Ivermectin is STILL being taken by MAGA. Why does MAGA do this? Why the war on facts, experience & educated people? How to help them help themselves?

[DrPepper12]

Mr. Grinsteiner, 54, is a Trump supporter who lives in rural Michigan. He has claimed in his videos that ivermectin cured his skin cancer & his wife’s cervical cancer. In a video a woman told him her nonverbal autistic child had become verbal after using ivermectin. There is no evidence to suppor ivermectin to treat cancer or autism. Yet he believes that the medical and political establishments just want to keep average people from discovering the healing powers of a relatively affordable drug.

Indeed, ivermectin has become a sort of enduring pharmacological MAGA hat: a symbol of resistance to what some in the movement describe as an elitist and corrupt cabal of politicians, scientists and medical experts. While many of those experts fear that misinformation about ivermectin could lead to overdoses — or prompt people to reject proven treatments for Covid or other ailments — conservative lawmakers in a number of states are promoting legislation that would allow ivermectin to be sold without a prescription, often in the name of medical freedom.

Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders of Arkansas signed a law allowing ivermectin to be sold OTC. legislation is pending in Kentucky, West Virginia, Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama & Texas. Tennessee passed a law making it easier to get ivermectin from a pharmacist.

President Trump’s health secretary, RFK Jr., has embraced the idea that ivermectin can treat Covid. In 2021, RFK filed a petition with the FDA asking officials to de-authorize the Covid vaccine, arguing that ivermectin was more effective. Right-wing media, however, is full of advertisements for the drug; some ads describe it as an essential component of survivalist tool kits.

Two major figures in the MAGA movement — former Representative Matt Gaetz of Florida and Dan Bongino, the deputy director of the F. B. I., have promoted All Family Pharmacy, an online outfit that dispenses ivermectin with “a prescription from our licensed doctors.”

[Lliam]

RFK jr. is right. Doctors found Ivermectin and other treatments to be effective in combating covid.
But pharma giants and profiteers like Gates had to make sure that the experimental "gene therapy" mRNA jabs got emergency approval, which couldn't happen if there were any adequate, approved, and available alternatives.

They also built up the lie that covid was a deadly pandemic with no known treatments. They said catching covid meant certain death. And they made sure to document many, many deaths, even if many of those deaths had nothing to do with covid. Plus, they used one of the deadliest drugs on the market, Remdesivir, to murder people who were hospitalized with covid.

They spread propaganda about the dangers of Ivermectin. They demonized any doctors and medical experts who shared information about treating covid or the safety and efficacy of the mRNA jabs.

Then they made $billions by coercing people to take the mRNA jabs that turned out to not only be ineffective, but harmful and even deadly.

But people who won't believe anything unless they hear it on corporate media wouldn't know any of this stuff.

[DrPepper12]

Tell me more...

[Friendlybro79]

At this point I say give them a warning from the medical community, sign a waiver, and Let them take it. Let them deal with be consequences.

[Friendlybro79]

I also find it funny that so many anti vaxxers “know” someone that died of the covid vaccine. lol. In my circle of friends and family not one person that willingly got the vaccine can say they know someone that was proven to have died from the covid vaccine except hearing a usually right wing anti Vaxxer say they know a friends aunt or sister or mom etc lol.

I’m so sick of this crap. We’re proving our species doesn’t deserve this planet lol

[DrPepper12]

So right. Touch the stove. IDC.

[Friendlybro79]

Hahahaha

[Twalli]

The problem is that the reports of deaths are after the vaccine. If you get hit by a car and die, you died after the vaccine. So they don't confirm thst it is any linked to the chemical makeup of the vaccine.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Crazy Little Bobby at his nuttiest !!!

[Friendlybro79]

@Twalli what's the point. They don't believe that. They just say it's easy. Had a vaccine... died... has to be the vaccine.. committed suicide... vaccine made them do it... Plane crashed after the vaccine.. the 5G in the vaccine interfered with the planes GPS of course

[beefcakebradybatson]

And we won't have it long with climate change causing so many weather-related tragedies !!!

