How many people were killed thanks to Joe Biden being elected in 2020?

[Anonymous]

Joe Biden and the DemocRat party wasn't shy about the fact that they will be light on illegal immigration back in 2019-2020, and that they support free healthcare for illegal immigrants. Rachel Morin, Laken Riley, and Jocelyn Nungaray were just a few people who were killed by illegal immigrants thanks to the fact that Joe Biden was elected in 2020. How many people do you think were killed and how many lives were ruined thanks to the fact that the majority of the American people elected Joe Biden in 2020?

[exitseven]

Lets not forget the 13 members of our military that were killed needlessly in Afghanistan. And it is never mentioned that the Covid deaths were a lot more when Biden was president. When the death count surpassed the count when Trump was president even though Trump left him a workable vaccine the fake news forgot to mention this "Grim Milestone".

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[DonaldDarko]

A LOT but mostly in blue arias where the illegals were set loose. More Biden voters died than anyone oddly enough. And, it didn't teach them anything it seems.

[lightbulb27]

Presidents rarely keep a body count. Their responsibility is high as is the impact of their decisions. So who knows, and who knows if the Russia/Ukraine would have happened if another leader interjected long before... including Trump, it was fuming back then... but it blew up under Biden and Putin was complaining on video for months before launching. That's 1.5 million.

Being soft on immigration was a major factor in some deaths, there's more than what you listed. Who knows how many trafficked children there are still missing... how many died in the darrien gap and drowned trying to get here. It was a policy to immigrate people but how the heck did they fail in those years to turn them into legals? They just ended up kicking many of them out... Biden deported a whole bunch... and that's after he and Kamala was waiving their hands for them to come in. It makes no sense... they really screwed up.

But then again, how many are dying and suffering under gangs and crime in the countryes they are forced to stay in. We need immigrants, we need to grow the country... I think... these are hard working people... but it has to be legal, and try to be fair including to those that are on the lower levels. I see these people around, they work hard and want to have a better life, that should be available. I think Trump will open it up again legally, lets hope.

[Syntosi]

First of all, Trump has let far more illegal immigrants across the border than Biden did and only captured a fraction of the fentanyl that Biden did. On a pure management side of things Trump has been completely ineffective compared to Biden which makes sense since Trump is incompetent at the best of times.

Secondly, if I was to start counting the deaths attributed to each president then I would not even put deaths resulting from illegal immigration in the top 10. Especially not during Bidens presidency since he was dealing with an actual pandemic and every choice he did and did not make carries the potential to doom or save hundreds of thousands or even millions.

For the record, around 400'000 people died from covid19 during Biden's presidency. Notably also less than during Trump, but I digress.

Point is that you are just being a dishonest troll. You dont care about the reality and just want to spread propaganda. Too bad you decided to side with the losers since that just makes you look bad when you go to bat for them.

[Asker]

I can smell the Trump Derangement Syndrome on you from the other side of the planet. You know, I never found a single source that said that more illegal immigrants came in under Trump. Every single source said that a record number of illegals came in under Joe Biden, from the border patrol agents, to the people who live near the border, from the fake news left-wing media propaganda, and even from 60 minutes. What did the guy who interviewed cackling Kamala fake accent word salad said to her on the interview? That the numbers of illegal crossings QUADRUPLED under Joe Biden. Just look it up for yourself. Nick Shirley was also at the border and interviewed many people who live near there. They all said that the crossings were chaotic during Biden's presidency, and that ever since Trump took over, it's completely quiet and there are no illegal crossings.

If you want to blame someone for Covid, blame China. You left-wingers love to pander to President Xi anyway, because you just love it when he bangs your country from every angle, and rips off the US.

[Syntosi]

Biden had a record of 301,981 arrests at the border. I think Trump is down to like 11,000. Likewise fentanyl caught is dropped by like 30%. Granted, fentanyl is very easily chemically synthesized from legal reagents. Its very possible that the drop in smuggled fentanyl is because the production of fentanyl in USA has increased instead. But hey, Trump did run on bringing manufacturing jobs back to USA so maybe he can claim this as a win?

