
Thoughts on President Biden pardoning his son Hunter Biden?


So I answered this prior under someone else so I’m just going to copy & paste the same thing since it covers all the bases, sorry.
Honestly, if it were anyone else’s child we would have bias and give in too. The only difference about this is President Biden being abundantly clear & consistent up to this point that he would uphold the jury’s decision and not get involved (which was admirable at the time) though apparently after seeing his son Hunter Biden at the family Thanksgiving Dinner, he caved according to those closest to him which I believe since the Statement of President Biden seemed “rushed” & “hastily” put together and just not good except the last phrase… Just seems like he was plucking at straws.
My Answer: No and not for what everyone on the Right or Left will tell you, I don’t like it because he could’ve had a bigger argument and make it about the criminal justice system as a whole. Everyone has a brother, son, father, mother, daughter, sister or somebody which imagine if they were found with drugs due to an addiction… Now imagine they find a gun while you have those illegal substances due to your addiction and they throw more sentencing charges on top of it just to put you in jail for a very long time. This reality affects Americans every damn day in the form of mandatory minimum sentences which I find a broken system where the rich get away while the poor suffer. I’d like prisoners who find themselves in mandatory minimum sentences to be treated like a Hunter Biden not like a Prisoner with no label, no rights, and no due process…. Americans deserve better and for that I feel the President failed though he is a good father I have to draw the line that he should’ve stayed out of it & should’ve made this about mandatory minimum sentences.
I don’t care about sides, I care about truth & transparency. I’m being truthful to my values and transparent about my stance since I’m an American who loves his country. If it were me I would cave in and pardon too though make this about the American people not my son. Thank you! God Bless America!
Summary: I hate mandatory minimum sentences and wished President Biden stepped up for all families / citizens affected, I hate Biden’s inconsistency / not being a man of his word, and I hate a guilty Hunter Biden getting away with it (like how I hate guilty Donald Trump getting away with it)
He is a lying SOB!!! When he is done pardoning his whole family the next will PARDON ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS in this country
Complete Indulgence was the reason why Christianity split under influence of Martin Luther. Usually King had a right to mercy. However to grant mercy a culprit needs to be sentenced and prosecuted beforehand. Indulgence grants complete immunity against the prosecution, for committed crimes and sometimes for crimes someone will commit in the future. Such behavior is completely amoral and against rules of healthy democratic society, but US is a banana republic and Biden proved this again.
anyone else but Biden's son would've faced no prison time.
I should Have known He'd pardon Two Turkeys this year. lol!!! xxxxxxx
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Corrupt president pardoning a corrupt son. What an absolute embarrassment!
@msc545 Remember this?
https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?si=soU3Z8dcb5c8Qkqu
Okay. Find one that says Biden didn’t get the Ukrainian prosecutor fired.
@DARKCLOUD1945X Do you have evidence of this? This is the first I have heard of it.
Google “Biden fire prosecutor”
To be completely fair, were I in Biden's position, I'd do the same. I mean, he's almost out of office, has no fucks to give, already has one foot in the grave so no worries about continuing to build a legacy or career.
That and he likely already forgot that he pardoned hunter and is now wondering where's his ice cream.
I'm conflicted. It was suspect how the plea bargsin fell apart BUT it did so then a new MUCH shittier deal was offered and like 92% of criminal indictments he pleaded guilty. So far I'm just miffed over the political nature of the prosecution because his name is Biden BUT HE DID THE CRIMES - there's no spinning that - it's now only a matter of what is justice?
Now, the pardon. I'm conflicted. The purpose is to right injustices and this was one. Thanks to POTUSs like Slick Willy and others there's precedent too unfortunately. That said justice is NOT served by the pardon because now he's off Scott free. Justice is somewhere in the middle.
The optics are TERRIBLE! MAGAs are gonna bellow that he pardoned him in a blanket manner to cover up his own (fantasy inspired) crimes. It adds to a really shitty precedent. It gives MAGA the (accurate) opportunity to say Joe is a liar for backtracking.
I would favor a future facing commutation after he's done some time but that's not an option. Like I said, I'm conflicted. 🤷🏻♂️⚖️
The optics are terrible because it is plainly accepted political corruption.
Rule for thee not me.
