Do you agree with Trump's revoking Biden's Security Clearance?

[AviatorTom]

US President Donald Trump revoked previous President Joe Biden's security clearance.

What do you think about this? Do you agree with it or not?

Please vote in the poll.

AGREE

DISAGREE

Something ELSE - please tell

[MisterWack]

Why do I disagree?

That means during President Bush Jr’s administration he could’ve cancelled President Clinton’s, during President Obama’s administration he could’ve cancelled President Bush Jr’s…. Also President Biden could’ve rejected President Trump’s.

I believe all US Presidents deserve security clearance, they served this country under the US Constitution and deserve nonpartisan agents swearing to protect them & rest their lives for the security of them.

Presidents are public servants and are high profile officials, also controversial at times so to allow them to be a walking target with no protection goes against everything this country stands for. Trump deserved security protection from 2020-2025 as former President (now current President) and if Biden rejected it (or Kamala Harris if she had won) I would be strongly against it and am in this hypothetical.

Bottomline, we can talk about making government smaller & more efficient though taking away security from our public servants isn’t going to make the government more efficient compared to the billions wasted overseas on ‘War On Terror’ & 3.7 cents per penny and not working to pay back the deficit we owe other countries, adding to the debt isn’t going to help anything. Little security clearance doesn’t affect it as much as these key issues.

[MisterWack]

*If this was done during Biden’s Administration “against” Trump, it would be a planned targeted ploy to put Trump in a vulnerable spot…. When Trump’s Administration does it against Biden, it is a government efficiency concern. How about say it sucks and is bad, don’t play political tug of war.

[BCA6010]

Eh...

The overarching problem here is that Biden set this precedent himself. I personally don't see any reason why a former president should continue to be privy to anything that happens after he leaves office anyway, but Trump's reasoning appears to be entirely because Joe did the same thing to him four years ago, almost to the day. There are many, in my opinion better reasons (namely his verifiable history of selling out to foreign countries, cognitive decline, compromised status due to his son's affairs, corruption, etc), but Trump publicly went with the pettiest rationale, I suspect for legal reasons/convenience.

TLDR: I don't think former presidents who aren't actively employed in a relevant role need to be receiving security briefings or maintaining a secret clearance of any kind anyway, and I'm not against this becoming the new precedent going forward.

[Screenwriter]

Biden revoked Trump's clearance all those years ago. So it's tit for tat, isn't it. And does it matter? What does he need it for if he's no longer president? To be called to the White House as a presidential consultant? Do Bush or Obama still have their security clearances? And again, what do they need them for?

As long as Biden has his security detail, I'd think that's all he needs after retiring from the presidency and creating his presidential library. And if for some reason his actually needed one to aid Trump in some capacity, I'm sure it could be reinstated.

It's just trump being the vindictive poo he's always been.

[katiesmuff]

I honestly don't see any reason why Biden would need that clearance as his days are done he could serve no useful purpose (pretty much the same as the last 4 years) and the last thing we need is two men one Mentally Ill and Evil the other with Dementia.

[DryGermanGuy]

Biden is already an elder statesman, so if he were to travel in any sort of (semi-) diplomatic function, he could use access to that information. Of course I don't know if he even has any such plans.

[OlderAndWiser]

He had secret documents in his garage 10 years ago, and now the man is incompetent. He doesn't need access to anything except a box of Depends.

[Twalli]

Trump isn't exactly a spring chicken; he probably uses them too.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Twalli Trump is not incompetent, and he is the President.

[msc545]

@OlderAndWiser Arguably he is incompetent as demonstrated by his terrible judgment and very impaired impulse control. Not GD by the standards I use, but damn close.

[msc545]

@OlderAndWiser Trump took documents has was not entitled to, shared secrets with random people, and refused to return them when asked to by the government.

Should he have a secret clearance?

[Amy10223]

@msc545 yes msc545! I can’t stand it when folks think Biden is so incompetent. Someone in the Quora website asked people to guess what the IQs for Trump Bidend and Obama were. I gave a good guess and many people commented on what I wrote. My guesses were Biden, 128-130; Obama 130 and Trump 95.
A psychologist commented and said I was about right with all. To folks that said Trump was 130, he said Trump was no where near that. And yet here we have people who think he’s so good. Geez. It’s a cult for sure.

[Amy10223]

Mind you I took into consideration many factors and my own experience with reading psychological reports of kids I had in school. They were special ed and were tested. To me with the way he talks, expresses himself, fumbles words and so on , with the vocab of a 6th grader, that’s how I came up with his score.

