Don't you know that you can depend on Republicans to always do something disgusting?

[msc545]

The Minnesota Republican Party reportedly held a 10-second moment of silence for convicted murderer Derek Chauvin at its endorsement convention Saturday. It came just days after the sixth anniversary of George Floyd’s death.

[Just_Ken]

Very hard to have sympathy for a career criminal that preyed on innocent people. End of the day he was high and was unhealthy and resisted arrest after fleeing a crime.

It is truly disgusting to celebrate the life of such a thug who held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach threatening her child

[goaded]

And yet the GOP have sympathy for a cold-blooded murderer.

It doesn't matter what Floyd was like, he didn't deserve to die. Nor do any of the people murdered by Trump on the high seas.

[Just_Ken]

@goaded George died because of underlying self inflicted health condition

[goaded]

Not according the the jury that convicted the murderer Republicans just honoured.

[Just_Ken]

@goaded I see that the people who took the knee and tore down statues after a man was killed 4,000 miles away from Britain are now yelping 'Don't politicise Henry Nowak's death'. The same leftists who poured onto the streets to rage over the death of George Floyd are barking at the rest of us not to rage over the death of young Henry.

'Don't stir up tensions', says an activist class which in that heady summer of 2020 happily hurled missiles at British cops and danced like Taliban-lite loons on a monument to a slave trader they'd just toppled.

Fear of the masses is in the air. You can almost smell the establishment dread that the wrong sort of people are about to hit the streets – not graduate leftists in keffiyehs but gammon-hued blokes in white t-shirts.

The front page of Wednesday’s Independent is a classic of this fretful genre. ‘Family’s plea for calm ignored’, wails the headline over a photo of the protest in Southampton. But the people in the pic are perfectly calm. It’s just rows of mournful folk carrying the England flag. Are you okay, Independent?

The Guardian, too, seems consumed by foreboding. It says there are ‘fears’ that ‘the populist right’ will ‘whip up racist resentment’. Demagoguery is always the chief dread of the bourgeois left, given their view of the little people as a coiled spring of bovine fury that might be unsprung at any minute.

The Guardian blasts Farage for calling for ‘pure, cold rage’ in response to Nowak’s death. It’s a complaint that would carry more weight if the Guardian hadn’t published pieces in the wake of Floyd’s death saying ‘We need the rage that abolished slavery’.

[goaded]

Do you think anyone in England will be honouring the police officers who did something stupid or the person who, you know, actually murdered Nowak? You know, leaders of a political party maybe having a moment of silence for a murderer.

[msc545]

That's it, blame the victim. Ignore the murderer.

[msc545]

Learn to read an autopsy report so you don't have to keep lying in public.

[Just_Ken]

@goaded its two tier policing.

[goaded]

Yes, apparently Republicans think that they should honour murderers rather than treat them with the contempt they deserve.

Oh, you mean in the UK, where police officers in a stressful situation made a mistake, fell for a lie? Is the killer in prison? Sounds like a win to me.

Maybe Nowak would have survived if he hadn't been cuffed, but Floyd's death wouldn't have been an issue if his murderer had simply chosen to stop killing him and treated him like a human being.

[Just_Ken]

@goaded its called two tier policing. Its a major isdue with the police in the uk.
Police automatically assumed the victim lying on the ground unable to move was lying when he said the non white guy who stabbed him who was open carrying a large knife on his person accused him of racism.
Police in the uk have long feared being called racist so often will look to other way for instance with the Sharia patrols harrassing people on horseback, Christians being harrassed for eating during Ramadan or the the muslim gang rape problems.

[goaded]

You're a terrible liar. Both in the amount of lies you tell and the ridiculousness of them.

[msc545]

@goaded not only a terrible liar, but in addition quite stupid.

[Just_Ken]

@goaded no lies told. Feel free to look up the sharia law horse patrols in the uk

[goaded]

I did. It's bullshit.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/.../truth-sharia-patrols-streets-manchester-33563259

[goaded]

There's so much wrong with your rage bait, I don't know where to start.