And no. I do not blame USA's handling of a disaster on China. Even if you think China is responsible, it should never have gotten this bad in the USA in the first place. It also bodes ill for the next time a pandemic races across the world, because that is going to happen. Are you just going to blame someone else for why you failed to protect your people a 2nd time?

[Asker]

You have more border crossing arrest, if far more people come across the border. DAAA. The illegal border crossings under Biden was record number. Even Mitt Romney said it on an MSDNC interview that Trump did a much better job with the border. Fun fact, all 3 of the mothers of the girls who I mentioned sided with Trump, and blamed the Democrat party for what happened to their daughters. Why do you think that is?

The virus came FROM CHINA. I remember back in 2020 February, when I gone up to Google search it said, "Chinese Corona Virus". So yea, it's pretty clear that China is the one to blame from letting it out spread worldwide. By the way, Covid wasn't nearly a Spanish Flu strength virus. Not even close. You can stop pretending that it was.

[Syntosi]

The border crossings during Trumps first term did not decrease noticeably, why would it during his 2nd. Furthermore, why would it THIS MUCH? Your assumptions that border crossings has dropped by a margin that is big enough to make these numbers look good is not realistic even if you think Trump is doing a good job.

And the virus came from China. That is good news for USA, gives it time to prepare and implement a response. Bad news, Trump who was president at the time did not prepare and just let Covid19 come in and do maximum damage. This would have been the same if it was the Spanish flu or not. If you do not try to stop it then you get the worst results.

As for how deadly covid19 is? I think the American deathtoll for the Spanish flu was like 800,000 or so where as Covid19 is getting closer to a million currently.

[Asker]

Okay buddy, let's get some basic elementary school facts straight. The Spanish Flu happened from 1918 to 1920. How many people lived in the US in 1920 compared to now? The Spanish Flu killed 25-50 million people at minimum, while 7 million people died from Covid. Do I need to say more?

Donald Trump did an amazing job with the border in his first term, and he is already doin an amazing job with it in his second term. These are the facts.

[Syntosi]

Really? So an outbreak that kills 9 people in a village of 10 is a worse outbreak than an outbreak that kills 800,000 people in a 1,000,000 person nation when you account for the difference in population? That is not how this works buddy.

And no, Trump absolutely fucking failed with the border on his first term, just like he is doing currently. Facts are facts and they dont care about your feelings.

[Asker]

Facts are exactly what I'm talking about. You are the one who is about his feelings. Not sure what is considered to be success to you, but he did a far better job than puppet Joe Biden did. You are living in your delusional made up bubble. Go ask the border patrol if you don't believe reality.

By the way, which virus is worse? The one that killed minimum 25-50 million people worldwide, when the world population was 1.8 billion, or the one that killed 7 million people when the world population was 8 billion?

[Syntosi]

No, Trump did objectively worse. Both because he was away golfing and not doing his job and also because the numbers says so.

Also, you should check your math because you just made a really stupid mistake. The black death is ranked number 4 where as covid19 is ranked number 5.

[Asker]

Joe Biden spent 570 days on vacation in his 4 year of presidency, and the rest of the time he was in his basement, while his staff try to cover up his cognitive decline. Joe Biden was a travesty with the border, and Kamala Harris was the worst rated vice president in US history on an NBC poll in 2023.

Covid was overrated. Even in 2022 most people stopped wearing masks even through there were still a lot of cases because they realized that the smoke around it was much bigger than the fire. Keep coping.

[Syntosi]

No. Biden did not spend 570 days on vacation. Someone did some basic errors when calculating that number and then the GOP spread it around as propaganda. The real number is more like 100 to 200 days. Trump spent around 378 days on vacation in his first term.

As for vice presidents, they dont actually do anything really. Not sure what you would have to do to be rated as the "worst vice president in US history" when your job is to look pretty and be on stand-by in case the president dies.

As for Covid19, its literally the 5th worst pandemic in human history. If people decided to ignore that fact in 2022 then that says more about them than it does covid19.

