Why are Europeans turning to the far right instead of having children?

[MerakSahibi]

The roots of this go back to the aftermath of World War II. Germany had lost a huge part of its male population and workforce, so labor migration first came from Italy and later from Turkey. In many ways, it was a sensible move.

But eventually, the family structure and Christian values that had once held your societies together gave way to feminism and LGBT culture. Your populations can no longer even reproduce themselves. Nigerian women may have seven or eight children, while European women, even under the most favorable conditions—with state benefits, maternity leave, and so on—seem increasingly reluctant to become mothers.

Or was Nietzsche right? Once a society has completed its industrialization, is what follows inevitably nihilism and despair?

It reminds me of a story told among Sufi mystics:

Two men meet. One is an Indian fakir, the other a man with a respectable profession. The professional man, with an arrogant air, asks the fakir:

“Who are you?”

The fakir replies:

“I am nothing. Who are you?”

“I am a university lecturer.”

“And then?”

“I'll become a doctor.”

“And then?”

“An associate professor.”

“And then?”

“A professor.”

“And then?”

“Nothing.”

Hearing this, the fakir says:

“Look. After all those years of effort, all that striving and ambition, you have finally arrived at the place I reached from the very beginning. I am already nothing.”

[tiredpanda]

Women aren't baby factories whose purpose is to maintain a particular population size or solve Europe's demographic problems. Having children is a personal decision, not a civic duty. Maybe instead of blaming feminism and LGBT people for declining birth rates, we could look at the rather boring explanations: housing costs, economic insecurity, childcare, work-life balance, and the fact that people are now free to decide whether they actually want children.

You don't get to decide that other people should have children just because you think society needs more of them.

[MerakSahibi]

The very essence of a woman is explained by the etymology of the word itself: “wife of man.”

The glorification of the individual is nothing more than liberal masturbation. We humans are herd animals; that is simply how our biology works. Needing other people is not a sign of weakness or something to be ashamed of

[tiredpanda]

Calling women “wives of men” doesn't somehow establish that their purpose is to serve men or reproduce for society. Women are people in their own right, not an extension of whoever they happen to marry. Nobody said humans don't need other people. There's a rather large difference between recognising that we're social beings and claiming that individuals owe society children. People can value family, community and relationships while still deciding that they don't want children. Those ideas aren't remotely contradictory. You seem to be arguing against a position nobody actually made just so you can get back to telling other people what their reproductive role should be

[Agape93]

Don't worry about it, stick to your own shitty country.

[MerakSahibi]

I am in Germany, brother

[Agape93]

No you're not. You just want to be.

[capriVib]

I don't really get it either. They complain that their countries are being taken over by immigrants, but at the same time they say Germany needs immigrants because many of them work in skilled trades and other essential jobs. There's contradiction there.

When it comes to having children, people aren't willing to give up their comfort to raise them. At this rate, if I were the government, I'd make having at least two children per woman mandatory if we really don't want immigrants.

[Just_Ken]

It isn't far right. Its the centre or moderate. The left has moved so far left that what was the centre is now the right.

Germany made a mistake with immigration and their people are paying the price. You think Turkey would allow themselves to be flooded with the 3rd world and pay them all welfare? I dont think so.

[NaultD]

End stage capitalism. No one actually believes in anything including a better future. People are double downing and cashing in to a reality without a future and that is fucking scary.

[Anonymous]

A female user here responded "because that is their choice". In other words, Western women are choosing to destroy their own society.

[Anonymous]

Because that is their choice.

[MerakSahibi]

But don't come crying afterward, sweetheart

[Paige2006]

Too expensive