Are you favor of electric cars replacing gasoline cars in the future?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I hate electric cars. 🙄 https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/25/us/california-ban-new-gas-cars-vote/index.html

I'm in favor of electric cars.

I'm in favor of gasoline cars.

Other.

[DCooper]

I'm in favor of a mix of the two, driven exclusively by individual buyers choosing what they personally prefer, sans subsidies of any kind.

That position doesn't require any presupposition about which is best, or anyone to have any power over the choices of others. That is how literally every product and service had improved over time; by people freely choosing for themselves.

My personal take on the current state of electric cars is that the technology has promise, but there are a few major screwups in how it's being done. Chief among those is the fact that nobody currently designing electric cars is making any attempt to protect the long term value of the product by making the battery pack simple to swap out. Second is the fact that there is no attempt to work toward standardizing battery packs.

People are purchasing new cars these days on long payment terms, like 7 years. A well built battery pack is good for maybe 8 years. Large batteries like that aren't cheap. That may improve over time, but the amount of labor to tear the car apart to the point of removing the battery and putting it all back together around a new one, is a big chunk of the cost of replacement. Currently the cost of a battery replacement on an 8 year old EV usually exceeds the value of the car.

So pretty quickly after making the last payment, the value of the new car you just paid off becomes essentially zero. How many $50k capital expenditures like that would you consider good decisions if the value of the asset becomes nothing as soon as it's paid off?

Personally, I daily drive a 53 year old IC car. It's not the most cost effective thing in the world, but if the 53 year old V8 throws a rod through the block, the cost of dropping a new engine in it sure as hell isn't going to exceed the value of the car.

I do, however, think that the range issue is only an issue for people who need the ability to refuel more than once a day, and that honestly is not a lot of people. If industry agreed on a standard format battery and built vehicles with serviceability in mind, there's no reason to think that $25k battery pack replacement 8 years down the line couldn't be reduced to maybe $8k or less. That would change the math a lot.

[God_of_Thunder]

I dislike them currently, but if/when the technology advances to the point where they have the same, or better, capabilities to gasoline-powered vehicles, then I won't mind.

My major concern with them is the limited range, and the lack of a quick recharge. I know their one-charge range is comparable to a gasoline engine, but my concern is the time it takes to recharge them. If you're on a road trip, for example, or you have a ton of back and forth driving to do, that charge will be expended, and you have no way to quickly refuel your vehicle.

At least with a gasoline engine, you can pull into a station, fill up, and extend your range in a matter of minutes. With an electric vehicle, you simply can't do that, currently. You have to wait, sometimes hours, to recharge your battery, and during that time, you're basically stranded.

I do not like the fact that, in your day to day life, or especially in an emergency, just not having the capability to quickly fill up my tank, and get where I need to go. Not to mention that I, unfortunately, live in a state where I have yet to see a single recharging station anywhere. The infrastructure simply doesn't exist everywhere, at this time.

[Screenwriter]

If it helps clean up the planet, which, of course it will, cause we won't be burning fossil fuels, let's do it.

Of course, the technology for fast, sporty electrics is still developing, and they cost more because of that. The way to go, if you can afford it, is to get a hybrid. And there aren't enough charging stations, yet.

But let's turn the clock back to 1908. There weren't enough gas stations then EITHER because gas automobiles were a new technology. You had to drive around with extra gas on your car, probably. Not the safest thing. But the more cars sold, the more the infrastructure expanded.

You're limited to a certain distance right now, also because of few recharge stations and limited battery storage capacity. In five years, they'll probably be equivalent to gas vehicles in get up and go and recharge range.

The next big hurdle will be pricepoint. When that comes down, and when production spirals UP, gas cars will begin to leave the planet, air will be cleaner and most importantly, DEVELOPING nations will be choosing electric vehicles to safeguard THEIR environments, which of course will improve the planet! IT's ALL good.

