As Europeans, are you afraid of Russia?

Question

Europe has experienced the longest period of peace in its history, but will this last forever? With the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war and Russian drones being spotted in the Baltics, are you worried about the possibility of the war spilling over to you?

Macron once said that NATO was experiencing 'brain death.' America allows neither the creation of a European army nor strong national armies. In the East, there is Türkiye—a NATO ally—yet it purchases S-400s from Russia, aligns with them when convenient, and issues threats toward Greece and Israel. Do you really think Turks will fight and die for Europe? The UK and France have nuclear weapons, but will that go beyond mere deterrence?

Considering that your military's remote control is in the hands of the US, does it create anxiety that you are trapped between Russian and American exploitation?

OneViewpoint · Accepted Answer

Europe and the UK are between a rock and a hard place. They chose to trust and rely on a US ally that has shown it is no longer a reliable or trustworthy partner. NATO and the EU has repeatedly shunned Turkey and stonewalled any progress toward full membership and recognition as a partner. What did they expect Turkey to do, sit there all alone and hope for the best?

On the flip side, Russia has just shown the world how weak they really are. The Russian military has essentially not advanced meaningfully in leadership, tactics, technology, or equipment since WWII. The Russian economy is heavily weighted in oil and gas and very vulnerable. The trap for anyone who ever fought Russia was trying to conquer it and occupy the geography. If you avoid that stupidity, Russia is weak and easily brought to its knees with modern air power.

I don't think the EU is irrationally scared of Putin's conventional military capability. But I don't think they're exactly comfortable having a fascist regime with nukes on their eastern border either.

Laws-Of-Existence · Accepted Answer

The war is started by jews, the kike president of ukraine physically sold the country to jew owned corporations, openly stated that he wants ukraine to be a "bigger israel", the same way hui der leyen exclaimed that Europe has "jewish values". I'm just stirring up what i wrote here last year. Don't forget that American jews created hitler, there was no "economical miracle that instantly turned germany from a brother into the world capital", no matter how much "nazi" and "antisemitism" are thrown at ukraine. Jews manufactured nazism, jews started the war in ukraine to take over just like they did in palestine.  ㅤ

Anonymous · Accepted Answer

Honestly, yes, I think Russia is something Europeans should take seriously, but I don't think the answer is simply expecting America to protect Europe forever.

Europe needs to be able to defend itself too. I also wouldn't assume that Turkey would or wouldn't fight for Europe. If a serious conflict happened, nobody really knows exactly how every country would respond.

And when it comes to Britain and France having nuclear weapons, I see them more as a deterrent than something anyone actually wants to use.

Personally, I'd rather see European countries become more capable of defending themselves instead of constantly wondering who would come to their rescue.

Anonymous · Accepted Answer

You’re Turkish, dude. Stop obsessing over Europeans and kissing Russian ass. You’re so fixated on Europe go pay a little attention to your own country.

RavVid · Answer

I'm curious you say that America allows neither the creation of a European army or strong national armies when US Presidents have been pressuring Europe to dedicate more GDP to their forces for a long time.

The Global Power Index leaves much to be desired as it gives too much weight to sheer numbers in uniform. But at least it is a yard stick. It is somewhat ludicrous that Spain with a population close to double Australia's has a lower Global Firepower.

Europe's problem is that whilst it has quite a large population and a large GDP, it is a collection of small countries. Lichtenstein has a population of 40,000 so they have no armed forces but they do have one of the highest GDP per capita in the world.

At least the small European countries should militarily merge so the Lichtensteins contribute.

Pohjolan · Answer

For starters Ukraine is part of Europe as are former members of Yugoslavia.

So that peace lasted a whopping 15 years. America doesn't really get a say in whether europeans build strong armies or not and congress would hardly end sales of spare parts to allies.

Also you also have to take into account issues Russia faces like they now have to import fuel by sea which would end by a NATO or even just a JEF naval blockade. Kind of hard to fight a prolonged war on multiple fronts when you start to run out of fuel on day 1.

Levin · Answer

I find the whole Russian boogeyman rather silly.

Europe is being destroyed from the inside by successive socialist and globalist governments. We are indebted to fuck. The economy is suffocating under excessive regulation, welfare and net zero. We have no borders with the third world pouring in. Our national identities are being destroyed. The list goes on and on, and on. Nothing to do with Russia.

Russia is a little fly on a meal compared to that shit.

capriVib · Answer

They're scared because they got caught completely off guard for this whole war thing. their own people don't want to serve in the military and they don't even have a solid competent army.

They're stepping on the gas at the last minute now, but if they actually pour money into their defense and build a proper military, russia should be the one scared of Europe instead.

jshm2 · Answer

Lol, you have it all wrong. The world nearly always has been between two axis.

This is the first time it is between three axis. China, Iran and Russia

Europe is done. it has only bluster, theft and theatrics left. The USA is finished, as Iran has downgraded the US military into a pirate band.

Israel is basically Rhodesia 2.0 and will be finished as a historic boil on the ass of history.

Alexandrubaschet08 · Answer

Turkey will fight for NATO, because they forever hated Russia and are as well historical rival in the Black Sea.
Russia is shit in all aspects and yes, France and UK will use nuks if Russia try something very stupid. The France and UK nuks are a real things not like the SF russian one.
Russia can go and F itself!

NewtoCalifornia · Answer

Europe has experience peace because of United States peacekeeping efforts there. Russia wants to expand, but I don't think it will be successful in the foreseeable future.

You should read an American diplomat named George Kennan. He correctly argued decades ago that Russia wants to expand and the USA is needed in Europe to prevent this.

Always remember, Russia wants to expand. Russia wants to expand. They will use whatever excuse necessary to expand.

Anonymous · Answer

Yeah but Europe also used to be relevant. From the fall of the roman empire till about ww2 Europe was probably the biggest players on the world stage. WW2 ended that. I'm not saying Europe has nothing of value. It's just not the prize anymore.

DryGermanGuy · Answer

Yes and no. It looks like the Putinist regime will give up their USSR 2.0 fantasies only when their military is soundly beaten by Ukraine or Putin hanged from a yardarm by his own people.

andreasderjuengere · Answer

Ha ha. In 1990 I saw with my own eyes what was left of them (in Germany's ''East''). We had been fooled for decades. Meanwhile I know a good number of Russians who are nice people.

FrodoSkywalker007 · Answer

Many Europeans are blind to this reality because they've comfortably lived under US protection 🤷‍♂️  Maybe they will wake up.

katiesmuff · Answer

If they aren't they certainly should be, just as the US should be afraid.

Kelly6 · Answer

@meraksahibi not at all. but we see US as threat

Kvass · Answer

They should be. The NATO they rely on keeps showing it’s shit at beating Russia.

RFC1872 · Answer

They should be afraid of Jews. Jews have destroyed Europe. Jews have destroyed the west and now they are going to destroy the world by pulling everyone into a global conflict.

Anonymous · Answer

Britain has already been invaded and not by Russia. France has already fallen

loveslongnails · Answer

Russia is stretched so thin you can see their camel toe. Drones are your big worry?

genericname85 · Answer

i'm not afraid of russia. i'm afraid of war.

tiredpanda · Answer

Nope.

Anonymous · Answer

Leaders are. I'm not.

blackeagle007 · Answer

The E. U needs to step it up

Anonymous · Answer

Russia can't even handle Ukraine

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