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Here is the rub with the Ukraine... the Ukraine was never ever truly a independent and Sovereign Country. Basically since the 1500s if not further back it was a bunch of independent kingdoms that we vassal states to other "countries"... from the Ottomans to Czechs, Poland, Russia and Roman etc... By 1775 the Russia through a series wars with the Ottomans and other faction annexed all the territory of what we now consider to be modern day Ukraine as part to the Russia Empire. After the Communist Revolt between 1916 to 1922 there a period of autonomous... but again in 1922 it became the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which was honestly a more or less a Soviet State and not Independent Country. In 1992 Ukraine did gain antimony as independent and sovereign state but it also joined the Russia Federation and Russia gave it Crimea under the condition that it would never join NATO and remain within the Russia Federation. But that all changed in 2014, so since then Russia has consider it a rebellious state.
Now this may sound shady... but Ukraine made treaties and deal with Russia and then more or less broke them and Russia wants to enforce the treaties that were made and it it kind of has the right to do that.
But of course it only really wants to do that now because Russia feels it has rebuilt its strength and military might... and Putin wants to reestablish the old Soviet block power and influence which is something nobody in NATO wants to see. I grew up in the 1980s and we definitely don't want to those days to come back round. So now we either confront and deal with it this now through military might if necessary or we all better buckle up for the return of the old style Iron Current days to come back round.
I don't get the feeling Putin has intentions of stopping with Ukraine. I also hate the fact that he threatened the US and NATO, basically with nuclear power. Unfortunately; if he begins to encroach on NATO territory; then we have to go to WAR. We don't have a choice. We also don't want this guy becoming Hitler 2.0 and attempting to invade all over Europe. He seems pretty freaking crazy. Trump was crazy too; and Putin definitely feared the crazy more than the old sleepy puppy dog that is Joe Biden.
One thing that should at least give Putin pause to expanding the invasion to NATO countries is article 5 of NATO which says an attack on 1 NATO nation is an attack on all. If he does this he risks a coalition military response.
My concern is how bad do things have to get sanction-wise before Putin decides he has nothing to lose.
Russia: I'm gonna invade Ukraine
Biden: No you're not
Russia: Yeah I am. Look, I've sent my military.
Biden: You're not gonna do it.
Russia: Oh yeah, sure, not gonna do it *wink wink nudge nudge*
Russia: *Invades Ukraine
Biden:
@normalice you seem triggered
Dementia Biden did nothing to prevent it. Sanctions first , before he can invade. Weapons to Ukraine , not words like we are for you. Tanks, fighters, nuclear missile. Stealth Fighter would have been great. Other countries should have let then launch fighters from their countries. None of this happened. I doubt if sanctions are going to do anything. Ukraine was still not prepared though. They could have hit him as soon as Russia crossed border. They could launched missiles into Moscow.
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Basically I think Putin has bad intentions. That motherfucker never reveals what he wants, he has been playing mind games with all the peace talks and meetings by US, UK, China, France and NATO allies.
I think what Putin wants can be dates back to history when Ukraine pulled out and became and independent country Now Putin wants to claim them back and that is the reason he doesn't want Ukraine to be a member of NATO. He wants to have sovereign power over Ukraine.
Ukraine has an intention of joining NATO but Russia doesn't want that.
I fear for Ukraine though because eventually if this doesn't stop Ukraine will be nothing but dust at the end why because the Russians are targeting Ukraine in Ukraine, the US will be targeting Russian army in Ukraine, Nukes will be tested in Ukraine.
Ohh my poor Ukraine.
I just think of all the right wingers (and some left wingers) who said I was overreacting in my hostility to Putin being so eager to get trump elected and the 8 years of misinformation that tried to justify it as anything other than exactly what it has now turned out to be. I always started off all political conversations with the assumption that Putin is an enemy, and all is easily explained from there, but so many people disagreed with that first step thus derailing the entire conversation. Would be cool to go back to each of them and really grind their nose in it, but not that cool. I'd have much preferred to be wrong.
My thoughts: I have a good opinion about Putin; but to return to last century's errors disappoints me somehow. And it takes me by surprise - I did not expect it.
What these people over there do to each other is not my business though; it takes TWO to have a fight. It's not mine, and so I take no position.
What also disappoints me: the money market parasites once again take advantage and exploit the incident for their gambling schemes - I did expect THAT.
Interestingly, the ''world'' now feels obliged to be concerned.
Are they concerned when killing goes on in African countries or Myanmar?
I suspect bigotry here.