[Fromdusktilldawn]

Not really. Since e-cars dont produce energy like fossile furl cars, they get it from a secondary source. From where does that electricity come from? Yea, from coal burning power plants, russian gas (here in Europe), nuclears power plants etc. Its just putting the greenhouse gas emission away from the car to the power plant creating the cars electricity. Also google once how the e-car batteries are made, not very eco friendly... and they do not last long

[Screenwriter]

@Fromdusktilldawn I didn't say this process was perfect. It looks like to cut back on greenhouse we'll have to head to nuclear and that waste that lasts forever buried in the ground. Coal fired plants are few in U. S. AND there are scrubbers that will clean up coal GREATLY. They just aren't being used and the gov't hasn't initiated limits on greenhouse gas production and OTHER waste production from battery and plant processes.

All these ducks are NOT in a row YET. And look, there are people who STILL think global warming doesn't exist, it's a conspiracy theory or some other bunk. This has to be done in stages. Pieces of the puzzle aren't set. Technology and trial and error will alter the equation. AND everyone has to agree that this is an issue and we need to move away from gasoline to renewables such as wind and hydro.

The combination of all factors will make the future cleaner for our children and future generations.

[Fromdusktilldawn]

With countries like china or russia not caring at all and continuing like usual we eont achieve anything.

[MAC1983]

If we kept waiting for all countries to join something before making a leap we'd never get anywhere. There will always be early adopters and the more we move forward on this the better. As we need to act fast.

Dictatorships never cared about the environment. That's just a fact.

As for producing the energy there are some countries that have a high percentage of clean, renewable energy, like hydric, solar, wave power and there's even algae producing power now.

Nuclear energy evolved a lot. The ones who invested more in it have little to do with what you saw say, in the 50s...

Coal is terrible in many ways, but what you point out about scrubbers is important. Still, something we should phase out as soon as possible.

[Fromdusktilldawn]

@MAC1983 still the IPCC said the point of no return (melting of all polar ice, rise of at least 3m sea level etc) was reached in 2019 and is now inevitable, even if humans would just cease to exist

[Screenwriter]

@Fromdusktilldawn There are still many resources to ameliorate these issues being worked on every single day. We don't know what is inevitable with technology and knowledge and work. True, there are those who are doing nothing, but getting 2nd world nations on board, especially those with giant coastlines that are low to the shore such as India, and island nations that could simply disappear, is where the meat of this matter is. Also, improving life for everyone worldwide through renewables, proper water cleanliness and access, and electric access is how to get. folks on board.

[Fromdusktilldawn]

That all sounds nice on paper but reality isn't so great. No one wants to give up their good life, all those greedy companies, politicians and lobbiests won't dver want to sacrifice their profit.
Most politicians who actually do something for the environment do it only for their image, to stand as "samaritan" saving the world and tobbe elected again

[Screenwriter]

@Fromdusktilldawn I can't be so cynical Mr. Vampire. (just saw that movie the other day on TV... hilariously scary) If ANY of those people have children and grandchildren or hearts, they have to know that money can't insulate them from climate change and all the fallout from that.

Gosh, how can they NOT know that it's NOT all about gathering up every dollar to live on at the high mountain? If you've GOT all that money, you need to make it work for the betterment of the world. This isn't polyanna talk. It's rational If everyone isn't living well, they'll EAT THE RICH. And I mean this literally AND figuratively.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Yeah, definitely in favour of electric cars.

They're quieter, faster, and less smelly.

Although, I'm much more in favour of well-designed electric public transportation like trains and busses, and better pedestrian-focused infrastructure.

EVs are great but we still need to remove the car focus of modern society. Car focused infrastructure makes cities unlivable, not whether or not they're fossil fuel based.

Though, again, fossil fuel cars are louder, slower, and smelly as fuck.

[Pudsmucker]

I have found when California goes into something rest of the nation follows thereafter soon. I know what their concerns are about smoke control. How's electricity going to be created? To power these EVS vehicles? From Coal fire plants? The solar and windmills are not producing enough power to create the energy to power all these electric vehicles.

