So, at least 3 babies dead in another school shooting..."thoughts & prayers" (they were praying)... any other solutions?

[Anonymous]

https://www.masslive.com/news/2025/08/shooting-at-a-minneapolis-catholic-school-leaves-3-dead-including-the-shooter-and-17-injured.html

[Chazmatazz269]

I’m in favor of mental health evaluations being added to the list of checks required before purchasing a firearm. I also think ongoing evaluations should be the norm. I think Japan and Switzerland have similar laws. Switzerland and Canada are both good examples for gun control reforms. Both have relatively high gun ownership rates and relatively low gun crime by comparison.
The problem is that this issue is managed almost exclusively by extremists on both sides. The democrats want to exclusively disarm law abiding citizens so that the violent criminals they sympathize with have easy access to vulnerable victims. The gun nutz want the wild west, where everyone can just gun down everyone else for the faintest perceived slights.
Both groups have been shouting so loudly for so long that nobody even notices the sensible suggestions coming from moderates, gun owners and not.

[Twalli]

According to the GOP we shouldn't talk gun policy after a shooting and when there isn't a shooting, there's no need, because clearly the system we have in place is working.

[Asker]

And round and round we go! Look at the comments from all the MAGATS who think the "violent trannies" are the problem. They refuse to face reality or offer any real solutions. Our Allies figured it FAST!!!

[Avicenna]

Leftists can never give anything close to a satisfactory reason why the legions of law abiding firearms owners should give up their firearms. Knucklehead Tim Walz was asked two years ago to provide security for the school, but the request was ignored.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to provide armed police officers to every school instead of trying to ensure that only criminals have firearms, which would sure result in an increase in muggings and home invasions.

[Twalli]

@Avicenna Well, that takes armed police officers away from areas that they currently are to stop crime in those areas.

[Avicenna]

How many school resource officers are needed? It’s a minute percentage of a police force, especially in urban areas. Do maybe they have to hire some more cops.

Your excuse is so incredibly weak it’s clear you just want to take all firearms away from law-abiding people, regardless of the consequences.

[Twalli]

@Avicenna hiring more cops and training them correctly isn't an issue I have, but that comes out of your taxes, so if you want more cops, I'm sure you're willing to pay more in taxes to pay them and pay for their training. Meanwhile if you want them deployed to schools immediately, we'll see an increase in crime in the areas they were while new cops are being trained to take over their areas. Meanwhile you are paying more and all you see from it for a while is an increase in crime.

[goaded]

@Avicenna There's over 100,000 schools in the US. There are 720,652 full-time law enforcement officers employed in the United States. I expect you'll say I'm a communist liar for pointing out these facts. As usual.

[Anonymous]

But was the shooter an immigrant? That's the only way that 50% of America actually cares about kids dying.

[Asker]

You're are absolutely correct... unfortunately!

[Olivier24]

We need to figure out why we have so many angry people that want to kill people.

[OneViewpoint]

It's just another day of Making America Great Again. I'm pretty sure more guns are the answer though. Just like every other school shooting. MAGA for the win!

[Dongie]

Why do you condemn "maga" for this? Do you not know there are deranged psychotic killers across the political scale? Do you contend there has not been any mass murders from your side? What do you know of the shooter that is fact and not just wishful thinking? Also, you may want to adjust the smug moral mask you're wearing! It doesn't match your parties stance on the life of unborn or just born children!!

[Twalli]

Why do you all think abortion allows killing after birth?

[Anonymous]

only one solution required. STOP DEMONIZING PEOPLE FOR HAVING DIFFERENT BELIEFS THAN YOU. The end. There are more guns than people inside the country, so it's clearly not the guns that are the problem. I have stated the solution. Let me know when it's on the table for discussion.

[slatyb]

In other countries, citizens are unable to obtain the weapons needed to perpetrates such killings. Consequently, they don't experience such mass murders.

[Twalli]

Australia did and outlawed guns, haven't had one since.

[Avicenna]

Ever bother to think what would happen if only criminals had guns and knew law abiding people could never be armed?

[Twalli]

@Avicenna Well let's look at two places where guns are illegal like Japan and Australia. Hardly any gun deaths and no mass shootings. Sounds like it works pretty well.

[Avicenna]

@Twalli: It’s really intellectual lazy to cite two other societies very different from ours and simply assume the results can be the same. That damages your credibility.

