The #MeToo revolution has made life dangerous not just for bonafide predators like Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey but also for any male who makes an "unwanted" advance. Dating lower-ranking female co-workers is now seen as predatory. Women can revoke consent for an encounter even years after the fact, reframing it as rape. New laws which would criminalize whistling and catcalling are being seriously considered. Millennials already are having less sex than the two generations that preceded them. This makes me wonder if we're headed for a sexual Cold War like there is in Japan, where both genders have lost interest in each other and the birthrate is plummeting. Do you think the same will happen in Western society?
YES, the new Cold War is coming. Get your chocolate and blowup dolls ready!
NO, guys are guys, they will always flirt with (or harass) women no matter what
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After #MeToo, are we headed for a "sexual Cold War"?
Even good-looking, socially active guys are going mgtow, honestly. There are teen boys going "tgtow," swearing off women and relationships and with it, the wage slavery that used to drive our economy. All the "beta males" of society used to get educations and careers so they could compete in the sexual marketplace too. But now those men are all redpilled and radicalized and they instinctively distrust and disdain women. It's not conducive to a healthy, functioning society when 60% of all the males are deadbeats with no hope and no reason to live.
And it's easy for women to coldly and callously dismiss these men and their complaints, call them worthless losers, laugh at their pain, drink their tears, etc...
Women don't seem to realize that by rejecting 60% of all men as unworthy, it means 60% of their sons will be found unworthy also.
So think of that when you compare the male and female suicide rates, where both rates are steadily climbing, but men are still killing themselves five times more. Every single one of those men was some mother's happy, bouncing baby boy. And she loved him with all her heart and wanted nothing but the best and would have sacrificed anything for him to be happy and find love.
That has occurred to me too. There are soo many unkind behaviours besides harassment against women. Why is a wolf whistle -- which is a crude way of saying "I'm attracted to you" -- considered so much worse than giving someone the finger or telling them "Go to hell"?
If people would just waited for marriage to have sex and experience sexual acts we wouldn't even be in this mess. That includes the porn. Japan is heavily porn addicted. That's why many are afriad to get married, let alone have sex. It's not just about it being a country where it follows a lot of traditions that no longer fit the modern world. A lot of men don't want to wait for marriage anymore besides marry. What do they expect women to do? Continue to whore without speaking up about the pain and suffering that comes with it? I don't even agree with the whole thing knowing darn well they ALL sold their souls to the devil to get it. But we also cannot neglect the fact that a lot of abuse besides consent is being don't in those industries. Many did not ASK to be in those positions. But if you want it that badly or your parents forced you so young into those industries, that is what happens. It's part front, part santuary for these women and men. Because usually if they don't allow you to get away with telling the truth and exposing the industry, they'll kill you and make it look like an 'accident' or 'natural causes'.
I agree with some of that. Porn can destroy a man. I wish I had more warning than it can be an addiction. Supposedly it's linked with higher rates of depression. Japan's male youth is rejecting the long hour work days their fathers considered honorable after WW2. So a weird void was created and replaced with a culture of mainstreaming the prostitution/objectification of women. I don't think people want to believe sluts can unravel the fabric of a modern society.
@love_conquers_lust It's not just an addiction, it is abuse to your body and self. And in the end you pay for it. And hurt those you claim you love. I know this for a fact. I've lived through the hurt.
You got to stop looking at it as religion this is something that God had created for us to have in our life. Religion is man-made and religion doesn't care about God they care about themselves. This is why there's a lot of people who claiming themselves to be religious, or even Christians who are not virgins before they are married or they don't believe in Waiting either. Yes it is spiritual adultery but it is far more than that. You are bound illegally in a spiritual marriage with every sex partner you have with them and what they have with others. When you look at the STD exposure chart you can pretty much count all of that as your marital Partners in any legal matter both male and female through the sex act. And hence why is also scientifically proven why women will obtain the DNA of the men that she sleep with. It's not a joke but people still do it because they believe is all about religion.
"And hence why is also scientifically proven why women will obtain the DNA of the men that she sleep with." That's telegony, a form of microchimerism. It's been proven in fruit flies, not humans. Humans females will share DNA with their fetuses. Evidence now says it requires impregnation. There were some females who still had male DNA without recorded previous pregnancies but this wasn't confirmed to be specifically from previous partners semen. It could have been from abortions, miscarriages, or a twin sibling. It's still conjecture.
