Do you think it's fair that America is rounding up and shipping out all legal immigrants?

[Anonymous]

Yes

No

[Lliam]

I have mixed feelings. There have been undocumented aliens in this country for many decades. They worked on farms, cleaned hotel rooms, did labor jobs and even started small businesses. I've employed some to help with projects on my property and they worked super hard and did amazing work. There used to be places where day laborers would gather in the morning and you could go find help with things like moving or yard work.

Our country has always depended on labor from undocumented aliens.
During WWII, we succeeded in closing the border and many businesses, farms in particular, suffered so badly that we started the Bracero program to allow migrants in.

There are some undocumented aliens who have been in this country for decades, worked hard, built lives, raised children, and become members of society.
It's not all that easy to get a green card or become a citizen. And people who are already in this country who try risk deportation.

Some people who live here have no lives to go back to in their countries of origin. Their children may only speak English. It's cruel to simply deport them.

I think we need to make it much easier for people to gain work permits and temporary residency and, at that point to obtain green cards.

At the same time, the U. S. has a history of deporting illegal aliens. Democrats didn't complain when Obama did it. I don't know why they complained when Trump attempted to close the southern border.

Then Biden opened the floodgates and millions poured in without any vetting at all. NGOs encouraged illegal immigration by paying them and busing them to the border. It created chaos in many parts of the U. S. Public services were overwhelmed and crime rose. It got so bad that even latte-liberal NIMBYs were effected. They sure didn't want them in places like Martha's Vineyard.

Democrats insanely offered housing, money and other benefits to people who raided this country illegally during that time. That incited a lot of resentment among American citizens who, themselves, were struggling.

So now that Trump is trying to put the horse back in the barn, Dems and libs are using it as one more excuse to vilify him. And now they are organizing mass resistance against ICE and police.

I think those who flooded across the border over the past 4 years should be deported unless they were truly fleeing from gangs and death squads. Those who participate in riots should be prosecuted and, after they serve their sentences, be deported. Those who are convicted of violence, involvement in criminal activities or gangs, can be sent to El Salvadorian prisons for all I care.

But I honestly don't think every single undocumented alien should be subjected to a reign of terror, hunted down and deported. Some of them are really good people who contribute to society. Again, it should be made much easier for such people to get work permits or green cards. It should be remembered that this is a country of immigrants. And immigrants have contributed tremendously.

[Hal2002]

It blows my mind that people have an issue with legal immigrants being deported, legal immigrants that have been deported. For the most part have been doing something to get deported. Yes maybe one or two have being mistakenly deported (sometimes an innocent get caught up with the guilty), but most have done something. I know of a couple of legal green card holders that have been deported back to my country, why? Because they while not doing violent crime or even felony crimes, where doing misdemeanor crimes to the extent that they where a public nuisance.

When I lived in the U. S. and held a green card, when I was doing the paperwork for my green card. There was information, on thing that could get your green card revoked and you deported. I think some of you are crazy to try and defend immigrants that where publicly supporting terrorist, threating anyone that did not agree with their view point, damaged public and government property.

When I lived in the U. S., having a green card was a privilege not a right and I respected that privilege. By obeying the laws of the country, and not doing things that could get me deported.

[Hal2002]

If you came into the U. S. illegally with out documentation, or legally but overstayed. No matter how long you have been in the country, you are not a legal citizen of the United States Of America. Plain and simple.

So the premise of this question, is it fair that American is rounding up and shipping out all legal immigrants. is false. all legal immigrants are not being rounded up and deported. All illegal immigrants are going to be rounded up and deported.

[Anonymous]

Fair?
This isn't about fairness.
This is a mentally unstable criminal with long-time pure obsession with dictators (proven in court documents) and rubbing it off in reality. Currently displayed before America

[Caroline91]

There is no reason to expel legal immigrants who have not violated any of the terms that are listed as causes for deportation.

[OneViewpoint]

The key words here are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. If you are here illegally, you have violated our laws and at a minimum you need to leave and try to reenter under our rules. You need to stand in line with every other immigrant going through our process to enter this country and work towards citizenship legally.

