A electric car? sure. for certain needs / drivers.
All electric cars:
Eventually, yes, but the support tech isn't quite there yet. Need fast charging or battery swap to quickly continue your travel like a gas station provides. We may be close to city / commuter adoption, but gas will still be needed for driving long distance for some time.
Plus we need better electric grids and production before anyone starts thinking about banning gas / diesel cars.
The carbon footprint with production right through to disposal is currently worse than a motorized vehicle. They have a long way to go just yet.
On the other hand gas in my area $5.10. Pick your poison.
@exitseven whoops I didn’t get notification you replied. Yes, I do agree with you it will get there eventually.
Thanks for the mhg. ⚡️
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Yes, because now that the auto industry is focused on developing electric cars they're making huge strides. Battery tech has already advanced to where they can get 300 mile range out of a battery pack. There was also some company maybe 1-2 years back that figured out how to make safe nuclear batteries that last thousands of years... that tech isn't in cars yet but if they went that route.. hmm. I guess you would never need to re-charge but the batteries would be expensive.
Plus the governments are actively working to make oil/gas cost more. Whenever gas prices go up it motivates people to seek alternatives. I'm not saying I agree with the government actions there, just saying.
It's like if we lived back when the car was first invented and you're asking if cars will be feasible compared to horses. Due to government mandates AND industry actions right now, gas cars will be obsolete by the early 2030s. Regardless of what anyone thinks. It won't be a choice because before the 2030s:
*Number of gas stations will drop towards zero maybe 3-5 years before the last gas car is sold. Imagine having to wait in line for 8 hours to get gas and the gas stations are 150 miles apart.
*Value of used gas cars will drop to zero unless they're collectibles.
*I guess cost of the last new gas cars will go insanely high since the car makers know they WILL be collectibles. Average Joe probably won't even be able to afford a $150k+ car that would've only been worth $12-$20k a few years earlier.
On top of that as self-driving technology is refined and put into those EVs, the insurance companies will give lower rates for that vs. gas cars I'd say.
Nope. If you have a very limited amount of electric cars on the road, it just prolongs peak oil by several years by taking a small percentage of gasoline cars off the road. The same is true for high efficiency mileage and hybrids. That’s all it does, slow the race to collapse... In the event of a switch on a massive scale, there would be a massive increase of demand for grid electricity, which would tax the current electrical infrastructure. Centralized power plants don’t go up over night. They generally take more than a decade to get construction and zoning approval and then another decade to construct. Everyone is generally of the opinion of not in my backyard so there are constant legal hurtles... Large shifts in energy demand for natural gas and coal would just drive those prices higher and as a result and put all your energy eggs in one basket with everyone competing for the same resources. Too much demand with limited supply spurs price hikes. It also leads to rolling blackouts. We have a lot of liquid fuel infrastructure already in place. The easiest solution is to grow something like algae or cyanobacteria on non arable land for fatty acids and then use a portion of our natural gas production for methanol and then combine the two and synthesize biodiesel. That way you can utilize current automotive technology and fuel distribution infrastructure with very limited retrofitting. You just gradually faze out gas vehicles in the market to match biodiesel production. If microorganisms are used for the production on non arable land it doesn’t impact food prices. Being that only 10% of biodiesel is methanol it doesn’t stress natural gas markets too rapidly.
Now, no. Like any new technology, it's always the early adopters that essentially subsidize the R&D so that the price can be brought down to where it's affordable for most of the population. Eventually, yes. And they're not perfect, the mining for the battery components can be filthy, there is a lack of charging infrastructure so far, etc. But that will change with time. It has to. And if you don't think the oil companies don't already have plans for this, think again. They're not just going to quietly go away. I remember, maybe 20 years ago, when the first oil companies started referring to themselves as "energy" companies. The writing is on the wall. But, as with most anything throughout history, it'll change because it has to. Even without subsidies, if the cost remains high, someone with a bright idea will come along to drive the cost so far down that they will become more affordable. No company that ever succeeded said "Well, we just won't even attempt to sell to a huge segment of consumers because it's really really hard." It's only a matter of time. Tesla is already offering parts of their technology free of charge to potential competitors. When the last time that happened in a capitalist economy?
It'll happen gradually. The more that come out the more that will go on the second hand market making it possible for people who can't afford to buy brand new to get their hands on one. Eventually it will be the new norm. Their battery life will improve.
Currently it costs about $21 a month to charge an electric vehicle if you're driving an average of 540 miles a month.