I'm not surprised or outraged, he was a bad president and always politically corrupt and he'll leave office with that at the forefront of everyone's mind. It's exactly how I expected him to act.
The definition of a pardon is forgiving someone of a crime; either before or after the conviction.
OK, then before Biden starts handing out pardons like candy, he owes it to the American public to tell us about the crimes they did.
Fauci?
Liz Cheney?
And on and on...
WHY NOT! LOL We are such a fucking joke around the world right now and you've just got to laugh it off or spend your days crying it is so sad. If I had one wish that would be granted it would be for all computers and all phones past the days of the RAZR flip phone and people would have to start being nice to everyone.
@coachTanthony Everyone knew the dirt bag was going to do it EVEN after saying he would not. Honestly, Coach, I don't think there was any doubt about that happening. - "Selectively and unfairly being prosecuted" - and yet... President Trump is a 'convicted felon" - so much bullshit from this man is enough to make one vomit!
Terrible, just the absolute worst.
@coachTanthony I just don't know how this Democratic administration can or could get any worse than this and stoop any lower after what the sons of bitches did to Donald Trump, with Bide's okay and pushing it... just another terrible International embarrassment with other countries seeing this happen, after he REPEATED said he would not... and WE ALL KNEW he was going to pardon the scum bag son.
First thought "how typically American". "No surprise". Most president pardon people in their inner circles before leaving office.
For me - the US justice system is crap and makes no freaking sense. Can't be trusted for the shits of it.
You Americano?
@paledreams no, which I'm forever grateful for.
Neither am I Americano - only good things about America are California aka Hollywood aka Pop Culture / foods like McDonald's they globalised globalization mmm
The globalised companies / brands America spread worldwide mmm 😋 that's the only good things about America and americano
Joe Biden was going to let the law take its course on Hunter. But Trump has made it clear he is going after anyone he doesn't like for "retribution". His "cabinet" is a Who's Who of criminal types who will do his bidding, no matter how illegal or unethical. Joe knows that Trump's hit squad will go after his family. It would be persecution, not a fair prosecution. A pardon is the only way that Hunter can avoid that.
I think you should also note that the crimes his son was being charged with were crimes that are normally added onto other crimes, and not by themselves, even for normal citizens. In other words, this was a political attack against his family, and that should be taken into consideration. Also, Trump has pardoned much worse, so who even cares.
The part that truly sucks is that if it was my son he would still be in prison so Joe better give him a timeout and no Coke for a week or Joe knows well I'm going to do this for you but remember I can do it today but when I'm gone you get in trouble they're going to hang your ass. I'm going to be honest
Even though it's wrong if I was in the same position and my son it happened to him I would do the same thing
Those in power and their families need to be held to a higher standard so I'm against such things. But he's probably thinking fuck it I'm hated anyway and the country doesn't care about Trumps criminality so what have I got to lose.
He's pardoning his son so that he isn't tried for things that normal citizens wouldn't be tried for. The entire court process was an attack on Biden. Even most Republicans realize this.
He was not going to pardon him till Trump won the election, and Trump has made it clear he will go after anyone he does not like as "retribution". The way he can hurt Joe is by going after Hunter, so Joe did the only thing he could to protect his son from Trump's immoral and unethical attacks.
That's a good point.
@NimbleOcelot He's pardoning his son so that he isn't tried for things that normal citizens wouldn't be tried for.
You mean, the way Trump was treated for the last 4 years? Such as being prosecuted for giving his own properties too high of a valuation (even though the contract advised the bank to do their own, independent valuation, which they did) for a loan that a bank willingly gave, and that was paid back on time? A completely common occurrence that has been happening in NYC for a hundred years and that no other person in history has ever been prosecuted for? That kind of weaponized prosecution? Ahh. Yeah, we wouldn't want THAT, would we?
@MrOracle Jan 6? Stealing and mishandling national security documents? Trying to overturn the election in Georgia?
Those only didn't come to trial because of a corrupt judiciary that delayed proceedings on Trump's behalf, when they should have recused because they owed their current and potential future positions to him.
@MrOracle The stuff Trump was charged with is stuff that would have thrown a normal person in jail many times over. In fact, many people did go to jail for January 6th, unlike Trump. If anything, this proves Trump and his cronies put him above the law. In fact, they even made it a law now that he is.
