Is this our future for school shootings?

[OddBeMe]

Continuing to run towards the shooter as their training dictates, the officers were forced to step over a victim.

“I, to this day, don’t know how I did that morally,” said Mathes. “But training is what kicked in.”

The officers confronted the shooter, with Engelbert leading the way at the request of Collazo. None of the officers discussed the takedown of the shooter, citing the ongoing investigation.

Yes, we step over victims for no regulations on guns

No, we can have sensible safety regulations on guns that can save lives.

I don’t know because I have no balls

[Aerissa_Jade]

Sure, I'm all for that... no amount of deaths for the feeling of safety is worth giving up any freedoms.

It could be a million people a year killed by shooters and we should have zero gun regulations.

Instead maybe people would focus on society and what is causing the problems in the first place.

Literally on one wakes up one day and decides to go on a shooting rampage. Even the wild west that liberals often say would happen without gun regulations was not that bad.

People still had respect for life back then, even if dueling was a common way to resolve issues.

Something is creating mass shooters these days and it isn't access to guns.

[OddBeMe]

Sure, and every country has those people. We can’t get into peoples mind. So maybe regulate how quickly and easily they access death dealing weapons.

[Aerissa_Jade]

Naw, I think if people have to travel to buy a item, they should be able to take it home with them, not travel a second time to pick it up. Especially if it is a gun show, now you bought it but the show is over and you might have to travel 500 miles to pick it up.

Who the fuck is going to pay for missed time from work and the travel related expenses?

If those kind of barriers would put into place to vote, liberals would have a stroke. Have to travel twice to vote and hundreds of miles.

[OddBeMe]

No. Stop gap between wanting a gun and obtaining a gun.

[shi-shi]

Looking at news like this from outside of America

You really are a third world country huh

[OddBeMe]

Yes…not are best side

[shi-shi]

The gun stuff is insane to me, I literally cannot fathom how a child can have access to a gun.

Closest I ever knew of was one of my friends lived on a farm and her dad had like hunting rifle or something but none of us ever saw it

[Juxtapose]

We have actual free speech and aren't sitting ducks for our government.

[Juxtapose]

I will show you what happened to Australia after they were disarmed.

[Juxtapose]

Don't be a sucker.

[shi-shi]

Ok but police are stepping over the bodies of dying children during school shootings, worthwhile trade?

[OddBeMe]

@shi-shi It’s not. We don’t want China’s one party rule but guns don’t keep us safe or prevent political takeovers from corporations.

[Juxtapose]

Children dying is not because of guns, that is ludicrous. If people died because of guns then all of America would be dead since we have more guns than people.

If a person is going to kill, they are going to kill. You don't think the black market exists? You don't think they're going to find some other way to murder people?

[Juxtapose]

And you know what would have saved those children? Armed teachers.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose no they probably would have accidentally shot some students in melee.

[Juxtapose]

If they had no training whatsoever and were fucking idiots, then sure. It's not that hard to aim and shoot.

[shi-shi]

So in a country where trained police shoot unarmed civilians accidentally, you want to give a teacher a firearm in a classroom of children? For real?

[Juxtapose]

Oh spare me. These police officers are trained for less time than hairdressers, that's an easily correctable problem that has not been corrected due to astronomical laziness.

Yeah, I would. If somebody was coming into a room with a gun to kill you, would you rather be armed or unarmed?

[Juxtapose]

Have you ever stopped to think how dangerous everyday life is? You give us school bus driver the lives of all the children in the palm of their hands.

[Juxtapose]

*give the

[OddBeMe]

@shi-shi is 100% correct in that during actual shoot outs trained police hit their targets only 30% of the time.

[Juxtapose]

You obviously aren't familiar with how common friendly fire is in war, are you? You don't think I know this?

Would I take two or three more kids being shot by a teacher for the gunman to be killed and for many more children to be spared? Absolutely!

[Juxtapose]

An estimated 2% to 20% of all casualties in war are because of friendly fire.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose if you were in that school armed with all the melee and madness of running and screaming if you pulled a trigger you would be more likely shooting an innocent than the mass killer.

[Juxtapose]

You gotta break an egg to make an omelet 🤷‍♂️

[Juxtapose]

Would you rather be armed or unarmed if you knew a gunman was coming towards you to kill you?

[shi-shi]

Asking a teacher to take the life of a child, even if it's in defence of their students, is insane to me. Wouldn't it be better to just take the guns out of people's hands?

[Juxtapose]

Did you not see that picture of what happened to Australia shi?

If you're so concerned about human life, how about you ban driving? How about you ban alcohol and tobacco? Because we all know how well that shit goes.

And I bet you that trying to disarm a population that loves their guns and has more guns than people would totally not result in a civil war or anything 🥴 Are you insane?

The USA is never going to be like Japan. Japan is the way it is because of their social conditioning.