Or the middle east. That's what I thought. They are just hypocrites
I stand with Russia. Nato has promissed not to spread to the East 20 years when it had 17 members. Now there are 30 members, since they did actually spread to the West, and now they want Ukraine? This is basically invasion. Russia is defending itself. Biden is a complete retard, but I'm not surprised, considering what the average American leftist believes. It's just sad that so many smart and normal men would still fight for these leftists, because they believe they're doing the right thing. Also, don't forget which country is the ONLY one in history to use nukes, and which country has been acting as the world policeman for the last 80 years. And now it's Russia being evil, lmao.
On the other hand, Ukranian people are mostly innocent here, and might end up being a part of the collateral damage. I don't blame the Ukranian people, but I blame their goverent, as well as the U. S. and other Nato leaders (basically just the U. S. and maybe France).
Yeah US government so stupid but I didn't know France played a part too.
@Morning_Cereal
I mentioned France, since they are the only European country with a sizeable and relevant army. The other NATO nations are just backup. Without the U. S. and France, NATO is essentially powerless. That being said Macron supports the idea of a European army, and getting out of NATO, so he gets some credit for that from me.
@Zedonary get your facts. Don't say "and now they want Ukraine". Ukraine indicated their Intrest to join NATO.
Why does Putin not want them to join? That's the question you need to ask. If he doesn't have bad intentions then he should let Ukraine join.
Putin (Russia) wants to have powers over Ukraine eventually claim it as it's own. Russia knows it would be easy to accomplish their mission if Ukraine joins NATO
@roseline_ I wrote too long of a reply, so I'll cut it in half.
NATO is primarily an anti-russian pact, and everyone knows this, since Russia asked to join at one point and they blatantly refused. It was created after ww2 to spread the American propaganda over the world, insted of the soviet one. But don't forget who defeated Germany. USSR did over 80% of the job alone. U. S. just acted as backup in times when they weren't even needed anymore, and then they took credit for it. Seeing the power of the Slavs, they wanted to play some power games, so they created NATO. Also, the only major differences between the culture of modern-day nato countries and that of russia are that nato supports 3th and 4th wave feminism, everything lgbt related, shaming white people for no reason and the overdoing of cancel culture. Russia definitely has more entitled women and aggressive men, but if you think the West is so much more democratic - it's not. I feel like ot used to be until less than 10 years ago. Now we've gone to shit. I don't like it either, but that's the truth.
@roseline_ Anyway, Ukraine wants to join NATO because they lowkey hate russia, and my country joined out of fear of Serbia attacking again (I get it). But sadly I don't see almost any values in my country that I'd consider superior to that of Russia, and in fact I feel closer to other Slavs (Poles, Slovaks, Russians...) than the western NATO nations. If we have to be influenced by someone, I'd rather have it done by other Slavs, or at least the U. S. South than Biden. If you think most Slavs (including Ukranians) wouldn't agree with me, you're delusional. Sure, we have some negative feelings for each other as well, and Ukraine fears Russia for similar reasons as my country fearing Serbia. But even though we were attacked by them in the 90s and they committed genocide here, our cultures are the closest it comes to being the same between any two European nations, except Serbia and Montenegro maybe.
I know I got off topic a bit, but this is important to understand. NATO wants to spread the ideals that Slavs dislike, and even tho most people here do not support Russia at the moment, they would probably agree with me in that our ideals are closer to Russian. Geopolitics is never simple. No one will go to war for no reason. Russian soldiers have the internet too, and many speak English, so it's not that they haven't seen any differing opinions, and many have families in Ukraine as well. Still, they obey commands, unlike German soldiers by the end of ww1, despite not having the internet etc. Let that sink in.
An attack on Ukraine you say? Is that what you truly believe? The first strategic targets of any preplanned mission are against fixed facilities with the aim to destroy, degrade, and deny the ability to command and control forces and weaponry by striking leadership, government, security, and military facilities, while destroying and/or capturing infrastructure elements such as power plants, media, and telecommunication facilities. Meanwhile the internet works perfect in Ukraine and people are sending out videos all over the internet while the media broadcasts freely… You sure you don’t want to revise your theory?
Honestly... I couldn't care less. We have enough problems of our own that aren't being dealt with. Homelessness in the US has become a serious issue and the housing marketing is only worsening... this itself worries me more than whatever else might be happening in other countries.
Disgusting
I hope you will get homeless
I agree with you America should fix its own problems instead of trying to fix the world so dumb.
