Is it contemptuous if I consider the history of Russia to be inferior to the history of France?

[Julie4]

[lightbulb27]

you French founded some amazing food and environment and fought to secure it... fortunately you've got some nice mountains to protect from others. ... in the name of france. thank god you threw out saurkraut, blech!

I'm not really so sure about eating snails, but in butter and garlic, they are tasty little gummy thingies.

...

beyond that, the part about the girl whom fought for France (don't recall the name...), and all those partisans that risked their lives, many being killed the process.. like those killed in Normandy and burned inside a church by the Germans... it's something to hold onto. other people gave their lives, so you have something to value.

I don't know enough about Russian history to even comment.

[andreasderjuengere]

Both countries had been established roughly at the same time.

So the amount of ''history'' is similar to me.

Superiour/inferiour? - I guess that France overall had been more visible and colourful.

History generates culture - and vice versa. From what I know, BOTH countries gave rich and impactful contributions.

Contemptuous? - I don't think so. Rather... a little uninformed and single sided.

Seeing where your sample picture is from, I guess that you did not read the

entire text :) ?

[Julie4]

Our history begins before Russian history

[andreasderjuengere]

And the Romans started even earlier. Did that help them? :) - You may be aware that I'm a great admirer of France. But... I would not say that specific countries (outside of Africa, that is) are 'inferiour' by default.

[Julie4]

Maybe, but you know it's the Russians who have historically admired French culture, speaking our language, copying our model, sometimes our architecture etc... And on the whole we have been richer and more developed than Russia (historically), even if the Cold War was an exception.

Does that mean that Russia is a small power? No. Does this mean that Russia does not have a rich culture? No. Does this mean that Russia has contributed nothing to the world? No.

Russia has historically been an enormous power, with a very rich culture, and they have had important scientists.

[andreasderjuengere]

I am irritated. Isn't that what I said initially?

[DeeDeeDeVour]

Probably because the history of France was more widely publicized than the history of Russia.

If you studied about Russia further, you'll learn that Russia, too, has a colorful past with incredibly powerful leaders.

You may then apply the word "contemptuous" after all.

[Julie4]

Excuse me, it is the Russians who have copied French culture, who speak French historically, and France has spent most of its history being richer and more developed.

[Screenwriter]

MIght be snobbery, but I don't think it'd be considered contempt.

The act of despising or showing no respect for someone or something, is the definition of contempt.

[Rosexøxø]

Well, if she believes it’s inferior.. then she has little recognition or appreciation for it, and may very well even disrespect what it truly holds. Therefore should be considered contemptuous. Maybe not entirely, but definitely in part. 🤷‍♀️

[OlderAndWiser]

There is nothing wrong with being proud of your country but Europeans always resent Americans who are proud of our country.

[RavVid]

I don't think so. Peter the Great agreed with you so that is a quite a good authority for you to rely upon. If he hadn't agreed he would not have to gone to France to pinch as much of your culture as he could.

A lot of Europe - including Britain - was always pinching stuff from France.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Said like this, yes it sounds contemptuous, especially from a French lol, since you're reinforcing this cliché about chauvinism. What legitimate tools would you use to measure civilizations here? Good luck because whatever measurement system you'll come up with will clash with Anthropology.

[Julie4]

the Russians élite who speak French, even the great Catherine II of Russia had French intellectuals at her court, they even imitated the French court, etc. The reverse is not true. What's more, for most of our history we have been richer and more developed than Russia.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

That copy-and-paste of a previous comment of yours is not really relevant here...

[Julie4]

Flemme to rewrite. You have written on what I base to claim that. I replied. Whether you like my answer or not is not really my problem.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

It's not really that I dislike it, it's that I don't see what it brings to the table. You're cherry picking some guys speaking french at a court, you don't define development, what richness. Then you repackage that into an alleged superiority while disregarding other fields of soft science. You asked if your opinion was contemptuous, I said yes. Now I can add that this opinion is not only contemptuous, it's also unfounded, so far.

[Julie4]

Just because you don't understand an answer doesn't mean it's unfounded.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

ça doit être ça oui, j'ai dû oublier d'allumer mon écran, ciao 🫡

[Julie4]

Sorry, you know everything, and you understand everything, don't you? Sorry, Professor, I'll give you a detailed answer tomorrow, and you can correct my copy.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

C'est ça, encore des copies, toujours des copies. Vivement les vacances d'été

[Julie4]

I apologise for my rather aggressive responses last night, I took your answers to be mépris

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Excuses acceptées, sans aucun problème :)
Ca m'arrive de temps en temps d'être perçu comme méprisant, et des fois je le suis vraiment! Mais là non, je ne l'étais pas. J'ai juste trouvé dommage que tu ne saisisses pas l'opportunité de relativiser cette idée de supériorité des civilisations

[Julie4]

You mustn't write in French here, because they'll delete your comments lol.

I wasn't talking about civilisation. If I was talking about civilization, I would have talked about the West.