When we start looking at facts, we begin to see why your claim doesn’t stand up to the most minute scrutiny:

phys.org/news/2025-08-gun-ownership-australia.html

There are more privately owned firearms in Australia now than before restrictions went into effect in the 1990s. That means that firearms aren’t illegal there.

[Twalli]

@Avicenna Japan with thriving organized crime. Hardly any guns.

[Avicenna]

@Twalli : Japan has very low crime in in general, so there isn’t the same need for firearm ownership for self-defense like in the US. Japan is also an island nation, unlike the US and its demographics and society are very different than ours.

I’m not sure what weapons the Yakuza have in Japan, but it’s irrelevant because Japan has low levels of crime.

[goaded]

@Avicenna The "need for firearm ownership for self-defense" is because everybody else has guns!

[Twalli]

@goaded so you need a gun because everyone else does? However, if we made guns illegal then everyone else wouldn't have a gun and we wouldn't need it.

[goaded]

@Twalli I don't, because I live in countries that aren't swimming in them. It's better that way.

Apparently, you can own an AR-15 or similar in the UK, but you'd have to spend years building up to it without showing any signs you might use it on people. Even the police don't get guns without psych evaluation, and even then there's a lower age limit, iirc.

[Avicenna]

@goaded: It’s because criminals can injure or kill you. For example- imagine a smaller woman living alone and there’s a home invasion by a violent convict. She has little to no chance of fighting him off with her hands, but her chances are much better if she has a firearm. Furthermore, if criminals don’t know if you’re armed, they are much less likely to attack you.

Law abiding people being armed reduces crime. Note that mass shooters go after soft targets where they know no one is armed.

[Avicenna]

„Everyone“ should not be armed- criminals and the mentally ill definitely should not be. Nor should illegals.

[goaded]

@Avicenna "imagine a smaller woman living alone and there’s a home invasion by a violent convict" I can imagine that. I can't see any evidence of it happening regularly, if at all. Show me a news article of it happening. Preferably after 2000. Does it happen in other countries?

Did you consider that stronger doors, windows and locks could be an effective passive solution? Best of all, they even work when you're not at home, which is when any half-way sane criminal will try to break in.

[Twalli]

@goaded shown by the fact that most criminals breaking jn will leave if anyone is home.

[Twalli]

@goaded shown by the fact that most criminals breaking in will leave if anyone is home. Most people breaking into houses are not violent, they don't want violence

[Avicenna]

@goaded: You and @Twalli have everyone laughing at you. And the default leftist love of violent criminals is on display from both of you.

It's also typical for leftists to pretend something doesn't happen when in fact it does, and quite often. Just because you want to pretend it does, doesn't mean the rest of us are willing to take leave of our senses when we know better. Furthermore, not only do you never back up the nonsense you post, you never accept facts presented to you that show your bizarre claims are wrong, so stop pretending your mind is open to facts and reason.

Twalli- you're welcome to provide evidence of the fact you're claiming, but even if it is accurate, that still leaves a lot of home invasions occurring when someone is home. And that someone is unlikely to be able to fight off a burglar/invader who has the element of surprise unless they can use a firearm.

[goaded]

@Avicenna Maybe among people who think "sleepy Joe" is the height of wit. You still claim I meant a constitutional amendment to ban gerrymandering would consist of two words: "ban gerrymandering", and that a constitutional amendment can be unconstitutional. You're a joke.

In the USA, 21 people accidentally shot themselves to death this month alone.

Here's a real comedian ripping your argument to shreds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4

[slatyb]

@goaded It's typical of gun nuts to deny the data and spout nonsense like "guns don't kill people". Other countries have mentally ill men, they all do, but they don't commit mass shootings because they can't walk into a gun store and purchase an assault rifles.

[Twalli]

@Avicenna Most people aren't constantly armed. So having a gun jn thr house won't help if the invader has the element of surprise.

[FunkyMonkee]

How's this for a solution? Before you're allowed to buy a guy, you have to go through a FULL psychological evaluation!! If the shrink doesn't think you should have a gun, you can't get one!

[Avicenna]

First if all, all schools need armed security. Second, we have a problem with mentally ill trans attacking Christian schools.

[Twalli]

Yes because clearly all school shootings were with mentally ill Trans kids as the perpetrators. (Sarcasm)

[Avicenna]

@Twalli: Well, it’s happened st least twice since 2023.

[Twalli]

And the multiple school shootings starting with Columbine?