Just googled it lol there's an article that compares the price to gas
Just like anything when it first comes out their sky high-priced your computers are sky-high when he first came out anything new that is an unknown is a high price I do believe that they will all go down at least I hope you do because we're probably getting close to being out of fuel and every other thing that we abused on this planet
That is a very possible thing that can happen, competition and as the new electric cars become older, their prices will come down. You already mentioned that the other things will be solved just through time.
At the Ford Dealership closest to my house, they currently have a 2020 Mach E Mustang for sale at $20K. That's cheaper than my Current Eco Boost Mustang which my year and model and is for sale at 29K. Both cars being used. So it is already happening now and will continue to happen and become cheaper
Wow!! I had no idea they were that cheap!
@Jamie05rhs It is very crazy to think about, also check out some older versions of Tesla's I am sure there is some cheaper used ones you may be able to get
That is crazy, I didn't look up the price for new ones as they can be very expensive like you mentioned, hopefully soon us average joe's may be able to afford to buy a brand new one, one day.
@CharlesScene I considered buying a Prius 4 years ago but I just couldn't justify paying that much money.
@Jamie05rhs oooohhh, those are extremely nice. I had a chance to get one as a hammy down from my aunt as my first car in high school, but wimped out because it was pink, my young dumb self let my ego decide that one, as I also was not thinking about the environment and how much gas cost.
What car did you land on?
@CharlesScene Dang, dude. You could have just painted it. Lol
I ended up going the opposite direction. I got an SUV. 🤷
@Jamie05rhs No worries, me too, I ended up with a Mustang.
Nice
Environmentally a disaster.
Lithium mines and battery disposal will be a bigger issue than the challenges that oil bring. Plus you need coal to charge the batteries.
Short sighted ignorant fools.
We're all going to pay for this shortsighted feel-good checking the block.
Short answer: yes.
longer answer, yes... maybe...
The individual car would cost about the same in production, as the models are about 90%~95% identical, only difference is the engine and fuel "tank".
But i would guess the difference in manufacturing costs is minimal, mostly because the higher demand in Lithium will increase the pricing.
Maintenance will be less pricey for the electric car, as less moving parts mean, less wear. But the electric car would need replacement of batteries every now and than, as the Li-ion batteries do loose capacity over time.
So in that regard its also pretty close.
Costs for fuel is the most difficult part, as gasoline prices will go up more and more, and electricity will depend on demand and how its generated.
The car would be feasible, but the long cord to supply the electricity would be expensive as hell and be messy in traffic.
Just kidding. There are already many models of electric cars that work fine. We even have at least one bus in our city that is electric and it is recharged from a wind turbine. Extremely versatile, plenty of power for using as a bus, cheap to recharge.
There are many malls and major stores that have recharging stations in their parking lots that are free to use. I believe they are improving solutions about the used batteries, which is the main important comsideration.
To be economically feasible for the long term, either the lithium ion batteries need to be capable of being recycled relatively cheaply or a cheaper power storage technology needs to be developed. Lithium ore is not in abundance. Eventually its price will be even higher than it is currently.
Also, rapid charge technology development is a must. When traveling, I typically drive 600 miles a day with one fuel stop. There is no electric vehicle with that range and current recharge technology requires several hours. About 300 miles on a charge is max, so my trip will take twice as long.
It is and always has been. You also actually CAN build your own electric car from any old car, and there are more electric sockets in a street than petrol stations in most cities. The cost per mile of electric is lower than any fuel.
What you're deluded about is the trickle down economics. You want profit making fuel car companies to make loss making electric cars. It is never going to happen on the sort of scale Western governments are blabing about. Mainly as it's just never going to be profitable on a large scale to go full electric.
Eventually, years in the future, the electric vehicle will become economically feasible. Before that happens, though, there is a huge infrastructure that has to be created... charging stations, more electric power production, more electric power transmission and distribution. And a massive change of technology and jobs from the oil industry (refineries, gas stations).
And battery technology still needs a quantum leap in efficiency and energy storage.
Interestingly, the first "automobiles" invented were electric. It was only when gasoline was found to be a useful fuel (previously, it was discarded because petroleum was mostly refined for kerosene lamps and heaters) that gas-power vehicles became more common.
Not when ALL of the "collateral damage" is added in, no.