I was making a comparison between two states. And by wealth and development, I was obviously talking about GDP. You know, there have been a lot of studies and research on this subject.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I have this impression I can use french, in moderation, and get away with it lol

Hmmm if you didn't talk about civilizations then I have a new problem! Decorrelating History from Economy, okay, these are three separated fields of study. But then what does that mean when you're saying that, historically speaking, Russia is inferior because they were, economically speaking, inferior? You see my point, there are two different fields mixing here

[Julie4]

A richer country means that it's more developed etc., and I'm not just talking about economics.

When you make comparisons, you have to use criteria.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Okay, let's try another angle, what is History of a country to you? What does it encompass?

[Julie4]

History of a country, to me, is the comprehensive narrative of how a nation and its people have evolved over time. It encompasses several interconnected dimensions.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

That may explain our disagreement then, the definition I have is: A record or narrative description of past events. So, being superior means registering more events in a list.

[Julie4]

If I understand correctly, our difference in perception is therefore fundamental. Because you are destroying the very principle of nationhood

If history is just a list of unconnected events, then there is no coherent 'national narrative'. A nation becomes just a territory where things happened.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

It's a big difference indeed, because to me, a national narrative isn't History, it's a political tool making use of History, not to study it, but to achieve political goals instead. Like a state would use a narrative to unite people around the same flag for example.

[Julie4]

I don't agree, or at least you're half right.

You are basically a citizen of the world lol but as De Maistre wrote

" there is no man in the world. In my life I have seen Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, etc.; I even know, thanks to Montesquieu, that you can be Persian: but as for man, I declare that I have never met him in my life, and if he exists, it is without my knowledge. "

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Citizen of the world? Yes, just a little, and also really not:

Biologically speaking. I'm a man, which is nothing more, nothing less than you, I'm walking and dying on earth. I'm a citizen of the world, of this planet yes.

Culturally speaking. I'm the product of my environment, whatever I do, I have lived in France for 4 decades+ it affects me deeply. My thoughts, my reactions, my demeanor, these languages I'm using to talk to you, everything is conditioning me. I'm not a citizen of the world, no, I'm the sum of what French culture did to me.

Administratively speaking. My ID card makes me a French, I can go freely to anywhere Schengen Area without worrying. But as soon as I go beyond this space, I'll be arrested if I don't show the required papers. I'm not a citizen of the world, no, I'm a French citizen, de facto.

[D_Bone_Steak]

No... they both had vikings ram their junk into you buttholes.

You know you like seeing an Asian lick a hairy pussy

[Dongie]

😂 that I do brother! 🤣

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Dongie I do too! I can't help it, but this question brought my Nord superiority out. Black people want to complain about being slaves... Well... shit... my ancestors enslaved those people long before they got their mits on them. I'm the fucker white people want reparations for, but they don't ask because they know they won't get it. Which is true. I can't help it, I'm fucking ubermench. 😂

[Dongie]

I fuckin love the Norsemen! Ahead of their time, they were!!

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Dongie https://youtu.be/ARnBgW5XgSo?si=8EWQvBmxK0xNkLbs

[Dongie]

That's bad assed! I just was introduced to Rammstein a month ago. My heritage hails from either Bavaria or right down south of there in Switzerland. I also love Germany. My dad told me when I was in my teens or early 20s that the Vikings and most Europeans came from the Germanic Barbarians.

[slatyb]

How can one country's history be inferior to another's? It makes sense to look at the history of both and think about the causes. People are pretty much the same everywhere, but circumstances change. Why did the French revolution come so early compared with the Russian revolution, and why were the outcomes so different?

[AviatorTom]

Both countries have long and interesting histories, with both good and bad times. Are Peter the Great and Napoleon Bonaparte really that different?

@Julie4, you are French, and it's only natural to consider one's country as being more important than another country.

So, it's not contemptuous, just understandable.

[Iron_Man]

France is rich in tradition very classy, very traditional landmarks Russia can’t compete with that no way

[Julie4]

I mean, of course, Russia also has a great history and it was a very powerful country. But it can't be compared to France, England or the USA.

[Iron_Man]

Yes.. Thank you so much. You know how I love France I’m always building your country up

[Julie4]

🇫🇷🇺🇲

[Iron_Man]

Aww nice 😊

[Julie4]

Yeah 😊

[Iron_Man]

I enjoy talking to you today

[Julie4]

Yes me too , moi aussi mon ami 😊

[Iron_Man]

c'était un plaisir de vous parler

[rtj1211]

No, it's your opinion. Does not mean it's true, doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you.

Russian history is not dependent on your badge of approval, you may be amazed to learn...

[Syntosi]

Dont really care. That is not an objective opinion but your subjective taste which you are perfectly entitled to. Does not mean you are right or wrong, just that your opinion does not matter.

[NaultD]

Yes.

History is just what happened. It's weird to give it a grade like a movie critic.