[FreyaRed]

Ivermectin could help against parasites maybe even against malaria if there is no better medication available. I don't think it helps against viruses or some imaginary alien material particles in mRNA vaccines. I guess when those people don't eat anti worm horse and cattle paste with apple aroma they smoke and eat bath salts.

[Anonymous]

It's not a war on facts, it's that "science" has been politicized so you can't trust the information that is released. We all found that out about the vaccine, which they have admitted to now.

[combative]

There are a number of studies that report on Ivermectin potential for cancer treatment. Anyone that can run a basic search on PubMed (generally anyone that has ever taken a science course in college) could find that. It's not exactly a secret that a number of scientists believe Ivermectin inhibits cancer cell viability and is a potential anti-tumour drug. Many investigations are ongoing in laboratories all over the world targeting various types of cancer. Many scientists have come to the conclusion that Ivermectin might be used in conjunction with other treatments methods when targeting cancer. So all you are telling us with this post is that you never took a science course in college and that you are extremely uneducated in general.

[Syntosi]

Even if you believe that Ivermectin has promise to become a drug to fight cancer, it was not developed for it. Furthermore, MAGA is taking it against Covid19 which is something completely different.

But sure, if you think that it will help against cancer then study it and develop a dosage, treatment and delivery system that would work against cancer. But the current ivermectin drugs on the market is not developed for this so they will not really work. That is just fact and its strange that I have to point it out to someone who brings up science courses in collage and accusing others of being uneducated.

[combative]

@Syntosi He mentioned Ivermectin for cancer treatment as if it was some crack conspiracy when in reality there is a lot of literature on the subject. The fact that you want to defend a liar says a lot about you.

[Syntosi]

Yes, the claims made by people who say that their cancer was cured by Ivermectin is pretty much 100% guaranteed to be liars. All of them. Just because Ivermectin could in theory be used to treat cancer does not mean it can do so mindlessly. The medication these people used is not developed to fight cancer AKA it is not optimized for it. Its not just going to magically work straight out of the box like that.

[DrPepper12]

@Syntosi @Combative
FELLAS!!! No need to fight!! Trump cut funding from the CDC & ag-colleges so we'll never know!!

[DrPepper12]

It's not some crack about cancer. It's a sourced nyt article

[14gurlz2gagonit]

Bro, if you catch Covid, just take it and it's taken care of. Your other option is to go through hell just because big pharma wants you to take their shots to make that $$$$$$

Take it or end up on a breathing machine... the choice is easy for me especially since I already have all the stupid shots that don't do much except cause cardio issues.

Remember this mass hysteria was for something that killed 0.09 to 0.25% and I bet the bulk of those deaths were people already on death's door like morbidly obese people. Most of those losses were denied Ivermectin for political reasons and for money making reasons.

Just remember all those commercials for the news that was telling people Ivermectin was just for horses..."Brought to you by Pfizer"

[Syntosi]

Dude. It does not work. We know it does not work. We have had scientific studies on it (even if we knew it did not work) that proves it does not work (because you people kept insisting that we should investigate this).

At this point, if you are still believing that ivermectin works then you are just delusional. You do realize that this was a financial scam right? The people who started this scam had financial investments into ivermectin and wanted to pump the stock prices. You know that right?

[14gurlz2gagonit]

@Syntosi Well it worked for the people I know that took it. Better in like 3 days.

[ProbablyClueless]

@Syntosi Those studies used Ivermectin against late stage, advanced Covid, which no one was recommending it for. Ivermectin was only ever to be given in the beginning stages as a way to halt viral replication, which is has been strongly and consistently proven do against Covid.

So yeah, if you don't follow the directions, you can't be surprised when a product doesn't work as well as it should.

[14gurlz2gagonit]

@ProbablyClueless That makes sense, just like Tamiflu for regular influenza... if you don't take it early on, it basically doesn't feel like it does anything at all.

Let's be real though, I think @Syntosi is just being a Karen with TDS and is probably itching to call me an anti-vaxxer Trumpster even though I already said I got all the shots. They still get all butt hurt and still believe it's only for horses because CNN and MSNBC told them so.

