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You’re bating for information, while not sharing your take. What is the meaning of postpartum psychosis to you?
Are you looking for the public opinion?
Nevertheless, unless you’re the judge, part of the jury (you wouldn’t be allowed to discuss on here if you were part of the jury), the attorneys, and the medical specialist in this case, you can’t be that judgmental.
FYI:
Postpartum psychosis (PPP) is a rare but serious psychiatric emergency that can occur after someone gives birth. It is much more severe than the “baby blues” or postpartum depression because the person can temporarily lose contact with reality.
It usually begins suddenly, often within the first few days to two weeks after delivery, although it can sometimes appear later.
What does it look like?
A person experiencing postpartum psychosis may have a combination of:
One important feature is that the person experiencing it may genuinely believe what they are experiencing is real. They may therefore not recognize that they are ill.
Why does it happen?
There isn’t one single cause. The dramatic hormonal and biological changes following childbirth, severe sleep disruption, and underlying vulnerability to mood disorders can contribute.
The risk is substantially higher in people with a history of bipolar disorder or a previous episode of postpartum psychosis, although PPP can also occur in someone with no previous psychiatric diagnosis.
Postpartum psychosis (PPP) is a rare but serious psychiatric emergency that can occur after someone gives birth. It is much more severe than the “baby blues” or postpartum depression because the person can temporarily lose contact with reality.
It usually begins suddenly, often within the first few days to two weeks after delivery, although it can sometimes appear later.
What does it look like?
A person experiencing postpartum psychosis may have a combination of:
One important feature is that the person experiencing it may genuinely believe what they are experiencing is real. They may therefore not recognize that they are ill.
Why does it happen?
There isn’t one single cause. The dramatic hormonal and biological changes following childbirth, severe sleep disruption, and underlying vulnerability to mood disorders can contribute.
The risk is substantially higher in people with a history of bipolar disorder or a previous episode of postpartum psychosis, although PPP can also occur in someone with no previous psychiatric diagnosis.
This smells of chatGPT
@ThisDudeHere it doesn't matter where it came from. What matters is that it's accurate, and it is.
@ThisDudeHere
Everything from where I said “FYI” is ChatGPT. I just prompt it “postpartum psychosis, explain.” I wasn’t going to do a full-on research for people on here asking dumb questions. At this point, it’s rage bating, I don’t have all the energy for it. I am in no way supporting her actions. I can’t say she’s herself either, 3 small children is a lot we don’t think about how much it is on a person, you need a village, and a husband that is emotionally strong and astute to all details, we overlook a lot. I can’t even fathom this: a mother watching her babies go lifeless with her own hands. LORD have mercy. I will go to hell and back for mines.
@ThisDudeHere there's nothing sad about this. Not everybody is an expert in this area. AI learns from experts.
Who cares? When men kill/commit violence & rape to people for biological reasons such as high testosterone, libido or temperment women never.
Baby murder has been repeatedly shown to be a product of the feminine mind, such as late abortions, postpartum psychosis and just being bitter you had children generally.
So if society never sympathised with men who struggled to control their impulses & infact heavily punishes men for committing the same crimes women do, why should we sympathise with the woman in this case?
@msc545 AI doesn't learn from experts. It scrounges up information from all over the net, including crackpot pseudo-science posts. It's an amalgamation of the entire spectrum of information from the absolute worst to who knows what. Hence why I'm more than willing to readily dismiss anything that's just copy+paste from GPT.
@ThisDudeHere that's also why AI makes mistakes. However, to say there are no experts in the information pool that AI learns from is wrong.
@msc545 wether they're there is irrelevant - what the robot shits out is a mixture of everything. Would you trust a cake that was made by ten cooks when four of those were actually chefs and of the remaining six, three only ever microwaved their food or just ordered takeout and the other three were only used to cooking meth?
@ThisDudeHere I don't think it's a mixture. I think it's a selection. If you really have no knowledge of what you're talking about, then you may learn a little something, but what you learn might be very wrong, or what you select might be very wrong. I use an AI to assist with organizing and analyzing data in a very technical subject, and some of what it tells me is clearly wrong, and some of it is very correct. Without my education and knowledge, I might have difficulty picking the things that are correct and using them. If one has the knowledge to ask the proper questions, the AI response is very useful.
@msc545 "I don't think it's a mixture" that's not how large langauge models work - it quite literally is a mixture. It tells you stuff that sounds convincing, absolutely unaware on wether it's true or not. It doesn't even have a concept of truth. It's a Chinese room experiment irl.
