In recent news, a passenger on a plane was wrapped in duct tape after he started to exercise his free speech rights and start a riveting debate on the black and gay communities.
But he's not the first, several people have had their 1st amendment rights violated on planes with duct tape. So should he and others sue these commie Airways?
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Is duct taping passengers a violation of their free speech rights?
Duct taping a male or female "Karen" is perfectly acceptable etiquette on any public conveyance. But be sure to wrap their hair under the tape. It serves as an added reminder on the back end of their "episode" every time they look in the mirror for the next 6 months.
And be sure to duct tape their hands to their ankles after folding them over so their face is pointed the floor for the duration of the flight. It makes it safer for the "Karen" in the event as they are already in the tuck position. And the cops will appreciate the neat tidy package when carrying the asshole off the plane.
I don’t think free speech is the issue. First of all, the Constitution protects free speech from being infringed upon by the government. It has been stretched to include other aspects of life in the US not directly under government control, but pervasive enough to effect everyone. That said, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. Democracy rules when you’re sharing a confined space with others. You can be an *sshole, but they can shut you the f*ck up too! 😂😂😂 There is a possible crime of unlawful detention here unless an air marshal was involved. I’m not sure how much legal authority a pilot actually has as “captain” of the airship. Maybe they can authorize this stuff. If it doesn’t go to court, we’ll have our answers. The remaining question is “Will these people learn their lesson, or choose the victimhood narrative?”.
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I guess you’re feeling ok Poppy you’re making other questions no food poisoning. I saw that on the news on TV. The airlines has certain rules when they’re getting ready to depart you have to be seated and put your seatbelts on Maybe he is holding up the plane I don’t know, but No a passenger should not be duct taped unless he’s causing a problem to other passengers or the flights in the air and he’s causing big problems, but if they’re on the ground, he should be asked to leave the flight if not, the police will come on board.
But if they are in the air what else can you do with a really disruptive passenger? The police would taz him and haul him off in cuffs. Maybe an Air Marshal ordered it. Who knows?
@NoDecision He probably asked for a pillow or blanket LOLOL🤣🤣🤣🤣 He was obviously, being very disruptive and causing a problem or that would never have happened.
Somewhat, sure. Although these cases are a little more than that I bet.
That said while I do not know the specifics of each of these cases the man in the first photo began by screaming gay and racial but was not acted against until he lunged at and began choking an air hostess. He also punched another woman, who had not attacked him, in the face. I think when we get into physical assault and choking someone without any visible intent of stopping this level of treatment is mild.
Being duct-taped rather than having some untrained person forcefully hold you down for hours seems a better treatment. Does make for some striking photos though.
Question: How would you like it if someone came into your house spouting crap that you do not want to hear, but you are twenty thousand feet up? An airplane is the same thing: you buy a ticket, you get a seat, your own area, and you paid for it. Now add some asshole who has everything to say but nothing to say about anything but disturbing things. Where are your rights to have the undisturbed space you paid for? I have a great idea: leave the plane. Oh, that's right, you are twenty thousand feet up; may be he/ they should leave the plane. One person is depriving the rest of the passengers [maybe one or three hundred] of their rights to the private area they purchased. As for the duct-taped is the person becoming violent, unstable, dangerous?
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No. They would have got a kicking from me, and I would use the "pills and alcohol made me do it" defense to get out of it.
Joking aside. Confined spaces like airplanes are a legal grey area, and there is a suspension of most rights as there is a danger to many people. Obviously in hindsight we can say "nothing happened" but in that instance, you cannot say a riot onboard would not occurred - or worse.
I am sure they got warnings and tried the "go ahead and do it!" cajole. So they got what they asked for. The cabin crew is there to serve after all.
All I can say is that someone's rights end where someone else's start.
In public transports for instance, people exercising their so-called freedom of speech, can get really very annoying and boring, even if what they say can make some sense.
It's wiser to choose a correct moment and place, not to mention there's a time to talk, and a time to shut up.