That's a very interesting way of looking at marriage. By spiritual adultery I meant in the metaphysical in matters of the soul, not like a spiritual marriage sanctioned by the church. But still, I had the same view in fornicating with the town whore was like sleeping with everybody in town.
My religion to me is people trying to articulate their own personal beliefs with a higher power. Some of them I agree with, some I don't, and some are irrelevant.
Spiritual marriage is both that that is done in the spirit as well as in the flesh. The problem is, you don't have to get pregnant ONLY because DNA is influenced by spiritual matters too. Anything can change and shift. I know because I have witnessed and felt spiritual change at some point in my life. So what I am talking about is very much real. Legally, we're supposed to be married before having sex. Those who don't and never waited, are now bound to those they slept with till death does them apart. And it will and is destroying their marriages and sex lives in the bedroom. Until people wake up, which plenty won't, this mess is going to get worse, continue to happen until they make it legal. We're not heading to a cold war exactly. We're heading into a world of darkness and any and all immoral and filthy thing imaginable will be law. No longer democracy.
"you don't have to get pregnant ONLY because DNA is influenced by spiritual matters too." I don't really agree with that. Are you attributing things like DNA mutations as acts of God? It's possible, but it doesn't excuse us from further investigation using all other tools at our disposal.
"We're heading into a world of darkness and any and all immoral and filthy thing imaginable will be law. No longer democracy." I suppose. While fornication is a sin in a number of textbooks, have you considered from a secular viewpoint that it's a natural progression of females simply because there is too much to consume? Sometimes I get the feeling this rise in sexual liberation is just a natural way of keeping societies in check.
God never called for us to do any of this. God is allowing this to happen because people don't want to change, to turn him and repent. He made the rules, he created us, and he set the standards for us to follow. We didn't want to do that, now we're reaping what we sowed. And now innocent people are caught in the middle of it.
"but it doesn't excuse us from further investigation using all other tools at our disposal." First of all, we're not supposed to be doing anything but either follow his rules or suffer. "have you considered from a secular viewpoint that it's a natural progression of females simply because there is too much to consume?" There is nothing to consider because God again made us. He knows how we operate, therefore no matter what man say, he is right. If everything was so right people wouldn't be hurt or dying. And my late mother is a testament to that after dying from cervical cancer. And I hope you know where cervical cancer comes from 90% of the time.
Humanitarism is not of God. He calls us to live in the spirit. Not the flesh for the flesh wrestles with the spirit. Sin nature entered in the moment we were conceived and born because of what our progenitors have done. Our bodies are cursed to die now. This life is temporary. Our body is just a shell and vessel, but we still have to take care of it.
If someone is going to drop out of the dating pool because of someone elses actions, then so be it. I can't force them to date or want to continue on with the opposite sex, or the same sex for that matter, for any reason if they don't want to... and so be it. People act like there is something that can be done to change this situation.
Is there an implication that we go back to a world where harassment is okay and ignored so the majority of men who weren't doing the harassing somehow feel freer to flirt? That's no better than the world in which some innocent men are caught up in situations where there are these crazy women who are out for revenge or whatever that are ruining it for women who really are seeking real help or a safe place to work or just live their lives without being harassed/raped/whatever without notice or care.
People want to have sex. They want relationships. They want to date. They want one night stands. They want to get married. I don't think the buck stops here.
@love_conquers_lust I said "they" as in people in general... some want marriage, some want one night stands, etc. The people who want those things will have them come hell or high water. Those that care not to participate in any type of relations, they won't by default.
Actually your second paragraph rings profoundly true. It's just as frustrating for traditional males as it is for new age females to somehow be gender blind at the workplace/in public and then take off your blinders in search of a partner. The no physical contact thing without consent is fine but if it's hard enough enforcing that kind of societal shift on locals, let alone integrating foreigners with antiquated values far behind those of developed nations. Then there's the obscene remark part of it which basically forces you to curb your language. In the workplace, that's legal. In public...