And with the remainder of your comment, you kind of proved my point - AI is useful if you already have some base knowledge in the particular subject matter. Then it's useful because you can catch it red handed. But to rely on it to inform you on things you're not educated on is a fools errand.
@ThisDudeHere I find that when I'm working with AI, it will often provide different explanations of the same test phenomena and give me the choice of which one I think works better. It will also do this by explicitly asking it to; I routinely deal with difficult cases so I think this is the default in most of them. I do not need to have knowledge of something before asking an AI about it, but if I know nothing about it at all, if it gives me an explanation, I will then use the red team comment and ask it to evaluate that explanation. Or I will take the explanation to another AI and have it red team it. Both ways, it works.
Most people who supported her and collected over one million would demand her execution if she killed 3 puppies. Emotion driven reaction individually and socially are the reasons such dramas happens. We need more individual and social accountability and healthy common sense.
The judge has now a problem. Sentencing her to life prison or life long psychiatric imprisonment is the right choice but there is social pressure of people who want her free. Letting her go as mass murder is absurd in so many aspects, but this is very entertaining clown world anyway.
You're right women care more about puppies then they do babies. I guess that's how the ancient Semitic peoples used the convince mothers to not cry when they were watching their babies being thrown into a burning brass bull as a offering to Ba'al.
What the Commonwealth of Massachusetts would need to prove to me is that she did this for some other reason. Don’t just tell me it wasn’t post-partum psychosis; tell me it was premeditated murder brought on by some other reason.
Obviously the whole story is tragic. But the father of the dead kids doesn’t even want Lindsey sent to prison.
One thing I’m not a big believer in: potential punishment dissuading people from committing crimes. I think we overrate the hell out of that effect. I’d wager most crime is pretty spontaneous. So I don’t worry about “the message being sent” to the rest of society if Lindsey is acquitted and committed to psychiatric care. I’m not concerned that a bunch of moms are just gonna start killing their kids if that happens.
Honestly, nobody directly affected by this seems to want to see her convicted. That matters a lot to me, over the letter of the law. She’s crippled, and I hate to say it, but I can’t imagine she won’t off herself from the guilt the first chance she gets. I don’t think anyone is served by a conviction beyond some DA getting a W on her record, and I don’t think that’s a great reason to do it. Life will continue as normal if she’s acquitted.
Also, before this trial even popped up, I’ve actually already seen part of a documentary about this very phenomenon; so she’s definitely not just making this up.
Again, unbelievably sad and tragic and all that. But who even wants this conviction besides the Commonwealth?
@msc545 Well-said; I agree. I think this country is truly populated by simpletons who only have this “Superman or Lex Luthor”, “Batman or The Joker”, black-and-white, comic-book-level sense of right-and-wrong and justice. Understanding nuance and critical thinking is simply not most Americans’ forte, and that’s frightening. But they’ll be yelling the loudest that they’re right. What an absolute Muppet Show in this country🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@msc545 let’s not split hairs here, you know what I’m talking about. Like you said your other post, there’s plenty of moms to think about harming their children but the question is how many of them actually do that, let alone kill three of them in one whack? You know this is beyond rehabilitation. Like what the fuck are you going to do with this woman, keep her around until she kills somebody else?
@Staximus You think a paraplegic is going to murder more people? It’s not like she has a violent prior history. It should kind of clue you in that all the surviving people affected don’t want her convicted. I’ve seen nothing from this woman that would lead me to believe she’s a future risk, and beyond that, she’s not just going home to Duxbury (bougie as fuck, lmao), she’d go to Tewksbury State Mental Hospital, where both my mother and half-brother have done stints at, and that’s like a prison; you’re on full lockdown. Of all the things I worry about, this lady pulling some kind of encore homicide is not even on the radar.
I don’t mind if they send her to a mental facility for the rest of her life without any future possibility of parole.
This case requires a lot of medical, legal analyses to set a precedent for any future case. Postpartum Psychosis is not going to end after this trial. Woman have no control over it; We should know better, create a foreseeable preventatives on postpartum psychosis.
People might need to re-educate themselves on mental illness after birth, postpartum depression, and psychosis.
Also does the father involved or affected by it in some ways. For example: in pre-eclampsia is also caused by the father health before and during the time of consummation. Could there a lingering genetic, cells that is shared during conception in the making of that child that might lead to postpartum depression or psychosis.
Culturally,
some other cultures, when a woman of their family gives birth or has children; raising a family, the old saying says it requires a village. That is where the benefit of the village comes in. (We have a lot of bad examples of predatory extended family).