The most recent guy was heavily drunk, tossing around epithets, cursing and threatened another passenger. He was out of control. He would not stop yelling and acting out. Sometimes duct tape is necessary. This as well as the other cases are incredibly rare. They'd lose in court.
If this happens over international waters, then no. There is no jurisdiction with exception of few, murder and piracy laws made by UN. Inland flights is jurisdiction probably different form one country to another but generally holding a person who is a treat or themselves in custody to handing out this person over to next available Police patrok/station is covered with laws.
This is very rare. But when there is a safety concern at 30,000 feet, it doesn't seem unreasonable to restrain a person who is out of control. The last thing the crew wants is a riot and injured passengers. In a case like that, the airline would really be in trouble.
So I'm sure these idiots got what they deserved until the plane could land and police could haul them to jail. And I'm sure the other passengers would applaud.
It seems selective and that is the problem. We have all seen videos of black women causing issues only to be escorted off of the plane all while screaming racist remarks. I have seen more videos of that than anything but they hardly ever seem if any to be duct taped to a seat.
So if this is the rule, which ever way, then enforce it equally and the same way.
I've never liked the methods in restraining passengers on flights. - I feel like techniques and training and new methods would be more humane for all involved.
But I'm not qualified nor educated, I'm just giving a layman's opinion that - I find those photos distressing 😕😥
No. At cruise altitude if someone is causing a disturbance, as far as I'm concerned crews and passengers can do whatever they need to restrain him and quiet him down. I would have found a way to help render him unconscious.
Looks like it’s standard procedure on that companies airplane, why would people decide to do that when they’re flying with other people? Obviously, there must’ve been really bad and obnoxious for the crew to duct tape them.
Violating free speech? Wrapping someone in duct tape is illegal. You can go to jail for doing it. Okay, there wasn't a trial, but as the victim, that was my choice.
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No, it's not a violation of their free speech rights. You have a right to your opinions and a right to say what you want, but you do not have a right to be disruptive and a danger to others.
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Duct taping a male or female "Karen" is perfectly acceptable etiquette on any public conveyance. But be sure to wrap their hair under the tape. It serves as an added reminder on the back end of their "episode" every time they look in the mirror for the next 6 months.
And be sure to duct tape their hands to their ankles after folding them over so their face is pointed the floor for the duration of the flight. It makes it safer for the "Karen" in the event as they are already in the tuck position. And the cops will appreciate the neat tidy package when carrying the asshole off the plane.
I don’t think free speech is the issue. First of all, the Constitution protects free speech from being infringed upon by the government. It has been stretched to include other aspects of life in the US not directly under government control, but pervasive enough to effect everyone. That said, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. Democracy rules when you’re sharing a confined space with others. You can be an *sshole, but they can shut you the f*ck up too! 😂😂😂
There is a possible crime of unlawful detention here unless an air marshal was involved. I’m not sure how much legal authority a pilot actually has as “captain” of the airship. Maybe they can authorize this stuff. If it doesn’t go to court, we’ll have our answers. The remaining question is “Will these people learn their lesson, or choose the victimhood narrative?”.
I guess you’re feeling ok Poppy you’re making other questions no food poisoning. I saw that on the news on TV. The airlines has certain rules when they’re getting ready to depart you have to be seated and put your seatbelts on Maybe he is holding up the plane I don’t know, but No a passenger should not be duct taped unless he’s causing a problem to other passengers or the flights in the air and he’s causing big problems, but if they’re on the ground, he should be asked to leave the flight if not, the police will come on board.
But if they are in the air what else can you do with a really disruptive passenger? The police would taz him and haul him off in cuffs. Maybe an Air Marshal ordered it. Who knows?
@NoDecision He probably asked for a pillow or blanket LOLOL🤣🤣🤣🤣 He was obviously, being very disruptive and causing a problem or that would never have happened.
Somewhat, sure. Although these cases are a little more than that I bet.
That said while I do not know the specifics of each of these cases the man in the first photo began by screaming gay and racial but was not acted against until he lunged at and began choking an air hostess. He also punched another woman, who had not attacked him, in the face. I think when we get into physical assault and choking someone without any visible intent of stopping this level of treatment is mild.