@NimbleOcelot Trump did NOTHING to cause Jan 6, aside from certain politicians twisting his words like a pretzel and even then the result is a LONG stretch to something that could be remotely like "inciting" anything. Most of the rest was 100% fabrication. And that's exactly why they didn't even charge him - there was literally no grounds to do so. That's why they "tried him in the press" instead of trying to do it in court - there's no rules or limits in the press.
If they could have even POSSIBLY gotten something to stick about Jan 6, they'd have had him charged and tried immediately - but they didn't have anything. Which is why you have no evidence to offer - there isn't any. At best, you can offer what can only kindly be called "interpretations" by people suffering from severe TDS, and nothing from Trump himself.
You also had a crowd full of FBI and likely other operatives, and you had requests for more security for the capital by Trump repeatedly denied. Finally, there were the constant lies for the first week that the crowd had killed capital police officers, which did not happen. By the time the truth came out, hundreds of millions of people already believed it was true, and never heard the retraction. None of this was an accident. Unfortunately, they were unable to pin any of this on Trump except in the press, as desperately as they wanted to get something that would hold up in court.
@MrOracle apnews.com/.../capitol-riot-fact-check-trump-biden-rioters-0b3406e02c86bd057e15c9d8c16ccd51
Bullshit. You are trusting Trump's lies. There's plenty of evidence contrary to everything you just said if you actually attempted to search for it.
Very bad. Biden said he wouldn't do it and then did it anyway... Nepotism. That doesn't make people trust him. If it was some other person, not his son, Joe wouldn't have pardoned him.
If it were some other person they wouldn't have been convicted. See @Red_Arrow's opinion.
Not unexpected. But anything he does or doesn't do is not exempt. That includes being subpoenaed testifying against Joe. Joe will spend the rest of his life in court. And the reformed IRS will investigate his finances. But maybe he will pardon himself before Jan 20.
Hey if Trump will pardon himself. Why can't Biden pardon his son
Because he lied in front of the world and said he wouldn't.
Trump lies all the time. So what's the difference.
What is this question about?
"Thanks dad!", best Christmas present a boy could want.
Must be nice to have such powers...
See, the fake news media forgets the lies they told us like any other liar that forgets their own lies.
Not everybody can avoid their legal responsibilities by running for president, ya know.
Do we honestly think DJT wouldn’t do the same? The problem is it has been so politicized, with Hunter being treated much harsher than others in similar circumstances. I don’t like it. But I get it.
Considering that Biden's sole messege when running for president was restoring the trust in government and institutions, this is kinda popping a bubble.
I personally don't mind it, the president has a right to pardon whoever he wants to, but if Democrats despised Trump for pardoning the father of his son-in-law, then supporting Biden's pardon makes you as bad as the person you claim to despise.
The minute he promised he wouldn't, I knew he would.
What would happen if it was an average citizen of the USA. Why can't we be pardoned when we make mistakes and end up in jail? Why do those in power get away with everything?
It is called nepotism, and it is considered a highly unethical and corrupt practice. It just proves further than Xiden is corrupt.
After the pardon of general flynn (by trump) and not a PEEP out of the right, they have zero, absolutely zero, right to complain. IDGAF, really. Neither should anyone else, we got much bigger problems on the way.
I said months ago that was the price of him stepping down as the democratic nominee. I think the deal was he'd step down if Kamala pardoned hunter so as to keep his legacy intact. But since this never came to fruition he was forced to renege on his promise not to pardon Hunter.
I don't care. Why wouldn't he? I expect all the democrats to be pissed off as they don't go for that.
No reason not to, was there? I mean its not like he'll ever get reelected and it won't hurt the party because people have short memories so "here you go son."
Its BS we all know it, but such is politics.
Wait, didn’t the libs spend 4 years telling us Hunter didn’t commit any crimes? Why would he have to be pardoned?
Nope. Hunter Biden was convicted of three felony charges related to the purchase of a revolver in 2018 when, prosecutors argued, the president’s son lied on a mandatory gun-purchase form by saying he was not illegally using or addicted to drugs. President Joe Biden said in a statement issued shortly after the verdict that he would accept the outcome and “continue to respect the judicial process as Hunter considers an appeal.” That is just the opposite of the lie that "the libs spend 4 years telling us Hunter didn’t commit any crimes".
apnews.com/.../hunter-biden-gun-trial-federal-charges-delaware-5dd8a9380235c6360a1ddb691ef24a06
@Red_Arrow so much for accepting the outcome. Lol. This is hilarious watching you morons spin this.