[OddBeMe]

Yes but how we do it is important. It needs to be democratic and open.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose you have gone insane

[Juxtapose]

What a compelling argument, you totally refuted my points bro! 🤣

[Juxtapose]

None of you are answering me when I ask you if you would rather be armed or unarmed with a gunman coming to kill you regardless.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose it’s no use if you keep flopping around

[shi-shi]

@Juxtapose because that's a pointless question worded specifically to follow your line of reasoning. Would you rather be attacked by a man holding a gun or a man holding nothing?
Would you rather you both be armed or both be disarmed? Dumb hypotheticals that don't mean anything

[OddBeMe]

They do that a lot. False dichotomies.

[Stoner710]

Well you can’t get rid of runs without getting rid of the constitution. Remember the government it’s self are not supposed to be more heavily armed than the people. So if the government is allowed to have an F-150 your average citizen has to be able to buy an F-150.

the solution to school shooting is armed guards. Think we protect our banks our congress men our news organizations with armed security. Celebrities have armed guards protecting them all the time. Why not our students? Tennessee just pasted a bill to put armed guards outside all schools in the state.

[goaded]

How is Tennessee going to pay for that?

[Stoner710]

@goaded tax dollars of course I’m not an expert on the economics of Tennessee.

[Miristheiss]

I'm not sure what you are asking?

If there is a live, active shooter... killing people. You are saying the law enforcement shouldn't get to, engage and take out the killer as soon as possible?

If they pass a wounded person they should abandon the hunt for the killer, stop, try and lend first aid all while the killer goes on killing more people. Is that what your post is asking about?

GO KILL THE SHOOTER. Other people will tend to the wounded. Get your ass in there and take out the shooter.

[OddBeMe]

No I suppprt this guy and feel really bad for him. I’m saying is this gonna be every week now?

She was on a psyche list…just a few of the rege I’m suggesting may have stiopped this. More time between buying and obtaining guns, limits on magazines and ammo. More police registration, like we have already on cars….

[Sevenpointfive]

i was stepped on as a child by my karate teacher at the end of every session. my yoga teacher did it too. stepping on people is no big deal. i honestly don't understand how people die in a human stampede. i don't. unless they are cripples, how does that happen?

[Juxtapose]

Why would you treat the wounded out in the open where you can be shot? This is more emotional blackmail to disarm the population.

https://img.ifunny.co/images/f579204ec79503f3ba36465ccaa1902c1a3bf973caaf6e0e168ea9935341af13_1.webp

[Juxtapose]

Let's try to embed this again.

[OddBeMe]

All those can apply to the gun lobby.

[Juxtapose]

How so?

[OddBeMe]

They have a standing army of gun nuts and an enslaved press.

[Juxtapose]

An army takes orders from the top, there is no such thing in this country with people who are passionate about guns.

Except for a Fox News and some other exceptions, the media is overwhelmingly far left.

[OddBeMe]

No they take orders from right wing idiots in media. Like that right wing surge onto that ranch who stopped paying grazing fees. Ended up getting him in court anyway before he let out a racist rant on tv.

[Juxtapose]

That's a bunch of nonsense you pulled out of your ass. They didn't take orders from anyone but their own self-interest.

[Juxtapose]

And frankly with how shady the government is by experimenting on black people, civil asset forfeiture and these assassinations? I wish people would stand up for themselves with force a whole lot more.

[goaded]

Madison never wrote that and was never quoted saying it.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded www.forbes.com/.../

[OddBeMe]

@goaded But how did he get that quote meme? A graphic with letters and his picture is official isn’t it? You can’t argue with a graphic GOAD!

[Juxtapose]

I don't see anything online to indicate that this is not a real quote. He has also called into question other quotes that had legitimacy so I don't really trust Mister Ukrainian flag here.

[Juxtapose]

You yourself also wanted me to justify the existence of this:



I don't ask you guys to find the source of every single small thing you present to me.

[goaded]

Yes, I came across that link while I looked it up. Note the lack of a date or any other source. That's not unreasonable for an opinion article, where they didn't actually care where it came from, but there should be something like the following somewhere on the internet for it to be a real quote.

"In his first annual message to Congress in 1861, Lincoln declared, “labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”" worldhistory.us/.../abraham-lincoln-and-labor.php

Or this, the whole text of the speech: millercenter.org/.../december-3-1861-first-annual-message

You really think a Founding Father's quote wouldn't have some historical documentation to back it up?

[Juxtapose]

@goaded in common conversation, citing the source of every single quote you bring up is neither practical nor desirable. You are perfectly capable of verifying if that quote is real or not all on your own and so is anyone who can read it.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded "Tho’ aware of the danger of universal suffrage, in a future state of Socy. such as the present State in Europe; he wd. have extended it so far as to secure in every event & change in the state of Society a majy. of the people on the side of power; a Govt. resting on a minority, is an aristocracy not a Repubc. and cd. not be safe, with a [ ]& physical force agst it, witht a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed population. - James Madison: Autobiography, December 1830,”

founders.archives.gov/.../99-02-02-2226

[Juxtapose]

No wonder they reformatted the quote, it looks like fucking shit in its original form.