[msc545]

I'm a psychologist and I don't think you're far off, although I would give Obama about a 140 and Trump about 90.

[Amy10223]

@msc545 Yes. I was being generous. I said Biden was between 128 to 130. 130 is actually high, which is why I thought Obama, with how well he did in school, probably has that range.
Nice profession by the way.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Amy10223 @msc545 Your political bias is showing. Disagreement with someone's political views does not mean that they are stupid and you are smart; failure to acknowledge your bias reflects on you.

Donald Trump graduated from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania in 1968, with a Bachelor of Science degree in economics and anthropology. You don't do that with a subpar IQ. You don't even get accepted into such schools unless you are substantially above average.

[msc545]

You do get accepted into such schools if your father is very rich as Donald Trump's was. We don't really know what kind of performance Donald Trump had at Wharton but I will concede that he could not have been all that intellectually impaired to even graduate from such a school. That being said, I would also suggest to you that mental illness has been proven to cause a substantial decline in IQ over time and I think in the case of Donald Trump, that is exactly what has happened. Additionally, he is also 78 years old and that too would have an effect on his intellectual capacity. Most importantly, I believe that his mental condition and subsequent behavior masks any critical thinking that he might be able to do. These are not political statements but simply statements of what I believe to be true based on what I have seen and heard of over these years.

[msc545]

If you think I am wrong in any of these assertions, I would appreciate you saying so without invoking the rubric of political biases you have done previously. There is no need for that and that is not the motivation for my commentary. Even if Trump were a Democrat. My commentary would not change because the evidence that supports it would be the same.

[msc545]

I would also remind you that my IQ estimate of 90 for Trump at this time actually falls in the average range and is not a so-called subpar IQ as you seem to believe.

[Amy10223]

OlderAndWiser, That's a laugh. Did you know that his PA economics university professor, William Kelly, has said that Trump was "... the most GODDAM stupidest student" he ever had? This was him talking to another professor. And, this professor had excellent students, unlike Trump, who he said was always absent, late, and expected to be treated better than the rest. He would say the stupidest things about economics. No wonder he was bankrupt 6 times. I do trust that two psychologists---one here, and one in Quora, mentioned Trump is no where near 130 IQ. And I believe it too. He is like maybe, 90. You seem to forget also that Trump pays for everything done for him, including getting into Wharton in the first place.

[msc545]

@amy10223 thank you

[msc545]

@ older and wiser it would be interesting to know what Trump's grade point average was at Wharton. All he seems to have is an undergraduate degree and for an undergraduate degree all you need is a c average. A graduate degree is tougher.

[Amy10223]

@msc545 THIS! ^ incompetent by his terrible judgement and impaired impulse control.

[msc545]

Yes, those problems alone tend to override and supersede any imputed average or better intelligence.

[msc545]

The decisions that emanate from such a person tend to be very impulsive and poorly considered and of very reduced quality. This is not the product of reduced intelligence but rather the product of hastiness and an inability to consider consequences and the impulsivity that I have spoken of.

[throwmeaway1111]

That doesn't mean shit other than the fact that a bunch of dumbasses chose to vote him again despite the fact that he fucked us all over.

[msc545]

Oh sure! This is such an impressively uninformed response...

[msc545]

I see why you chose the screen name you chose. We were having a serious discussion here and you chime in with this? Get some sleep please.

[OlderAndWiser]

@msc545 That was not my response! I'm not the idiot, and I've had enough of yout triggered sanctimonious BS.

[Amy10223]

I don’t think msc545 was addressing you. He was responding to throwmeaway1111. However everything these two gentlemen and I have said are not BS as you claim. These are just facts.

[Amy10223]

And yes, I totally disagree with Trump’s political views, and I think he is also not an intelligent person. Those are two separate opinions. They don’t go hand in hand.

[Twalli]

@Amy10223 so true. I disagreed with Bush's ideas and he is actually intelligent. He only spoke that way because he decided to talk like the person you'd invite to your barbecue. If you listen to his interviews now he's very well spoken. Maybe Trump is, but I have serious doubts based on those who knew him before politics saying he still talks in the same way he did then.

[Amy10223]

@Twalli I did too, feel the same way about Bush. I didn't like him at all at first, but he turned out to be a pretty normal, reasonable president. About Trump, he is just not well mentally, that's my opinion based on what he does. I personally know a lady in PA, who actually met him when he was campaigning before 2016. She is deaf herself, and I don't remember exactly how the two got to talk, she was with another person, and she told me that he is not a good person, not a good candidate as a president.