Solar farms may provide (almost) "free" electricity, but it has to be stored for gloomy days. Also cost in materials and alleged pollution to build the photovoltaics in the first place, install them, dispose of them after use, cost of bringing ALL of these farms "on grid", not to mention thousands of charging stations, the (not so) incidental loss of time when people just stand around watching their car recharge while at a rest stop on a trip, etc. You would STILL have to have gas boilers and atomic piles to generate juice for those peak days. As for wind power, the same costs apply. And every time we drive past a certain windfarm, at LEAST 10% of the windmills are sitting there, lifeless, generating zero, zilch, nada, zip, null set, etc of electron flow.
I don't think so because you still have to burn fossil fuels to MAKE electricity!
We have the tech to make cars that run on water! Why not do that? The run-off is steam which you can capture and, once it turns back into water, pour it back into the tank and use it again! But, too many people and economies rely on oil! So, we're not allowed to have this!
I doubt very many of those issues will ever be intentionally solved! Maybe diminished, a bit but, we've had the tech for a few decades now to build computers that will NEVER break or stop working!! But, they don't want us to have this because that means, we won't be buying a new one every few years!! It's like that with everything!
And, the reason gas is so expensive is because Biden fucked up the things Trump set in motion which gave us cheaper gas!!
Depends on your cost of energy and the cost of gas. They could be cheaper. If you own a home and get solar It is cheaper. That's a huge upfront investment and having to need a home.
The major downside we're electric cars is still if you're going on a road trip you have to basically plan every 300 miles to stop for like an hour to charge. It's on the high end as well if you buy extra mileage and batteries for your car. And basically if you don't own a home with solar either it will cost more electricity or be very inconvenient to charge.
I'm digging my feet in on this one with or without reason. I just don't want an electric car.
Ok.. I have heard the price is pretty good on those.
Oh. Nevermind! lol
Have you looked at your electric bill lately. To fully charge a car overnight it needs a 50 amp, 240 volt circuit. You won't be buying gas but you'll be seeing your electric bill go up considerably.
However, though clean, electric cars will stress the power grid. Hundreds of millions of drivers in the US alone. Just think if we ALL plugged in our cars tomorrow. We'd brown out the nation.
So a new infrastructure in power plants has to be created too. Unless we are all on solar home power and this offsets car usage. It's a challenge.
Nope. they cost more to produce and to buy. They will put owners in the top tier of their electricity bill KWH and cost people more for that too. They also pollute more because in reality they are powered by coal.
The majority of the country can't be supported by solar or wind power. Even California has brownouts now because the power grid can't handle current demands. There is no way it could handle millions of electric vehicles. Plus the majority of people can't afford them.
It's not going to happen. The push for EVs is being pushed by the same people who have in plain English proclaimed that they want personally owned vehicles to be a luxury reserved for the wealthy and elite.
It would be far more economically feasible to get behind a net-zero carbon emitting fuel alternative for combustion engines, such as what Siemens and Porsche are collaborating on.
Sure- the only real question is when. Get one that's battery-powered, instead of requiring constant stopping to charge, and you'll pretty much be set. The oil companies and car manufacturers will NOT be happy, however, and will employ means fair and foul to slow you down.
Yes. I think they will eventually be the only kind of vehicle on the market. They are going to have to fix the fact that charging takes so long. Maybe 2 batteries, one that charges while the other is in use or something.
Old car batteries? Just like recycling other electronics.
@loves2learn From what I heard, they are difficult to recycle. The batteries may cost as much as a thousand dollars to dispose of properly. This means that people will be dumping them all over the place. The materials that these batteries are made of are much more toxic than lead.
Well that definitely will need to get sorted out. We have free electronics recycling drives around here sometimes.
Yes but electronics have components that contain gold and other precious metals. I think modern batteries are made from lithium and it may be more difficult to extract and recycle it. I just can imagine people burying the old batteries in their backyard and as the rainwater leeches it intoi the drinking water there will be all kinds of badness.,
That is a problem that needs solving for sure.
There should bring back steam power cars, if they brought back crappy electronic cars with them nasty ass computers.
Steam cars could run on anything, even garbage, but you won't see that. Because someone won't be making money off your ass.
That's a reason we don't have cars that run on water. Water powered cars have been around since the 1970s
Sure.
Cheapest car in america: chevy spark - about $12,000
Cheapest electric car in america: chevy bolt, or nissan leaf - about $30,000
Which do you really think people can afford?
Oh, and a Tesla? You can't even lease those cars - you have to buy them. And they're a LOT of money.
They were already solved, it's just oil and gas companies buy the patents and bury the cars. The EV-1 was pretty good and actually made it to market for a short time.