[Juxtapose]

But yeah, he doesn't think disarming the population is a good idea so the original point of my quote still stands. What a fucking waste of my time, trying to get me on some semantics and bullshit because a quote was reformatted to actually be understandable to the Common Man

[Juxtapose]

I am not going to be silenced.

[Juxtapose]

I keep getting this image removed for it being "offensive".

[goaded]

Very good for finding the inspiration for the fake quote (although the fake is simply what certain people want others to believe), but bear in mind that it's far more about "universal suffrage" (votes for all), than standing armies.

When he talks about "a Govt. resting on a minority, is an aristocracy not a Repubc", it's describing today's Republican party. The only time a Republican president won the popular vote since 1988 (35 years ago) was in 2004, yet they've held the presidency with its veto power nearly half the time.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded I'm less concerned about your interpretations of partisanship (Abraham Lincoln was a Republican) and more concerned about him describing people not being disarmed.

[goaded]

Note: I said "today's" Republican party. You'd be calling Lincoln a socialist for saying "Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration", admit it.

Republicans are busy trying to neuter the press, with DeSantis trying to pass a law making it easier for public figures (such as government officials) to sue media outlets. There have also been calls from Republicans to ban trans people from owning firearms while encouraging their supporters to get them (which is not unlike what happened in Nazi Germany; gun laws were "tightened", but only in a way that hindered non-party members from getting them).

[Juxtapose]

@goaded I know what a socialist is and Abraham Lincoln was definitely not one.

You're really missing out on a chance to criticize Republicans here. The RESTRICT ACT is a proposed Bill and would make American internet more restrictive than communist China. That is being pushed by the uni party, deep state Republicans. They are attempting to appear as an opposition to tiktok and woke culture but that's a cover, controlled opposition.

The argument of not letting trans people own firearms is actually unconstitutional. The Second Amendment says there shall be no infringement, so technically not even mental illness should prevent someone from getting a firearm. I fully agree with you that mentally ill people should have full access to firearms.

[goaded]

"I know what a socialist is" Really? What's your definition? I suspect it's "people I don't like" or "people I've been told not to like".

"... Abraham Lincoln was definitely not one." Why not? That quote says labor is more important than capital, which is essentially anti-capitalism, isn't it?

[Juxtapose]

@goaded I am a classical liberal, not a die-hard republican dude.



You can't infer an entire belief system based on a single quote like that.

[goaded]

It wasn't the only time LIncoln said words to the effect of "Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration".

So, what's wrong with socialism, given that the definition is "A theory or policy of social organization which aims at or advocates the ownership and control of the means of production, capital, land, property, etc., by the community as a whole, and their administration or distribution in the interests of all.

2. A state of society in which things are held or used in common. "
(That's from the OED, I can't be bothered to re-type your picture.)

[call_me_scar]

I mean I want it to be B but our politicians are shit and would gladly let more of our kids die if it means they can make more bribery money so unless Americans stop voting on personality and start voting on policy's, the persons past and how they make their money the future is more child size coffins

[Anonymous]

The fuckin NRA will defend the Constitution till the last dead school child.

[OddBeMe]

We should place all the tombstones on their HQ parking lot.

[exitseven]

The bottom line is that they took down the shooter and saved lives.

[OddBeMe]

Yes, trained, focused shooters

[exitseven]

Yes trained , focused shooters who were not afraid to lose their jobs or end up in prison for doing their job like the cops in Ulvalde did.

[gorydetails]

You’d rather they joke around and use hand sanitizer like the cops in Uvalde?

[OddBeMe]

Id rather have common sense laws that would have isolated this person and red flagged her with the police when buying her guns and ammo.

[gorydetails]

Or maybe you on the psychotic left should tone down your violent rhetoric.

[OddBeMe]

Our violent rhetoric? Please link to examples. I can’t wait.

[gorydetails]

It’s not the left claiming there’s a genocide against trannies?

[OddBeMe]

First time I heard of that.

[gorydetails]

Maybe stop watching the View.

[gorydetails]

But I do appreciate you admitting that transgenderism is a mental illness.

[Sasahara]

@OddBeMe here is a hardcore leftist site where their users think a tranny genocide is taking place
www.resetera.com/.../

[gorydetails]

@Sasahara I appreciate the effort but he's got no interest in learning anything.

[OddBeMe]

@Sasahara I mean 25% of trannies are suicidal. At attempting. So what’s the return on increment here? Hormone therapy doctors give and oversee make them feel better. No surges until they’re 18. Or older.