I pretty much agree with your take. Millennials are humping like rabbits. I'm a little confused by you saying they're having less sex. They're having tons of sex. Irresponsible sex as well. What is getting less is the marriage rate and relationships which I blame feminists. People are less likely to have babies when not married or in serious committed relationships. Also at least 125,000 abortions per day. Abortions are going up yearly. That is a cause for low birthrates as well.
Huh, thats interesting. It's a bit hard to believe going by what I see and hear from teens and early 20s. But I won't argue with a study I can't prove wrong. lol
Rape used to be simply defined. It needs to be simply defined. If you accuse someone of rape, you need to have evidence that back up your claims. Same goes with harassment and sexual assault. These crimes or even just the accusations can destroy a person's career whether they are true or not. And if they are false, the false accusor needs to be harshly punished to hopefully deter future individuals from false accusations. If they are true, prosecute the perpetrator according to the law.
Here is an excerpt from the Sexual Offenses Act of 1956 in the UK.
1) For the purposes of section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 1956 (which relates to rape) a man commits rape if—
(a) he has unlawful sexual intercourse with a woman who at the time of the intercourse does not consent to it; and (b) at that time he knows that she does not consent to the intercourse or he is reckless as to whether she consents to it;
See how clear and concise that was?
How about this? Before you engage in sexual conduct, you sign a contract on your phone's etc that is on an app or something that gets updated every hour with a ding notification reminder to check in. It creates a record for your protection. This should not be needed but with the way things are going... It seems to be that way. I'm leaning towards the arranged marriage side of things personally.
@CubsterShura There are cameras, DNA, witnesses, self defensive wounds, tests to see if the woman was drugged, etc. It is hard to prosecute, but if you want to avoid nonsense like the Salem witch trials, we need to follow the evidence, and not just take the accusers word.
Rape kits ARE available at every police station and medical clinic. If you enter a medical clinic or police station and state that you were raped (and you have not bathed yet) they can use a rape kit on you and will collect the evidence (DNA, semen samples etc) and use it to arrest and prosecute the rapist.
This is a mistake, true. But victims feel disgusted by the seven and try to get rid of all of it to remain pure. Heck, I myself feel like showering when I remember the time I faced child abused. Wasn't even raped.
It's already begun in Japan: The Japanese Herbivore Men.
In America it's called MGTOW.
In Britain they call them man deserts.
The sexual cold war is already here, #metoo is just the final nail in the entitled coffin. These women built their careers from backroom blowjobs, essentially sleeping their way into positions of power and now, years after the fact, once they already have their empires built, now they come out and say they didn't like it?
People knew about this and just watched it happen, worse were active participants.
If there is any lesson in #Metoo it's that justice and due cause doesn't matter if you were born with a penis, regardless if he's one of these sick fucks that use their position to manipulate new hires into sexual encounters or not. The assumption now is all men are rapists and there is no legal protection for men against a woman who at any point in time can change her mind if it's rape or not.
Women expect men to approach but with this kind of shit going on most men are going to think twice or worse... not even bother.
Women are getting more dangerous to be around, to the point men are avoiding them. Men that have something to lose, are even less likely to interact with women. Meanwhile sex dolls and VR porn are getting better. At this point women have very little to offer a man, and can destroy him so easily that I don't think the relationships between men and women can be saved. It would take generations to repair the damage, and with things like VR porn, men simply won't have a reason to take a risk on a female partner again.
We now have decades of feminism waging a war on men, and it is getting so dangerous even politicians refuse to interact with women now. Either people will have to stand up to these feminists and destroy their reputations and careers, or these politicians as well as successful men being targeted, are going to move to strip all women of their rights so these men can save themselves, and there will be nothing women can do about it.
Metoo is a massive over reach that will end up costing women dearly. It is like during the Salem witch trials, how they women got away with accusing innocent people of witchcraft, until they started accusing the people in charge. Then suddenly they stopped listening to anything the women had to say.
As it stands, the best women can hope for, is that men and women self segregate. At worst men take women's rights away. We can see examples of both happening in history. Self segregation generally comes before the collapse of that society. The only way I see for things to get better between the sexes, is for feminism to completely collapse, which seems unlikely.
