Who do you believe about the Iran situation: Trump or Iran, and why?

[888theGreat]

I must say I believe Iran over Trump. More of what Iran says can be proven

Iran is more believable

lying is fine , I will believe Trump

[Master_Debator]

I come from a more pro-Trump side of this, but guess what @888thegreat...

I've been told this is over only to wake up and then it's still going for many days now. I'm starting to lean in your direction of thinking because of it. So today's excuse (from what I'm being told) is that the communication between Iran's leaders and civilians is all fucked up. I'm not there... I don't fucking know if that's true or not. All I know is yesterday and every day before that I've been told we won and it's over and it's been going on for longer than I have patience for.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not going to suddenly start believing some immigrant's AI videos from the great Islamist country of Britain, of our ships on fire either. I'm just tired of being told it's over and then it's not the next morning.

I'm to the point of just saying they should annex all of Iran's coast. But for fucks sake don't tell me it's over and then it's not again tomorrow. You feel me bro?

[Ariesman81Nshiiit]

It could just be that Trump is so transparent in his dealings with Iran that, while it may seem like lies, it could just be that dealing with Iran causes so many changes in tactics. Maybe I'm just repeating what you said.

[Master_Debator]

@Ariesman81Nshiiit I feel you bro. I'm partly there mentally, but also getting rubbed a little raw by being told it's past tense... and... then it's not. Day after day. Like by today's end, I'll probably be told they're in checkmate again... then wake up to hear they shot at an oil tanker with a gun boat like today. Thought their Navy was completely destroyed... that's what I was told. You feel me on that?

[Ariesman81Nshiiit]

I get the frustration. I'm sure there's intelligence we're not privy to. I look at it more as Trump rolling with the punches.

At the same time... look at who Iran fired against. Another BRICS member. Or at least what's being dubbed an Indian tanker.

[Master_Debator]

@Ariesman81Nshiiit I know right... they're supposedly cool with India and China... and before that shooting missles at their own allies... When it comes to Iran... nothing seems to make sense to me. Also Youtube seems to be striking channels down all of a sudden like they used to for the COVID stuff... I can't even figure out what our side of things are doing.

[Ariesman81Nshiiit]

Which channels?

[Master_Debator]

@Ariesman81Nshiiit Nux Taku, Asmondgold... there is more but if you research from there you'll be able to see what I'm talking about.

[Ariesman81Nshiiit]

Hmmm... back to their old ways of killing the messenger.

[Master_Debator]

@Ariesman81Nshiiit Exactly... thought that shit died with Elon and that CEO of Alphabet company... now it's just back.

[Ariesman81Nshiiit]

Well, it sucks being a chosen one, but it's better than the alternative.

[msc545]

Iran is more believable than Trump. And in fact, everybody, including the rocks in my garden, the frog who lives in my pond, or my cat Allister, are far more believable than Trump. Allister is also one hell of a lot smarter.

[msc545]

In another question on here, I referred to Trump as a habitual and inveterate prevaricator. I stand by that comment. More importantly, so does Allister. It would be a little bit different if Trump didn't have virtually a lifelong habit of lying, but he does.

[IamRight]

Trump, but I don’t think lying is fine! So either you can finally prove your claim that Trump calls everyone Miss Piggy, as you claimed in a reply to a pink anon here Supreme court decision on Trump's Tariffs, will they take that power away? or I’m forced to not support or trust any anti-Trump opinions posted by you because you lied by claiming he calls everyone Miss Piggy.

[DryGermanGuy]

None. I want to apply the horseshoe theory and call them both liars on different ends.

[goaded]

Even when Trump says they have a deal, and Iran says they don't?

OK, it's possible that Iran is utilizing Trump's lack of credibility to their advantage, but I'll believe Trump when he admits he's done something wrong, not before.

[DryGermanGuy]

Admittedly, there are statements that can't both be true or false at the same time. But I meant more the general picture, with Trump and Iran both acting untrustworthy.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Iran, but too bad Iranians don't get rid of their oppressors.

[exitseven]

I believe President Trump. The Iranians cannot be trusted.

[loveyouoak]

I don't like either of them, but I'll say Iran.

[Likes2drive]

I think they’re both lying