The minerals that are used to create these supercell batteries being pulled from south Western Idaho, at Northwest Nevada and Afghanistan. These mines are tearing up our beautiful countryside. His strip mining. And a lot of these minds in Idaho and Nevada are on negative American reservations. These batteries are more toxic than the coal fire energy produced. What are we going to do when these batteries completely die and cannot be recharged?

Have we looked closer to hydrogen powered vehicles? It is more economical and cheaper to produce than coal fire energy and tearing up our beautiful countryside for this precious metal. I've read recently that Germany has several locomotives that is powered buy hydrogen. Also no that the byproduct of burnt hydrogen is water. There are many cities in the United States that have public transportation that has ran off of hydrogen cell motors. Hydrogen is inexpensive to produce. Let us think about the stupidity that work about to create a bigger danger to our environment and to our lives.

[Anonymous]

I'd be more inclined to accept electric cars if 1. They were able to travel longer distances on a single charge (tremendous strides have been made in this area over the last decade so I think this is only a matter of time before this comes to fruition). And, 2. I don't know why electric cars need to be re-charged. I'm no electricity expert so forgive me if I'm speaking out of my a** here. But in gasoline engines the alternator recharges the battery. Why can't electric cars use the motion of the vehicle to recharge itself the same way? I mean, I get that there'd be some fall off as in you maybe you can't generate a fully self sustaining car. And if electric cars already do this to an extent and I just don't know it. But we're just limited by our technology then I withdraw point number 2.

I've actually got a a new business in the works right now. That requires short distance delivery. And I've actually been looking into the viability of of electric vehicles. Because it would cut fuel costs by over 60%

[CaptainSmartass]

Nope. I prefer hydrogen powered vehicles. There are several companies advocating this. There are multiple options, fuel cell and hydrogen combustion engines. This would be more convenient, cheaper and better 'for the planet' than electric cars.

As for public buses, high speed rail and increased walking routes - this wouldn't be sustainable. Too many people on the buses would mean that fleets would be overwhelmed with demand. They can only realistically operate so many buses without it being too expensive. Buses would have to run 24/7 to cope with demand, when no-one will want to work nights.

The trains can only be so long, as they have to fit restricted platforms, and they can't put more trains on the route, as the lines will become congested.

Increased walkways will just become magnets for crime, and will be littered and full of dog (and human) shit, and drug paraphernalia. No-one will want to walk there, thus creating an epic waste of money.

Simples...

[ShadezMcgee]

While I believe alternative energy means of travel should be explored, I don't believe it is a feasible plan or realistic one to implement within a time span of 10-15 years, especially with how inflation is going raising prices of vehicles to go along with parts for them as well.

Electric vehicles would need a consistent and reliable source as opposed to a battery that would have to be charged for hours to get the life required. How would that affect overall infrastructure requirements and electricity demands for vehicles? How would that affect the grid? What will we use to generate the electricity required for that sustainment to work fluidly and reasonably?

Average Americans can't cough up the money for a new vehicle these days, much less a battery that ranges to a max of 20k for certain vehicles. What about the cost of other parts that fail?

[Lliam]

Going all electric is one of the biggest scams in history. It has nothing to do with environmentalism. Producing the batteries causes more environmental harm than does CO2 from private vehicle exhaust.

Who is pushing for electric cars? The UN? The WHO? Politicians? Unelected global elites who think they can dictate the way others live? Elites who ride in limos; use energy lavishly in their homes and lifestyles; own yachts: and fly in private jets. I guess only commoners are responsible for CO2 production.

There is so much wrong with mandating electric cars. I won't even go into it.

I'm not opposed to electric vehicles. They are a good choice for some people or for certain uses. But it should be voluntary. No coercion. No government pressure to not produce or sell gasoline or diesel-powered vehicles.

[Aerissa_Jade]

I'd go electric once they actually have realistic electric cars that are comparable to gas/diesel vehicles.

Towing power and range, you know like 500 to 600 miles between charges and a full charge only takes as long as it would to fill up a tank of fuel. Electric has tons of power, but not the range.