@heavensgift2girls the rate of false accusations is less than 3% as documented by the justice department. NIH did a ten year study and found that in ten years the rate of false accusations was 5.9% so they grant that the rate of false accusations is between 2-10%. so this indicates that the rate of false accusations is FAR smaller than the rate of true accusations
did you see what i said in my first line? "no. guys do the right thing. girls don't make false claims"
There are all sorts of ways to twist statistics. If you are talking about the women that make it all the way to court, those do not represent the full number of women lying about being raped. Before that number is created, they first have to sift through a lot of lying women, before prosecution can even begin.
Some studies have shown upwards to 40% of women claiming to be raped that never make it to trial because they discover the women are lying. There are plenty more women that accuse men of rape that are lying that never even file a police report. Instead they simply destroy his reputation with her lies, for the purpose of destroying the mans reputation. The justice department does not report on those numbers.
Metoo, is about ruining a man through what is basically mob rule, without evidence. This means it is designed to cater to lying women that know that their claims would crumble under a police investigation. This allows women to destroy the careers, and personal life of innocent men, without having to risk raising the stats on the numbers of false rape accusations that the justice department would end up reporting on. Metoo is all about avoiding the justice system, and creating a modern day witch hunt.
@heavensgift2girls if it's about ruining men how come more than 80% of the Metoo people don't even specifically mention an attacker? please explain that? how do you ruin a man by saying "i was a victim of sexual abuse"?
The definition of "sexual abuse" keeps getting broader. Before, it meant rape. Now it can mean someone tried to steal a kiss or brushed up against you on the subway. This has the effect of inflating rape statistics, until we get the wild claim that 1 in 4 girls are raped on campus. Which would make American college campuses more dangerous than the Congo. You don't think lies like this are damaging to men?
this is such an absurd comment. more dangerous than the congo? convicted for sexual abuse for brushing up against someone in a subway? i'm sorry this is alarmist speak not rooted in rational thought or even reality. as such it makes it hard to even respond to addressing it on a point by point level
men get married every day. men meet and get into relationships every day. in fact the rate of happy relationships has been on a steady rise for several years. so you can play the victim and assume a victims role but the simple fact is people behaving appropriately are not usually under fire. people who behave appropriately and end up being falsely convicted is about 5in100 (that's being rather generous). those are the facts. so you can opt for facts of the victim mentality. your choice
so there are fewer instances of rapes occurring than we were previously informed of on college campuses. that's good. i don't see how that makes america more dangerous than the congo. or that the world is full of false accusers. it isn't and there aren't. simple as that
Maybe slow down when you read stuff. I didn't say America was more dangerous than the Congo. I said people are over-inflating the statistics by broadening the definition of sexual assault, making it SEEM more dangerous than the Congo (a comparison I borrowed from Christina Hoff Sommers). And who's the accused perpetrator of this mostly imagined rape epidemic? Men.
If male sex crimes are being exaggerated tenfold, of course that will create tension and ill will between the genders. Plus, society believes as you do, that "girls don't make false claims," period. That puts a presumption of guilt on any man accused by a woman. If you think only the guilty get accused and convicted, you haven't read enough history.
"if it's about ruining men how come more than 80% of the Metoo people don't even specifically mention an attacker?" That is just typical feminist propaganda, to make women see men as the enemy. Feminists get caught making up false statistics all the time to make the problems of sexual assault seem worse than they are, to justify their war on men. In some cases feminists in power, have even had the police withhold evidence to get innocent men put in jail, for the sole purpose of getting the number of rapes to look higher than it is to further their own anti-male agenda.
There is an entire industry based around the courts destroying men on the behalf of women now. Women are not pure angels that do no wrong. They have been being taught to hate and mistrust men since childhood, to the point that feminism echos Nazi beliefs, only against men instead of Jews. Many feminists have talked about limiting the number of men allowed to be born if not outright killed.
Thinking women can't be as evil as any men, shows just how much of their feminist propaganda has already effected you. Any group can be taught to hate as much as any other group. Women are no exception to that rule.
where did i say women can't be as evil as men? please show me where i said that
the court system is designed by men in a male dominated government. if you have a problem with the court system you have a problem with the patriarchal society that says women are weaker and better caretakers of children and thus divorce goes the way it does
"if it's about ruining men how come more than 80% of the Metoo people don't even specifically mention an attacker?" That is just typical feminist propaganda, to make women see men as the enemy. - how is it propaganda that most #metoo complaints don't mention the name of a predator? how is that propaganda?