[Just_Ken]

@goaded these are all documented happenings in Britain and why the public is up in arms about it. Even the incident with Henry Novak getting stabbed, the perpetrator was allowed to walk around open carry with a large knife on his person in full view of the police when the average citizen would have been arrested on the spot and jailed for possibly a maximum of 3 years just for carrying the knife alone but because the perpetrator was non white the two tier policing system allowed it.

[goaded]

Two people on horses at a protest does not make "sharia law horse patrols". It's so obviously stupid I can't believe people fall for it.

[msc545]

It's very hard to have sympathy for a person that is so stupid you can't even read a simple medical report. Or if you can, you then decide it's better to lie about it.

[goaded]

What do you think the police should do about people bringing horses to a protest, exactly?

Why do you think they were "Sharia patrols"? Were they Sharia Police? What's the uniform?

[Just_Ken]

@goaded they could enforce the law instead of adopting a two tier policing policy. Laws are useless they are enforced and apply to everyone regardless of race of religion.

Prevention of Crime Act 1953: Under Section 1, an "offensive weapon" is defined as any article made, adapted, or intended for use to cause injury. If a rider intentionally uses a horse to strike or threaten someone, the horse can legally be considered an offensive weapon.

Public Order Act 1986: If a horse is ridden in a way that causes harassment, alarm, or distress, the rider can be prosecuted for disorderly behaviour or using threatening/insulting behaviour.

Animal Welfare Act 2006: A rider who deliberately puts a horse in harm's way or uses it aggressively risks committing an offence under Section 4 for causing unnecessary suffering to the animal.

[goaded]

Why do you think they were "Sharia patrols"? Were they Sharia Police? Muslim Brotherhood? What's the uniform?

Again, your own post proves you're wrong. All three laws describe potential crimes, and the police have brains. Most of them, anyway.

The horses weren't used as an offensive weapon, or put in harm's way. Unless you're saying your friends in the anti-Islam counter-protesters were violent and dangerous to the horses?

"Two horsemen trotting around town, seemingly part of protest in support of the Islamic regime in Iran which is coming under fire from the US and Israel...

Unusual and odd, certainly, and concerning enough for police on the ground to tell them 'the horses need to go'. And they went."

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/.../truth-sharia-patrols-streets-manchester-33563259

If the police arrested everyone who used "threatening/insulting behaviour", there wouldn't be anyone left outside prison on the right.

[Just_Ken]

@goaded because they were doing what Sharia patrols do. Watch the footage.

"If the police arrested everyone who used "threatening/insulting behaviour", there wouldn't be anyone left outside prison on the right."

UK police do arrest everyone doing this, at least the white people, even for Facebook posts.

[goaded]

What do "Sharia patrols do"? Hang around and leave when asked? You're nuts.

[Just_Ken]

@goaded did they leave or continue?

[goaded]

"Unusual and odd, certainly, and concerning enough for police on the ground to tell them 'the horses need to go'. And they went."
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/.../truth-sharia-patrols-streets-manchester-33563259

You're really trying desperately to tie the actions of one in a million UK Muslims 12 years ago on to every Muslim, aren't you? Maybe two Muslims were idiots recently, but they didn't break the law.

[Just_Ken]

@goaded doesn't show the footage.

[Just_Ken]

https://youtu.be/NCJUde_5nXE?si=6T-19K6zhl9B3Z8F

https://youtu.be/cCHeyRVEM3Q?si=5zs3YxbUdDPFIBg7

youtube.com/shorts/kURD7lP132k?si=i9zOwORVlvRI2Ug1

This is happening now not 13 years ago

[goaded]

I'm not going to waste much time watching those. Which one shows them "chasing people with 'orses"?

Not just someone claiming they were.

Which one shows them trying to impose Sharia law?