Her family, his family coming in to support, take charge of the household chores and cooking etc. In my opinion, that new mom should have support for a good 1 year or 2 years if possible. Some men think and say she’s only taking care of the household and the children; yeah, she’s managing a lot probably him too. I don’t have to go into detail about that part.
The father needs to be supportive and very involved. Family should be supportive even after those 2 years, come visit; offer support, go vacation time, family time, getting a babysitter, couple outing time, self-care day. The little things actually make a lot of mental challenges lighter and better long-term without realizing it.
It takes a village; a lot of other cultures still value it, not in the US though. In the US, too much ego, individualism, and shame are stopping them from preventing events like this.
@Ariesman81Nshiiit the real problem here is that you know nothing about psychiatry or mental illness, and so you think everything is simple. I can tell you that it's not simple. You think this is voluntary behavior, and I assure you it is not. Do some reading, except I think if you read anything that doesn't agree with your preconceived notions, you won't take it seriously anyway.
@msc545
What's wrong with boiling things down to their simplest form? Does it make you feel less important? in my opinion, it creates a clear and concise explanation.
The question is whether we should excuse the behavior or not based on it. And the detriment of being ambiguous, about the laws, on people's mental health.
Something or someone told her it was fine to kill her kids. You want to call it psychosis... fine. I'll call it the devil. Either way, she was confused on which voice was demonic. Or, she knew she could get away with it.
We all have a choice. Are we going to allow the psychosis to propogate, or are we gonna put an end to it?
@Marshast I think the slightly veiled accusation that the father must have been responsible for pre-eclampsia has severe social and scientific deficits and should never have been made. It's absolutely no evidence to support any of them. Your vague reference to genetics does not save it.
Your contention that the mother should have received more support than she did is spot on. This also occurred to me when I first read the case. However, I doubt this family could support it. Based on their last name and their city of origin, I suspect that these people were or are Catholic. You might want to blame the religious principles for the fact that they probably had an economically unreasonable number of children too soon.
@Staximus I mean, it’s humanly possible to shoot someone, maybe, but I don’t think this chick is getting a gun in Massachusetts. Like I said, Tewksbury Psych Hospital is a jail in and of itself. This is all happening in my neck of the woods, I know all the places involved. We’ve had members of my family get treatment at Tewksbury and McLean where she was trying to get treatment figured out ahead of the killings. I’d honestly rather be in prison. I could get yard time, play hoops, maybe join a gang, lmfao. Psych ward is a nightmare. But she’s just gonna kill herself in jail. Tewksbury can at least keep her alive
The most likely person she would kill is herself though.
Dude made $400k/year and she was on a laundry list of medications leading up to the murders.
@darkcloud1945 it is an almost impossible decision. That said, I think you have to choose between two very contradictory philosophies. The outcomes are not so different.
@Ariesman81Nshiiit first of all, you don't know what his expenses were. Second of all, I don't think you knew what any of the medications on that laundry list were for or what they did. None of them were anti-psychotics, that dose that was prescribed, that one exceptional medication, was also not antipsychotic. The medications did not cause this.
@Ariesman81Nshiiit where did you read that? I tried to find it just now, and I couldn't. What was he doing that made 400k a year?
@msc545
Prescribed MedicationsCourt testimony and records revealed that Clancy was prescribed roughly 32 prescriptions across multiple providers in a four-month span, frequently switching drugs. Specific psychiatric medications introduced in court testimony included:Sertraline / Zoloft (antidepressant) Buspirone (anxiety) Trazodone (sleep/antidepressant) Fluoxetine (antidepressant) Zolpidem (sleep) Mirtazapine (antidepressant) Quetiapine (antipsychotic) Diazepam / Ativan (benzodiazepines for anxiety/sleep)
Her own testimony said the medications were "Stealing her motherhood and life" She even said she didn't want to pass on the medication to her children, which suggests she was a caring insightful mother.
So, if not the medications, then who/what? Her psychiatrist?
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@msc545 she’s a murderer and that’s it. That will always be locked inside her and can come out whenever she gets off her meds and has another one of her episodes. She could get out on parole in 20 years and be staying at her sister‘s or friend’s house or something like that, and decide that one day she thinks she’s OK now and is going to stop taking her meds. Then a week later Jesus and Bozo the clown show up and tell her that she needs to send her sister to heaven, and then she hits her in the head with a hammer while she’s taking a nap. Sorry dude, the bullshit nuances and details of her psychological sob story do not matter. She needs to be put down like Old Yeller
@Ariesman81Nshiiit what's wrong with it is that the simplest form, as you describe it, is manifestly wrong. We do have a body of knowledge regarding this problem, and you can decide to throw it all away and endorse your simplistic views if you wish, but you are again wrong.