[Asker]

Yea right. Biden's 570 days on vacation is completely made up, but Trump spending 378 days on vacation is totally true. "Trust me bro, because I'm a Democrat cheerleader". Maybe if you would have called out the Democrat party on the disgrace that was the Biden/Cackles administration, they would have done better, and wouldn't have been fired by 77 million people last year.

By the way, you were also wrong about Covid, because more people died from Covid under Biden, than under Trump. Why don't you go out and light up a few Tesla cars on fire? We all know that you Democrat cheerleaders only care about environmental protection if you have your Democrat overlords in charge.

[Syntosi]

Again, the 570 day claim is just pure propaganda and not based on reality.

As for covid19 deaths, Trump did not have any deaths for half his first presidency because the outbreak had not even started. Its also rich bringing up the deaths during Biden when most of them are a result of the failed policies Trump enacted back at the beginning where it actually mattered. Trumps response to Covid19 is legendarily bad at this point. Its going to be used as an example of what not to do in history books from now on.

[Asker]

I'm still waiting for you to show me evidence that the 570 Biden vacation is false, and that the 378 Trump vacation is true. As far as history books go, Biden has made himself a reputation on what not to do as a US president, when it comes to inflation, the record number of illegal immigrants under his term, unnecessary spending, DEI, and men in women's sports.

Tell yourself whatever you need in order to sleep better at night you Democrat cheerleader. That's what you people usually do anyway. You need to lie to yourself and be completely delusional, otherwise you can't cope.

[exitseven]

@Syntosi In April 2024 there were 128,895 apprehensions of illegal aliens at the border. In April 2025 there were 8,383 a 93% decrease in apprehensions. There has been a 27%decrease in the number of fentanyl deaths in the US since Trump has been President. All this was done, not with an act of congress but by having s new president.

[Syntosi]

@asker
Sure, let me prove how stupid that propaganda is then. First of all, it originates from the RNC and they began to push this idea even midway through Bidens presidency. Here is some examples:
https://archive.ph/ka4Ub

https://archive.ph/rRSxD

So yeah, the RNC is the source for this bullshit and I hope I dont have to tell you why believing politicians when they are talking trash about their opponents is bound to get you lied to by political propaganda but whatever, lets dig deeper shall we?

First of all, the the schedule of the president is public knowledge. You can track where he is and what he is doing on these websites:
rollcall.com/factbase/biden/topic/calendar/
www.presidency.ucsb.edu/.../pool-reports

[Syntosi]

@asker
Simply put, you can't find 570 days where Biden did not perform official presidential work. You also can't find 570 days where Biden traveled to a vacation destination. According to a news investigator who looked through these public records he could find 77 days where Biden was at a vacation destination and did not officially do any work as the president. They could however find 118 days where Biden was in a vacation location but during 41 of those there was official records of Biden doing actual work on that day.

So, if the journalist could only find 77 vacation days how the hell did the RNC get to 570? Well, lets look at the method that they used to come to that conclusion. While they did not share their data, because of course they would keep quiet on how they fudged their numbers, it looks like they made this assumption based on when Biden was at a "vacation destination". Strange right? Because the journalist could only find 118 such days and Biden provably did work during many of them.

So what did the RNC do then? Basically, they just fucking lied. Anytime Biden traveled anywhere they just took it for granted that he was "on vacation". Biden attend the 9/11 remembrance event? Vacation. Biden visiting hurricane relief in Louisiana after Hurricane Ida? Vacation. The RNC was even desperate enough to label a meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in the white house as Biden having a vacation.

So yeah.. You have been lied to.

[Syntosi]

@exitseven Yeah.. I am guessing you dont see a problem with why going from 128k to 8k. There are two conclusions you can draw from that, either less people are coming into the nation or you are becoming dogshit at catching them.

Considering Trump has done literally nothing to increase security on the border, since that requires an act of congress, likewise with fentanyl, then I am left to conclude that the numbers are demonstrating not how good Trump is doing but rather how poorly he is doing.