[Syntosi]

@ProbablyClueless
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115869

Took me 3 seconds to google. Probably longer for you to write that one out. Next time, try google something instead of claiming you can't find it.

[Syntosi]

@14gurlz2gagonit
That is just anecdotal bullshit.

[ProbablyClueless]

@Syntosi Bro, what? Read the study. These people had acute symptomatic Covid for at least 7 days AND at least one comorbidity factor. This is exactly who Ivermectic wasn't being prescribed to help.

[Syntosi]

@ProbablyClueless Ivermectin is not an accepted treatment for covid19 so dont come here and claim it "wasn't being prescribed to help". Obviously it wasn't. Because that is not a thing.

Also, this is not about people who has severe symptoms. Its patients that has exhibited Covid19 symptoms within no more than 7 days and has an additional adverse condition in relation to Covid19 such as obesity, age over 50, or smoking.

The study shows that ivermectin is ineffective as a treatment to covid19.

If you are somehow disqualified from taking ivermectin according to you after simply exhibiting symptoms for less than 7 days then what group do you even suggest take ivermectin? Patients that are infected but does not exhibit any symptoms?

[ProbablyClueless]

@Syntosi Of course it was about people with severe symptoms. That's what "hospitalization" means. These people experienced severe enough covid that they were in the hospital for it. Additionally, they sampled statistical data from these people up to 28 days from their induction into the study. Typical Covid infections were clearing up with 14 days, so anyone fighting the illness 28 days on has an advanced infection anyhow.

All your study demonstrates is that people who got severe Covid didn't benefit from Ivermectin. And as I think most people would agree that's true. Reducing viral replication isn't going to have a meaningful effect on an established infection.

[Syntosi]

@ProbablyClueless First of all, @14gurlz2gagonit would not agree that people who got severe Covid did not benefit from ivermectin. Also the patients were picked from outpatient care which means they were not hospitalized at the time.

[ProbablyClueless]

@Syntosi I get that you really want to be right on this, but come on, man... Why the fuck would someone go to an emergency room or clinic for non-serious Covid? 😂

[Syntosi]

@ProbablyClueless... Because they are normal people? You do know that a lot of people go to the hospital if they show signs of a disease right? Especially if its during a pandemic of a potentially lethal disease. Again, these people were exihibiting symptoms that were not serious enough to transfer them to inpatient care which means they went to see a doctor and then they went home afterwards. No monitoring, no assisted breathing, nothing of that sort that would be required if they were exhibiting actual serious health complications associated with Covid19.

[14gurlz2gagonit]

@ProbablyClueless I don't think he understands how stopping the replication of the virus stuff works. It's why I brought up Tamiflu for influenza. Which by the way was also denied to a lot of people with COVID-19 under the same push to sell only certain types of help.

Tamiflu is basically doing the same thing and from my understanding it's just not as strong at doing the same thing. I did my research on both drugs during a round of the flu that fucked my family up last winter. My wife and kids got real fucked up, but I decided to go without it at all, and I had symptoms that lasted for almost a month longer than them.

Anyways I think we know what we know, he's never going to know... he hasn't properly refuted anything you or I said, and he's just gonna keep going. It's why I'm reading and not adding any input. I'm only speaking up now because he put words into my mouth and I find that annoying af.

I suggest we go silent, let him hoop and hollar with himself about how right he is about everything, pound his chest a few times and then knuckle drag his way back to the woodwork where he came from.

[ProbablyClueless]

@Syntosi That's true, but they also don't go to the clinic every time they have a cough or runny nose. This study was published in early 2022, which means the research was conducted in 2021. By that time, we had lots of data and knew exactly what we were dealing with. These people wouldn't have bothered going to the clinic unless they had reasons to believe they had something more serious than the well over 97% of non-lethal cases.

[Syntosi]

@14gurlz2gagonit
You do know that the studies that found Ivermectin having the ability to inhibit the replication of Covid19 used dosages that is much higher than the safe dosage for humans right? Creating a substance that is so toxic that it destroys viruses is not the problem, its about doing it without hurting the patient that is the challenge.