@Ariesman81Nshiiit no, they didn't pump her full of drugs. They gave her the wrong drugs in the wrong quantities. That's different. She actually only received one anti-psychotic drug, and that was given to her for sleeping in a very low dose that would have had no anti-psychotic qualities at that dose.
@Ariesman81Nshiiit she definitely needed a better psychiatrist because the woman who saw her initially and provided most of the substandard care seems, by history, to be extremely inexperienced. She completely missed the diagnosis. I think a more experienced doctor would have provided a chance for a better outcome. Lindsey Clancy was only prescribed one antipsychotic drug in a dose that was so low that it was only good for sleeping and not for mitigating the symptoms of psychosis. So a more appropriate dose of that drug or other drugs might have been helpful. Being hospitalized and treated on an inpatient basis might have prevented the problem altogether. None of that happened.
@Ariesman81Nshiiit, yes, there's that whole list of drugs. Do you actually know what they do? Do you know what conditions they are effective for and which ones they are not effective for, and what conditions she had that caused the subsequent behavior? The medications that she was given actually didn't work for the condition that she had.
@Ariesman81Nshiiit, no - psychosis was the disease that caused her to kill her children. Psychiatrists and the drugs were supposed to provide effective treatment to prevent this, and they failed to do so. It's not because they were evil. It was because, at least in one case, the psychiatrist was very inexperienced missed the diagnosis which was admittedly a very difficult diagnosis, given the fact that the woman's symptoms seemed to wax and wane quite a bit. Even when they were present, I suspect that she did not tell her doctor about them because she was either ashamed of them or afraid of the consequences of admitting to them.
It's funny i listened to a lady the other day who gave an interview about having had postpatum psychosis. And she said the voices that told her to kill her babies was VERY REAL. But she also said she had the wherewithal to know it was not rational. And at first she tried to ignore it, but they were only getting louder and weren't going away.
I think these women need to hear this lady. Because had she not sought help, or if she had gotten the brush off (the medical community isn't always great at dealing with problems such as these). She may have ended up a statistic.
But above all this lady makes it clear that (in the beginning at least). You're very aware that what you're experiencing is NOT rational.
So i think it's fine to support the fact that this woman needed help. I think it would be a good thing for women to be encouraged to speak about their mental health after pregnancy. But at the end of the day while this is all very tragic, it is still murder. At the very least manslaughter.
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The fact that attemtping to even excuse her actions is even on the table. It absolutely matters not how distressed, depressed or mentally damaged you are, you absolutely never under ANY circumstances have ANY reason to murder anyone unless they are attacking you. ESPECIALLY CHILDREN!
I don't think anyone is trying to excuse her actions. They are absolutely inexcusable, but the real decision that needs to be made, as crazy as it sounds, is: she going to spend her life in prison, or is she going to spend her life in a psychiatric hospital? That's the choice, and that isn't much of a choice. Given what has happened and given the likely cause of what happened, I don't think it would be unreasonable to be merciful to this woman who spent her life in a hospital. Punishment and vengeance solve nothing. I believe that Jesus would counsel mercy.
I'm following this case in Massachusetts. In all other states, the Defense has to prove that she was psychotic when she killed her children. Massachusetts Law is unique in that it requires the Prosecution to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that she was not psychotic. Unless things change late in the trial, I don't think the Prosecution has done that; the Defense has poked enough holes in the Prosecution's case to shed some doubt. I believe she will be found not guilty, and will spend the rest of her life in a mental institution.
I could care less if it's PPD or any other condition. She could have removed her self from the situation, she could have placed the kids with relatives or literally anything other than killing her kids. She's a fucking monster. She's evil. This is not nuanced. She doesn't deserve sympathy, she deserves prison. That poor dad just had his kids taken from him by the person he was supposed to trust the most. There is no coming back from that
I guarantee if the genders were reversed no one would be supporting him and they would be calling for his death. Fuck anyone that supports this monster. Someone needs to get a lost of donors and have thier children taken from the people on that list.
Crazy.
I think "post partum psychosis" is a defense that may resonate in academic circles and with defense attorneys but a jury isn't gonna buy that "justice" for her three dead kids who she strangled to death. I know what my vote would be.
People who kill their kids are terrible and need to be eradicated.