[Asker]

Dr. Phil visited the border patrol last year, and they said to him that the illegal crossings under Biden were around 10-13 million, and it was much much lower under Trump.
Even the fake news left-wing media reported a lot of illegal immigrant surge since 2021 when Biden was the president.
Nick Shirley, a popular guy on YouTube visited the border under both Biden, and now under Trump's administration, and the reality is that far more illegal immigrants came in under Biden.
Trump was endorsed by 10000 border patrol agents before the election.
The guy who interviewed Miss Cackling Fake Accent Word Salad last year, told her that the illegal crossings quadrupled under the Biden/Cackles administration.
The mother of Laken Riley, Jocelyn Nungaray, and Rachel Morin all blame the Democrat party for their daughters deaths, and they all sided with Trump.

So who are you lying to at this point? You can lie to yourself, and to your Democrat cheerleader buddies all you want, but you can't lie to me.

It's also funny how you are saying that the only job of a vice president is to wait if the president dies, and than step in. Really? Is this the excuse you want to use to defend Miss Cackling Fake Accent Word Salad who can't even speak without a teleprompter? The VP is the right hand of the president. The president can't be at anywhere, so the VP has an important job too. Just search it up on Google what is the job of the VP.

So yea, if you voted for Biden in 2020, you can consider yourself a part of the reason why those people were killed by illegal immigrants.

[Syntosi]

Again, what has Trump actually done to materially change the number of border crossings since becoming President? You claim he is responsible for a massive drop, what explains it?

And yes. I am literally saying that the job of the vice president is to basically wait for the president to die so that they can take over. Why? Because the constitution defines the vice president as such:
Article II, Section 1 “in Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President.”

and:

Article I, Section 3 “The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.”

So the only constitutional duty that the vice president has outside of serving as the backup president is to become the tie breaker if there is a tied vote in the senate. Basically, the Vice president does nothing unless they are given authority and power by the president to act. Yes, that means that the Vice President can act with certain authority from the president but only if the president explicitly gives them that power since its not inherent to the position of Vice President.

You mentioned google. Why dont you use it?

[Asker]

I use Google a lot. You are the one who don't use it, outside of feeding your mind with Clown News Network, MSDNC, and living in your left-wing bubble on libtard Reddit.

There is no need for congress to secure the freaking border, especially when you also have the senate, and the house. Why would you need congress to agree on basic things that make a country a country? You can check any source, or just visit the border yourself and ask around to see that Trump secured it since day 1. The Biden administration failed. Period, end of story. If you want to lie to yourself and cope, feel free to do it.

See? I used Google to see what is the responsibility of the VP.
Principal advisor to the president:
Vice Presidents often play a significant role as principal advisors to the president, contributing to policy decisions and representing the administration on various issues.
Specific responsibilities:
Certifying election results: The Vice President formally presides over the counting and certification of presidential electoral votes.
Attending international events: Vice Presidents may represent the president at international conferences and meetings.
Representing the president: Vice Presidents may take on specific policy areas or projects assigned by the president.

As you can see, there are other important roles the VP has. Cackles failed at all of these. That's why she was considered to be the worst VP in US history on an NBC poll. So your excuse to defend her is a joke.

[Syntosi]

... Are you stupid? Congress IS the house and senate.

"Vice Presidents often play a significant role as principal advisors to the president" That is not a role. That is just the president relying on the people around him.

"Certifying election results"
That is entirely ceremonial and conveys no actual powers or additional responsibilities to the Vice President.

"Vice Presidents may represent the president at international conferences and meetings."
The Vice President MAY represent the president. MAY. And only if they are empowered by the president at which point the president could empower anyone to represent them at international conferences and meetings. Again, nothing to do with being a Vice President.

"Vice Presidents may take on specific policy areas or projects assigned by the president."
Again, MAY. The president can empower the Vice President to do these things. But the President can empower ANYONE to do these things, it has nothing to do with being a Vice President.

Look, you are really bad at this googling thing. You dont even know the basics such as what "Congress" is. I really suggest you stop forming opinions on subjects where you are clearly clueless.

