How can we actually prevent right‑wing white supremacist mass shootings?

[Anonymous]

Not heard anything from the right Republicans about the San Diego incident. Probably will not.

[indissoluble]

White Supremacists are left-wing Islamist. You know like Zohran Mamdani. That's why Islam is a protected class in NYC now and everyone else can go to hell. That's why city run grocery stores are located in Muslim neighborhoods, so you can work to gather food for them like a good slave. You rally in the streets to support them as a Democrat and you vote for them enthusiatically.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/1HbOhLJHcFohttps://www.youtube.com/embed/XkKrMZGvc10https://www.youtube.com/embed/P8X5T8iOEnk

[indissoluble]

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[indissoluble]

Obama is a Muslim...
Clinton is a Muslim...
Biden Is a Muslim...

When is the last time you didn't vote for the KKK?

[indissoluble]

Nazism is about racial souls...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race-soul

That's because Islam is about racial souls of Muslims and Arab White Supremacy...

The day when some faces are blackened and some faces whitened that is the Day of Resurrection. As for those whose faces are blackened these being the disbelievers who are thrown into the Fire and to whom it is said in rebuke ‘Did you disbelieve after you had believed on the day the covenant was made? Then taste the chastisement for what you disbelieved!’

https://quranx.com/Tafsirs/3.106

When a believer is about to leave the world and go forward to the next world, angels with faces white as the sun come down to him from heaven...

https://sunnah.com/mishkat:1630

[indissoluble]

In Islam (KKK, Nazism, Freemasonry) White people go to heaven and those who are slaves to Allah regardless of their earthly body's color are turned White so they can hang out with all the other pure White people. Those who disbelieve in Allah are turned Black and thrown in hell with all the other Black people. That's Islam, and that's what the Democrat party votes for.

[indissoluble]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zhaqu2qB72U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUF_3WCjUWg

[indissoluble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuFHYMmvaTw

[indissoluble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR8uLQ8DSVM

[Asker]

I guess you cannot answer the simple question. You have nothing. Thank you for trying. LOL

[Asker]

Changing the subject does not work with me and shows your limited education.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

The KKK are Jewish LARPing feds that exist just to make genuine right wingers look bad. There's nothing wrong with wanting your people to be superior. The gods gave us that instinct.

[indissoluble]

I already proved White supremacists are left-wing Islamic Socialist Democrats and gave you sources. You having a hissy fit doesn't change the facts. You support White supremacy. That's why you are so upset that so Mexican guy shot some White supremacists Muslims. He took out some of your Democrat Klan members.

[indissoluble]

*some

[Wodens_Apprentice]

No you didn't prove that, though thanks for correcting it to some. I don't like both Israel or Palestine as they're both crying babies & cut from the same ethnic cloth anyway.
National Socialism is arguably some kinda hybrid of Right & Left wing ideas to create a nation with a 99% private economy, but the government effectively could do what they wanted with your own business including firing it's own boss/CEO. I am guessing this is why despite the fact it's Socialism it's more economically viable then Communism was (more "NazCap" or even a Teutonic ).
I've never even heard of a Mexican shooting Muslims but as an Englishman, don't you think I'd have more of a grievance against Islam then Mexicans who aren't even known trouble in this country.
Around where I live a child was cut up & her met out into the takeaways kebab. They did this 'cause Muslims see white people as slags who deserve it.
These men got away with their crimes & they're business is still running in Blackpool now.

I am suspicious of the KKK because they started off as a Lodge with obvious Gnostic influence. They used to dance around a star of David & welcomed Jews into their party until they later decided they didn't like them anymore.
Most of the modern KKK are just LARPers though. One of the KKK lodges Grandwizards refused to use the N💣 because he doesn't like slurs & is extremely Christian.
The US was set up as a white, Anglo Saxon Christian nation before the KKK. The Americans have undermined that fact so hard they I don't even see Americans claiming to have English ancestry ever. It's always Scottish, Irish or German because in America having English ancestry is not appreciated, despite the fact those people are the founding stock of America. Whilst the Scottish & Irish achieved nothing & just copied their entire culture off the English.

