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This is something I thought of.
It makes sense as well, given the context. Tax payer money funds the operations of both the federal and state governments… (yes I understand there are other forms of taxes, but income taxes make up the bulk of the funds)
Aside from that, how did we get to the point where some states have made it illegal to show id to cast your opinion on how our country should be ran… yet we need an id to drive, buy alcohol, buy a gun etc… all of which can result in life changing outcomes in people’s lives?
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Do you agree that only employed; tax payers should be allowed to vote?
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Well, I mean, you have to show ID to REGISTER to vote. That’s the important part. There’s never been any significant issue with people showing up and voting in someone else’s place. Like there’d need to be millions of instances of that to really be impactful, or at least tens or hundreds of thousands. I’m not sure it exceeds the dozens. So all the voter ID stuff is a solution in search of a problem.
A couple goofs actually tried to vote illegally in I think Minnesota, just as a social media stunt, and they’re catching felonies for it. So it’s not as easy to pull off as some would want us to think, and like I was saying, there’s just not much record of problems like this to begin with.
Also, if I get pulled over without my license on me, I might get an extra citation for not being in physical possession of it, but I won’t be penalized as if I was never licensed in the first place. The licensing was achieved at an earlier time, and the physical license is symbolic of it. In the age of computer databases, we don’t really need possession to prove our clearance and verify our appearance; that can be ascertained with some basic information. Having the hard copy just eliminates an extra step for law enforcement.
I see voting registration as the same. We already did the part where we proved we’re eligible to vote. And until 5-, 6-, 7-figure numbers of people start reporting that they showed up to vote only to find their ballot had already been given out to and submitted by an impostor, I don’t see any reason to fix what isn’t broken.
The bottom line is that voting is a Constitutional right, and we should therefore be making it as easy as possible to vote — and I don’t think that necessarily has to equate “less secure.” We want as many people to vote as possible, theoretically.
As far as tightening who gets to vote…it leaves room for a lot of exclusion. We don’t want an aristocracy where only certain people get to vote and everyone else isn’t considered. Your voting rights aren’t something that have to be earned; they’re a RIGHT. You can lose that by committing felonies. Other than that, everyone from Elon Musk down to some guy dumpster diving and living under a bridge are supposed to be able to vote, just by way of citizenship. And we have no standing problem with non-citizens voting, despite some false narratives to the contrary. So I feel like we’d just be fucking with the Constitution at that point.
You are completely wrong. I’m in California and i was GIVEN voter registration upon applying for a driver’s license. I did NOT have to present any kind of identification for either the driver’s license or the voter registration. Furthermore, i have never been asked to show identification to vote, or even been asked my name. I can vote in as many districts as i want in the same election. I’m from Michigan and there too i was simply issued a voter registration upon renewing my license on my eighteenth birthday. I don’t remember the process for initially receiving my driver’s license, but i’m quite certain that i didn’t have to present a birth certificate because i never received an official copy of my birth certificate until i was in my twenties and there was some sort of mixup between my father’s credit report and mine.
Also, the journalists who exposed vulnerabilities in Minnesota’s elections did NOT vote. Those charges amount to political persecution because they literally NEVER touched a ballot. What they did was expose a flaw that allows ne’er do wells to “vouch” for up to EIGHT non-citizens in every district. With NO voter registration and no identification requirements, not only can ONE “legal” voter help EIGHT illegals vote, but they could do the same thing in multiple districts during the same election.
Lastly, just because YOU don’t care about election fraud that doesn’t mean it’s not an issue. Something tells me that if you found out millions of people were illegally voting republican, then your position would change.
The fact is that voter identification and election integrity are 80/20 issues across the board. For literally EVERY party and every demographic, the vast majority of US citizens are in favor of voter ID and election integrity. The ONLY reason to fight the issue is because people want to keep open the options to cheat.
@Chazmatazz269 I’m in Mass and it’s the same deal. Voter registration is automatic with driver’s licensing…and said driver’s license IS the ID. The process of getting your identity verified works for both. It would be redundant to make someone go home, wait 10 days for the license to show up in the mail, then go back to the DMV or to their town hall or wherever for a second transaction. Voting should be max easy and max accessible, and we simply don’t have the problem of frequent fraud that would necessitate rethinking that. Voting is a good thing. If we had smarter citizens, I’d want more people doing it; I just think our average person isn’t doing the necessary homework, which makes a potentially good thing like democracy dangerous.
But the bottom line is that just because you get a voting application with the license form doesn’t mean you’ll be registered to vote if you shouldn’t be. It’s not 1980, man, lmfao; we’re not relying on Carol in the back office to not make a mistake on the paperwork and accidentally register a non-citizen😂 They have computer programs all over that shit, especially now with AI. Sanjay from Mumbai who’s in San Jose on an H-1 work visa, or Jean-Michel in Boston who’s here on TPS from Haiti will get a license, but there’s not a snowball’s chance in hell that they’re getting registered to vote, even if they fill out the form. It’s going to be in their info that they’re a non-citizen, and I can’t imagine any government computer database program in 2026 isn’t going to have a very simple function that would automatically disallow eligible drivers but INeligible voters from being registered.