[Avicenna]

@Twalli: You’re welcome to analyze them. I suspect you’ll find a general pattern of mental illness.

[Twalli]

Mental illness is vague, people would consider an ASD mental illness.

[Avicenna]

@Twalli: The mental illnesses the school shooters suffered from weren’t vague in the least. But pretending that trans aren’t suffering from mental illness is also part of the denial.

[CaptainSmartass]

@Twalli Could you please not mention ASD in this context? It's really offensive.

[Twalli]

@CaptainSmartass How? I don't see it as a mental illness. That would mean I have one.

[CaptainSmartass]

@Twalli I'm saying not to refer to it in the sense of school shootings, or any other serious crime. It makes us look like unhinged criminals.

[seeyounexttuesday]

It's time to bring the violent trans community to heel.

[IamRight]

Best answer

[Asker]

Interesting comment... since we now know he was a white nationalist POS armed with guns and magazines inscribed with anti-Semitic, anti-Black and anti-Hispanic statements. Would be hard money that was a MAGAT too!

[seeyounexttuesday]

It's the left that's anti semitic. But you get a cookie for trying hard.

[Asker]

He's one of yours... a true patriot. Trump would have appointed him to a cabinet position.

[seeyounexttuesday]

No one that I know is a tranny that writes “kill trump” on his magazine.

[Asker]

You sure their weren't any trannies over running the US capitol and shooting at cops on Jan. 6 when your Fuhrer tried to overthrow the government the first time?

[seeyounexttuesday]

Not a single cop was shot on Jan 6. Try again with your bullshit.

[IamRight]

Fuhrer? Asker, are you a German socialist or something?

[Asker]

@IamRight No... just speaking in terms that you understand.

[Asker]

Yeah, it was just a peaceful protest. Your Dear Leader will keep trying to rewrite what happened. Also, there was no Holocaust, and slaves loved slavery... blah, blah, blah...

[seeyounexttuesday]

I think you have a problem with normal thinking. Was your mom an alcoholic when she was pregnant?

[IamRight]

Asker, you can try to write English.
And yes, Jan 6th was a peaceful protest.
The only people trying to rewrite what happened that day is leftists.
There was a Holocaust, it was done by leftists who called themself German national socialists, populary shortened down to nazis.
Slaves didn’t love slavery, but thankfully the Republicans helped American slaves gain their freedom. And there was no party switch no matter how much leftards like to claim otherwise.

[Asker]

I think the violent white nationalists need to go first, but, in your mind, they are true patriots who should be allowed to overrun the Capitol any time they get pissed...

[Twalli]

@seeyounexttuesday that would be a goid plan if it had any relationship to this case, which it doesn't njr does it have any connection to schools shootings at all.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Twalli completely false statement

[Twalli]

Your's yes. Mine, not so much.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Twalli Reality disagrees with you. Once again.

[Twalli]

And only schools are places of mass shootings? Also what source are you using? Some research polls are more accurate than others. Finally, in no way does it say who perpetrated these acts, maybe that's mass shooting rates against them.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Twalli you understand a tranny killed children yesterday and your response is to defend the tranny. You're fuckin warped, man.

[Twalli]

People are killed every day. Unless you want to become a hot mess, you have to focus on killings that matter to you. I know nobody living in or around there. This, while it is sad I am not as worried or focused on it as opposed to if happening here or somewhere else where my loved ones live.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Twalli So you're fine with the left inciting violence.

[Avicenna]

Asker, the trans shooter did indeed hate Jews, but he was very specific about his hatred for Jews who support Israel, which is a hatred mostly found among leftists these days. He also hated Trump (and made that clear with inscriptions“, which is also consistent with being leftist.

www.yahoo.com/.../...ooter-had-anti-203957368.html

He‘s clearly not a Trump supporter, so it’s very dishonest and delusional to suggest he was.

[Twalli]

Says a person who probably has no problem with people trying to overthrow the government.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Twalli holy fuck that was a stupid reply. Even for you.

[Twalli]

That you supported the attempt to violently overthrow the government on January 6, 2021.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Twalli how is that even remotely relevant to the epidemic of trans violence? But if we want to play whataboutism, you supported the George Floyd riots. Exponentially more violent and destructive than Jan 6.

[Avicenna]

@Twalli: There wasn’t any attempt to overthrow the government on that date. You’re showing your leftist totalitarianism there.