[indissoluble]

@Wodens_Apprentice Say Nah Ahhh!!! doesn't deal with the facts presented. You haven't disproved my case, you have just blanket denied facts and failed to cop with reality. You make claims but provide no evidence to back your position. Socialism is always left wing. The Nazis (national Socialist) pulled their racial ideology from Sufi Islamic Freemasonry. The founding of the Nazi party comes via the Thule Society. The Thule Society is the organization that sponsored the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (DAP; German Workers' Party), which was later reorganized by Adolf Hitler into the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP or Nazi Party). The Thule Society was founded by Baron Rudolf von Sebottendorf a Sufi Islamic Freemason. This is his book:



Here is the logo of the Thule Society. Notice the Nazi Swastika, the sword with the Islamic Crescent for a hand guard, and the Nazi Cathedral of Light in the background. The ritual symbolism used by the Nazi party in WWII was inherited directly from the Thule Society which is a group of Sufi Islamic Freemasons.



Here is Baron Rudolf von Sebottendorf with Adolf Hitler.

[indissoluble]

*cope

[indissoluble]

The KKK holly book is the Holy Kloran. The Kloran is a portmanteau of Klan and Koran. They are Islamic all the way through. The first KKK uniforms had the Islamic Crescent & Star sewn on them. The KKK wear garb reminiscent of the Knights Templar, a group know for worshiping "Baphomet" which is a French bastardization of "Muhammad", whom were documented as making prayers to Allah before battle, and who use Islamic symbolism on their banners. Their symbol is the 8 pointed star. Many Islamic designs are built on squares and circles, typically repeated, overlapped and interlaced to form intricate and complex patterns. A recurring motif is the 8 pointed star, often seen in Islamic tile work and mosque construction. It is made of two squares, one rotated 45 degrees with respect to the other. The KKK even wear hoods like Islamic women's head coverings. Muhammad use to wear his wive's clothes as well. It is in the Islamic sources that Muhammad claims he only got revelations when he wore his child bride Aisha's green Mirt.

[indissoluble]

*"Saying"

[indissoluble]

The entire religion of Islam participates in star worship. Every year at the Hajj Muslims circle the Kaaba in Mecca to mimic circling stars. They worship as the pagans before rise of Judaism and Christianity. Abraham himself worshiped the sun, moon, and the stars before he recognized the true God in Yahweh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNIsdNxsOGc

[indissoluble]

Everything you try to ascribe to the Jews comes directly from Islam and it is what the house of Israel rejected.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

You prove you have no idea what you're talking about. I am a white nationalist and I will tell you that Hitler didn't approve of the Thule society, infact he banned it. Yes they played a major role in the establishment of the party. It was a pagan volkischm group not a gnostic Luciferian lodge.
Whether it had freemasonic origins or not is interesting but the freemasons absolutely despise Nazis & that's why our entire culture has been moulded around the idea that racism is the ultimate of evils.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

Also I am a pagan and hate Freemasons because they are abrahamic shadow cultists. And gnosticism only agrees with me that there's multiple dimensions, but the idea the physical world is inherently evil is some weird monotheistic theological nonsense that can be disproved using science. You can't disprove paganism using science because pagans developed their views around science, without throwing away their soul to the mechanical calculator we call logic & claiming that explains our reality entirely.

[indissoluble]

@Wodens_Apprentice You're not very good at taqiyya. You said "I am a white nationalist" then said "the freemasons absolutely despise Nazis & that's why OUR entire culture has been moulded around the idea that racism is the ultimate of evils." then said you said "I... hate Freemasons". Talking yourself in circles isn't going to confuse me. The religion of yes no...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrJhsNxH_To

[Wodens_Apprentice]

That's not talking myself in circles you're just retarded. Also I am a blonde haired, blue eyed Teutonic Englishman. I carry the blood of Woden himself in my veins. To think compare an English pagan to a Muslim is a joke. You worship a Semitic god or you're an atheist (and atheism is result of science undermining abrahamic ideas really)

[indissoluble]

@Wodens_Apprentice Whatever Muslim. Take you second cousin marriage low IQ somewhere else.

[indissoluble]

Muslims can't avoid talking themselves in circles and making a fool of themselves whenever it comes to defending Islam... It's a pattern... Demonically stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGRP5EGlNYQ

[SeekerOfTruth007]

If you're talking about that Mosque that got shot up, here's food for thought.