Of course maintenance and life of vehicle need to match too. The stores about people having to get new batteries at like 14k sounds pretty bad.

Once they figure all that out, sure.

I have jokingly suggested, ditch the batteries and just build tesla towers along all the roads.

Or maybe build a backup generator into certain models so when you leave the grid, you can start the generator to charge the battery while you are driving... say into national forests or national parks where your off road.

[DCooper]

On your last point there, GM actually dived into that before anything else fully EV with the Volt. I think Toyota did a couple short range plug hybrids as well. Since that's a smaller battery pack that gives nominally 40 miles of range, you could recharge it at home on a 110 cord overnight. But if you needed more than 40 miles of range on a given day, the little 4 banger would fire up and run a generator that powered the vehicle until the battery was again charged. The downside is that you had not only the full EV system (albeit with a smaller, cheaper battery), but also everything associated with the IC engine (except a much simpler transmission), so it was pretty complex.

[Aerissa_Jade]

@DCooper I have a uncle who built a hybrid back the 80's, kind of funny cause he took a electric motor off a piece of farm equipment, and ripped out a bunch of stuff on a car. This was all before way before my time, but he wanted the car light weight and then he had a huge battery and a gas powered generator.

He had challenges like power steering being electrical back then, was unheard of for the most part... but he used to drive cross country while running a generator in his trunk that he had literally plugged the electric motor into... and when he parked to eat or sleep, could run it to recharge the battery as charging stations didn't exist.

The car is sitting in a field on his farm to this day, rusting away.

For us rural people, its 45 miles just into town from home... one way, if I go into the mountains I'm looking at a 100 miles one way, at which point I'd need a charge or a way to get back.

Electric seems great for commuters who don't want to use mass transit, but terrible for rural people... or driving non stop for 8 to 12 hours a day. Like I have a extra 100 gallon diesel tank in the back of my truck so I can buy diesel where it is cheaper and drive for 1500 miles or so between fill ups, if I wanted to.

I wonder if electric cars will have extra 'tanks' they can take a long to get that kind of range for the $500 dollars I paid to have my extra tank installed.

[MysticDevice]

Electric cars are a joke. They take 2 hours to charge, or all night if you do it at home, and you charge them by plugging them into the grid. The grid is powered by coal, oil, and, gas. An EV is still an internal combustion engine but with extra steps.

Then there's the lithium batteries which you have to rape the planet in order to produce. Battery acids are horrendous for the environment. Then there's the factories that build both the car and the batteries which are powered by, wait for it, coal oil and gas.

EVs don't solve any of the problems. Its the automotive equivalent of sweeping it under the rug.

[Kabluie]

Tesla Gigafactory is net zero, nice try though.

[2Wheels]

Exactly.💯 People will deny this though because it's easier to believe Elon saying, "Tesla is clean". 😄

[MysticDevice]

Even if the giga factory is net-zero the raw materials are not gathered by net-zero means. Lithium mining is not a clean process.

And again, charging the car uses a coal oil and gas powered grid.

[Jay3344]

Power plants are vastly more efficient on creating power than a cars combustion engine. The heat produced in a car is lost for the most part whereas a power plant will use that to make power. Look it up, combustion engine vs power plant on efficiency. So yes the plant still uses fossil fuels but drastically less.

[MysticDevice]

The fact remains: electric cars still require power plants that use fossil fuel to run. Their raw materials are still dug up and gathered by machines that run on fossil fuels. The power lines that bring electricity to the charger are put up by machines that run on fuel. EVs simply do not solve the issue. They are not green and they are not clean.

I am all for clean, renewable energy and preserving the environment. But the alternatives have to work and be viable. Unfortunately EVs are just a fantasy. As cool as they might be, they're simply not a solution.

I'd much rather the big companies work on hydrogen fuel cells. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the known universe and its a clean fuel source.

[Oigit]

People joke about people in big trucks and car with sound systems, but to me you can throw electric cars in the exact same group. Because it's people trying their best to make up for what they lack in terms of who they are as a person and their shit personality.

