It’s obvious with gas prices soaring that electricity is not the future. It’s currently the best time to have electric car and it’s already been proven that electric cars are just an expensive alternative to gas. You need a complete infrastructure rehaul to make electric comparable to gas. The charge stations would need to be everywhere, and you have to wait very long to charge. Long distance cross country is not anywhere near viable for electric. Semi and diesel trucks will never be electric, as it doesn’t have comparable power to pull heavy loads. The sweet spot for electric cars are inner city work cars to and from work. At least until a major breakthrough in technology comes along in another 10-20 years.
I think it will be a mix. Hopefully in the future we will see more hydrogen powered transportation like fuel cell vehicles because it’s better for the environment than electric and hydrogen is pretty cheap. I do think it depends on location, resources etc. so electric will work for some people/in some places, fuel for others, hydrogen for some and so on.
I think for some but not all and for a period of time. I don't see that working for everyone, I don't see it being better environmentally, economically. We're going to have power grid problems... build more nuclear plants.
but were going to find out as it is pushed into the market.
I think if they can build a better battery, then maybe, and if houses become more of the power source vs centralized generation. Hydrogen seems better choice eventually.
Nope. It makes more sense to liquefy coal into a fuel for combustion engines than to burn coal in coal fired power plants, deliver electricity over long distances by power lines, and have consumers wait for long charge times to drive a car that stores that energy in a battery that die at 80% efficiency. Electric cars are just part of the market to slightly reduce total demand for liquid fuels so that peak oil approaches more slowly.
Realistically we will use every drop of oil, natural gas, and coal before we make any serious change. At that point we will likely use farmed micro organisms like cyanobacteria or algae to make bio diesel.
Not exclusively. EV technology has a way to go. So does power generation. Most EV are powered by Coal burning power plants. We walked away from nuclear fission power plants decades ago and should be more aggressive at Fusion. Maybe this is a job for Elon Musk.
considering that the majority of electric power still comes from coal, oil and gas. because many places haven't invested the resources in renewable energy types. it's unlikely that electric transportations is going to over take traditional fuel anytime soon. also most of the batteries and computer parts to build them come from rare earth metals mined in third world countries or plastic.
I suspect the market for electric vehicles will continue to grow, but the limiting factor will be regional infrastructure. Major cities like London, L. A., Paris etc will likely be well served. But in rural Europe, Middle America, and large swaths of the developing world, access to charge points and whatnot could remain limited, if not entirely absent.
Nope. You have to charge all of those from the grid. The grid is still powered by coal, oil, and gas. Electric cars and scooters are still internal combustion but with extra steps.
Not to mention that the chemicals in those batteries are toxic beyond belief and absolutely horrendous for the environment.
I always thought they should use hydrogen. Its plentiful, cheap (ish) and its only byproduct is H2O. Water.
Yes. Most of time we don't need a car that drives 1000 miles in a day. This is different for buses and trucks. I think electricity and batteries are the base of post-oil transportation but I think hydrogen technologies are important for vehicles which need more energy daily than a personal car.
Nope. Hydrogen powered vehicles are viable but electric vehicles depend on far to many rare earth materials to make the batteries. Also electric motors lack the power ratio to move large shipments around so shipping will be fossils fuel driven for a long time to come.
1. The electric charging grid and storage sites don't support it yet 2. No ready source of power other than fossil fuels/nuclear is ready to add the extra power to the power grid 3. The EV batteries aren't ready to be recycled properly yet 4. People won't want to wait 30-45 minutes at a charging stand to repower their EV car
Electric vehicles, yes. Lithium batteries, no. The lack of any decent battery technology has always been the only thing holding electric vehicles back, and it still is. That's why we've had electric trains for so long - no batteries.
Lithium mining and nicad battery stuff is all nightmarish levels of environmentally destructive. It just makes people feel better. It will not replace fuel burners. The fuel will probably change though. I'm in the process of converting to e85 in one vehicle. Not for environmental reasons or the lower emissions but the anti knock index. It's pump race gas. Sadly have to do lots more maintenance. But blown smallblock on e will be fun.
I think it will be a big part of the future, but I also think there will be other forms of energy vehicles. The more efficient renewables become, the more we can phase out fossil fuels. It should be a gradual shift, not sudden change.
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Nah, Hydrogen has more practical prospects, they can transport it as ammonia if I recall correctly now
Electric grids can't handle it once you put 4-5 billion vehicles on top of the redevelopment for overpopulation issues
Maybe if you half the population, keep it regulated and reduce the volume of vehicles and you might and only might have a hope of doing it
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Electric transportation is here now, and it will be with us in the future. It will take a while, though, to replace all gasoline/diesel powered vehicles, including the oil companies and their intrastructure.
When we begin space mining, we're going to discover new ways to fuel our machines. I predict that nuclear energy will make a comeback once we figure out how to use and dispose of materials more safely.
Well it has to be, doesn't it? Fossil fuels aren't gonna last forever. They aren't good for the planet, or us for that matter, and electric transportation seems to work just fine.
Is there some other alternative that I don't know about?
@Kiran_Yagami At the moment sure, probably. I wasn't arguing that electric transportation is necessarily already a good replacement. We're talking about the future where fossil fuels won't be available.