Also it's moot, fossil fuels will run out, ethonol takes too much space to make, and air quality will force electric cars onto people.
There is no free lunch.
What many people don't realize is that no matter what we do we as a species will always have an impact on the surrounding environment. So tomorrow we all switch to electric cars and everything will be hooky dory , right?
Wrong.
People have not the slightest idea how much environmental contamination comes out of battery production not to mention the disposal of batteries. Imagine this but with several hundred million vehicles on the planet.
Unfortunately battery energy density and power availability is still light years behind the venerable internal combustion engine. There are ways to make ICE engines carbon neutral by using electrolysis of water into hydrogen with renewable energy but the infrastructure is not there to meet energy demand yet. Battery tech has a long way to go but electric motors are superior to ICE motors if there was only a good battery.
The silence of it is great. The heating inside concerns me.
Where that electricity will come from - wind and waves, possibly, but plutonium is more likely, and for plutonian energy very very stable peace and calm need to be everywhere, else - Chernobyl/Fukoshima
I think it's the future of most countries. It will be difficult though.
Side note- if we learned how to contain the energy created by the large hadron collider. It generates enough energy to power a massive City for over a decade. Imagine that. It could cut back on pollution by an insane amount. (It costs an insane amount of money to run through, it's in the millions per hour. They also require a lot of upkeep, and can be very dangerous.)
that remains to be seen. Battery tech is on the upswing now, but lithium is a far more finite resource than fuel. I think we are going to see big issues down the road... I wish they would stick with fuel for anything larger than a bike so batteries can be saved for things that truly need them. I don’t want a gas powered laptop when all the lithium is mined
yes... there are still many questions about its true enviromental credentials but like all tech it will get cheaper... think of it like this, a modern tv is the same price a tv was in the early 1980s but we all earn ten times more money in wages etc
the govt will force it to be so. I'm against zero emissions... should be low emissions. this move to e cars just push lots of $ and power to china as the usa dies.
They will ban the alternatives but by then, yes, it's likely with the new technologies, electric cars will likely have achieved parity with combustion cars. If not capital cost, then lifetime costs.
No, not without government intervention. The fact is that electric cars are more complex and the inputs more expensive than gasoline-fueled cars. But, you might not be given a choice.
I expect they will be -- the major expense is the battery, and I expect that technology will improve (get cheaper). Many people I know here in Seattle drive a Tesla and love it.
Yes. Especially if workplaces install solar panels and charging points for when you're at work. Ensuring the people mining the raw materials aren't being exploited should be high priority, though.
It will be when they have a handle on the lithium for the batteries. Remember though, every time you plug in any appliance you are putting a strain on the electric grid.
m from a practical point of view yes, it will be
from a marketing point of view, not yet... the industry is still... for profit
Not really I mean going from from north Jersey to South Jersey half way through break down. Where would you even charge it? Or ask random home owner may I barrow electricity?
Of course. We’ll likely run out (or start to feel it) of oil within the next 50-70 years. Most major cities are replete with car charging ports. Same for apartments as a renters perk. Batteries will only get easier to recharge.
It’s only feasible if all the electric produced is from windmills and solar panels or dams since power plants still burn fossil fuels to charge the vehicles
Doesn't matter because you can't drive a car if the planet is dead. Gasoline cars kill the planet and electric cars don't.
well, the Biden plan to make them "economically feasible", is to drive up the cost of gas, so it's very possible with Biden getting a hardon for shutting down pipelines and reversing the direction of a once energy independent nation.
With nuclear power generating electricity? Yes. It would be far cheaper and much more fuel efficient.
Lithium mining is pretty bad though… really bad for locals and extremely bad for the environment.
Yeah but it would take a while for that to happen since electric cars are pricey
They will be $100,000 when we are forced to drive them and repairs will be higher, and parts will be higher. It is a scam.
It me they will always be glorified golf carts. Gasoline is a very efficient store of power compared to batteries for now.
I think their is a lot of work to do before that will be a reality. Not only concerning the cars but the electric grid itself.
It already is, in countries that haven't tried to kill it.
How do they power the electrical stations? Not all of them are renewable energy.
Sure i think it will get there. But who cares unless it’s more CO2 efficient? That’s the main point.
Yes. They had electric cars in the 1910s.
I think the battery in itself is quite expensive?
Sure looks childish 🤷
What if we stopped making cars that run on gas?
Will it ever be environmentally feasible?
Electricity also has to be cheaper than gas.
Sure, in 10n years.
Yeah
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