@Red_Arrow he pardoned his son for any crimes for 10 years. And lied repeatedly that he wouldn’t pardon hunter. That’s not accepting the legal process. So yeah.
The only reason he pardoned his son was because Trump has made it clear he will bring "retribution" on anyone he dislikes. The cabinet he has chosen is made up mostly of immoral asses guilty of many crimes themselves. Remember how quickly Matt Gaetz withdrew to avoid evidence of his sexual crimes being made made public? Trump was going after Hunter Biden to bring retribution against Joe Biden. I became necessary for Joe to issue that pardon.
@Red_Arrow bahahahaaha... are you dizzy from that spin? He was going after Hunter because of Hunter's numerous crimes that his dad said he would not pardon him for several times.
Maybe if you multiplied his crimes by a thousand you would reach the numbers that Trump and his followers have each committed. His cabinet picks are unbelievably corrupt. And no spin on my part. But you should read your own BS. I am done communicating with you. I prefer intelligent people.
@Red_Arrow the whataboutism is strong with this one. You’re a lefty, there’s no intellligence to be found.
Is a pardon not just an admission of guilt? 🤔🤔
Not surprising. He said he would never do it, and yet he did. He's a corrupt president in a corrupt political party.
he's not pardoning him because he's his own blood. he's pardoning him because he know his business with China, Ukraine and all those other countries the Biden's have done with won't do so well without his son aka right hand man
Not surprised. No president or world leader will allow their child to sit in prison if they have the power to do so.
It's corruption but it's the way life is.
Rules are you for and I to follow, not for them at the top.
But normal citizens wouldn't even be tried for the crimes they are trying to charge his son with.
@NimbleOcelot: Go ahead and commit the same crimes he did and see how it goes for you.
eh, let it be one of Joe's last show of love for his son. most of his crimes wouldn't have gotten such a harsh sentence were he anyone else. now that Trump has returned, Hunter was not gonna be treated fairly.
No accountability…. makes the democrats look worse.
How many people in Trump's friend group has Trump pardoned now for actual crimes? And not for crimes that aren't normally charged with alone?
@NimbleOcelot hey man no disagreement here. I’m actually left leaning. But just because someone else does something doesn’t make it right.
It's his son, he's a father 🤷♀️
If it wasn't about politics it would be normal
Just another lie coming to light. Plus Joey had to protect himself. So Hunter wouldn’t role over on him!
It was to be expected. We all know he puts family before country
Why not? Trump got away with 34 felony convictions with no punishments.
Both need to be in prison same with Trump and his sons. Both families are evil and hate the United States
my respect for biden 📉
He has that power so I can understand it.
Typical white guy in power. I have seen this more than once.
Did he actually do that or is it still just being talked about by the talking heads?
Oh dang; he actually did it. Just heard it on the news. I am not surprised by the pardon; I am just surprised by the timing. I am also a little surprised that it was Biden. I was thinking that Biden would have stepped down by now; and Kamala would have granted it. Or a pardon for a pardon; where Biden pardons Trump and Trump pardons Hunter.
No, they didn't. What "everyone already knew" was that no-one was above the law, but that presidents have leeway from their successors when it comes to acts in the interests of the country (like you or I get 5-10 mph leeway on speeding).
What they did was delay the trials until there was no justice, and Cannon dismissed an open-and-shut case she'd already been reprimanded for exceeding her authority to delay. She never said Trump wasn't guilty as hell, by the way.
SCOTUS ruled that presidential immunity is limited to official acts. That it doesn't extend to unofficial acts. Which is what everyone already knew. The trials against Trump were purely political and an attempt to keep him out of office. Which is why they waited until after he announced that he was running before charging him with anything. If they really thought he was guilty of everything they charged him with then they would have been able to bring some of the cases to trial before the primary. The only convictions they managed to get against Trump required the judge to tell the jury to not worry about the felony Trump committed and also broke up the jury into three groups to decide on three aspects of the charges independently. Instead of deciding on all aspects of the charges together like a jury has done in every other court case ever decided by a jury.