"Many feminists have talked about limiting the number of men allowed to be born if not outright killed." - what is your point exactly? and the male government in china did effectively the same? again what is your point?
i'm sorry but your arguments are scattered, irrelevant to points i've made, and just show a general lack of understanding
Are you kidding? 3% isn't enough to freak you out? That's a pretty high number when you really think about it. Unbelievable how women can't just tell the god damn truth. Just because they think you're unattractive they think it means they should just go ahead and ruin your life just for fun. No fricken shit the rate of true accusations is way higher!!! Jesus man. Think for a second will ya? No wonder there's a fairly significant movement of guys that are going monk
@NewEnglandDude "3% isn't enough to freak you out?" seriously. i can give you far greater odds of worse things happening to you that you do every day
"Unbelievable how women can't just tell the god damn truth." seems like a statement that applies to all people not just women.
if guys want to go monk that's on them. more women for less cowardly guys who know the difference between flirtations and sexual advances. i'm sorry but the irrational fear some people have is just a little said, laughable, and pathetic in my opinion. i don't see too many guys losing their livihood because they approached a woman and asked if she wanted to go on a date. i've talked to girls now for 20+ years and never approached any situation that was close to an issue of sexual harassment, abuse, etc.
use proper judgment and if you are a victim of the 3% then sorry the odds got you... especially keeping in mind 3% includes the entire population. half of hte population is under 18. so reduce the rate to 1.5%. about 1/3 is over 65. so you can reduce it to about.5%. half the population is male so now you're at.25%.
Yes and no. A lot of guys are legitimately dropping out of dating because of all this stuff (my brother for example, who is successful in all other areas of life) but then that leaves narcissists and other guys that don't care about being accused of being perverted and stuff. And they are getting more sex than ever. But they aren't ever committing.
So not so much a cold war but more so a man drought - because there is a legit shortage of men that are marriageable.
Flirting is not harassment. The #MeToo movement is more harmful than it is good. We should be focusing on the individual circumstances and not accusing men for bullshit things. It de-legitimizes the movement. Like the boy cried wolf.
This isn't good for women or men. Either every woman is lying or they are all true. These are the only sides we see nowadays. Neither is true.
@CubsterShura It doesn't mean anything without proof. You have to look at each one, and examine the evidence. It doesn't matter how many are telling the truth or not. We need evidence for each individual case.
Some of these women have waited over a decade in some cases, and provide no evidence, nor even want a police investigation in many places. It is little more than a witch hunt to destroy careers with no evidence at this point. Even if most of these women were telling the truth, the way they are handling it is sickening, and needs to stop. The police need to do a real investigation and handle things based on evidence and proof, instead of turning it into a witch hunt.
@heavensgift2girls the problem is, there is hardly any evidence. Most women after such incidents shower for a long time, it washes off any remaining evidence. A footage would be great but isn't available everywhere.
@CubsterShura What you are saying is nothing more than a plea to emotion, and is not a good reason to believe someone accusing another person of a crime. The burden of proof must on the accuser in all cases. The alternative is to let any woman destroy any guy she wants. If men were destroying women, with no evidence you wouldn't stand for it, and you know it. You know what else? I wouldn't stand for letting men destroy women with no evidence either. In order for anyone accusing another to be believed, proof needs to be offered. Sexual assault cases are no different in that regard.
But if you didn't understand what I mean by that question it automatically confirms you know nothing and are talking trash. One more possibility is that you live under layers of rock sediments.
@CubsterShura if some woman kills her baby, is it right to call all women killers? Then its not right to subject all men to #metoo for what Winstien or similar people did. Each case is separate and individual. If they are found guilty, I would say torture and kill them but leave innocent men out of it.
Nope. Japan's history goes back to the 60s I think where there were arranged marriages. There may be more laws and some women may unjustly accuse men of rape but there will also be women who are caught out for lying and many/most women not accusing men. I don't think women will unjustly accuse men decades ahead unless there is a good reason like their own mental illness or that they were genuinely molested.
Nobody hardly talks face to face as it is anyway. Everyone just texts anyway. That face to face conversation skill is quickly dying. Now you add in that men are demonized for being men and simply talking to women to the point men aren't sure anymore what is acceptable. I think you are right.