This is also to you @HelloSofi97
We should just get rid of NATO then it was unnecessary anyways.
I have no idea what Putin is doing.
Was the Ukraine attacking or threatening Russia?
No, not that I am aware of.
He just seems to be attacking a peaceful neighbor for no reason.
Like if the USA just decided to invade Canada.
I don't know what his goal is... it seems that he may but to conquer and subjugate all of the old USSR satellite states.
If he takes the Ukraine is Latvia, Belarus, Lithuania... etc. next?
I believe his goal is to take over before they join NATO. ( not saying it’s right) Latvia is part of nato so if they do anything to them it will start a huge war. I can’t stand Putin.
Putin's using Hitler's playbook from when he invaded Poland. Almost word-for-word. I have no doubt that the fake attacks on Russian nationals (mirroring Hitler's fake attacks on Germans in Poland in 1939) would have taken place if the US hadn't exposed what he was planning.
PUTIN IS A DICTATOR, HE SHOULD KILL HIMSELF.
HE INVADE AN INDEPENDENT AND SUVERAN NATION.
HE KILL PEOPLE WHO NEVER HARM RUSSIA IN ANY WAY.
MY OPINION IN RUSSIA WHAS ALWASE THE SAME IS THE EMPIRE EVILE AND RUSSIA MUST BE INVADED AND DESTROYED ONCE AND FOREVER.
RUSSIA = NAZY GERMANY <- IS THE SAME THING
I don't agree with all of your statements, but I certainly agree with the sentiments behind them.
Then you are 100% pro-rusian.
We all need to do something about the wanker Putin! He is a former KGB agent with an incredibly inflated ego! He will continue to expand until he have all the old Soviet back. In his mind none of the former eastern countries deserves independence! 🤢👊
The Soviet Union fell apart in what?1991 ? 1992 ? Something like that. So the European countries have had 30 years to plan for how they would deal with a situation like this. I have faith in them; I'm sure they won't be all just standing around with their pants around their ankles (again). Riiiiiight?
It’s not good. I have a feeling this is the beginning of what will eventually be WWIII. Because as of right now, other countries have the prime opportunity to invade another country themselves.
China can invade Taiwan right now, and that will most definitely start a world war.
Some people are treating this like it’s no big deal, are truly out of touch
This is all STAGED to create the new Boogeyman Patsy, Russia, who they'll blame when they shut the grid down.
Just like they used Osama Bin Laden as the patsy for 9/11 when it was really an INSIDE JOB by our own CIA. Watch this
https://www.bitchute.com/video/A9jyjbVLWty2/
It has DEAR DICTATOR BIDENS blessing if he wanted end this all he had to do was embargo everything and everyone else would follow shutting Putin's act down , but if this happened Dictator Bidens money and families monies would stop and we cannot allow that , where would poor Hunter get his whore master monies from.
well the UN has been overstepping the agreements of the ww2 peace treaties for decades now. they've integrated poland, baltic states and belarus into the UN even though that is in direct violation of the peace treaties. am is saying it's cool for russia to "go help ukraine with their corrupt government"? not really. but it would be even less ok for the UN / USA to do so.
This could go into a full scale war. Putin does not mess around.
We thought that COVID would never leave China back in 2019 but it screwed us over. Right now we think ( as Americans) that we are still isolated from the world. If it turns into a full scale war we are screwed... keep in mind the Ruskies have nukes ( as do we).
I hope this does not escalate anymore.
I don't even know why this war is happening but i feel sad for any person (military, civilians, kids and elders) losing their lives, their homes... etc, from both sides!
This war have started but no one knows when it will end and how it will end and if it will lead to a ww3 or not!
I pray for god to end this war with minimum casualties!
Feeling bad for the civilians but laughing my ass off to countries like USA and Europe, they always acted tough but everybody knows USA sucks whenever it comes to do military actions. They can just deal with countries like Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan or silly country like that which is already finished, when it comes to deal with big powers they don't have balls for it lmao.
Because they don’t play dirty. Trust. If the US did play like non nato countries military do, we would have completely leveled the middle east and dust our hands off
@Danny_dan92 Well that's why USA lost in Vietnam, hardly won in Iraq, couldn't control Afghanistan right? USA even joined WW1 and WW2 at the end when their enemies were exhausted already :D They came as fresh power.
USA might have good military technology but it lacks of military experience in my opinion.
Sheer bloody frightening, especially if that mentally deranged despot orders the "pushing of the button".
This depresses me terribly! It is a sign of the United States losing a great deal of strength in the world due to its current leadership.