I don't care what anyone has , or it's official definition.
YOU DONT KILL YOUR CHILDREN.
She has made that choice now in this instance she herself should die via lethal injection , there are NO excuses , anybody could use some form of insanity as an excuse.
I would..
She killed the children , I have no interest in the excuses , waste of space.
Or worse still marked " never to be released " that's more painful.
" We " - " We " actually don't execute anybody , so that statement makes no sense..
I'm saying this is what I would do , it's kindest , most principled result for her..
In the words of Caddyshack..
" Didn't want to do it , felt I owed it to them " ...
I agree with having compassion for someone who was experiencing postpartum psychosis, but I don’t agree with using it to completely excuse what happened. I think both things can be true: she may have been seriously unwell, and what happened to her children was still horrific. Having empathy for her mental state doesn’t mean having less sympathy for the children or their family.
No I won't have open empathy for female problems because people don't have empathy for male problems. Read a previous comment of mine on this page to see why.
I think there can be two truths at the same time. Her postpartum psychosis could be the reason behind her actions, true, but this is obviously not ethical either. You can't use this as an excuse for murder but this is an example of why postpartum care should not be neglected. The scene out of the courthouse is disgusting. I believe there are right times to show support for moms going through postpartum psychosis and this is not it.
Someone experiencing psychosis can see or hear things that are not real and react to seeing these delusions and hallucinations as if they are occurring. Based on this, and the fact that she tried to kill herself after hearing voices that told her she could not take care of her children, I think this person has a case. It's very sad. She's a paraplegic for life, her husband divorced her and married someone else. Her life is ruined whatever happens.
If this was a man who strangled his own kids, then there would be absolutely no discussion on what will be done with him. He would either get life without parole or be sentenced to death in the blink of an eye. Mental illness is a real disease, and there is no disputing that. Still, it doesn't excuse her actions. She could have handled the situation differently in more ways than one. I have a hard time accepting the notion that a woman who is capable of strangling her own children is the victim.
I've had psychosis before. Pretty severe at times. I still knew what I was doing. I never laid hands on people during it. She's full of shit
Never heard about her, what has she done?
Did she kill someone? Shall i prepare the hanging role, tell me witch 🤔
*rope
WoW, a living demon 😳
What do you mean by you aren't bothered? 🤔
Are you ok with what she did to her children?
I understand that not all women are suited to be mothers but these children are innocent lives, they were killed by their own mother and you don't mind, no bothered, no nothing 🤦🏻♂️
Correct. Let me explain this the best I can.
There's two forms of empathy, emotional and cognitive.
Emotional empathy is like you telling me your mom died, and me knowing that pain and feeling it with you.
Cognitive empathy is like you telling me your mom died, and me registering that it likely sucks but emotionally it has the same impact as telling me you got a flat tire and wound up 3 minutes late to work.
So it's not you who wants to be like that, it's that illness you're suffering from makes you have zero emotions toward others, a psychological issue you mean?
Is it possible because of the way you were brought up, you have been raped, hurt, suffered from pain, threatned to be killed... etc, and in the end no one cared about you or even felt bad towards all the bad things that had happened with you...
You became the person that you are now 🤷🏻♂️
If you're not able to feel sympathy or care, aren't you also able to love, like what are the things that still make your feelings works?
I can love, at least what I understand to be love. Devotion, affection, desire, protectiveness, a desire to be gentle with them. .
My feelings tend to range from extremes. Hostility, passion, love, hate. The things that stir a genuine emotional reaction as opposed to one I pretend, are limited. Say, if someone hurts @SecretsofKB, ill kill them and their entire family, and I won't feel anything. Why? Because I adore her, and nobody hurts what's mine. But on the other end, depending on how that hurt manifests, ill physically feel and understand it, as actual empathy, because I've felt it myself.
I see, who is this girl? Why do you care so much about her? Was she present when me and you used to talk in the past from years ago?
Because the way you like her and ready to do all this for her in case she's hurt made me curious to know about why she's so important to you...
Anyway, i'm glad because at least you have found someone who gives you positive feelings and makes you feel good...
Well if that's the case, what would you for a friend whom you knew for long years, more than a decade of your life, plus this particular friend had saved your life once when you were in your lowest point, prevented you from suicide and managed to make your happy again... etc
Does he counts? 😄
You knew who i was talking about but smart move 😏👍🏻
Silence of the lambs Clarisse, i like it when you just go silent like that, we both know who this man is, even after years you came back to him and decided that you want peace with him, something inside of you had made you snap and made you realize that you have used all your powers and everyone you knew in every possible way to eliminate him but he kept going stronger and never surrendered until MAYBE one day you asked yourself: "what am i doing? If i'm alive today, it's because of this man, when there was no one in my life and i decided to leave this world, he was the only one who was there for me, not only he saved me, he made sure to make me feel happy and cared for again" ...