It's not our fault you dragged you kids across a river and entered our country illegally. You're probably not a violent criminal, rapist, or drug dealer. But you cut the line where thousands are waiting to become US citizens the right way. You violated our laws when you did that. Get out. Start over. Try again the right way.

If a country doesn't control its borders, it's not a country. It's just a piece of land.

[Caroline91]

@OneViewpoint Read the question again, then check your "keys words."

[OneViewpoint]

@Caroline91 ,

Read the sign the guy is holding. "I am an American w/o papers". What is that? He believes he's an US citizen therefore he is? Sorry but, undocumented = illegal. Birthright citizenship should have limitations. if your momma swam across the Rio Grande when she was 8 1/2 months pregnant and popped you out in Texas 2 weeks later, back you go. That's using our open society and our laws against us. Blame your parents, not the USA.

[Caroline91]

@OneViewpoint I agree undocumented = illegal. I think birthright citizenship should be for people whose parents are citizens with few, if any, exceptions. BUT, the question was about legal immigrants. I don't know if that was a typo or if that is what was intended.

[OneViewpoint]

@Caroline91 ,

No of course not. Anyone here on a legitimate visa or holding a green card is absolutely welcome and entitled to stay absent some heinous felony conviction in our courts.

[Hal2002]

@Caroline91 the question asker, is of the opinion that anyone that enters the U. S. of A and has been in the country a while Is a legal citizen.

[Caroline91]

@Hal2002 How do you know that? Is it the sign and you're inferring it or is it something else?

[Hal2002]

@Caroline91 I am simply going by the question being asked, America is not rounding up and shipping out all legal immigrants. It is rounding up and is trying to ship out all illegal immigrants. The photo with the guys holding the sign, reinforces that the question asker thinks anyone that has lived in the U. S. for a few years is now an American citizen and if it was a typo why has the question asker not acknowledged they meant illegal and not legal.

[Caroline91]

@Hal2002 Actually, the administration's efforts have proven to be rather indiscriminate. Both illegal and legal immigrants have been caught up in it and even some American citizens have been. It isn't really all that simple as it is being put into practice. And even an illegal immigrant does have due process rights in this country, which are being wholly ignored. What is being done by the Trump administration is, in fact, what is illegal. And in my mind, as well as that of many others, it will go down in the history books as one of the most shameful episodes in the history of this country.

[mattthefatbat]

There's two types of people who would say this is fair
People that pray to trump
People who simply don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves

I honestly don't see a need for any immigrant to have to face deportation unless found guilty in the court of law of a legitimate crime. Besides that, immigrants aren't here looking to cause trouble..

But damn how I miss those days when americans could breathe a sigh of relief and just say oh the president is making another address at the Capitol again imma sleep on it. Instead of being worried about how the current president plans to make life more frustrating for everyone, by doing what ever his cabinet picks have double dogged dared him to say and follow through with that day.

[Chazmatazz269]

No, if they went through the proper channels to secure citizenship, they should absolutely be allowed to stay. Even if they committed a crime, they should face the same justice system that a natural born citizen would face.
I’m also in favor of fast tracking undocumented immigrants who are generally law abiding and bring value to our society and culture.
But known criminals should be kept out. If they enter illegally they should be thrown out, along with anyone who commits a crime here before their naturalization is finalized.
We have too many criminals and deadbeats here already to be importing them from other countries.

[exitseven]

Yes, they broke the law by coming here, they use up resources meant for taxpayers and bring nthing positive to the country. They are uneducated , indigent freeloaders that will have to be supported by the taxpayers.
In 2023 the federal government spent 450 billion dollars to support them. Cities and states have spent billions more.

[exitseven]

Holding up a sign saying you are an American without papers means nothing. It is like when democrats call them undocumented citizens. They are illegal aliens. Real Americans are like my grandparents. They got sponsors, entered the country legally, had a physical, had jobs already lined up and later went through the process to gain citizenship.