[goaded]

OK, I watched them. Again, you're full of shit. They left, and there's no video of them doing anything wrong (in a society where everyone has a video camera to hand), and only the first one is remotely relevant. So sad.

[goaded]

This is relevant.
s3.masto.ai/.../208e903122514106.mp4

[Just_Ken]

@goaded well you have the evidence yet choose to deny it like most liberals, in the uk its why reform is growing

[msc545]

Yeah, listen, my friend, there is no evidence, and that is the problem.

[Just_Ken]

Plenty of evidence, you just choose to ignore it.

[goaded]

Ah, we've reached the "i wON tHe ArGuMEnt!!!1!!" part of the discussion.

[Just_Ken]

@goaded won it a long time ago. All o had to do was produce the footage

[goaded]

You didn't, though. You produced footage of two guys on horses being asked to leave by the police, which they did. That's nothing like what you claimed. "Sharia patrols", my arse.

The other two videos had nothing to do with Manchester.

That's on top of all your lies about Floyd, easily debunked by virtue of the criminal proceedings against his murderer.

[Just_Ken]

@goaded they were asked to leave because they were conducting sharia patrols, they should have been arrested, but you know two tier policing

Hampshire Police planned to issue a statement implying Henry, 18, had assaulted both Vickrum Digwa and his brother, the Sunday Times reported. An initial police statement read: "It was reported two men had been assaulted by an unknown man."
And as they identified Henry's body three days after his murder, police are understood to have told his family a planned update - which would include the Nowaks' tribute - would again infer that he was the initial aggressor. Henry's family claimed police still believed that Henry had been racially abusive.

[goaded]

No, they were asked to leave because there shouldn't be people riding horses near protests, unless they're trained police horses. You still haven't given an ounce of evidence to support your claim "they were conducting sharia patrols". It's ridiculous on its face, because you use the plural. There were two people next to each other at one event. Was each of them a patrol?

Oh, look, you're bringing up Nowak again, because you don't want to admit you're obviously wrong about Floyd, since there was a whole judicial process that found his murderer guilty.

Nobody is saying the police didn't make mistakes in the Nowak case, and absolutely nobody will EVER hold a moment's silence for them, unlike Republicans for the convicted murderer of Floyd.

[msc545]

You really have to have sympathy for a person who's so illiterate and so taken with right-wing politics that he can't even bother to tell the truth, and he can't bother to read a fairly simple autopsy report.

[Just_Ken]

@goaded the George Floyd trial was a witch hunt. Prosecutorial misconduct in the George Floyd trials were primarily raised by the defense teams of former Minneapolis police officers—most notably Derek Chauvin. These allegations have been a central part of post-conviction appeals and motions for new trials.

Misconduct by the prosecution include:

Concealment of Evidence: The defense accused the Minnesota Attorney General’s office of hiding or misrepresenting medical and autopsy findings, specifically arguing that prosecutors disregarded evidence indicating an absence of asphyxiation.

Witness-Related Claims: The defense alleged that prosecutors relied on false testimony from expert witnesses and improperly handled key witnesses (like Morries Hall, who was present in Floyd's vehicle) to deprive the defense of a fair cross-examination.

Withheld Plea Deals: Defense attorneys representing other officers (such as Tou Thao) accused the prosecution of intentional sabotage, alleging that the state leaked details of confidential plea negotiations to the press to prejudice potential jurors.

[msc545]

Of course, none of those things were deemed to be true, and your friend Derek is now in prison for quite a long time, exactly where he deserves to be.

[Just_Ken]

Often the things that are deemed not to be true often turn out to be true later.
I can think of a case in the uk were 4 people were set up by the police government, justice system to be convicted falsely of a terrorism act, they spent 15 years in prison and they were only found innocent after the young inexperienced QC defending them was allowed to walk into the evidence room unescorted and found a box marked "do not show to the defence " which contained all the evidence the prosecution was withholding. One of the suspects was a 17 year English old girl who didn't get out until she was 33. One of the evidence was chemical residue they found on yellow rubber gloves linked to bomb making, also linked to dish washing soap. To date no member of the police, justice system or government has ever been jailed for evidence tampering or conspiring to pervert the course of justice.