Guess who gets to decide what acts are "official"? Regardless, the trials against Trump were absolutely not "purely political"; he really did steal government national security documents and mishandle them. He really did unlawfully try to get the election in Georgia overturned, and he really did unlawfully try to steal the election in the lead up to Jan 6.
The DoJ was timid and stupid. Trump could have simply stayed quiet and got away with the crimes, but he chose to run for office and that forced the DoJ to appoint a special counsel to continue the investigations and he wasn't so timid.
The indictments could have and should have gone to trial in weeks or a a few months, not been delayed by Trump appointed judges and "justices".
And you've totally misunderstood what happened in the NY trial; the jury was unanimous on every count.
The president is allowed to declassify any document. Plus every president has kept documents from their presidency. Did Al Gore unlawfully try to get the Florida election overturned in 2000? Questioning election results is not illegal; the Democrats have been doing it for years over several elections. Should Stacy Abrams be arrested for trying to get the Georgia gubernatorial election overturned?
Are you talking about the judges and prosecutors that ran on putting Trump in jail, or met with the Biden administration before filling charges, or stepped down from their cushy federal job to take a job at the local level so that they could bring charges against Trump?
As for the New York trial, you mean all 37 counts of writing a check? All of which were agreed upon legal payments. Something that is only illegal if it is part of a felony. Which the prosecutor never had a clue, which he publicly stated, what the felony was.
He's on tape saying he could have declassified the national security document he was showing some random people, but didn't. Why don't you know this?
Filing frivolous lawsuits is illegal. Gore didn't, Trump did. Why don't you know this?
34 counts of falsifying business records to cover up a crime, which is a felony and for which the jury unanimously found Trump guilty on all 34 counts. Why don't you know this?
That isn't what he said on tape.
So what makes it a frivolous lawsuit? The fact that he lost? Because Gore lost his lawsuit too. It was a close election and anyone has the right to challenge the results. Just because the courts declined to proceed with the case doesn't make it frivolous.
What was the crime that was covered up? Nobody knows, because there wasn't one. The judge doesn't know, the prosecutor doesn't know, the jury doesn't know, the media doesn't know, Trump doesn't know, but apparently you know? Some random guy who posts stuff online.
You know what, I didn't vote for Trump in 2016; nor did I vote for him in 2020. I wasn't planning on voting for him in 2024. But it was people like you that drove me to vote for him. This question was about Hunter Biden getting a pardon, a blanket pardon for ten years covering all the crimes he committed known and unknown. Yet you can't shut up about Trump for 1 minute to discuss that issue. Yes I know I mentioned him in my comment; but it was a passing mention of the possibility of Trump granting Hunter a pardon when he came in to office (a totally moot point now). Yet here you are blabbing on and on and on about how Trump should be in jail. Well he isn't and he's not going to be. Instead he's going back to the White House. And you, yes you, are the reason I voted for him. Let that sink in. Bask in all of its wonderful glory for the next four years. Because you created the impetus for it. Your username is very apt, as you have been goading people to vote for Trump.
So you did know, but lie about it. It literally is what he said. There's no point in trying to discuss anything with someone who will deny reality like that.
"“This was done by the military and given to me,” Trump continues, before noting that the document remained classified.
“See as president I could have declassified it,” Trump says. “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”"
edition.cnn.com/.../index.html
www.cnn.com/.../20230626-trump_audio.mp3
Congratulations you finally got something that I miss remembered. What did you win, me not caring anymore. Again this question was about Hunter Biden and not Donald F-ing Trump. And yet you couldn't spend 5 seconds talking about Hunter; once during this exchange. It is just Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump with you, and I am done. You have pushed it too far with me; and I am done with you. Goodbye.
I am not surprised. Joe lies every time his lips move...
Corrupt and a felon? Who avoided jail time? He would fit right in at the head of government
Was Michelle Obama involved? 😮
I was a little surprised
As a father I don't blame him and expected this.
Perfectly natural use of power
That was predictable.
It's very inappropriate
He had to do it or kill him to keep his secrets
Don't care
Biden shows again he a liar
Typical of two faced Biden.
Lying piece of shit
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