[Twalli]

My dad's family didn't. They were British all their lives until they fought in The American Revolution. I'm also pretty sure my mom's grandfather got it by enlisting in The Army for World War I. So there are ways to become American even if someone didn't do what your grandparents did. Musk definitely didn't do it that way, and was here illegally for several years.

[midnightmoon05]

@Twalli those who served to protect our country can receive citizenship. Those who contribute to the country can receive citizenship. Those who took the easy way in to the US and depleting tax payers money should be send back. They are welcome back to the US by going through the legal way.

[Twalli]

@midnightmoon05 Musk wasn't contributing at the start. At which point do they have to start contributing?

[midnightmoon05]

@Twalli working and paying taxes within 3-6 months of landing in the US.
Make effort to be a part of building their new home in this country. Work 6 days and spend a day to learn English.
They can obtain citizenship in 5 years.
I also know a lot come here to make money, then send money to their families at home.
There should be a limit with how much they can send back.

[goaded]

@midnightmoon05 "If you live out by the Little Manatee River, in the swamplands south of Tampa, Florida you probably know the name Maurilio Ambrocio. He's an Evangelical Pastor at a local church, he's lived here for 20 years. He also owns a landscaping business, tending the lawns and yards in the neighboring city of Fort Myers.

And a few weeks ago, he was detained in President Trump's massive immigration crackdown, which Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has promised to fully partner with - in fact he's pledged to make the state the lead on the government's deportation campaign.
...
[neighbor Greg] Johns says he was beside himself. His eyes water as he recalls when Hurricane Milton hit last year. Ambrocio checked in on him immediately. "Do you need propane?" he asked. "Do you need water? What do you need? That's the type of neighbor [he is]. This man is a part of the neighborhood." Like many in this small rural community, Johns voted for President Trump last November. In fact, he did so at Ambrocio's church, which doubles as a polling station. "I did." He hesitates. "Because I was not happy with the direction the country was going." He says he was hoping migrants in the country without papers and with criminal records would be targeted. But he says he never expected a pillar of the community like Maurilio Ambrocio would be taken away. "You're gonna take you know a community leader, a Pastor, a hard working man… What, did you need a number that day?" "
www.npr.org/.../florida-community-rallies-around-immigrant-pastor-swept-up-in-crackdown

[Twalli]

We've seen this before a good friend of a Fox News host was fired with the fake DEI purge. I say fske, because that person, though not a white male, was qualified.

[Caroline91]

@exitseven Read the question again...

[exitseven]

@Caroline91 gee , you are right. It says legal immigrants. The truth is that legal immigrants are not being arrested unless they interfere with federal agents doing their job.

[lightbulb27]

No, it's not fair. a lot of people snuck in and stayed because policy and enforcement was so weak. They flew under the radar. now someone is enforcing the laws and... they are americans... they don't know their homelands. where do they go? Do they still have a house there or are they homeless.

Life is not fair, It's messed up.

If we lose too many, we are gonna implode...

[DonaldDarko]

Of course it is, why wouldn't it be? America is for Americans not foreigners who break or laws. Those people don't care one bit about our country or it's history or culture. They must be removed.

[andreasderjuengere]

''Fair'' and ''America'' is a somewhat contradicting combination.

''America'' is egocentric and greedy. I am sure that all these deportations mean good earnings to quite a few of these ;;great;; people.

[avery58]

By deporting legal immigrants are you talking about revoking their TPS? I mean, it's in the name... "Temporary"

[goaded]

Fair point, but I think the idea was "temporary until the situation improves at home", not "temporary until we decide you're too dark skinned".

Specifically: "nationals of a country experiencing ongoing armed conflict, an environmental disaster, or any temporary or extraordinary conditions that would prevent the foreign national from returning safely and assimilating into their duty"

[WindAtMyBack]

Are you asking if it's fair that the US does the same thing that every other country in the world does?

[Danzigdawson]

They're rounding up whoever for whatever fucking reason and fuck due process. That's how ICE went from law enforcement agency to gestapo.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

The American government has a right to deport anyone who isn't a citizen at anytime they wish both legal or illegal.