Being duct-taped rather than having some untrained person forcefully hold you down for hours seems a better treatment. Does make for some striking photos though.
Question: How would you like it if someone came into your house spouting crap that you do not want to hear, but you are twenty thousand feet up? An airplane is the same thing: you buy a ticket, you get a seat, your own area, and you paid for it. Now add some asshole who has everything to say but nothing to say about anything but disturbing things. Where are your rights to have the undisturbed space you paid for? I have a great idea: leave the plane. Oh, that's right, you are twenty thousand feet up; may be he/ they should leave the plane. One person is depriving the rest of the passengers [maybe one or three hundred] of their rights to the private area they purchased. As for the duct-taped is the person becoming violent, unstable, dangerous?
No. They would have got a kicking from me, and I would use the "pills and alcohol made me do it" defense to get out of it.
Joking aside. Confined spaces like airplanes are a legal grey area, and there is a suspension of most rights as there is a danger to many people. Obviously in hindsight we can say "nothing happened" but in that instance, you cannot say a riot onboard would not occurred - or worse.
I am sure they got warnings and tried the "go ahead and do it!" cajole. So they got what they asked for. The cabin crew is there to serve after all.
All I can say is that someone's rights end where someone else's start.
In public transports for instance, people exercising their so-called freedom of speech, can get really very annoying and boring, even if what they say can make some sense.
It's wiser to choose a correct moment and place, not to mention there's a time to talk, and a time to shut up.
The most recent guy was heavily drunk, tossing around epithets, cursing and threatened another passenger. He was out of control. He would not stop yelling and acting out. Sometimes duct tape is necessary. This as well as the other cases are incredibly rare. They'd lose in court.
If this happens over international waters, then no. There is no jurisdiction with exception of few, murder and piracy laws made by UN. Inland flights is jurisdiction probably different form one country to another but generally holding a person who is a treat or themselves in custody to handing out this person over to next available Police patrok/station is covered with laws.
This is very rare. But when there is a safety concern at 30,000 feet, it doesn't seem unreasonable to restrain a person who is out of control. The last thing the crew wants is a riot and injured passengers. In a case like that, the airline would really be in trouble.
So I'm sure these idiots got what they deserved until the plane could land and police could haul them to jail. And I'm sure the other passengers would applaud.
It seems selective and that is the problem. We have all seen videos of black women causing issues only to be escorted off of the plane all while screaming racist remarks. I have seen more videos of that than anything but they hardly ever seem if any to be duct taped to a seat.
So if this is the rule, which ever way, then enforce it equally and the same way.
I've never liked the methods in restraining passengers on flights. - I feel like techniques and training and new methods would be more humane for all involved.
But I'm not qualified nor educated, I'm just giving a layman's opinion that - I find those photos distressing 😕😥
No. At cruise altitude if someone is causing a disturbance, as far as I'm concerned crews and passengers can do whatever they need to restrain him and quiet him down. I would have found a way to help render him unconscious.
Looks like it’s standard procedure on that companies airplane, why would people decide to do that when they’re flying with other people? Obviously, there must’ve been really bad and obnoxious for the crew to duct tape them.
Free Speech only goes so far & people take it to far & think you can use it everywhere.
They shoot people multiple times in the head for no reason in the USA. A little duct tape is probably a mild punishment by American standards.
Violating free speech? Wrapping someone in duct tape is illegal. You can go to jail for doing it. Okay, there wasn't a trial, but as the victim, that was my choice.
No, it's not a violation of their free speech rights. You have a right to your opinions and a right to say what you want, but you do not have a right to be disruptive and a danger to others.
Calling an airline commie airways for duct taping an unruly passenger is a wild take Pretty sure safety regulations trump your mid-flight debate club
No way. If you're a menace or a danger especially mid air it's a safety move
Not for this jerk. They should have put a parachute on him and thrown him out
Been on flights like this. Usually they are American and black.
They're getting free waxing and facial strips to clean out their pores.
notice that all were white.
I dont leave home with out it ( duck tape)
Is this sh*t real? 😳
It depends on what they did or said