[Twalli]

@Amy10223 in "Fire and Fury", nobody in Trump's team except for Bannon thought Trump should be president or would be. This was 2016. Trump only ran to gain publicity for a TV channel he was planning on starting.

[AnonAndrew]

Well, Biden did the same thing to Trump four years ago, so I'm guessing it's an act of revenge?

Personally I don't see why any president should have a security clearance after they leave office. They're no longer on the job, so they shouldn't need it.

[throwmeaway1111]

I heavily disagree with it but at the same time I dont think its necessary for former presidents to have clearance unless they were to go serve some role that required it after leaving office. Trump is obviously a child and did it out of an act of revenge. Biden had a good reason for revoking Trumps access and anyone with a brain could see and understand that.

[SingleGuy101]

Biden abused his power in office to try to "imprison" Trump. The witch hunt that went on for 4 years is a valid reason for revoking his security clearence. Barak O Bama had more respect for the office of President and I am sure will retain his. But Biden spent most of his time in office trying to defeat Trump in a corrupt way.

[Anonymous]

Given Biden's medical condition making him incapable of being an adviser, history of carelessness with classified information, and the fact that he did it to Trump. It doesn't seem unfair.

[FunkyMonkee]

Joe IS a criminal! Why should HE have a security clearance? Besides, he didn't have one when he stole those truckloads of top secret documents he wasn't allowed to have so, he won't need the clearance, anyway.

[throwmeaway1111]

That was Trump that took documents that he shouldn't have... Trump is also a felon, Biden isn't...

[FunkyMonkee]

@throwmeaway1111 ABSOLUTELY NOT!! TRUMP had EVERY RIGHT to take them! He was a PRESIDENT!! When JOE took them, he was NOT a president, therefore, he was NOT allowed to take them, but, he did, anyway!!
Trump is ONLY a felon to the loonies on the left!! Joe committed quite a few crimes!! BUT, they wouldn't even put him on trial for them because he was too feeble and weak-minded!! BUT HE WAS OKAY TO RUN THE COUNTRY!!

[overlord337645]

im sorry but this is kind of like a screw you lets face it we all know bideon is not well liked by trump or republicans and thats fine but that does not mean you gotta drop a nuke to iradicate him and ik that did not actually happen but you get my point this is like the nuclear option why because we dont like him do you got evidence well uhh we dont like him and he supposedly did x y and z oh well in that case might as well lock up trump to he supposedly did a through z

[DrPepper12]

When you're raided by the FBI, indicted based on that seized evidence and only not on trial cuz of a 50 year old advisory memo from DoJ then yes, it's prudent to forbid further national security risks with a known careless & compromised risk.

Trump was deliberate. Biden was inadvertent. That's your difference.

[exitseven]

This makes sense. Biden's influence peddling business has just dried up so he will need some way to make some real money Selling secrets to the Chinese could be very lucrative.

[purplepoppy]

Do all ex presidents have security clearance? If it's standard protocol to let them keep it then questions need to be asked why not Biden.

[Ironco]

They used to be that way, Poppy, but Biden took it away from Trump in 2021. Now Trump is taking it away from Biden.
Personally, Biden just needs to go in a home and just eat ice cream.

[OneViewpoint]

Yes, they retain some security clearance. The thought was that there's a very small brotherhood of ex presidents and they could be available for collegial discussions with a sitting president if they have knowledge of a certain subject in certain situations.

However we all know that tRump is smarter than all the generals. He knows more about science that all the nobel laureates. And he's tougher than all the cops. That moron would never ask for advice from anyone. He is so stupid that he is incapable of understanding just how stupid he is.

[Danzigdawson]

What a fucking toddler trump is. It's not like Biden had no reason to take it away from that criminal fat fuck.

[throwmeaway1111]

@OneViewpoint Trump isn't smarter than anyone except for simple minded people like you. He had documents that he kept that he shouldn't have after his last presidency. Not to mention the fact that he was probably giving private information away to Russia. Trump should've never been president in the first place. He makes us all look dumber than a box of rocks.

[dustybiker2]

I could be wrong, but I believe ex presidents have power to still stand up to current presidents. This is why trump is attempting to stick a condom on Biden as too many people are noticing their very public and questionable chess moves. He doesn't want a power player cutting his ankle from behind.