Recently, Muslims interviewed by the FBI about terrorism were quoted as having replied, "If Islam is terrorist, then I'm a terrorist."

It's a fact that the majority of terror attacks world-wide are done by muslims. I don't know why you liberal dummycrats can't accept that, nor why anyone who calls themself a free thinking person would accept Islamic people into their country. Islam is the exact opposite of Democracy. Women have no rights AT ALL in Islam. They are literally treated worse than dogs, yet idiot dummycrat women want Islam brought to America.

[emeraldsaphire]

I don't think we need to be to worried about white supremacist mass shootings. School shootings for attention are far more common. And then even still most mass shootings are gang related in large Cities. So the number one tip if you don't want to be in one is to not be associated with a gang. Second is don't go to a public school, and third is encourage gun ownership and pass national constitutional carry, and national stand your ground laws with harsh penalties for any DA who tried so go after someone for self defense.

[lilBigPotato]

I know it's an unpopular opinion here but... If it's difficult to obtain guns, it's difficult to do mass shootings.

Seems to work reasonably well in basically almost every other first world country but can't wait for people to come and tell me how they need a gun to defend themselves while there are like hundreds on mass shootings in the US every year. Probably has to get even worse for people to realise that more guns isn't the solution 🤷‍♀️

[Wodens_Apprentice]

Yeah and every first world country is having their girls raped by barbarians as their government forced policies on them nobody voted for.
If you want real political change I don't think it's coming any time soon with a vote.

[Asker]

It is true about those who think anyone should get a gun. NO. The 2nd Amendment says American can have a gun to defend themselves, but does not say it is a guarantee if a federal law states there are rules for getting a gun. NORMAL people would agree with this. I do not need a gun but if I qualify under law, then I can buy one.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@lilBigPotato
Comparison issue though, you can't alter any country's history. The reasons why guns are okay in the USA is historical, other countries have different histories with the matter and that's why they would not allow guns for civilians. For historical reasons

[lilBigPotato]

@Maybe_Maybe_not going by that reasoning we would still live in the stone age or many countries would go back to fascism and dictators. There might be a historic reason for the high gun ownership, but if it causes issues then it might still have to get changed. Australia is a good example for this from what I've read.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

@lilBigPotato If a society with guns results in us going back to fascism then isn't that what the people wanted?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@lilBigPotato well, this reasoning implies that some traditions take some time to evolve. Australia? @MrChinaski please explain

[lilBigPotato]

@Maybe_Maybe_not they had a lot of firearm deaths and mass shootings, then implied much stricter gun laws in the 90s and had great success with no mass shootings and faster decline in firearm deaths over the next 1-2 decades.
I don't know the details by heart, just read about it some time ago. Should be easy to find if you're interested in the topic.

[MrChinaski]

Australia's not perfect. But, yes, after 35 people were killed in 1996 (?) in one event, there was an effort to take firearms out of circulation. It appears to have been effective in removing military-style weapons.

Still the numbers of weapons involved were tiny compared with the US. Something like half a million guns destroyed in a country of 20 million or so at the time.

Australia's 'gun culture' was linked to its agricultural heritage, and to some extent hunting activities. There was never a notion that one has a right to a gun for self-defence.

Less of a cultural change, more of a reduction in access to weapons.

We aren't perfect. 15 Jews were killed celebrating Hannukah last year at Bondi Beach. But that was two guys with five or 10 limited cartridge guns. You can imagine the devastation could have been far more horrific with AR14s etc. We seem to have had some stabbings lately too, but again 1 or 2 people stabbed to death is better than a dozen or more people shot.

A side comment that is perhaps obvious is that this is an arms race. You flood a country like the US with firearms that people carry with them, then people and police defend themselves with firearms. Simple traffic stops end in shootings, or home burglaries, which almost never happens here. In the UK, police walking the beat aren't even armed and they do just fine. In Japan, essentially no-one outside the Yakuza have guns and the only reason they do is to muscle each other.

Societies get to choose their gun-related death rates.

