How would you rank the last 5 US presidents?

[zagor]

Starting with Bill Clinton. In order, best at top, worst at bottom, with extra lines with dots indicating just how much better one was than the next on the list. My ranking:

Clinton

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Obama

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Biden

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G. W. Bush

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Trump

[LeatherDame]

Oh god they’re all awful…


Clinton is who messed up the inflation tracking tools/started fudging the numbers by substituting the basket goods for cheaper/lower quality goods to show inflation was slower than it actually was. Also during his time in office him and Biden passed/supported the legislation around crack vs cocaine and oversaw legislation that put almost 1/3rd of African American men behind bars for the same crimes that whites were committing at higher rates.


Bush is a war criminal and falsified evidence to justify an invasion of Iraq. Also the patriot act. Fuck that guy.


Obama was a lot of promises and even more backstabbing. Also a war criminal and expanded the patriot acts already overreaching power to allow the extra-judicial execution of American citizens via drone.


Biden was an asshole in the 80s and a geriatric sleepwalker who couldn’t spend 30 seconds unscripted because of his dementia. His election was a sad testimony to what either party had to offer for that election.


Trump is an idiot with minimal political clout or ability to use soft power so mostly fumbles and smashes things. I’m happy he is gutting the federal government but literally everything else about him is garbage.


Hopefully America will mature past the two party system eventually and have better options going forward, or at minimum hold the first real democratic primary in 12 years.

[DrPepper12]

Right on!

[zagor]

Yep. That is what the two-party system has given us.

But the reason crack was treated worse than powder was that crack dealers were shooting each other on street corners. Coke dealers used subtle pros when they killed each other.

[KostasKouvalis]

I'll rank them, but I'm not doing the dots, 'cuz that makes it too complicated

Clinton (even though I'm too young to remember his presidency, but from what I know about him, he seemed good. He's the only Democrat I like.

Trump

Bush Jr.

Obama

Biden

[DrPepper12]

Obama










Biden




Bush

























































Trump

[goaded]

Same order, but different distances. Biden, like it or not, got some serious bills passed that will (would, for the ones that Trump repeals) really help the common American, probably more than Obama.

[zagor]

But he also made some stupid decisions that pretty much gave us Donald Trump part 2.

The whole let's-let-everyone-in-and-release-them policy was a huge disaster. As was his refusal to acknowledge inflation. Among others. He has never been a smart man at any point in his life.

[goaded]

Trump won because lies and propaganda work, including calling the MSM fake news ("Lügenpresse", in the original 1930's German), having large parts of it taken over by billionaires who stopped them from telling the truth, and Twitter letting back in all the fascists that had been blocked.

There was no "let's-let-everyone-in-and-release-them policy", not even close. Biden negotiated with Mexico diplomatically so that they would "internally deport" people at Mexico's northern border to the south of the country (which is perfectly legal and didn't infringe anybody's human rights). Also, don't forget there was a bipartisan bill to increase deportations, speeding them up, reduce immigration and even outright close the border, until Trump called on the Republicans to scupper it.

Biden also acknowledged inflation, the right never acknowledged that it peaked in June '22, because propaganda. To hear them tell it there was constant inflation at unbelievable levels. Was Biden supposed to acknowledge their lies as truth?

[zagor]

No, Biden's solution was to raise wages, which DRIVES inflation. The minimum was long overdue for a raise, but not to the extent that some wanted.

If Biden didn't let a lot of people in, where did all those people in NYC and Chicago come from that are staying in subsidized hotels? He continued to discount the numbers. They refused to acknowledge that most people want reduced immigration, not more; here in California there is an acute housing shortage that is worsened by a large number of illegal immigrants, which particularly affects availability on the low end. The reason the GOP got away with exaggerations is the attempt by Biden to sidestep the issue to avoid offending the "activists".

[goaded]

Except that's not what happened, is it? But it's nice of you to admit Biden raised wages while also bringing down inflation.

[zagor]

It didn't help the election when Harris refused to acknowledge the mistakes of the Biden administration and literally said she couldn't think of anything she would have done differently.

[exitseven]

Donald Trump
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush
Barack Obama
Joe Biden.

[zagor]

Hmmm. Donald Trump, who hires his cabinet based on personal loyalty rather than any hint of qualification or knowledge...

Other than maybe Rubio, who in his cabinet has a clue about their new job?

[exitseven]

Biden hired his cabinet based on race, sexual preference or if they have a handicap. Trump hired qualified people who were outside the influence of the government. He hired the best and the brightest.

[zagor]

No, he made an attempt to do that his first term. When they proved willing to tell him when he was full of S, he made sure this time around he'd have a bunch of puppets willing to do his bidding. Except unelected, unapproved Musk, who intimidates him because he is richer and smarter, but who apparently misses his childhood apartheid days.

[exitseven]

He made lot of bad hires in his first term. He trusted a lot of the wrong people. He did not make that mistake this time.

[zagor]

No, he apparently feels he didn't hire enough sycophants in his first term. He is looking for blind adherence to his often random wishes.

I recall a lot of German generals were pushed into early retirement in the 1930's for similar reasons.

[exitseven]

Every one of Trumps hires are qualified and are outside the deep state.

[zagor]

Really? What are the qualifications of the new FBI director? RFK Jr?

[exitseven]

Kash Patel was special counsel on counter terrorism for the National Security Council and director of National Intelligence. He was a big part of Trump' s defense against the falsified charges by the FBI.

RFK Jr is the son of Robert F Kennedy.

[DrPepper12]

Ok that's two cabinet positions n one explanation. What about the other best n brightest?

[Dargil]

Number 47 has done the most good and number 44 has done the most harm.

[Anonymous]

George W. Bush / Barrack Obama / Donald Trump / Bill Clinton / Joe Biden