@Chazmatazz269 I just can’t stress enough that we have no election integrity issues to speak of; that’s a completely manufactured narrative by Trump to explain away and self-soothe the embarrassment of losing as an incumbent to a guy he relentlessly mocked as feeble. There’s no validity to 2020 election fraud claims. We had no problems before, and we’ve had none since. It’s right wing noise, not a reality, I’m sorry.
@Chazmatazz269 Oh, and I can’t speak on your licensing process at 18, but I can’t believe you’d be given a license with nothing more than your name and info. By now, you’d have to have a “Real ID”, so whether they’ve matched you up through taxes or social security, I don’t know, but in 2026, there’s just zero shot Michigan or Cali or anywhere is just going to shrug and be like “he’s been driving for 35 years and we know absolutely nothing about this Chazmatazz269, IF that even IS his REAL name….” I promise you’re not just a ghost in the system, lmao.
Also, every polling center in America is going to ask you your name and address. That’s literally how they track and dispense the ballots. Only possible exception is getting a provisional ballot if you can’t provide your info or went to the wrong polling location, etc, some kind of problem, and then they take your ballot and it undergoes a more thorough review to make sure it’s legit. It may not be counted if you turned it in but can’t get it verified.
But you’re not just going to walk in and be handed a generic ballot to be submitted without a name or anything. That’s just not how voting works. They give me a sealable envelope that already has a sticker printed out at the reception desk and gets stuck on there by the poll worker. The only possible interference would be if some nefarious actor who planned to vote differently from me knew my name and address, showed up and said they were me, and then you’re banking on me not coming after you and discovering what’s happened, or worse, you came AFTER me, and they’ll know you’re up to something and you’ll be arrested and charged. And if you’re not a legal citizen, you’ll also be deported. So the juice isn’t even worth the squeeze? Why would anyone even attempt that? None of it makes sense
No, absolutely not! Either you’re dumb or you haven’t followed your own suggestion to it’s ultimate conclusion.
So, you don’t get to vote anymore just because your company shut down or your job was outsourced?
You don’t think people who have been unfairly displaced should have a say in what makes a stable economy? Really?
Say you work for me and i don’t like your political views. I can fire you and completely take your voice away? You know that political affiliation isn’t a protected class in the US, right? So according to you, everyone who disagrees with their boss on political issues can be summarily denied their voting privileges when their boss fires them right before an election?
Absolutely insane, man.
No. I believe that all citizens have a right to vote.
The U. S. unemployment rate peaked at 24.9% to 25% in 1933 during the height of the Great Depression. Many of those people had been hard working professionals before the depression. They certainly deserved a vote.
Citizens who fall on hard times have every right to participate in our elections and to determine the direction of this country.
American citizens only should be allowed to vote.
That as well
That's a great idea, I don't know why I haven't thought of that sooner
How 'bout denying N******* the vote? (Wait, the South did it from the end of Reconstruction until President Lyndon B. Johnson signed The Voting Rights Act in 1965 !!!)
@832loverboy73
Cool. No one really wants Canadians voting in our elections much anyway.
Define employed. You could be an independent contractor. You could be not employed at that moment but still making good money.
Well net positive taxes. A welfare queen pays sales tax.
@Danny_dan92 No
@Danny_dan92
You are removing
Seniors
College students
College students do not have income tax… unless they have part time jobs then that’s different.
Seniors is 50/50 because if you ask me I don’t think it makes logical sense to allow a senior with dementia to vote.
What do you think about that?
@Danny_dan92
I understand your point, to give power to the owners of the tax funds.
But it's hard/impossible to do.
Nothing is impossible, at the end of the day the real owners/bosses of any nation should never be the government. It’s the people that fund the government. The government just governs and enforces laws to keep society safe and sane
@Danny_dan92
But technically US government is managed by people who fund the campaigns
Billionaires or foreign country
Dude, your entire premise makes bosses and their kiss-asses the only people who can vote! The idea that only working people can vote makes a government that exclusively serves the “bosses/business owners”. Worse! According to you, it should be based on TAXES? So someone who inherits generational wealth, but has never worked a day in their life gets a voice, but someone who worked fifty years, but their plant closed right before the election doesn’t?
You didn’t think this through at all.
@Chazmatazz269 You speak of generational wealth… is that why baby boomers are overwhelmingly the most wealthy generation currently? While millennials and Gen Z are struggling just to be able to get by?
Which by the way is all thanks to the policies that were implemented by Reagan. A republican. I digress, both sides of our government have gone on record implementing absolutely horrible policy that only do harm rather than good.
Boomers were able to easily buy a home that cost significantly less back then than what they do today even when adjusting the value of the dollar for the respective time periods. This is why boomers have so much equity. This is also why a crap load of the population agrees that the economy sucks ass right now. Because only a small percentage of the population is sitting on all the money while everyone else is struggling even when they have jobs that should technically have them in a good financial position. Jobs that were once considered high paying jobs when boomers worked them to be able to buy their homes are borderline the same as minimum wage jobs
Sure.