It's not a right to be in America but a privilege.

[Caroline91]

@hispanic-cool-guy I agree. But I also believe there is a right way to carry out deportations and our government should be following its own laws in this.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@Caroline91: If you are illegal living in a country the right way is to be arrested and ship back to your country of origin.

If you resist arrest and get slammed into the ground then that's your own problem.

[Caroline91]

@hispanic-cool-guy By masked men not in uniform and in unmarked vehicles who don't identify themselves?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@Caroline91: Using an exception here or there isn't the norm. Most identity themselves.

[Caroline91]

@hispanic-cool-guy That has always been the case in the past. What is happening right now is, indeed, an exception. We need to ensure it does not become the norm and there are procedures in place that need to be followed in deporting someone. That way we avoid mistakes. Those procedures need to be followed, in my opinion. That's really all I'm saying.

[Godihateyou]

This question is why the 19th amendment should be repealed. They are not intelligent enough to vote and every society in 5,000 years of recorded history has collapsed in 2.5 generations after giving woman the right to vote.

[Anonymous]

I would only deport the ones convicted of a crime. Most of them are working, taxpaying people who the country benefits from having.

[AviatorTom]

Legal immigrants are not being deported. Illegal ones are.

[Shiprex]

They're deporting CITIZENS though as well as legal residents

[Smegskull]

You can't DEport a citizen as you never ported them in the first place. The term would be exile.

[Shiprex]

@Smegskull they managed to rendition citizens and legal residents when they were told not to so they illegally deported them because they don't believe in the rule of law. TO the clown show it was a deportation to the sane part of the world it was illegal rendition of people.

[OneViewpoint]

@Shiprex ,

Technically it was not extraordinary rendition since they were not removing those people from another jurisdiction in an extrajudicial process. They were just plain old kidnapping their own citizens and transporting them across their own national boundaries. And these people weren’t charged with any crimes. This was just good old fashioned fascism.

[Shiprex]

@OneViewpoint yes but except it was extra judicial also after the court ordered it stopped.

[Smegskull]

I think this just sort of shifts the question to "What is your blackstone's ratio?" and most people don't like that question because they very quickly are shown to be hypocrits when they don't apply it equally.

[Dongie]

What could be unfair? Would you like to live in a country where the government taxed you but did not protect you?

[FunkyMonkee]

Absolutely!! They broke the law by being here!! How many other countries would put up with that?

[DrPepper12]

Fair? ⚖️ Trump doesn't understand. Fore? ⛳ THAT he understands!!

[SotiCoto]

Stands to reason that if they're Legal Immigrants, that shipping them out is Illegal.

[Caroline91]

That's just too logical!

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

Trump should force everyone to be Catholic. And make Jehovah Witness illegal just like Russia did.

[Snakeyes7]

They aren't. It is the illegal immigrants they are after with the violent ones taking priority.

[Sal_Monella]

It isn't. Only ILLEGAL immigrants.

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

Are you Catholic?

[Sal_Monella]

@SuperZonicGUY1992 why would that matter to you?

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

I wish president Trump would demand each and every citizen to be a Catholic. And also throw out all the Jehovah's witness and make Jehovah Witness illegal in America. I know Russia did.

[Sal_Monella]

@SuperZonicGUY1992 how about mormons?

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

No bro these people are judgmental Karens.

All Mormon woman I encounter were Karens they expected perfection. I wanted to date a Mormon girl but she expected me to convert to mormon to n order to considered dating me.

Hell no mormons have a lot in common with the united charismatic Pentecostal church.

No Catholic is way better more freedom drink all the coffee we want.

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

You are Mormon?

[Twalli]

Did you mean illegal, because it says legal?

[Anonymous]

Who says that the legal immigrants are being sent out of the country?

[Miristheiss]

They are shipping out ILLEGAL immigrants.

[seeyounexttuesday]

you forgot a few letters in your question.

[BCA6010]

*Illegal

[Reijen]

Yes.

[Reijen]

You're trying to reply to some other question.

[Reijen]

Thank you, I try.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Nope.