Do you think identity politics has got anything to with Marxism, or is it just the individualism of neoliberalism?

[Nikki1989]

I may have opened a can of worms with this one.

[Friendlybro79]

Hahaha this will open a can of worms for sure. It's such a good question and my gut instinct, which could be wrong, is individualism, as an American. That's my thought without deep thinking. We tend to talk in an individual responsibility aspect in everything. Not doing well. Well pull yourself up asshole and figure it out... Ha e a handicap... you're prob lying to just get freebees, you don't make enough money.. you're stupid and lazy..

On avg my gut tells me this in just my observations with fellow Americans. Def not all but probably half ish. We don't feel a sense of responsibility to each other and to try to help lift each other up as well as ourselves. We should focus on both those things and stop pretending if someone isn't doing as well as you that makes them dumb, lazy or entitled.

[Kaneki05]

Marx specifically wrote about how women and etc are repressed, but he also spoke of religion been bad seeing that as oppression which would mean he'd probably care a lot less on religious identity. So yeah and no. But also what idiot thinks Marx was wrong to say women are repressed when he wrote that in Victorian era when women couldn't even vote lol.

If you bring up Marx I go by what he actually said, not what others pretend to know without bothering actual history. And I don't think many actually bother to know his views to in act their own belief whether liberal or conservative. So no... but yeah but no.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I would argue that identity politics is more closely related to capitalism than marxism due to capitalism having a very highly individualistic focus in society. Capitalism isn’t concerned about the whole, it’s concerned about you and what you do, what you make, and what you earn and how that affects the whole. The only relation marxism has to it is that it’s in direct opposition to capitalism.

[Grond21]

Identity politics is fundamentally about dividing people into groups that you judge the individuals based on what group they belong to. So the group identity comes first. Strictly speaking this is just another form of tribalism, which is as old as humanity. And always toxic. However, in its current incarnation, it's used to promote idea of oppressor versus oppressed between different identity groups, in order to pit them against each other for the sake of power and control. Which is very Marxist

[ProbablyClueless]

It's important to understand that identity politics isn't a new thing. It was a tactic used by colonizers to destablize local governments. We saw the europeans do it. The mongols did it. Alexander and Cyrus the Great (s) did it.

This latest iteration was instituted by bankers to destablise the occupy wall street movement.

It's only marxist in the sense that it's authoritarian

[loveslongnails]

Define identity politics please, and I have no idea what you mean by "neoliberalism". This sounds like a thesis? :)

[Nikki1989]

Neoliberalism is a political and economic philosophy that emphasizes free trade, deregulation, globalization, and a reduction in government spending.

[loveslongnails]

Are you sure about that? From what I've read and what scholars disagree on, it's just capitalist exploitation draped in reduced regulation and has absolutely nothing to do with government spending. It's all about privatization of capital. I usually like your insights, but this question is just jabberwocky to me.

[RavVid]

Everything to do with Marxism. In essence Marxism is one class being oppressed by another.

You can slot anything into the framework.

[shortster]

Political correctness is straight out of Marxism. Identity politics itself is a tool to devide us into groups that are trying to one up each other; in order to distract us from the abuses of power by the government.

[TwoToTooTutu2]

Identity politics existed before Marxism, but Marxism does incorporate Identity politics. So in that way they are related

[Thecubs22]

You sure did young lady! To answer your question. All I know is that my family fought and served for, this country, flag, and constitution. I don't know?

[Lottydotty]

I think its definitely there and being used as a tool to control votes.

[NathanDavis]

if I ever hate myself or life... I will dwell and dive into politics...

[Shiprex]

Not Marx and more to do with the ultimate inclusion of all types of people to allow no absolutes in terms of how one identifies oneself.

[Ladsin2]

Clearly is. Classical Marxism couldn't take root in the US because we don't have classes like much of the world did/ does. Thus it was transformed into a race ideology.

[Pohjolan]

Marxists saw it as one way to spread discohesion in Western countries but USSR collapsed before that bore fruit.

[Notherndude84]

I could have elements of all of them, it’s not a good thing for society

[Uglygaypoorcoward94]

divide and conquer unfortunately. A united peoples is hard to control

[DrPepper12]

No. They're incompatible tbh

[beefcakebradybatson]

MAGA is white identity politics.