Should Trump leave NATO?

[strawberryapple]

Secretary General, Mark Rutte, seemed to defend NATO by saying that some countries offered to help. Great, cool beans. My prediction is that Trump will pull us out of NATO, and form s new alliance:

“North American Trump Organization”

Just watch and see. The countries that didn’t offer to help won't be invited to the party. His facial expression says it all.

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3 mo

@goadedStop harassing me!

[Jerre]

Yes, but he probably will not. NATO needs the U. S., both for their military and money.

[strawberryapple]

Yes, we pay 60% of the total funds.

[KostasKouvalis]

Of course they do😂

[strawberryapple]

@goaded
What the fuck are you doing? Take a hint and leave me alone!

[strawberryapple]

@goaded reported for harassment

[KostasKouvalis]

Just block that ANTIFA idiot. I can't see what he's saying, 'cuz I blocked him ages ago

[strawberryapple]

@KostasKouvalis
I've told the asshole to stop replying and he refuses. I reported him, but he doesn't care.

[KostasKouvalis]

Tell him he's ruining his people's reputation by perpetuating the stereotype that Germans are assholes.

[strawberryapple]

He truly is an asshole.

[Cidknee]

Yes, gouda cheesehead is what you say! I've had many "discussions" with the whiney, tattle-tale crybaby.

[Jerre]

@strawberryapple Thank you for the MHO

[strawberryapple]

You've welcome

[Bricealan]

@strawberryapple Should have left NATO long ago

[strawberryapple]

Agree

[lightbulb27]

well... it shouldn't be trump that does anything right? It's supposed to be "the government"... not one person. that's the problemo. Lefties are right about that. Actually, they were right about him Fing up everything, I'll give them credit for that.

I suspect so and it doesn't require leaving nato, just not paying or talking smack.

We pay a lot to secure the world post WWII... with 800 military bases. We cannot afford it given we are broke.

Thing is, what does this mean to our alliances, bases, control over other countries and the world order? We can be thankful that the "Dragon" is quite patient and cautious, doesn't want war and destruction.

This is really bad in that the old world is coming apart, and a new world is forming. CHANGE is guaranteed. If you'd like to see how change worked out in the past watch movies of WWI and WWII and a bunch of other wars. Humans are awful and are easily brain washed to destroy each other. See my prior question years ago if other people out here would kill me if ordered to. Only one nice girl said no.

The makeup of that change will be highly impactful to all our lives. It isn't necessarily trumps fault... arguable... but how things go in the cycle. Read Ray Dalio's book "... Changing world order". Somewhat predictable.

It's quite dangerous... and hazardous for many.

Definitely if you don't have a good "God"/Jesus plan and principles to handle other humans and exit from this world, get one soon. Write it down and stick it on your head like the Jews did, or in your heart. Maybe have it tatooed on your arm? Hopefully it isn't needed... but hope is not a plan.

I essence like the movie airplane conveyed, the "Sh! t" has hit the fan"... the spreading out of that is what is now happening.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/vkdH0nuDWX4https://www.youtube.com/embed/fa7nSzCiGXk

A fine example of American cinema...

[strawberryapple]

OK, I have a couple questions. He said it shouldn't be up to Trump should be up to Congress. If we were up to Congress with NATO countries have paid their fair share?

[strawberryapple]

You said

[lightbulb27]

that is a complex calculation... it's taking the world order down. Asking AOC and Rand Paul if they paid enough... both probably say no. would they upend NATO, not sure.

Money is just a way to exert power and influence, which we did for a long time. our dollar is now close to crapola. Our military holds our power over others. Without that power, many will form new alliances, etc..

It's change in control which leads to all sorts of side effects, I'd be thinking about that, not if they paid enough. they did not, but what is "pay"?

[strawberryapple]

My point is that if it was up to Congress they wouldn't do anything. Trump had to take the ball by the horns.

[lightbulb27]

agree, congress proved itself to be difficult to move. it's a double edged sword.

[Spencer10]

NATO is a defensive organization. NATO had no responsibility for this war. NATO was never consulted.

If you have a friend who calls you and tells you "Help my house is on fire"... you go and help. But if they call and say "Help I set my neighbors house on fire" you tend to stay away because that may be a crime.

[strawberryapple]

So you asked this friend if you can use their driveway. You tell them you don't want their help in the actual war but you just need to use their driveway. What if they said no.
I know what I would do. How many Fairweather friends do you need in your life? 😂😂

[KostasKouvalis]

"Help, my house is on fire. We could've prevented it, but we didn't."

[strawberryapple]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[KostasKouvalis]

I think so. The US and Israel should start their own NATO. What's the point to be part of NATO if they will not help us when we need it

[PolarPoint]

@KostasKouvalis If nato would attack 3rd world war could be happened

[strawberryapple]

NATO fucked up by not helping.

[KostasKouvalis]

@PolarPoint We didn't ask them to attack. Just to let us lauch planes from their bases and use their airspace. Shame on them!
And YOUR country shouldn't even be in NATO

[PolarPoint]

@KostasKouvalis If you get to know Turks, you'll say, "I'm glad I met you." :)

[KostasKouvalis]

@PolarPoint I HAVE. For two weeks. Bunch of scammers pretending they're good Muslims.

[PolarPoint]

@strawberryapple Furthermore, the Turkish army is very strong; we are one of the strongest armies in NATO. We are special.

[PolarPoint]

@KostasKouvalis Okay :)

[strawberryapple]

@PolarPoint

Trump’s got your back. 🙂

[KostasKouvalis]

But I was talking about your radical Islamic government. Ironically your beloved Atatürk led to this. Securalist my ass. He kicked out all the Christians and replaced them with Turkic Muslims and didn't even ban headscarves. He DESTROYED Turkey and his actions contradicted his words. Turkey should be a Christian country

[KostasKouvalis]

@PolarPoint Yeah, and your Erdogan keeps threathening Greece.

[PolarPoint]

We have no problem with any country. I have no problem with you either. :)

[KostasKouvalis]

@PolarPoint This I do not believe. I know you guys despise Arabs and Kurds, and only 50% like Americans so speak for yourself

[PolarPoint]

Turkey likes ;)

[Snakeyes7]

We should have left a long time ago, but I like that Trump is exposing how shitty the rest of the members are.

[strawberryapple]

I couldn’t agree more.

[strateguy632]

I like your compromise but disagree. We simply stop paying- and i mean zero- then we get ejected due to not paying 2%! Simples.

[strawberryapple]

Except the US is paying 62% of NATO

[exitseven]

I think that the Shield of America is going to be just that.

[Cidknee]

Yes, I hope he leaves that leftist run catastrophic joke.

[Jeff51]

I dont know if he can just pull out without others agreeing.

[strawberryapple]

The eight hundred pound gorilla does what he wants.

[Jeff51]

Lol. Your right

[strawberryapple]

Where does an 800 pound gorilla sleep at night?

What does an 800 pound gorilla have for dinner?

[Jeff51]

Hmm. What?

[strawberryapple]

Where does an 800 pound gorilla sleep at night?

Anywhere it wants.

What does an 800 pound gorilla have for dinner?

Whatever it wants.

[Maddie248]

Might as well. We clearly don't need them

[AgentG111]

Absolutely!

[strawberryapple]

That will probably be happening soon.

[AgentG111]

We need out of the UN completely and they need to be removed from the USA.

[strawberryapple]

Amen