This post is already long enough, but issues like social welfare payments, access to appropriate medical (including psychological0 care and overall social capital matter a great deal too. Reducing the overall level of guns in a community is probably the easy part of the problem.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@MrChinaski Thanks for this thorough answer, I didn't even know firearms were allowed in AUS

[MrChinaski]

@Maybe_Maybe_not You need a reason to legally have a gun (farmer, hunter, target shooting at a gun club), you need to store them in gun safes when not in use (you cannot legally carry other than to and from their place of use) and licenses are mainly only for certain types of longarms. If you lose the need, you lose the license. There are spot audits, etc.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@MrChinaski Okay so it looks like the legislation I know of and it's really really far from what gun culture means in the US

[lilBigPotato]

@Maybe_Maybe_not @MrChinaski
It was just an example that if there is a political will, things can be improved. Is it perfect? No. Is it better then before? Going by the statistics absolutely.

Of course you can always find an excuse to not do anything. Historic background isn't one, especially not in a young nation like the US. It hasn't been that long that racism and slavery were parts of the culture. You still got rid of it (mostly).

The problem isn't that it has a historical or cultural background. As far as I know a large part of the US population is actually in favour of stricter gun laws. The problem is that's it's a very unpopular decision to take and it's highly politicised. Democrats and republicans would have to work together. A part of the current generation might not like it, the next generation won't know it any different. Things can be changed if there's a will, but apparently there haven't died enough people yet.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@lilBigPotato Historical BG is so important though, to me it's about fighting what can be productively fought, and fighting against foundational traditions of a country is NOT a solution that looks reasonable to me. I insist, this is not some mild tradition that could budge we're talking about here, gun culture seems foundational to how US started.

[MrChinaski]

@Maybe_Maybe_not It's a wicked problem. If you push in one place the system adjusts to re-establish equilibrium. Cultural change has to be part of the transition to a better outcome.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

In the USA, it seems impossible to prevent gun proliferation because it clashes with historical traditions.

So the next thing is trying to control the shooter, in advance, the first towards that goal would be to answer the question:

Why is this person ready to commit mass murder at all?

Once the answer is found, it leads to another question:

How, as a society, can we prevent this person to become someone ready to commit mass murder?

[beefcakebradybatson]

Keep guns out of violent a**holes' hands !!!

[Asker]

Yes, but conservatives do not think they have a problem. So funny how they do not have any solutions to a problem in their own Republican ranks.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

So that they'll stab you instead? Good luck defending yourself when someone unexpectedly pulls out a knife from even just 6 feet away & suddenly jabs you repeatedly with it.
With a gun, it's simple. You aim at the person, you choose to take their life or not and you use that to extort them. They're not incentivised to kill you like they are in the UK

[MrChinaski]

@Wodens_Apprentice Does the second amendment extend to the Davy Crockett? It seems like a highly effective way to defend oneself in the case of an imminent stabbing attempt.
en.wikipedia.org/.../Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)

[Wodens_Apprentice]

@MrChinaski The constitution should be scrapped & we should have a democratic military monarchy. Every worthwhile man armed & prepared to allow the government to help his private business colonise the 3rd world.

[beefcakebradybatson]

@Wodens_Apprentice It's far less likely someone will stab you to death (unless you're in a not-exactly safe area) than fatally shoot you.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

@beefcakebradybatson
That is nonsense ignorant of how it is in the UK. Why do you think stabbings happen so often in the UK? All over the UK that is. When you remove guns, turns out the people planning to murder use knives, vehicles & housemade explosives instead.
I live in the roughest area which has the highest % of women smoking while pregnant in Europe. How am I supposed to act with these teenaged roadmen thinking they're hard & threatening people? Cause I'm a violent proud man and I'd they say something to me I am punching them.
It's better in the US because they'd think twice if they knew I could pull out a gun easily & defend myself. But if they pull a gun out on me, it actually makes things less violent as I'd be forced to surrender & what do they gain out of it other then robbing me or killing me which they could've done more violently, likely in a group, anyway.

[MrChinaski]

@Wodens_Apprentice Err. US deaths by stabbing: 1688. UK deaths by stabbing: 31. So adjusting for population size, rate of deaths by stabbing are more than 10 times as high in the US.
worldpopulationreview.com/.../stabbing-deaths-by-country

[Wodens_Apprentice]

@MrChinaski The UK is a much smaller country dickhead. If you think the UK is safe from stabbing you haven't lived here, shut the fuck up, don't talk about this county every again because you have no idea what you're talking about rice monkey. If you came here you'd soon find out & be terrified.