Also they are over hyped to all hell. Given that the majority of the worlds power grid is still very dependent on fossil fuels having a electric car isn't having as much of a impact as the person trying to sell you one wants you to think.

[Middleman]

I used to own both petrol and hybrid cars including a Toyota Prius 2nd gen. Moving forward I think electric cars are great, but we don't know what the total lifetime carbon footprint of an electric vehicle is (since the output is from power stations including those still running on coal).

However if you're interested you should check out the Sono Sion. This is an affordable solar electric vehicle (SEV) coming out next year. It not only works fully under sunlight and partial sunlight, but its internal battery can also be used to power homes or charge other cars. It can even be set up as a shared car pool via an app used by the owner.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/HjoHimaqqfY

[DJB72]

The big problem with electric cars is the charging time. The way around it is to make all cars hybrid systems using diesel and electric systems. Diesel can be produced from plant oils instead of fossil fuels and the engines can charge themselves.

If I'm on a road trip it's usually not convenient for me to have to wait three hours to recharge a battery when five minutes can refuel the gas tank.

The technology has been around for years. Manufacturers just don't use it because it makes the vehicle a bit more expensive to build so their profits are reduced.

[AviatorTom]

We need a mix of gasoline, electric and hybrid vehicles. Until and unless battery technology greatly improves, electric vehicles don't have the range for inter-city and-state driving. They're fine for intra-city driving, like commuting to work, and offering incentives for that is good. But an outright ban will, in the end run, be counter-productive. Maybe we should also be spending more on developing better mass transit options like high-speed rail to reduce the dependency on gas vehicles for longer trips.

[RiseofArtemis]

Sure and each winter your electric grid flies off with the current power grid mass electric cars are a no.

[TotallyAlmost]

This is unwarranted and impossible. Firstly, there is no climate crisis. It's made-up horse shit. Putting that aside, the world has no way to power the electric cars without fossil feul anyway. In the U. S., the climate religionists are ignorant that their fantasy will require us to rape the Congo for raw materials and turn it entire energy supply chain over to China. If we survive that stupidity, our electrical grid will implode faster than you can say California. It would take us 50 years to mine enough copper to ready the grid. The whole thing is an exercise in virtue signaling stupidity.

[dustybiker]

Not at the moment. Electric vehicles have a long way to go before their true footprint (including that which delivers all the parts to the makers, all them little details) not to mention battery disposal is literally less than that of fuel engines.

[Anonymous]

Yes, I wouldn't mind the change.

But we shouldn't have to be "pushed" into that direction without a reasonable amount of time. I'm not sure we're ready for EVs to be mainstream just yet.

One thing that bothers me (and still learning about) is the amount of power required to charge these vehicles, which is MASSIVE for one EV alone... We're talking about HUGE lithium batteries that will take way too long to charge at home, even with a Level 2 charger.

So a lot of people are going to want to use the "DC fast charging" stations. Which I think is tens of thousands of watts every day, every hour, every minute... just for cars! To put this into perspective, it would be like one person at the laundromat using 10-12 clothes dryers at once. That's a lot of power... and dirty clothes.

[Snsl153]

LOL, no. We all know that nothing will ever replace fossil fuels. How will these "environmentally-friendly" cars be powered, if not recharging stations that are powered via coal, hydro or nuclear power plants? Electric cars are just expensive gimmicks for virtue-signalling, rich twats who've convinced themselves that they're contributing in some way towards "saving the planet".

[HippieVeganJewslim]

I’m against driving. However, electric cars are a bit more efficient and cleaner.

[Snsl153]

@HippieVeganJewslim You're "against driving" because you can afford to be, you have the luxury of easy access to public transport if you live in any big city, but what about those of us (like me) who live in the country, and for which a private vehicle is an absolute necessity? Electric cars are not efficient, and they're not clean.