[Syntosi]

@ProbablyClueless That is just wrong. People go to the clinic for things that are not even wrong with them in the first place.

[ProbablyClueless]

@Syntosi I might be more inclined to agree with you if that wasn't during the height of the pandemic. People wanted to generally avoid going to clinics to avoid catching Covid.

Also, you said in your first comment that there was a financial scam by people who had investments in Ivermectin. Ivermectin is actually a generic medication. There was way more money on the line for people who were trying to get people to take medicines other than ivermectin.

[Syntosi]

@ProbablyClueless Some people avoided going to clinics from fear, others flocked to it because they are afraid. Different types of people reacts differently to fear. Again, the people in this study did not really require additional medical attention outside of them showing up to a clinic for their own reasons. Also they would probably not run a pointless scientific study on people who actually needed help, because that would be stupid.

Of course, there were indeed other drugs that would have been a better choice than Ivermectin. But Ivermectin was not the first medicine put forward as a quack cure either like for example hydroxychloroquine. Its just that Ivermectin has stuck around while most of the other attempts at starting an alternative medicine death cult died off.. Ironic really..

And we are talking about two different ways of earning money here. One is to try scam people out of their money and the other is to try earn money by selling a good product. Trying to equate the two, even if you disagree on which is which, is dishonest of you.

[ProbablyClueless]

@Syntosi You are coping so freaking hard right now 😂

[Syntosi]

@ProbablyClueless Nope. I dont care about any of this outside of an academic and entertainment point of view. You do.

[14gurlz2gagonit]

I haven't seen some of these argument styles Syntosi brings since grade school. I think he forgot to add "nah nah na boo boo." Top tier master debater lolz The king of G@G lolz

[Syntosi]

@14gurlz2gagonit
As opposed to going "Well my mum did it and it worked so nu-uh your scientific study does not count!"?

[14gurlz2gagonit]

@Syntosi You never presented a study... present something and I'll run it through AI if you don't have links to it... I'll find it in a matter of seconds.

Here's the thing, if I show you things that counter your beliefs and provide you the links, are you going to give a shit at all? Waaaay too often I'll do the work and provide some valid proof that is much more than hearsay, and the 'where's your source' bro simply refuses to accept it. So would you give a shit? Or are you just here to be the naysayer or whatever they call that guy that simply disagrees with everything?

[Syntosi]

I literally linked the study as my 2nd comment in this thread. And if you were to give me a link then I would look at it and see if it made any sense. My experience with people trying to give me evidence however is that their evidence does not say what they think it does.

[MisterWack]

The company that makes Ivermectin literally came out and said a public statement that Ivermectin isn’t a miracle drug for Covid19 and anyone that pretends it can cure various types of cancers, diseases, viruses, and make you live longer is a conartist.

The fact is, The HPV Vaccines are a proven effective strategy to preventing cervical cancer in women. Let’s redirect the conversation towards effective, proven, and noteworthy scientific solutions.

[MisterWack]

Merck themselves and their statement about Ivermectin : www.merck.com/.../

[Friendlybro79]

People that want ivermectin to be a cure or a treatment aren’t able to be reasoned with. They would much easier believe Merck has been compromised by china and they made them put the statement out to deceive people someohow lol.

[MisterWack]

@friendlybro79 Sadly accurate.
My response to that hypothetical absurdity would just be, it is in the company’s best favor to make it known now and till the end of time that Ivermectin isn’t a cure all thing, the reason for that is obvious to those with common sense that if something negative were to happen and a living family member were to take them to court, they could use this as a legal defense. If Ivermectin is a secret cure for all diseases, they wouldn’t need to make this move since they would have so many scientifically backed witnesses singing its praises with flying colors.
We know HPV Vaccines prevent cervical cancers so why peddle a lie that may actually cause more harm than good? Scratch that, WILL cause more harm than good? That would be a logical response and they’ll just have to take it or else risk not only their lives, but the lives of others by spreading incredibly harmful misinformation.