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It’s obvious with gas prices soaring that electricity is not the future. It’s currently the best time to have electric car and it’s already been proven that electric cars are just an expensive alternative to gas. You need a complete infrastructure rehaul to make electric comparable to gas. The charge stations would need to be everywhere, and you have to wait very long to charge. Long distance cross country is not anywhere near viable for electric. Semi and diesel trucks will never be electric, as it doesn’t have comparable power to pull heavy loads. The sweet spot for electric cars are inner city work cars to and from work. At least until a major breakthrough in technology comes along in another 10-20 years.
I think it will be a mix. Hopefully in the future we will see more hydrogen powered transportation like fuel cell vehicles because it’s better for the environment than electric and hydrogen is pretty cheap. I do think it depends on location, resources etc. so electric will work for some people/in some places, fuel for others, hydrogen for some and so on.
I think for some but not all and for a period of time. I don't see that working for everyone, I don't see it being better environmentally, economically. We're going to have power grid problems... build more nuclear plants.
but were going to find out as it is pushed into the market.
I think if they can build a better battery, then maybe, and if houses become more of the power source vs centralized generation.
Hydrogen seems better choice eventually.
Nope. It makes more sense to liquefy coal into a fuel for combustion engines than to burn coal in coal fired power plants, deliver electricity over long distances by power lines, and have consumers wait for long charge times to drive a car that stores that energy in a battery that die at 80% efficiency. Electric cars are just part of the market to slightly reduce total demand for liquid fuels so that peak oil approaches more slowly.
Realistically we will use every drop of oil, natural gas, and coal before we make any serious change. At that point we will likely use farmed micro organisms like cyanobacteria or algae to make bio diesel.
Not exclusively. EV technology has a way to go. So does power generation. Most EV are powered by Coal burning power plants. We walked away from nuclear fission power plants decades ago and should be more aggressive at Fusion. Maybe this is a job for Elon Musk.
considering that the majority of electric power still comes from coal, oil and gas. because many places haven't invested the resources in renewable energy types. it's unlikely that electric transportations is going to over take traditional fuel anytime soon. also most of the batteries and computer parts to build them come from rare earth metals mined in third world countries or plastic.
I suspect the market for electric vehicles will continue to grow, but the limiting factor will be regional infrastructure. Major cities like London, L. A., Paris etc will likely be well served. But in rural Europe, Middle America, and large swaths of the developing world, access to charge points and whatnot could remain limited, if not entirely absent.
Nope. You have to charge all of those from the grid. The grid is still powered by coal, oil, and gas. Electric cars and scooters are still internal combustion but with extra steps.
Not to mention that the chemicals in those batteries are toxic beyond belief and absolutely horrendous for the environment.
I always thought they should use hydrogen. Its plentiful, cheap (ish) and its only byproduct is H2O. Water.
Yes. Most of time we don't need a car that drives 1000 miles in a day. This is different for buses and trucks. I think electricity and batteries are the base of post-oil transportation but I think hydrogen technologies are important for vehicles which need more energy daily than a personal car.
Nope. Hydrogen powered vehicles are viable but electric vehicles depend on far to many rare earth materials to make the batteries. Also electric motors lack the power ratio to move large shipments around so shipping will be fossils fuel driven for a long time to come.
No, not in the near term future
1. The electric charging grid and storage sites don't support it yet
2. No ready source of power other than fossil fuels/nuclear is ready to add the extra power to the power grid
3. The EV batteries aren't ready to be recycled properly yet
4. People won't want to wait 30-45 minutes at a charging stand to repower their EV car
Electric vehicles, yes.
Lithium batteries, no. The lack of any decent battery technology has always been the only thing holding electric vehicles back, and it still is. That's why we've had electric trains for so long - no batteries.
Lithium mining and nicad battery stuff is all nightmarish levels of environmentally destructive. It just makes people feel better. It will not replace fuel burners. The fuel will probably change though. I'm in the process of converting to e85 in one vehicle. Not for environmental reasons or the lower emissions but the anti knock index. It's pump race gas. Sadly have to do lots more maintenance. But blown smallblock on e will be fun.
I think it will be a big part of the future, but I also think there will be other forms of energy vehicles. The more efficient renewables become, the more we can phase out fossil fuels. It should be a gradual shift, not sudden change.
Nah, Hydrogen has more practical prospects, they can transport it as ammonia if I recall correctly now
Electric grids can't handle it once you put 4-5 billion vehicles on top of the redevelopment for overpopulation issues
Maybe if you half the population, keep it regulated and reduce the volume of vehicles and you might and only might have a hope of doing it
Electric transportation is here now, and it will be with us in the future. It will take a while, though, to replace all gasoline/diesel powered vehicles, including the oil companies and their intrastructure.
When we begin space mining, we're going to discover new ways to fuel our machines. I predict that nuclear energy will make a comeback once we figure out how to use and dispose of materials more safely.
It's the present, rather.
Only: private vehicle owners are ''slow learners''.
Well it has to be, doesn't it? Fossil fuels aren't gonna last forever. They aren't good for the planet, or us for that matter, and electric transportation seems to work just fine.
Is there some other alternative that I don't know about?
Electric cars are all charged by coal plants burning, *drum roll*, fossil fuels. You're just replacing one fossil fuel with another.
@Kiran_Yagami At the moment sure, probably. I wasn't arguing that electric transportation is necessarily already a good replacement. We're talking about the future where fossil fuels won't be available.
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