It's good to have self peace and admits the facts sometimes miss Agape, anyway it's enough for me that deep inside your brain you know the whole truth, even if you don't want to admit it 😏
Hey, one more thing i need to add, a baby isn't a parasite, it's a gift from god, so making love and having this seed inside of you is a seed of love, this new is the result of a union between a man and a woman who loves each other and their new born baby is made of both, will represent both of them, the parents and their baby or babies will be a one family... etc
So it ain't a parasite at all!
The real parasites are the ones who made you become like this in your life and i think that they paid or still paying the price...
Nothing is impossible, if you were living somewhere near to my place, you know that it might be possible for me to heal you...
I can feel that deep inside of you i can still find that young innocent girl who is in pain and bleeding from her wounds caused by monsters in this life, i might be able to heal these wounds and make this girl find comfort and happiness again in her life, but sadly i'm on the other side of the world...
The women who are defending this killer are just as FUBAR as Clancy. Moreover, whatever the reason for Clancy murdering her children, doesn't negate the fact that there are three deceased children. The courts can find her psychotic all they want, but in a healthy society this woman would be thrown into a burning pit.
I think Lindsay Clancy probably was psychotic or is having a psychotic episode at the time she murdered her children. Years of postpartum health and her lack of symptoms during those years mitigate against it to some degree. People do have temporary psychotic episodes all the time. The ones that follow the birth of a child are particularly dangerous.
These people are sick. I heard one on the radio today and she said that she wanted to show Lindsey how much she loved her and her children. A real moonbat.
I think the ones blaming it on the guy are totally nuts. The psychosis thing I guess kinda makes sense. She seems like she's got that blankness crazy people get. But what do I know?
People who murder children are crazy... she murdered children... therefore she is crazy. Let's shut down all the prisons, hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
You do the crime, you do the time. Simple.
People can sympathize all they want , she is still fucked in the head , and needs to be behind bars for the rest of her life and let her ass suffer like her children suffered from her mental ass
Disgusting. Just another attempt by feminism to convince society that it's ok to murder children if you're a woman.
Hang her high, quarter or burn her.
I don't care if the devil made her do it. She did it.
It was probably Nikki who reported and got it moved to nonsense.
Or the other one who is love-obessed with guys using anon. It's a feature of the website.
They can go to threads or reddit.
She killed 3 of her kids separately by strangulation.. The support shows how stupid people truly are.
*women
It's not men donating to her & wearing pink themed support shirts.
@Taranis_Thunor No but men still be reproducing with these crackheads so I'm sure men are just as stupid.
And women still reproduce with rapists because some women have a kink for it. Can't just allow the women to be responsible for their actions now can we?
When a crazy bitch who might do something like that tells you she's a crazy bitch who might do something like that it makes sense to take her seriously. This type of thing has happened before.
Lindsay Clancy is a cold blooded murderer and the people who support her are sociopaths. They should all be executed.
Wasn't something quite similar asked only yesterday?
I think it's just a sign of the times. You know, 'The sun rises in the West and sets in the East', etc.
I would caution against attributing the acts of an individual to something an entire group experience.
If the women want this association that is their choice. However if this is the conclusion then every mother shall be subject to mandatory weekly psych evaluations. And if they don't suck their evaluators cock just right they will be temporarily institutionalised for both their and their child's safety.
They all need to go to prison labor camps. Every supporter.
Yeah I got 3 warnings over carefully worded good right wing points because some pathetic sack of shit snitched or a soulless Reddit tier moderator spotted my comments.
I am not in the courtroom, so I do not have all the info to make an informed decision. I reserve an opinion till all is said and done. The Court of public opinion is not valid.
Every time I see this question and the large picture I cringe and it stays in the same spot because they probably made your question great and that’s why it stays in the same location
I can understand feeling sympathy for someone suffering from severe postpartum psychosis, but I don’t think it should erase the horror of what happened or the lives of the children. Compassion and accountability can exist at the same time.
Would you extend that same sympathy towards a man with a bad temper who loses it & beats his wife up? No?
Don't sympathise with this woman then. It's the same thing.
she might have a mental illness that is exacerbated by post partum depression. it's not necessarily that she must be an evil person. Understand what psychosis means when you write psychosis.