[NathanDavis]

it's snobby... but very Parisian of you... lmao

[Julie4]

Omg 🤣 for me it's not snobbish because I recognise that Russia has a great history, and a rich culture, just that I don't put it on the same level as France

[NathanDavis]

to me, it is all subjective...

[Curmudgeon]

Depends upon what you mean. I do see the history of Russia as much more tragic, compared to France. (Not that France has not had its share of tragedy, far from it, but you get the idea.)

[Cormac995]

No that's just factual. Russians as a rule of thumb are gross savages with few exceptions. Every Russian soldier killed by Ukraine is a net gain for humanity.

[WellBye]

Think whatever you want, Russians don't really care what the French think anyway

[Anonymous]

Look at where both countries are today

France is a colony of the American empire full of people who let their country be overrun by migrants while acting absurdly culturally chauvinistic towards other European countries and America

Russia is a truly independent country with much more stable demographics that has shaken the American empire to its core

[Anonymous]

Not sure but the French or francs came from Russia. Crimea was founded as a greek city long before the roman empire. Some of the oldest civilisations are in Russia

[SmokinAces2000]

It makes you goofy to even be comparing your countries history to another’s.

[Staximus]

I'm sure the Russians feel the same way about their country's history as you do about yours haha

[Julie4]

Yes, but the Russians are wrong

[Staximus]

Well anybody can say their country's history is greater than some other country's history just based on personal preference and bias. Do you think any other country has a superior history compared to France?

[Julie4]

To say that France has historically been richer and more developed than Russia is a subjective opinion, or is it confirmed by historical research?

To say that it was the Russians who spoke French (historically) who took the French court as a model, who wanted French intellectuals in their court, who also copied classical French architecture for their châteaux and other buildings, and that the reverse is not true, is this a subjective opinion or is it confirmed by the facts?

[Staximus]

Well are you going to answer the question or not

[Staximus]

We don't know what those Ruskies or the French were doing 2000 years ago so there's that

[Julie4]

Yes Einstein, but nobody is talking about 2 thousand years ago simply because France and Russia did not exist.

[Staximus]

You still have not answered my question

[Staximus]

Whatever dude, you can have your deflated pancakes

[Julie4]

Yes girl , you can objectively consider countries to be historically superior to France. But certainly not Russia.

[Staximus]

My question was "do you think any other country has a superior history compared to France"

[Julie4]

Yes...

[Staximus]

I know that was difficult but you'll be alright

[Julie4]

I've answered your question, and since you weren't expecting this answer, you're answering something a bit childish.

[Staximus]

That was supposed to be funny you turkey

[RyanEC]

They both had their fair share of ups and downs and dramatic events.

[Julie4]

The big difference is that it's the Russians who speak French, even the great Catherine II of Russia had French intellectuals at her court, they even imitated the French court. The reverse is not true. What's more, for most of our history we have been richer and more developed than Russia.

And this was also true in other European countries.

[RyanEC]

Yes France has always been at the center of European culture while Russia has always been on the periphery.
Russia tried to copy Versailles at the winter palace in St. Petersburg, but I don’t know the French copying anything from Russia.

[alice55]

Not wrong not all country history are good or interesting comparing to another.

[Twalli]

As a historian, I would say it's due to lack of knowledge.

[Julie4]

🤣🤣

[Twalli]

Do you want a picture of my degree?
I've studied both histories and they're both interesting. Russia is very large, and was larger in the past. A nation doesn't get that large without a history that is pretty fascinating.

[genericname85]

it's not "contemtuous". it's your opinion. can't argue with opinions and everyone can have threirs.

[QuietRunner]

"Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations", should apply here

If you want to have an opinion and thought that is your own, do it and don't worry about what others think. Just don't invade Russian because of those thoughts.

[Xawyx-2]

No, it's just wrong and shows ignorance about history.

[Communicationisking]

I would have to assume your french so yes.

[MemeSupreme]

i guess it depends on the why lol

[Sal_Monella]

Trying to care. Don't.

[jahaims]

When you try to feel smart and important

[DrPepper12]

Depends on your reasons

[Dongie]

No, especially if you are French.

[Tom567456]

Yes Astrrix and Obelix right 😊

[Julie4]

How do you know Asterix and Obelix? Haha

[Tom567456]

I lived in France (Paris and Nice) forever (my stepfather's French). I love BD too 😎

[Julie4]

Very interesting, what country are you from? I use the phone app, this kind of info isn't available on the gag app lol

[Tom567456]

USA but I know Paris better than Boston (city I live in now). You are from Bordeaux? I maybe thinking of someone else, sorry if so 😂

[Julie4]

Yeah im from Bordeaux haha

[Tom567456]

I've heard it's beautiful 😊

[Julie4]

Well it's not just a rumour, it's true haha

[Tom567456]

😂😂😂

[KostasKouvalis]

It's TRUE 😂

[seeyounexttuesday]

no one cares.

[Justagirl29]

Nope