[msc545]

Prove that that even happened.

[Just_Ken]

Very famous case, Guildford 4. Daniel day Lewis made a movie about it, In the Name of the Father. Similar story with the Birmingham 6. Politics demanded a conviction regardless of guilt or evidence.

[goaded]

It was in the 1970s. Obviously, he's ignoring the fact that everyone in the world how could stomach it saw Floyd's murder take place over 9 minutes on video. A slightly different situation.

Also, while nobody faced justice for the Guildford 4, nobody got a moment of silence from a major political party for it, either. Unlike the murderer of Floyd, who the GOP honoured.

Chauvin has no more appeal options, why are you pretending he has? His case went up to SCOTUS already.

[Just_Ken]

@goaded the point is they were jailed for political reasons, not over guilt.

[goaded]

Chauvin wasn't, and that the GOP held a moment of silence for a murderer, not his victim.

[888theGreat]

They think if a minority gets killed it is ok. That all cops are saints and do np wrong.

[SeekerOfTruth007]

Chauvin did a good job. Floyd died by his own hands because of Fentanyl overdose, which is a medical fact.

If I had the power to do so, I'd pardon Chauvin immediately and fully reinstate him. He deserves a medal, not prison.

[msc545]

No, it was not a fentanyl overdose, and apparently you cannot read an autopsy report accurately. I can because I was trained to do that. There was some fentanyl found in his body, but it was far below what would be reasonably considered to be a lethal dose. He died because his neck was compressed by the asshole of a cop for nine minutes.

[Danzigdawson]

@SeekerOfTruth007 He deserves to be hanged by the neck until dead. That would be fitting.

[SeekerOfTruth007]

I'm a martial arts expert and I saw the video and that was not a lethal submission.

I did, however, see Floyd foaming at the mouth before he ever went to the ground, because of his ILLEGAL DRUGS USE.

[msc545]

That is not a good way of deciding that somebody has used any illegal drugs. What you really want to look at is the autopsy, because that is the definitive information. Not looking at somebody foaming at the mouth a video.

[Danzigdawson]

@SeekerOfTruth007 Two separate autopsies: one by the state, one ordered by the family. Both concluded that Floyd died because of the polonged pressure applied on his neck by the piggie's knees. There may have been factors which hastened his death, but in the end, no cop standing on his neck for a long time=no death.

Independent reviews of the autopsies come to the same conclusion.

So, move along, pipsqueek. Nobody gives a shit about your nonexistent "expertise".

[Danzigdawson]

@SeekerOfTruth007 WHOA! Licensed to sell life insurance! Oh my satan, is there any limit to your knowledge and wisdom? 😄😄😄

[Danzigdawson]

@SeekerOfTruth007 Are you going to pull another irrelevant field of expertise of yours to show just how unqualified you are as a forensic pathologist? Philately, maybe?

[SeekerOfTruth007]

@Danzigdawson No idiot, I'm just telling you, Floyd was a lifetime criminal anyway and he deserved to die for what he'd done.

[msc545]

You want to put him to death or sentence him to death for drug crimes? Seriously? He wasn't selling drugs. He was using them himself, so it was his body.

[Danzigdawson]

@SeekerOfTruth007 No, he did not deserve to die. Nobody cares about your worthless judgement of what he did and who he was.

What did you do to end up in hell during ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶a̶c̶u̶t̶e̶ ̶s̶c̶h̶i̶z̶o̶p̶h̶r̶e̶n̶i̶c̶ ̶e̶p̶i̶s̶o̶d̶e̶s̶ I mean, your very real trip to the afterlife?

[robocop666]

George Busch and Donald Trump are humiliations to that party and the country.