@msc545 of course
@msc545 I'm a nursing student. We study this stuff. And Lotta people don't take maternal health seriously. Single mothers are left all alone to work a job, do all the housework, do all the child care while they are still in very much need of care themselves. It's not fair. And it seems like maternal mental health isn't taken seriously in this country. Post partum depression is a very serious thing.
@msc545
There is a good chance this mother already had pre existing mental health conditions which were exacerbated by post partum depression. Chances are she is a single mother with no help and nobody cares cares about her.
@msc545
her husband actually divorced her and moved away. Way too many moms are left on their own raising kids without help. It should be illegal for husbands to move away leaving new moms all alone.
US mother on trial for killing her children was 'begging for help' before tragedy, her family testifies
www.abc.net.au/.../107058438
@msc545
her husband actually recently remarried another woman in a completely another state.
Her killing the kids was also the husband's fault. How does any father abandon his children for a helpless mother with mental health issues?
I'm 100% confident this woman's ex husband is experiencing enormous guilt right now.
If I lost my temper and beat my wife up for being autistic, having high testosterone and a biologically susceptable to a bad temperament, does society start to sympathise or do they fantasies about such a man being raped in prison (which is morally far worse then beating a woman in my opinion).
This is why I will not empathise with women's issues because they don't empathise with men's issues when we empathise with your issues all the time.
@Taranis_Thunor
Just because a few women don't sympathize with men... it doesn't mean all women are like that
I promise you will never find a wife with that kinda attitude. You will die a lonely neglected old man
Plus, women have it way harder than men. Women are more likely to be single parents, make less money in life, more likely to be killed by their husband's or boyfriends, more likely to be raped or sex trafficked or sexually assaulted
@msc545
No he was mistreating her before the murders
A simple Google search led to a new york times article stating that he consistently ignored her pleas for help and abandoned her with all 3 children all the time.
@msc545
Women need to be careful about who they marry. Because most men are bad and will abandon her and the kids once she stops entertaining him. Most men don't care about their kids.
He was probably at work making money to support all four of the people that depended on him. I realize that's a terrible sin, but I'm sure that the other terrible sin he could have committed would have been not making enough money. I wouldn't call that abandonment. Of course, she's saying that she pleaded for help, and I think she did, but not necessarily to her husband, who was not capable or educated enough to help her with the difficulty she was having. She did plead for help from the medical establishment. She got very little care, and none of the care she got was adequate. In particular, she had the bad luck to wind up with a very inexperienced and, apparently, to some extent, incompetent woman who was her psychiatrist. That was not her husband's fault.
@msc545
He didn't care about his kids... If he did, he would've hired a nanny to help her care for the kids. He would've brought his kids to live with him and his new wife. He could've provided child care for his kids after he got off work
This is a huge reminder to society that raising children is 100% a burden to only mothers
This is the same reason why so many young women don't have to children nowadays
Women have always been the ones doing all the work raising kids without help.
@msc545
What kind of father will abandon his kids to be cared for a mentally ill woman? Move to another state, marry another woman then forget about them?
Then he acts shocked when his kids are dead.
Apparently society has forgotten that fathers are also responsible for their own children
Don't lie that the father didn't have the money... he's a doctor.
@msc545
microsoft workers make a ton of money, especially in sales.
"Other than a psychotic illness itself, there is no other mental illness that will turn postpartum depression into psychosis."
yea... says a non medical expert.
the mother was so depressed and hopeless and UNABLE to survive as mother which was why she killed the kids... she was literally driven insane.
Had the father been there helping her... none of this would've happened.
I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.
@msc545
Lindsay Clancy also worked a job throughout all her pregnancies and up until the time of the murders.
www.google.com/search
I don't think she deserves any blame for what she did. She must've been going through hell.
To be working a hard job, coming come to do all the work of raising 3 kids alone, going through deep depression while still trying to physically recover from the trauma of birth, a husband who dismisses and ignores her pleas for help.
what a poor woman
@msc545
this is what you call a "married, single mom"
I think she became ill and as a result of that murdered her children. And that is in no way her husband's fault. What bothers me about your conversation is your incessant need to somehow make the father the bad guy in this. As someone else mentioned, he is nothing more than another victim. If it wasn't a perfect husband, then he can join the rest of us. Nobody is perfect in these situations. That includes you with your incessant blaming.