[MrChinaski]

@Wodens_Apprentice So **adjusting for population size**, rate of deaths by stabbing are more than 10 times as high in the US.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

@MrChinaski Shouldn't have let all those black people in should you?

[strateguy632]

hiding how many? got shot is a dirty trick. mass shooting sounds like twenty victims not 3. no "mass shooting " really happened.

but far worse than "3 shot dead' not counting the 2 shooters, ... are the 21 shot dead in a NON-Mass shooting in just ONE week in gun free chicago!

[Asker]

And your answer is?
Changing the subject does not work with me and shows your limited education.

[Lliam]

Why prevent only "right‑wing white supremacist" mass shootings and not all mass shootings?

What about mass shootings by liberals and transgenders?
Most mass shootings are committed by gangs.
Why don't liberals broadcast the race, sexual "identity" and political affiliation of those?

Regarding the attack against a Mosque in San Diego, I haven't seen link to "right wing white supremacist" but I do wonder about the suspects' motives.

[Asker]

Yes, they were clearly conservative white supremists by writings they left behind.
Trying to change the subject does not work with me, plus is shows your lack of education.

[Lliam]

Oh, I'm sure you are HIGHLY educated, Mz woke lib. LMAO. You are also a cowardly anon, so you really have no credibility.

How do I know that you are a lib? Because you act superior and resort to personal attacks instead of respectful, reasoned dialogue.

Get lost, punk.

[MrChinaski]

It seems to be ubiquitous. I doubt turning a broad social problem into a matter of differing political views is going to lead the country to a better place.

[Alex-Snow]

Excellent point. You will not hear anything from the NRA either!

[Dargil]

Which ones have been right wing? Name a few or your post is ignorant nonsense.

[jahaims]

All mass shootings are caused by poor mental health

[Asker]

So all conservative white supremists are all mentally ill?

[Mike_Hum]

You mean the trannies that shot up the Islamic center?

[exitseven]

it was two teenagers who killed themselves. The names have been withheld currently.

[Asker]

They are right extremists. Who cares about the ages.

[exitseven]

Since the fake news does not say anything about them I am more inclined to think that they were democrsts.

[KostasKouvalis]

Make them change their behavior so right-wingers don't have a reason to hate them

[Asker]

Not an answer. We are in America if you did not know. All peoples beliefs are welcome and should be able to live peacefully with worry of being killed by insane right conservative white surpremists.

[KostasKouvalis]

Or radical Islamists.
It works both ways. People aren't racist for no reason

[Asker]

True

[KostasKouvalis]

The funny thing about the San Diego shooters, is they were Hispanics

[noohair]

If you want to be honest you should accept that there are tragic occurrences on all sides and toxic indoctrination seems to be the catalyst.

[Asker]

Changing the subject does not work with me and shows your limited education.

[noohair]

I am sorry that reality is inconvienent for you.

[Anonymous]

They only care when it's an immigrant so they can grandstand about it.

[Asker]

What?
Changing the subject does not work with me and shows your limited education.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

By preventing trans school 🎯🔫's, black 👊💥 & middle eastern 🍇 gangs

[Asker]

Not an answer. What can conservatives do to reduce their extreme white supremists?
Changing the subject does not work with me and shows your limited education.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

They can't do anything because white nationalists such as myself don't respect conservatives. Infact a lot of white nationalists hold a lot on common with the left (not me but I can admit it when I see it in others).
What is wrong with putting your own ethnic group & related ethnic groups above less related, more alien & more barbaric groups? Iits human behaviour and the left spending since WW2 deconstructing tribalism might just be the thing that sends a an equalising weight smashing back into your faces.

[Anonymous]

By voting Republican at the midterms... or else.

[Asker]

Wrong. That is the problem. Many Republicans support right racists supremists.

[Agape93]

Nothing

[Asker]

Not an answer. You are ok to lose America to extremists.

[Agape93]

It is an answer. You can't prevent it from happening. The best you got, are people like me who don't value human life, and are very comfortable shooting said mass racist shooters. Fire with fire.