[OneViewpoint]

I don't want to help them help themselves. I want to help them commit suicide by idiocy. Give them an Ivermectin sandwich and a bottle of Clorox to wash it down. They'll figure it out eventually. Or not.

[DrPepper12]

Survival of the fittest. I like it!!

[Anonymous]

ohhh f*ck. I'm old enough to remember when the anti-Trumpers started LIE campaigns stating that the clot shot would increase your dick or titty size. but that misinformation didn't seem to bother you. You embraced it because it was pushing something you agreed with. *sigh* silly dems.

There is a lot of research stating the possibility that ivermectin can help with several things. Why are you so against it? I support the right to try. Not to be limited with only options the current administration is pushing when it comes to my health. Glad Trump feels the same way.

[goaded]

Bullshit. Why would anti-Trumpers boost taking Trump's vaccine?

[AviatorTom]

I know several people who took ivermectin during the pandemic. It helped. Why limit a person's choices? No one forces anyone to use ivermectin, and its side effects are limited, when properly taken. You can say the same thing about other OTC drugs like aspirin and Tylenol.

[Friendlybro79]

I know several people that didn’t take anything and they just got better on their own. I also many that got the vaccine and they got better quickly or never got covid. I also know people that never took anything and never got covid to start with.

[AviatorTom]

@Friendlybro79 My point exactly... let people choose.

[Friendlybro79]

Choice is important but there's a reason why people can't fontina pharmacy and just say it's my choice to get this drug because I want it lol. The fact is choices that are proven to work need to be an option. Someone here linked the article that even meek says it isn't proven to work for Covid. It's getting ridiculous to not believe anything other than what someone wants to be true. That said I'm at the point where I personally don't care to argue because it's not worth it and doesn't work 99% of the time. Evidence doesn't mean anything more lol.

[Friendlybro79]

Merck not meek lol

[Sachem]

Well, at least the delusional right wingers are not touting Clorox as the latest cure all.

[DrPepper12]

Yeah, tucker Carlson is now hawking UV light for your hands to stimulate testosterone production. They'll buy ANYTHING

[DrPepper12]

*nads not HAND ✋🏻

[DryGermanGuy]

I bet even more people found joy in sticking these strong light sources into their anus? 😱🤡

[OneViewpoint]

Combining a UV light source up your ass, a bottle of Clorox down your throat, and Ivermectin is cure-all triple punch for every ailment. It results in death. No more diseases. tRump wasn't wrong.

[DryGermanGuy]

Hillbilly healthcare! Amazing. 😵

[NathanDavis]

I get that too...

[NathanDavis]

for my pets...

[DrPepper12]

LOL 😂

[Dongie]

It cured my covid in January of 22. It knocked the severe symptoms out within 11 hours of starting taking the dosage.

[FunkyMonkee]

The other option is to put up with covid. Is THAT what you want people to do?

[seeyounexttuesday]

Chris Cuomo was put on ivermectin by his doctor to treat covid. Is he “maga”?

[Staximus]

Don't be a vax-tard big pharma shill, you're just repeating what the Pfizer sponsored news tells you to sell more of their crack vaccinations. Put this in your pipe and smoke it buddy https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297521000883

[DrPepper12]

Still doesn't work on COVID

[beefcakebradybatson]

A Fascism tenet is anti-intellectualism, which MAGANs practice to the max !!!

[Likes2drive]

If it works then try it, the other choice is to suffer or die, maybe it can be bought over the counter eventually so we don’t need to keep paying doctors to get it. Everything is about money

[Anonymous]

war on "educated" people?

lol I thought you wanted a class war instead of a culture war

[Anonymous]

people are weird. especially religious types. they'll lie and say they've had an experience they didn't just because it fits the group bias

[Twalli]

Why didn't Trump take it when he got COVID-19?

[Friendlybro79]

Because they had bleach in the white house bathroom ready to be injected. He didn't have time to wait for ivermectin

[Twalli]

@Friendlybro79 He went to a hospital.

[Friendlybro79]

I was joking lol

[DCVsMarvel]

Maga's a cult. A cult of morons

[Sono83]

People believe what they want to believe.