[loveslongnails]

Right, because Biden is a security risk, but Ivanka, Kushner, Hegseth, RFK Jr, and Steven Miller are not, right? Trump is an impudent child being led around by Project 2025 behind, and sometimes in front of, the scene. America is the laughingstock of countries around the world, as Trump is even MORE incompetent now than his first term and lying virtually EVERY time he speaks. Only fools and fascists can't see this.

No, I don't agree with it.

[genericname85]

well why would a former president still have security clearance? they have no business having that clearance. cause it can and it will be used for nefarious purposes. don't think for one second that any of the people who were in that office ever were "decent people" who wouldn't exploit such powers.

[Dargil]

Biden having one was a threat to national security.

[Dargil]

I'm hoping he doesn't forget Eric H. Holder Jr.

[Kelley1]

As a private retired citizen, Joe Biden doesn't need a security clearance.

[KostasKouvalis]

Considering his cognitive state and the fact that Democrats wanted to revoke Trump's secret service, I think this is a good decision

[Twalli]

I know why he did this, but he shouldn't have. He did it because he has the emotional maturity of a grade schooler. World leaders can get exactly what they want for him as long as he can say he won. He can lose a war and accept it if they let him say he won. This isn't how an adult should act.

[Anonymous]

I really don't see why Biden would need it. So no I don't think it's wrong. But I don't think there is a soul in thier hearts that truly believes that it was really done for safety reasons. It's retribution for the jan. 6th hearings.

[Syntosi]

I dont particularly care. It is just a sign of how petty and small Donald Trump is that he feels the need to lash out in the most pathetic sort of ways to the people who he feels have slighted him.

[RavVid]

Well not American. Usually though if your employment terminates your security clearances are terminated.

Is it normal for a past President to have security clearances without a role to perform?

[NatalieKeller95]

he should revoke nancy pelosi's security clearance next

[Massageman]

Not needed since he is no longer in a "security required" position.

[OneViewpoint]

A pointless meaningless gesture by a vengeful geriatric man-baby with several personality disorders. But very true to his way of interacting with other people.

[AyChingao]

Can't see why it should be an issue really, it was pretty much traditional until Trump was denied access after his first term so I get it... It's all a big pissing match though isn't it.

[chrissykerdock]

well he did bring drugs into the white house

[D_Bone_Steak]

I'm not tired of all this winning yet. Every day has been feeling glorious. I voted agree... I mean... why not? This is funny af.

[goaded]

Petty nonsense. There's actual evidence Trump showed national security classified documents to people with no clearance.

[Anonymous]

Yes, I agree firmly with his decision to do so.

[Spencer10]

This is just silly and childish... very unbecoming of a President. But I am not surprised.

[jshm2]

It's irrelevant as Biden isn't in government.

[Jerre]

Biden doesn’t need a security clearance anymore. He probably doesn’t understand anything anymore. Trump doing to Biden what Biden did to Trump in 2021

[Staximus]

He is no longer the president, what does he need a security clearance for?

[Iron_Man]

Well it depends what exactly was he trying to do with his security Clarence now that he’s not the president

[msc545]

No, I don't agree. Trump has no sense of decency. He is certainly not a gentleman. He is nothing more than a petty and vengeful asshole.

[lightbulb27]

yes, doesn't need them anymore.

[Anonymous]

if he's "too unfit to stand trial for his crimes" (according to dem liberal Trump-haters), then he's definitely too unfit to hold any type of government security clearance.

[shortster]

Considering Biden's failing mental health it is necessary on that alone.

[noohair]

Anything that keeps Hunter away, works for me...

[Max3205]

It doesn't really matter because if you take away his security clearance he won't even know.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Another spiteful Trump act in a veritable sea of them.

[IamRight]

Yeah I agree with it.

[Bklynbadboy12]

Why does he need it he's not the president anymore

[HungTexan]

Who cares. Biden is senile anyway!

[Dongie]

Yes. Naturally.

[Dongie]

That's what you do when you're about to have a traitor indicted.

[MikeRJ]

What is his reasoning for doing so?

[AviatorTom]

Per the video, there see to be two reasons:
1. Biden removed Trump's ability to see classified documents when Biden took office, and
2. Biden's memory and senility concerns.

[MikeRJ]

So, essentially for revenge?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Agree. No former president needs it anyways.

[dustybiker2]

Childish

[jimmy2]

Yes I does not have a brain

[Anonymous]

Holy shit yes. How is this a question?