Is religion just a maga-making-machine, now?

[Anonymous]

IRS just filed in court a lawsuit to allow churches and other places of worship to endorse political candidates while still keeping their tax free status.

Is this less freedom of speech and more dictator moves?

oops too much gas

(July 2025 since gag does not date)

Yes

No

It's complicated

[lightbulb27]

another thing I disagree with, in this case the court. Church should not be endorsing candidates! I nearly puked in church when I heard church supporting Bush because he held a bible in his hand. good grief.

pastorts and leaders should be allowed to speak freely, but I'm part of a church and they have no business saying I support someone I don't.

[shmeed]

They should be allowed to. People want Candidates who have the same values as them and if those candidates don't have the same moral values they should know this not to say they can't vote for them but they need to know if they go against their religious beliefs. By not allowing this to occur does go against freedom of speech.

[leahzrc]

God is all powerful and Jesus saves. Not these machines.

[vj0090]

See your inbox?

[Avicenna]

You do know that there are plenty of leftists who belong to a religion, right? There is a huge network of black churches that work hand in glove with elements of the Democratic Party apparatus- it’s them who got Obama in 2008 nominated and especially Biden in 2020.

[Asker]

First part is just a sore jab. And the second is prob true. But if you paid attention the question is really about keeping a law that allows one space for all to gather that is manipulation free.

[Avicenna]

„Manipulation free“? LMAO. I don’t support allowing churches to endorse candidates, but how exactly is that „a dictator move“?

[goaded]

Well, I don't suppose ICE is targeting Westboro Baptist Church with their new-found instructions to go to schools, hospitals and churches, do you?

[Avicenna]

@goaded: Go see a mental health professional- your pathological fascination with another country’s legal efforts to deport the over 10 million illegal invaders trafficked in by the criminal gang known as the Democrats is beyond insane.

[goaded]

If it were just criminals, nobody would have a problem. It's the ripping apart of peaceful communities for nothing but the sake of hate that's the problem. And people like you who know how this sort of behaviour ends up and support it anyway.

[Avicenna]

@goaded: True to form, you’re gaslighting everyone. Leftists have repeatedly gone berserk over attempts to deport the worst criminals and have attempted to impede them in any way they could (including at times physical). You have not criticized these actions by your fellow leftists- if anything, you support them.

Everyone who is in the US illegally is subject to deportation and has no right to live and work in the US. You’ve implied that enforcing bipartisan US immigration laws is something only Nazis would do. Nothing could be further from the truth- a Nazi illegal killed at least one and injured well over 10 Jews in Colorado earlier this year, and there are many more illegals who similarly hate Jews, illegals that the previous administration illegally trafficked in and ones you want to stay.

It’s also false to term, for example, a business that employed a child sexual predator who was in the US illegally along with around a dozen minors in the country who were also working there illegally a “peaceful community”. Leftists fought to prevent ICE action which rescued these minors, who had been trafficked in and lost by the Biden Administration. The same with many other instances.

No foreigner, which you are, has any business telling the people of the US that they’re Nazis for enforcing the country’s own immigration laws. This manipulation on your part is to achieve your goal of destroying the US with unlimited numbers of illegal invaders. Furthermore, you have refused to condemn the sexual assault illegals have committed in the country you claim to live in.

As you know, I’m descended from Holocaust survivors. It could not be more false to liken their suffering as German citizens resident in Germany during the Nazi era with the illegal presence, employment, and other illegal activities of illegals in the US today.

[goaded]

No, you're the one who's "true to form". That's a pack of lies.

[Ariesman81]

Churches aren't allowed free speech? Not allowing them to voice an opinion would seem... oppressive.

[Asker]

Laws containing this were put in place with the design to keep public trust. A separate space for all. Without it manipulation is free to breed.

[contentious]

You Nazis sure do love hating on the Jews and Christians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amCLDkRWEWc

[contentious]

You just have to silence the Bible scholars and Juden right?

[OneViewpoint]

It opens the door for the wealthy to exploit religion directly for unlimited tax free donations to political candidates. As if they were having any trouble bribing politicians or controlling elections in the first place.

[Lynx122]

Religion has always been shady af, especially in the U. S.

[Anonymous]

It should have ALWAYS been this way. The "Johnson" Amendment, to end this, was just plain EVIL. This allows churches to more fully express the scriptures of the Bible, and the differences between right and wrong. FAR more Christians need to be prompted to vote, and vote the proper way

[236color]

American white Christianity is a MAGA making machine. Religion as a whole is not.

[Avicenna]

James Clyburn would like a word with you.,,,

[236color]

@Avicenna James Clyburn is an African American, Democratic member of the House of Representatives. Now I may be missing something here, did he say something relevant on the subject?
This is the second time you've expressed disagreement/distance for an opinion of mine. I'm obviously liberal and I assume you aren't. I have to say, on both occasions, your complaints have been a little confusing. Previously, you said I viewed things through a delusional lens because when as about whether or not Trump would order bombing of Iran, I said I was unsure because there were conflicting influences at play, and that I thought it was better if he didn't. Now I did express the belief that one of those influences was Putin. Maybe that's what set you off, but that wasn't clear from your reply. So, would you care to clarify either position, or are you just pissed because you don't agree with me politically?

[Avicenna]

I don’t remember the previous exchange, but it is indeed delusional to claim Putin controls Trump, if that’s what you were saying (something along those lines is a frequent leftist talking point).

Here I give you Clyburn‘s church-based political network as a much more accurate example of churches being involved in politics. Furthermore, to claim that all white Christians have the same politics is absurd.

[goaded]

I'm sure they'll have a fit over Catholic churches and Mosques talking politics.

[genericname85]

i mean if they get tax excempts while also being allowed to support political candidates, that would be quite corrupt and anti secular.

[Anonymous]

some churches endorse liberal candidates

why are some users so adamant that churches would only endorse conservative candidates?

[michol123]

I don't know, maga sees Jesus as woke now they would likely deport him to a torture prison without a second thought

[seeyounexttuesday]

How is allowing churches to speak a restriction on free speech

[Asker]

Check the laws. Put in place 70 years ago to stop all manipulation and allow a space for public trust.

[seeyounexttuesday]

You know laws can be found unconstitutional, right? Hope this helps you figure it out.

[shortster]

It was always a violation of the first amendment for the state to say they can't talk about politics.

[JohnathanK]

If lobby groups can speak out publicity, and keep their tax free status, I see don't see why churches shouldn't be allowed either

[goaded]

"In general, no organization may qualify for section 501(c)(3) status if a substantial part of its activities is attempting to influence legislation (commonly known as lobbying)."

[JohnathanK]

@goaded Yes that correct. However foreign lobby groups get away with it, then church shouldn't be different.

[TwoToTooTutu2]

No, there are plenty of woke, super leftist church denominations.

[CubaPirate]

Well it's definitely a form of social control

[Anonymous]

i dunno. but I sure do see a lot of you anti-Trumpers that hate religion.

[TadBehaya]

Religions and world doesn't revolve around Trump

[supercutebutt]

Religions are cults, just like MAGA.

[DrPepper12]

Yes. It's the Christo-fascist plan of decades

[melis765]

I didn't think much about it

[Anonymous]

Religion is always a crap-making machine.

[Bunnybuny]

Always was

[BarryLiverstone]

Nope

[beefcakebradybatson]

Mostly.