Trump congratulated on having succeeded in convincing the Europeans to devote 5% of their GDP to defence. But that simply won't happen for the majority of European countries. Even the USA does not devote 5% of its GDP to defence.
Does Trump really believe that the Europeans are going to spend 5% of their GDP on defence?
Believe it or not this is actually one of the VERY, VERY FEW things I agree with Trump on. You guys need to invest in your militaries more part of why Ukraine happened is because Europe got complacent and let their military standards slack in a lot of places. That made Putin ballsy he thought there wouldn't be a response because he sees military weakness as something to exploit.
The Putin and the Russians are cowards, if he didn't think he had a solid chance at winning he wouldn't have done shit but then he attacked Crimea, and nothing happened, and Europe still didn't re arm. Europe has forgotten a crucial detail of peace keeping. "If you want peace, prepare for war." Europe has been too tolerant of Russia with both their Grey Zone warfare as well as their illegal wars of conquest in places like Chechnya and creating puppet governments like Belarus.
Not to mention countless election interferences in multiple nations including some in the EU which is supposed to keep an eye on corruption as is NATO and yet Turkey has been a consistent thorn in our side and an ally of Russia. I understand the United States is supposed to be acting as part of your protection since we're head of the national security council, but you shouldn't let your own militaries slip just because you have another one watching you back.
Ukraine happened because of Putin’s megalomaniac plans for restoring the Soviet empire. 100.000 NATO soldiers in Europe, a million or ten million, it was completely irrelevant as it was clear from the very start of the invasion that NATO has no treaty with Ukraine to act on.
@DryGermanGuy Putin is a coward. If we had stood up to him in Crimea and done the right thing then this wouldn't have happened but we flinched, and Putin saw weakness. He wouldn't have invaded if he was scared of us and Putin only fears strength greater than him. I'm not saying this is the sole cause but to say it isn't one of them is just wrong. 5% defense spending is the bare minimum and not that Putin has lost what's left of his marbles and doubled down going all in on the war he's going to spread the war to NATO my guess in the next 2 years max we should expect and invasion of eastern Europe probably Poland but if Ukraine is doing this well I'm goanna just grab popcorn when they attack Poland lol. The rest of NATO needs to re arm and stay armed and maybe one good thing to come out of this shit Trump precedency is y'all are finally realizing that.
I will try to do anything in my power that we Europeans ain't going to spend money on this offensive war efforts called "defense". Fuck the US government with their war machine!
Fact!
The US has never had to "defend" themselves from any other country attacking theirs. So all Americans should ask themselves why their army are scattered worldwide with their "defense"operations.
There is nothing defensive about their army. They are the Aggressors! They are spending 4.2% of their GDP on attacking other country's. Fuck that shit. Why are American citizens supporting their killing machine? Pls explain this to me citizens of the US
Some will other won't the target is 2035 and even 2% declared ten years ago are problematic for some NATO countries. Generally more important is EU's money fond for European defense projects. This will exclude US and will strengthen and increase industrial defense output in EU. As example are chemicals necessary for production of explosives and missile drives. You can see how low is US production output of Patriots and SM-3 missiles when Israel complains about lack of replenish missiles for iron dome just after two weeks of hot war.
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Trump only has the opinion of those directly around him at any given time. This is the reason why he changes his mind so often. They are not his thoughts or opinions. He is a people pleasing void. Stroke those who make him more. More money, more famous, more power.
To be honest, NOTHING is more annoying than Eurotrash (yes, I use the term here) boasting of their wonderful social programs, and looking down on the USA in particular in this respect, when the USA has, in effect, been paying their defense bills for decades now.
It's more important the money is wisely spent rather than the percentage. Of course NATO countries are contracted to buy a certain percentage from America so no wonder he wants us to spend more.
Really we should be looking at what each country can actually afford and if its not 5% can they contribute anything else such as food or materials.
I'd also argue we should be financially contributing to countries that border russia as they're our first line of defence.
Trump is a realist. I'm sure he knows that not all European countries will reach 5%, but they will increase their spending from the current 2-3%, which is really what he wants... for Europe to fund more of NATO and not rely on the US.
Trump is also a businessman. If a country doesn't come close to the agreed 5%, he will berate them ("but you agreed to 5%") at a future meeting and get more out of them.
As Estonian i know that we are gonna hit 5% in next year. My concern is that is not enough. We have had war 3.5 years next door and there is ONLY talk about building bunkers, putting mines at the border, building 155mm Artillery Shell Production. But nothing ACTUALLY is being done and that is the most frustrating part.
They just change Government budget. And they tax people with all kind of taxes.
Major tax rate increases and new taxes include a: Personal income tax increase to 22% from 2025 Corporate income tax increase to 22% from 2025 Bank levy increase to 18% from 2025 Reduced 14% corporate income tax rate abolished from 2025 Land tax increase from 2025 New motor vehicle tax from 2025 Standard value added tax (VAT) rate increase to 24% from 1 July 2025 (temporary defense tax1) New defense tax 2% (temporary personal and corporate tax in 2026–2028)
1. Over the past 50 years, American defense spending has averaged 4.2% of GDP. 2. NATO offers far more immediate and substantial benefits to our European partners than it does to the US. 3. Would you rather simply sit around and expect the US to rescue you once again, then complain about the US being a bully?
Time will tell. So far those nations have cheaped out and not paid their fair share, yet expect that they will be protected by NATO. That is like someone who pays no auto insurance premiums and collecting damages to their car for free.
They are paying themselves, not someone else. Trump likes to insinuate otherwise but is of course dumb as a box of rocks. As far as the operating costs of NATO go, Germany pays the same amount as the United States. Oh and the only country ever profiting from an article five triggering was… yes, the United States, after 9/11.
Aid to Ukraine is counted in the 3.5% and other defence related spending like civil defence is counted in the 1.5%.
Moreover euros and Americans have been calculating what counts as defence spending differently before like USA has included R&D while some euros haven't.
TLDR not 5% for the defence budget but 5% defence related.
Also Spain has already opted out but orcs would have to go through Poland, Germany, France and the Pyrenee mountains to get to them.
Well, the devil is in the details... Technically it's 3,5% GDP for defense and 1,5%GDP for war relevant infrastructure. And it's set up to be a long-term goal for the 2030s.
The US currently gives 3.2% of GDP towards NATO. The 5% amount is to be by 2035. By the way, nine countries don't even give the current 2% toward NATO.
Probably not (it took a decade and the Russian invasion of Ukraine to get everyone but Spain to spend at least 2%), but NATO members have committed to it.
Yes, but it would give Trump some kind of advantage in future negotiations. I know that they will renege on their commitment because they seemed too cheerful
If they don't pay then they're not part of the club. What percentage of the help for Ukraine came from america? Why did America give them a single dime?
Don't know, but our Prime Minister Mark Carney had pledged Canada to spend five percent on defense.(Are you also Canadian with your spelling of "defence?")
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