[Jay3344]

I see this argument a lot…”how will the charging stations be powered?” To be honest if you just dive in a little bit into the topic you will find that a power plants efficiency using either coal or natural gas is exponentially greater than a single combustion engine in a car. So when you burn a gallon of gas in a car you might get x as heat and y as actual force for movement. In a power plant they can use both of these forms of energy and indeed most of the time require heat. So instead of 30% efficiency a power plant is more like 60%. It’s a big difference! So electric cars would be charged with fossil fuels but the entire system would need much less fossil fuel.

[Moose304]

@Jay3344 Bullshit! I have spent my entire life working in the power industry. The current US power grid is not even close to being able to handle much more. EVEN if all the generating facilities were operating 24/7 at 100% efficiency! As it is the US national grid has around 10% extra capacity. Understand this is NOT about pollution. It is about the lack of infrastructure to handle the loads. Most people like myself know that changing over just 50% from the internal combustion engine to electric will take a little bit more than doubling the current amount of generating facilities as well as adding more large KV power lines. Oh, one more thing. This will cost TRILLIONS of dollars that the customers will pay over years. You can expect the average power bill to jump $250 a month. It will take about 30 years to finish. That's if the local governments will allow the construction. Good luck with making that efficiency argument work in 20 years!

[Jay3344]

@Moose304 I don’t think my comment mentioned any of that, I was stating that power plants are way more efficient when talking about fuel consumption. So a gallon of gas in a car vs a gallon in a power plant. It’s not bullshit. Your point however are valid, I just see you are extremely emotional about the issue.

[Snsl153]

@Jay3344 I already know how they'll be powered - by stations running on fossil fuels. My point was that too many apparently believe the adoption of electric cars will go a long way towards "saving the planet", but those who believe this don't take into consideration other factors, like the manner in which the cars themselves are manufactured, the materials that go into them, and their power-source.

[exitseven]

f they could make an electric car that had a 300-400 mile range and could recharge in less than an hour and would not burst into flames in my garage and not have to replace the battery every other year I would go for it. Until then. just leave me and my 8 cylinder pickup truck in peace.

[Levin]

I read something today that that the cost to charge an electric vehicle in the UK is going from 16£ last year to around double that.

I find that hilarious.

@Snsl153 is spot on.

By all means make things sustainable, but with technologies and solutions that actually work and aren't part of some agenda.

Shame the water vehicle guy got assassinated.

[DannyUk2017]

An electric car Battery runs out, forget a dipped light on, by in the morning u'll have no juice left, to get from point A-B (been there, done that).
In the winter u can't use it, as the Heating system again will Drain ur battery in matter of 2hours...
So i want a Reliable car to Start, Drive, And reach my destination... Not to be "forced" to stop cause the battery is low... so yeah... Gas for me, Thanks.

[Chazmatazz269]

I’m in favor of reducing our dependency on fossil fuels, especially those we don’t produce ourselves right here in the US. The US needs energy. That’s never going to change. We should NEVER have become dependent on foreign entities for anything, least of all energy sources.

[lightbulb27]

Sounds like another disaster in the making. Where going to manage the disposal of all those batteries. Where get all the power from to charge them?
Id favor plug in hybrids… hydrogen. Maybe new battery tech will solve problems but we aren’t there yet. Batteries aren’t even close to the kWh/g of oil. Both pollute in their own way. Want to save planet then drive less. That means make cars and fuel expensive.

[MarkRet]

Electric cars still aren't up to par with gasoline vehicles as far as power and milage range, but that may change in the future, so I'll go with electric cars. We're getting a hybrid now. Remember what phones and TV's were like in the 70s compared to now.

[burlen]

I am in favour of electric cars because it can contribute to lower gas emission to the atmosphere. However, the price of electric cars are still extremely high that exceeds the affordability of millions of car owners. Also, electric charging stations are still not widely available to encourage the adoption of electric cars.

[josephinelcajon]

Not yet. Batteries are still inefficient and require long expensive charging cycles short battery life and expensive replacement causing the entire car to be not worth replacing the battery! We burn more oil to produce the battery than a gas car in the same lifetime. Fix the battery issues first then yes maybe! We also have to consider if oil, natural gas is no longer used how do you control its danger of seeping to the surface causing fires and natural disaster!