I’d advise you to be particularly careful of accusing people of supporting attempts to overthrow the US government unless you have done serious evidence of that.

[Avicenna]

* some

[Twalli]

@Avicenna so what do you call breaking into a seat of government to disrupt their confirmation of a transfer of power?

[Avicenna]

@Twalli: Does that really sound like an attempt to „overthrow the US government“ to you? Do you think some protestors could have taken over the government when there were over a million active duty troops? You have done idea how vast the federal government is- overthrow means taking control- do you honestly think some protestors could do that?

The claim your making is ridiculous.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Avicenna He's not that bright. Like most of them.

[Twalli]

@Avicenna The >1 million active troops weren't there, so that means they weren't much help either way. As for taking control, you'd be surprised what can happen if a number of leaders are killed, which seemed to be their plan. Not a lot of ambiguity in chanting "Hang Mike Pence". Fleeing The Capitol shows an amount of fear that peaceful protests typically do not elicit. Plus, with a green light from Trump, the only person legally able to deploy troops, it wouldn't be that hard to ensure that they were not in position to stop it.

[Avicenna]

@Twalli: You obviously don’t know anything about the military if you think only Trump can issue commands, especially in the event of an attempted overthrow of the government.

If you think there was a plan to „kill leaders“, you need a lot more evidence than what you provided. And the idea that a bunch of protestors could take over and exert control over something as vast as the US government and society is laughable.

How long do you think it would take the 82nd Airborne to get there? Think the protestors could fight them off?

[Twalli]

@Avicenna The president or acting president is the only one who can deploy troops, Congress is the only branch that can declare war. So, before the military could be deployed, Trump would have to be declared unable to govern.

[Avicenna]

@Twalli: You’ve forgotten about the National Guard. And I’m sure no one is going to punish a commander who responded to an actual insurrection.

„Declaring a President unable to govern“ with the 25th Amendment unlikely to happen in the insurrection scenario (Congress not being available for Section 4).

[Twalli]

@Avicenna They were there and mobilized and didn't move in because they didn't have the command to do so.

[IamRight]

We should hold the violent trans community for their violence

[Asker]

His name was Robin Westman... white nationalist POS! Definitely not a violent tranny... and I wouldn't give a fuck if he was. Glad he's gone!

[IamRight]

Good on you for using the term tranny, leftards don’t like that word.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@IamRight I think the asker gets the "retard of the day" award for yesterday.

[Asker]

@seeyounexttuesday And you get the "Insensitive Asshole Who Doesn't Give A Fv<k About Babies Being Constantly Slaughtered In American Schools Of The Day Award"...

[IamRight]

No asker, @seeyounexttuesday gets the "Awesome person of the day" award.
And Asker, if you can try stop being stupid for a moment, babies constantly slaughtered in American schools? BABIES are too young to be in school. You will find more babies in early stages of development die due to abortions than from being murdered at schools.

[IamRight]

@seeyounexttuesday Yes he absolutely got that retard of the day reward yesterday

[seeyounexttuesday]

@IamRight looks like he's jockeying for a 2 in a row streak.

[IamRight]

@seeyounexttuesday yep

[Asker]

Jesus Christ! Do they even have schools or even libraries where you're from? Stop embarrassing yourself!

[Twalli]

@IamRight your username name is as wrong as your answer.

[IamRight]

Asker yes we have schools and even libraries here. Did you know that babies become toddlers when they turn 1? Kids usually start school when they are around 5-6 years old. So no, not many babies are likely to get slaughtered at schools.

@Twalli both my username and answer is right.

[Twalli]

I'm sure there are times you are right. There are times Trump is too, they're decreasing, but not completely gone yet.
Now if your name is about your political views, than I would agree 100%.

[Avicenna]

asker, the shooter was a trans, it’s a fact, as were his mental health problems and the fact he turned out to be violent. How do you conclude he was a „white nationalist“, whatever that is?

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Avicenna He's been listening to Rosie ODonnel
x.com/Alphafox78/status/1961425261116756342

[Avicenna]

@seeyounexttuesday: Clearly. He certainly can’t think for himself.

[IamRight]

@Avicenna Asker, since you gave that pink anon MHO and wrote she unfortunately is correct, I take you believe that the people who are not pro-life needs to know if the perpetrator is a immigrant or not to care about kods dying unlike prolifers who thinks all abortions are murder no matter if they are natives or immigrants.

