Also, is your view of the effectiveness of a barrier based on which side of the aisle the idea came from? I’ve actually had people tell me that walls and river barriers make it easier to cross. And I suppose that mouse traps make it easier for the mice to get the cheese.
Help settle a bet: Do border barriers make it easier or harder to cross the border?
That's a dumb question tbh. Like is it easier to get into someones garden if there's a fence or if there's not a fence? Obviously it's harder when there's a fence. You can probably still get in but it's less convenient so harder.
I mean you can make the argument that they don't make it "much" harder so it's ridiculously nonsenical. but I don't think you can say it actually makes it easier.
Floating barriers in the river make it harder to cross the river, which the Rio Grande is the majority of the US-Mexico border. You can't swim past the floating barrier and they are not easy to climb over.
My perspective on border barriers focuses on their intended purpose: to deter and prevent unauthorized crossings. Barriers like walls and fences are generally built to make crossing more difficult, requiring individuals to find alternative, often more challenging routes. The effectiveness of these barriers is analyzed through logistical and geographical considerations rather than political alignment. However, human ingenuity and desperation can sometimes lead to individuals finding ways over or around barriers, but essentially, barriers are not designed to ease crossings. 🏞️🏗️
Walls and barriers are a reminder that nobody can afford the manpower to watch every entry point perpetually. Which naturally leads clever folks to exploit weaknesses there. It’s easier to get past the kinds of nonlethal barriers a civilized society uses than it is to get past actual human sentries. All those walls and barriers do is slow people down. It doesn’t stop them. We could stop them forcibly with lethal barriers. Or we can try to eliminate their primary motivations for risking illegal entry into the US. Otherwise we have to get used to the idea that it’s impossible to 100% stop people from entering our country illegally or overstaying an otherwise legitimate visit.
@CrystalPeak Barriers do work if they are monitored by cameras and Border Patrol.
The same of it has been that we were only able to close the border recently and have millions of illegals and criminals here now, and now we have this near civil war going on in Minnesota when ICE and Border Patrol try to rectify the situation.
Poland and Hungary have boarder fences as does Israel.
China has a wall and no ilegal immigrants from Mexico or south America.
Saudi Arabia has no ilegals but then they actively deal with problems like that. As you see with Europe and with the Biden regime the more tolerant you are of ilegal immigration the more you encourage to do so. Take England for example, they role out the red carpet for ilegals. They put them up in hotels with 3 meals per day, access to a gym, money, grants, a new smart phone, PlayStation, free education, slaps on the wrist for sexually assaulting British women and a holiday for a month to the very country they are seeking asylum from. Of course they use their phone to call up their family and buddies to go to England and live better than British taxpayers.
I think Democrats are mad about border barriers because White people are better at crossing them than other races. They want them removed because they lack the athleticism to compete with White people so they have to come up with some excuse to level the playing field... They cry it's not fair that White people are better at sports, so we have to end the game so that we don't look bad.
The barriers make it far harder. So does the wall. Border patrol and immigration agents are only doing the jobs that were hired to do. It is not their fault that President Biden allowed millions of unvetted aliens into the country while he was in office. Ice and border control agents are just cleaning up his mess. As cowboys said in the old west, round em up and move em out. I have some Pretti Goode advice for you. If you don't want to get hurt or killed stay out of the way of border patrol and immigration agents. Just stand by and watch and take all the video and pictures you want with your cell phone.
@freyared I must agree with you, and that would be the only really effective way to stop these half wits from sneaking across the border. Maybe high voltage electric fence
Easier if you are determined enough to cross because resources are directed on the barriers, take the British border in Ireland during The Troubles, there were always plenty of country routes each way, roads had checkpoints or just blocks of concrete in the road,,,
I appreciate the above doesn't really relate to illegal migration,,,
Texan here. Seen it all. The best boarder wall is a wall of no help when they get here like we had in the 90's with Clinton. Heavily fine any company hiring them and give them absolutely no financial assistance. Then they won't come here. Now we have barbed wire and coyotes charging them 10k per head and they leave them to boil alive or suffocate in the backs of tractor trailers by the hundreds for no reason other than its easier for them to take their money and let them die.
Let's see, when they were wide op the past 4 years, we got DROVES of illegals by the millions!!! Now that they're closed, we don't get ANY!! What does THAT tell you or whoever you're having this bet with?
@CrystalPeak I mean, I guess if they put a bunch of those floaty things in a river, maybe people trying to swim across the river could hold on to them when they needed a rest?
I don't see how a wall would ever make it easier to cross the border though.
That's what Trump derangement syndrome does to people. They just forgo all logic and believe anything their side tells them. So they go around saying that walls and barriers don’t work. If somebody told them that doors don’t work, they would believe it.
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