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Electric cars are more efficient than petrol cars, which waste lots of the energy in the petrol, polluting my planet. I ain’t even for electric cars 100%, as their battery is quite filthy, also doing harm to my planet. It’s so much better to walk, hitchhike, take public transport, carpool, you name it.

[Meatunnel69]

Electric motors run circles around combustion engines in terms of efficiency, torque, speed, lack of necessary maintenance complexity etc the only bottleneck we have are shitty heavy low power density batteries that are slow to “refuel” one day that will hopefully change and is on par with combustion fuels then it’s e vehicles ftw…

[boobliker]

I love the idea but I do a round trip 3 days a week of 178 miles some times 3 days in a roe and no EV can do that yet or one i can afford two other days i drive a van about 250 miles and no van can do that yet plus no charging points on the way round on both of the trips i do. I have seen a EV van but it cost is 5 years what i would earn?

[xyzfdg]

Depends how the electricity powering them is produced - all these for-profit institutions praising electric vehicles don't seem to promote much in their marketing about costs of charging them... it seems to basically be the "dirty" energy is simply being sent from a house outlet, to a battery, instead of directly in a gas tank within the car itself - the idea it's "clean", at least at present, seems illogical.

[Likes2drive]

There is a lot of cons to electric cars, biggest problem is the battery, charging time and they need to be replaced after years, very expensive and they seem to catch fire more often than regular cars because of the battery. I think we are going to need a mix of both for some time until the grids catch up and technology gets better

[2Wheels]

People who think electric cars are "clean" have been sold a lie.
It's not their fault though as the media has done an amazing job brainwashing people, unfortunately. 😥

I'll take gasoline please.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

I’d like to buy the truth. I don’t watch the media.

[YHL6965]

I'm no in favor of any of them because I don't think this problem is handled correctly. Electric cars actually pollute a lot if you factor in production, and electricity production depending on the country. I think it's hypocritical or uninformed to pretend electric cars are much cleaner than gas cars.

[Snakeyes7]

As they are right now, hell no. Maybe if they become just as easy to "recharge" as gas cars, have more charging stations available and become become cheaper in the market, then I am fine with them. For now though, the infrastructure isn't there for them to flourish.

[littlepig2002]

I don’t know how electric vehicles would be able to withstand a positive lightning strike since electricity is one of the main conductors of lightning.


That said, I would support electric vehicles replacing gas vehicles in cities with a notorious smog and ozone problem, such as with New York City and Boston.

[RealMarek]

No. At this time internal combustion vehicles are way cheaper. It is cruel to all but the affluent to force people into much more expensive vehicles during a time of rampant inflation and declining real wages.

[Agent_Elflord]

Not until they can perform just as well as or even better than gas powered cars and are relatively affordable for the common person. I don’t think a tesla can haul a large flatbed full of alfalfa bales up a curvy mountain road just yet.

[Jltakk]

The real solution is to build more rail and ween ourselves from the failed post-WWII urban planning projects of scattered suburbs that ensure a car-centric structure. We have tons of abandoned railways just sitting there. Having more cross-city travel would be great and clears up highways. Electric and Hydrogen cars are gimmicks that don't fix shit.

[MrTaboo]

I'm all for electric cars. BUT, only in natural economic and technological evolution. This jumping all I. At on e will not work. It takes tears to mo e from one tech to a completly different tech.

It took several decades from horses to cars. Granted that was stating a whole new infrastructure. This is just Changing a structure slightly. Though it is still a big change.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Water cars, full stop! First, we have to be rid of all the unconstitutional agencies that keep assassinating water car inventors!

[Dazed0N0Confused]

Considering Gas is a fossil fuel it's not going to be around forever, so having reliable alternatives is the direction we should be going.