@msc545
Because If the father was there helping her, those kids wouldn't have been murdered
It's not hard to understand
@msc545
Father helping her would've relieved her stress, gave her more time to sleep and recover from birthing all 3 children. The fact she still has to still work a job shows how tortured she was. A well rested relaxed mother means she will actually have the energy to care for her kids. This lady was driven insane from stress and depression
@msc545
What kind of a father who loves his kids will abandon his kids for an exhausted stressed mentally ill woman to raise?
He ran away to another state and married a new woman.
There is no bigger sign of abandonment than that
@msc545 this pink anon is an absolute lunatic. I stopped reading anything she wrote after she said that the father was responsible for her killing the children. Unfuckingbelievable. This is such a typical mindset of women nowadays. No responsibility, no accountability, just point the finger! 🤣@opinion owner- is there ANYTHING that you don't go anonymous for? Shows some real conviction behind your beliefs when you can't even own what you say
NGL... this does read a lot like a scorned woman. Affairs perhaps? Her self induced stress leading up to psychotic episodes were too much so he pulled back? Had an affair? Was about to? She lost her fucking mind and was hell bent on making him suffer.
Would line up with personal experience.
@Ariesman81Nshiiit
she worked a full time job all throughout 3 pregnancies. Most likely never fully recovered from all pregnancies because she had to work a job while raising all 3 kids by herself. Then now, she has post partum depression, lack of sleep, exhaustion, stress, her husband isn't helping and most likely cheating on her
why wouldn't she lose her fucking mind?
@Kingofkings1992
no one said the father was responsible for killing the children. he was a major factor in causing her to kill her children
don't make up random lies to make me look bad
nobody cares what you say... woman hater.
I did say self induced stress.
If we assume $300k on the conservative side, it's still PLENTY to raise a family on. So the question begs, why was she working to begin with? A couple possible scenarios come to my mind.
1. Feminism told her she needed to Do It All (Inverted Stepford Wife)
2. Her husband in fact forced her to work (Unrealistic expectations of success)
3. She used work to escape the kids (Disassociation)
Lol, White women will do anything but take responsibility, it seems.
You can just say women. There was no need for the word "white" in this statement
What is with all the questions about her? Obsessed?
Well people love sick criminal people and they hate normal people
I don't know how anyone defends her. There must have been signs. She had chances to stop herself.
Anyone who "sees themselves" in Clancy needs to be put in the box.
Funny You should word it this way, @Snakeyes7:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1et1WEvJITY
@CalmUntilAbused You read my mind. Glad to see another Leaflit fan here.
@Snakeyes7 I actually found out about Her from Her Shoe0nHead reactions, but I absolutely fell in love (of the parasocial variety) with Her when I found Her gun showcase video. She's normally pretty chill, though. I might have considered making the lyrics of "Put them in the box" a bit more dark, like having the walls be made of wood... The creatures this song is about are serious threats to the society at large, after all!
@CalmUntilAbused I used to think vtubers were cringe, until I realized that anonymity aspect is a great way for women to go against the perceived consensus and say what they really think. The fact that a lot of vtubers are deciding to weigh in on people like Shoe or Asmongold really made me come around to them and also preventing me from completely losing hope with women in general.
@Snakeyes7, in the words of the woman, the myth, the legend, Führerin Shoe0nHead Herself:
"You mean why do so many female VTubers disagree with You? Why so many aren't toeing the mainstream liberal feminist NPC line? Because they can. See, the most powerful weapon women have against other women is social ostracization. You don't want to be seen as a pickme or a racist, so You keep Your mouth shut in order to survive in female social circles. But in the cases of VTubers, Virtual Youtubers, they're basically anonymous. They can say anything they want. They are basically wearing a mask. They're free from the chain of the eternal HR longhouse."
@CalmUntilAbused Did she say that on X? I don't use that very often but I know she has been using it a lot lately rightfully crashing out of the horrors of the idiocracy we live in. Based either way.
It proves we should probably repeal the 19th amendment
Women shouldn't be allowed to vote. They're too self-absorbed and stupid.
I wonder if most of the people who support her now still would if they knew she was a Trump supporter. Interesting idea, isn't it?
I have no idea who she is.
Women are never held accountable
It’s bull. She knew what she was doing
I know, but I'm also a doctor and a mental health specialist, and I know all about postpartum psychosis. That woman had it and still does, probably. She is going to get a great deal if she is found to have been mentally ill at the time that she committed those crimes, and she is going to spend the rest of her life in a mental hospital. If she is found guilty of crimes, criminally, she will spend the rest of her life in prison. Bad choices.
Disgusting people
Evil supports evil.
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