Problem is what you define as "sexual assault". I've heard women saying that holding door is a micro-agression. Others saying that looking at them is harassement. This is the issue I have with the metoo movement, it seems that, alongside with real assault, there are quite a good number of women throwing nonsense there and calling assault almost anything coming from a man.
That's a weird question. Some women are some women. Are you expecting me to remember the names, if I ever knew it, of ever hysterical misandrist I've heard? And how about the rest of my comment? What do you define as "sexual assault"?
You can look it up, but that's no use, since the legal definition of sexual assault doesn't matter for those who used that movement to spread hate toward men. When someone explain you that talking to her is considered harassement, you can definitly consider that she doesn't give a damn about the definition. And won't care if law says you did nothing wrong. Social medias are a powerful weapon, enough to destroy someone's life with nothing more than a few lines on twitter.
Well they would probably have more arguments than you in that whole conversation. Because you didn't even try to answer my first question. And since then, you've evading, calling names... That's the level 0 of argumentation.
James Franco didn't assault women either but is now being called out just for general creepiness. I think if you're going to publicly shame someone and destroy their career, the bar needs to be a lot higher than that. Everyone is guilty of something. Rose McGowan, the face of #MeToo, is herself a homewrecker who broke up her director's marriage. Luckily for her and others like her, the mob is focused solely on sexual harassment/assault right now, leaving her free to throw stones from her glass house.
This is what the sicko Marxists want to achieve, to stop any interaction between men and women. That won't happen. There always will be a place for flirting, dating and such. At least where I live. If other culture want to screw themselves, feel free to do so, but flirting isn't sexual harassment as some sicko feminist claims.
current social politics is certainly hostile to any kind of interaction with the opposite sex. and while i continue the same as i always have, i am seeing more and more kneejerk reactions from people about shit that honestly isn't as big a problem as it is made out to be.
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Yes it is. Just work from home and have all your food delivered to your door so you don't have to go outside. See what women think when there are no men anywhere in sight. Sex robots are becoming a hit. Significantly better investment than a woman. And 100% safe too. Every man go MGTOW! Keep growing the manosphere. Women ain't worth a penny these days. Just a group of misandrists. No need to waste your time and money on them. MGTOW!
With the rate the West is going you'll have to have recorded evidence of consent happening or going to a solicitor to have it signed in writing that you consented to sex on the 11th January 2017 2:45am
But that can also be construed as proof of rape if the woman claims that she was forced to sign "under duress". In other words, if she was offered any incentives or perceived any threat whatsoever. Which she can claim that she did solely on the grounds of you being male, and therefore inherently threatening.
Yes, this is happening in the U. S. If women think that shaming tactics and random hate mongering is going to make any difference they're out of their minds. As the courts and law becomes more and more hateful to men it's only a matter of time before the only ones left are the rapists and molesters. I guess that's what western women want.
The world is heading in the way where feelings are more important than the truth and besides many of those "raped"(those who yell raappee even if a guy looked her in the eyes or touched her or anything else but didn't do anything wrong) female are misusing the words Rape Harrasment just to gain something even if it would destroy the other person life
Regardless, I'm not going to be a victim of this. I've already experienced the worst feminism has to offer personally, and I'm still alive and free. I'm still going to go out of my way to meet and flirt with women I find attractive. Even if I feel awkward, even if she's a raging cunt. I'm not going to let it stop me any more.
Fuck feminism, and fuck this #metoo campaign. I'm not going to feel disempowered by campaigns that seek to make me a villain for my gender anymore.
Aww disliked even if not saying anything wrong, some people really only want to listen to one version of the facts like fanatics... Anyway the news about Japan aren't true, they are magnified like most news but gullible people fall for it 🙄
It's already seen as sexual harassment when a guy just pats a girl on their shoulder. Or even just looks at them.
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i just can't stand feminists. luckily, this bullshit is not as prevalent as mainstream media would have you believe. most women are not like this. most men are not like this. buzzed and other ultra liberal and feminist places like jezebel have done more harm than good to society. makes me ashamed to have left leaning views because i always get grouped in with these cucks. now i know how a not racist republican feels
"Cold war"? I don't see it as a bad thing. You just learn to respect people, and you won't have any problems. I have rarely seen instances of people "revoking consent years later". You just communicate and consent if unsure, and all's well.
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