[Avicenna]

We can tell what the asker is all about from his huge paper trail here on GAG.

[Ariesman81]

Shooter was an anti religion tranny hell bent on inflicting as much devastation as possible. Nothing but God could have saved him.

[Twalli]

You have the right under the Constitution to hold incorrect beliefs and express them. I have the right to tell you that you are wrong and educate you.

[Ariesman81]

@Twalli

Yup

[Avicenna]

@Twalli: Very arrogant of you to think you know everything and have all the answers. Explains a lot about leftist control freaks.

[Twalli]

@Avicenna Not all of them. Start talking about particle physics and I probably won't be able to answer many questions you have regarding that.

[Anonymous]

Ban people with mental health issues ie gender dismorphia

[DrPepper12]

More guns!!! Everyone, every age, everywhere all the time!!! GUNS!! GUNS!! GUNS!!!

[CaptainSmartass]

Careful. You'll give every man in America a raging hard-on.

[DrPepper12]

Those frisky ammosexuals are always horny...

[Anonymous]

We need officers at our schools and metal detectors if they can afford it

[Pohjolan]

I have noticed that US school shootings are becoming less fatal.

Gen Z aren't exactly very good shots are they?

[CaptainSmartass]

Someone took advantage of the gun shop's Back To School sale...

Simples...

[msc545]

Well yes, but we all know guns are more important than kids to most people.

[Anonymous]

Ben democrats, this one was one of yours just like the slavers and nazis

[Twalli]

Conservatives were the past ones. So do away with the names, they don't mean anything. Conservatives and liberals. Nazis and southern slave owners were conservative. So if we're saying that this shooter is the sane, they're a conservative.

[Opinion Owner]

Keep believing the lies, they'll be sawing thee the molesters are right wing even Billy Bob Clinton

[Twalli]

Just saying the two democratic groups you mentioned were conservative. Not really up for debate, at least between anyone who isn't a historian (which I'm guessing you aren't one). I, however, am one and historians don't debate whether or not they're conservative, it's agreed that they were.

[Avicenna]

@Twalli : What a surprise- you’re a leftist who says there can be no debate!

„National Socialism“ says it all. You might want to look up Hitler‘s quote about his ideology (tue one where he says, „our socialism is national“, before smearing others.

[Twalli]

@Avicenna There can be debate, but much like disagreeing with a scientist about science just means you're wrong, disagreeing with a historian about history means the same thing. And did he describe what his socialism was? Really, the words used don't matter if you don't know their meaning. Just like you thought democrats were always liberal, when they weren't.

[Avicenna]

@Twalli: He certainly did describe it in the interview, plus we have the historical record. Furthermore, a number of my family members lived in Germany or nearby after leaving it during the Nazi era. I’ve also taught World History.

History is subject to interpretation, and historians certainly have their own biases. And certainly you’re aware of the „appeal to authority“ fallacy, right?

[Twalli]

@Avicenna I don't study Hitler, so I will admit I am not an expert on his works and speeches. I did have a passing interest in World War II for a while, but now I like looking at times at least 25 years before that at the latest. I can say that his actions do not meet with any definition of socialism I've ever read or heard of.

[Avicenna]

I‘d suggest looking into it with an open mind a bit more. Bug while we’re on the topic, what is your personal definition of socialism?

[Twalli]

@Avicenna in layman's terms, it levels the playing field. We all start out at the same level. Our education level is the same, so we all can enter higher education without a better education level than our peers. Personal growth and advancement are not goals; we all seek to elevate the community as a whole. This is all doable but can't actually be put into place without a massive paradigm shift, which I think I'd need to know game theory better to see how it could happen.

[Opinion Owner]

Socialism is defined as a crock only the young and foolish believe

[Avicenna]

@Twalli: Well, that‘s not what Socialism really is. Even taking that into account, what you’re suggesting is not only unrealistic but damaging.

[Twalli]

@Avicenna I'm pretty sure it can work. The Amish are mostly able to do it. Again, with game theory there's a way where it could work, but I don't know enough about game theory to use it for anything.

[Avicenna]

@Twalli: The Amish aren’t „socialist“- and their system only works because of 1) its small scale, and 2) everyone contributes, and 3) its private citizens, not government

[leahzrc]

Isn't it like the first day of school? Wtf?

[Twalli]

Second or third week, I think.

[leahzrc]

nonetheless, this is madness

[Miristheiss]

It was 2... did another die?