[RiseofArtemis]

E-fuel already exists and electric cars are not gonna be for everyone. I'm only going to say this. "You'll own nothing and be happy." The WEF are the ones who want to push electric cars and they are going to try everything. You will live in a totalitarian governnement soon.

[OldSchool_Metalhead]

Electric cars are like "poser" vehicles lol. Hybrids are interesting. But I love me a gas vehicle.

Fight me people. 😏

[Jessica405]

The nearest I would go is a hybrid. Probably a self charging hybrid. There is nowhere to plug in where I live now, or in my home town.

[Light909090]

Yeah makes a lot of sense
But a car that runs out of electricity ⚡️ and when there’s no Outlet Walk a few days to a week back home and hope that you don’t die from heat exhaustion.

[Moonshae]

If they lower the price cheaper than. Gas. How would they affect the yearly state inspection and emission?

[Aerissa_Jade]

The problem is they won't actually lower them to be cheaper than gas, they'll regulate gas to be more expensive, either with additional taxes or like Obama and Biden has done to trucks and SUV's. They mandate that car companies have to average 40 mph for new vehicles they sell each year (I don't know the exact number 30 or 40, etc...) that means car companies make less SUV's and Trucks so the free market makes them more expensive.

Rather than just letting them make what sells... so they will mandate that they need to sell like 30% electric cars each year, with it increasing so they'll switch and the gas powered ones get more expensive. The electric ones won't come down either, they might just a bit but not much.

[Massageman]

It can't happen, particularly in the timeframes- 2030, 2035- that we hear being bandied about these days. The math- and the infrastructure- is simply just not there.

[ArtemisSilver]

It's a matter of need at this point. I don't think most people are aware of the oil situation, we're at the end of cheap Petro energy regardless of what response we choose.

[Fromdusktilldawn]

I dont get why they call it electric cars. Normal diesel and gasoline cars create electricity through burnibg fossile fuels, "electric cars" only store and use electricity from a battery.

[888theGreat]

if they are big enough for more than one person , so I don't have to go to grocery 3 times a week, and cheaper than gas cars. If they lasted longer than gas cars. The ones I see are too little and ugly

[HippieVeganJewslim]

In Manhattan, we didn’t need to use the car for grocery shopping. Neither did we in a neighbouring town. Ain’t thrice a week a bit too often to go shopping?

[007kingifrit]

if they are cheap enough, last long enough, are actually good for the environment, and don't come with any inconvenience that we can't overcome then yes. it is bound to happen

we just aren't there yet

[LazerBean]

I'm in favor of everyone just buying whatever they want.

[lilyanony1]

I don't drive.
And all the electric cars I've been in do what they need to do.

[Kinkysportguy]

Electric cars would be good if the infrastructure is there but I would think that hydrogen fuel cars will be better.

[CloudMassacre]

I think public transportation and high speed rail should be the direction, I think individual cars isn’t sustainable

[RiseofArtemis]

So are you one of those people who are okay with the WEF you will own nothing and be happy? Go live in China if you think that's the way to go.

[CloudMassacre]

@RiseofArtemis I don’t know what WEF is, and I don’t want to live in China

[dudeinohio]

Technology isn't there yet. Need better battery technology that I'd lower cost and less environmentally damaging.

[SlightlyEccentric]

Liberals: I am proudly pro-choice

Also liberals: Bans the manufacturing for gas powered cars in California.

So much for being pro-choice

[maximumpower]

People need to look at the long-range ramifications of all-electric vehicles before spouting off about environmental concerns.
The impact is certainly more significant than many are led to believe.

[WeeeISee]

If electric cars were an affordable option then sure.

[douride2]

When the technology gets better I may think of getting one.

[rabbitzzz]

I want a physically switchable manual override though.

[Danny_dan92]

Honestly no. I don’t want to lose my gas powered cars

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Oil is non renewable while electricity is both non renewable and renewable. Sure i'd get those electric cars if they're cheap

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Gotta save the fuel to make flights cheaper.

[Twalli]

Electric cars are better for the environment, but I think they're still a lot more expensive to build and maintain than gasoline cars.