[Asker]

So how exactly does this save Cackles from being the worst rated VP on an NBC poll? Even the fake news left-wing media said that she was terrible and Biden should replace her. Of course this was way before Biden dropped out, and she was installed without the will of the voters, and everyone started acting as if she's the best thing since sliced bread. She was terrible. Deal with it.

Trump secured the border months ago. He did a better job with the border on his first day, than Biden in his entire term.

[Asker]

The bottom line is that she could have done something useful, but she didn't do jack shit. Both Biden and Harris were bad at their job. That's why the Biden/Harris administration was one of the worst administration in US history.

[Syntosi]

Again? What was "Cackles" suppose to be doing as a VP? You have not been able to define what she has been doing wrong.

Likewise you have not been able to define what Trump has done to secure the border. You are just saying things as if they mean something.

[exitseven]

@Syntosi Less people are coming in. Wait in Mexico has been re-implemented and the Border patrol is now allowed to do their job. The word is out that illegal aliens will not be allowed to stay and will be arrested and deported. The caravans have stopped.

[Asker]

The illegal border crossings are over 90% down compared to Biden. I don't know what exactly did he do, but it works. That's the bottom line. So if Harris was not a bad VP, why was she considered to be the worst VP in 2023 on an NBC poll. Can you answer that?

[Asker]

By the way, as you can see the Democrats supported free healthcare for illegal immigrants in 2020. Does this sound like a party to you who are against illegal immigration and want a secure border? You have to be an extremely stupid person to not see that they wanted an open border.

[Bricealan]

It's a sad fact, everything you stated and I fear we, as a country, will never recover.

As a side note, let me ask:

How can any man or men who are elected to help their country and protect it's people from enemies foreign and domestic - do, what the Biden Administration did to their own country- and claim to be 'American's' that have the interest of Americans and America in their heart? I will never be able to answer that question for myself

[Chazmatazz269]

I don’t really believe that the president or the federal government in general has that big of an influence on such things.
State governments feeling the freedom to do ignorant and dangerous things because of the lack of restrictions from the feds is a little different. On that note, the actual number might be incalculable.

[Asker]

Ever since Donald Trump took over the border crisis has been solved. I guess when the Democrat party is in office, no issue is the presidents fault.

[Anonymous]

Not as many as Musk has killed in their first five months. And not for the same purposeful means. Greed is an entrance ticket to hell.

[Asker]

Yea, that's why the DemocRat party will go to hell. How did Musk killed anyone? What did MSDNC and Clown News Network washed your brain out with?

[Opinion Owner]

Really?
Cut off spare food to deathly poor countries and medicine which treats those that would otherwise bring disease into ours (so not selfless reasons) and people die. People have already died. A large number of them are children. All because of musk and bigballs. Get off fox and learn something real.

[Asker]

You mean like poor African countries? Are you aware of the fact how is the culture in these poor African countries? A couple makes 10 kids, because they know that most won't survive. Ever since they get vaccines from foreigners, they don't die anymore, and they still make 10 kids per couple.
Do you have any reasonable explanation why daddy US needs to spend your money on other countries? Why is this the responsibility of daddy US from the other side of the world?
When will you care about your own people, like you should have cared about for Laken Riley, Jocelyn Nungaray, and Rachel Morin? If you voted for Biden in 2020, you are part of the reason why they died.

[Opinion Owner]

Typical uneducated maga reply.

[Asker]

The Department of education is beyond garbage. Democrat fanatics these days don't even know what a woman is, so you should be the last person to call someone uneducated. If you voted for Biden in 2020, you are responsible for the death of these 3 girls. That is a fact my dear.

[Anonymous]

Well we're all gonna die anyway. Isn't that what Joni Ernst said? What the fuck do you MAGAS care?

[Asker]

I'm not MAGA. I'm an individual. By the way, you Democrat cheerleaders clearly don't care about environmental protection if you regularly light up Tesla cars on fire, and you physically assault people for wearing MAGA hats. Democrats are the party of hypocrisy.

[SotiCoto]

Probably zero, give or take.

[Asker]

The 3 girls I showed in my thread died thanks to Joe Biden and the Democrat party. It was only a fraction of the deaths the Democrats caused.