This likely would not have happened in the past, but its clear Russia is emboldened by political weakness in the current USA administration.
I wish for all the best for the people of Ukraine. As someone who lives in a small country that borders Russia, this situation is pretty close to home for me.
@DiegoO I've only ever held a gun once in my whole life as a kid, but I think I'm ready to hold it against to defend my small homeland against Russia. Even if we have zero chances of winning against them.
Not surprised. Just waiting for China to move on Taiwan at this point.
China already flew some planes over Taiwan today.
@WhiplashMonkey I know. It was another boundary test. They want to see how America responded under Biden with Putin doing his run on Ukraine. They will make their decisions based on how Biden responds and the final outcome of Ukraine.
Extremely sad. This should not happen on the 21st century there are other ways to solve things. I hope it doesn't last long.
It's ridiculous. Waging war just because you're not getting what you want? So you're fine with killing people just as long as you get what you want...
Of course I’m sad and I’m praying for their peace. But I’m also scared because our British prime minster made some blunt comments today and I’m really not interested in messing with Russia lol.
There are multiple countries that have the same if not, more capable military capabilities
The US being one of them. The UK has a strong military too.
So if it ever gets to the point where any Nato county is pushing their military into Russia… Russia is truly going to be outgunned and out numbered
Things will escalate if Russia invades Poland.
Or if China or North Korea invade another country
I dont believe Im in a position to give political suggestions.
My comment was based off our Prime Minister making very serious comments to Putin yesterday when he’s really not capable of anything. It makes me worried about what’s going to happen to the UK if he continues. He can’t measure up to what he said.
If you don't know who set Russia up for this then let me enlighten you:
Honestly I don’t care. This comes from weak leadership. The catastrophe in Afghanistan and being in bed with China gave Putin the courage to be dumb. Americans voted for this, and politicians LOVE war.
The US provoked this crisis and got what it wanted: the Nordstream2 pipeline between Russia and Germany is delayed indefinitely.
Delusional
It’s senseless. The whole thing is. Ukraine literally still acting peaceful despite getting shelled.
Mixed. I think it will end up dividing the country and might be the best option for everyone. I agree with Trump that Biden provoked this.
That is a pretty stupid opinion
@Crucis84 Every single day Biden held a news conference and said Putin plans to do this and Putin is doing... This mad Putin look bad to the point he had to save his image!
You must be nuttier than the average FOX televangelist to think Biden has any fault in this. Biden used everything in his political arsenal to prevent the invasion from happening. Putin showed his real face, after all the lies and pretenses.
Mad – for the oil
Wouldn'thappen under Trump. In truth world leaders are sociopathic murderers that need to be kept in check. They don't care about human life and this is proof of it. This is not an act ofself defense kn Russia's part
i hate that it happened. i hope it doesn't escalate and eventually turn into ww3
It is all lies by the US and their lapdog media. They lie so much, they even lie when the truth would fit their agenda better.
So Putin orders to attack, yet he sits in his Bunker? What a overgrown coward baby. He should be on the front line. Hope he burns a slow death.
This false news, so why should I have thoughts about it.
You people are beyond delusional
It's mostly overreaction, by Russia. But suppose they feel an object lesson is required.
I think it's said but it's a governmental problem and not my personal problem. I blame Western governments for causing this situation ultimately.
My thoughts are I wish there were no wars but that it's Ukraine's problem and shouldn't be an American issue
It’s everyone’s problem when peaceful nations are invaded.
@ChefPapiChulo is correct.
@Jamie05rhs I 100% agree that it is wrong but we can't fix all wrongs and destroying more lives and treasure doesn't fix tyranny and there is literally centuries worth of proof of that.
@Godsvengeance No one is saying that the U. S. is going to get involved.
@Jamie05rhs not yet and even sanctions will only harm the poor and middle class of the world, not the oligarchs pulling the strings of war on both sides. Need proof? Look at oil prices after one day of conflict. Just more inflation to destroy our standard of living even more
That's incorrect. They're sanctioning the oligarchs specifically. Biden said so in his speech today.
@Jamie05rhs that's just like saying we are only raising taxes on the rich. No matter what, it's the poor and middle classes who pay.
@Godsvengeance They will all pay. And we will as well. And Putin will after he dies.
@Jamie05rhs the rich never pay, they always just pass it onto the lower classes.
Taxes and sanctions are not the same thing.
@Jamie05rhs there is a ton of overlap. Let's say, for instance, I am a Russian oil tycoon with political power. We will call him Vladimir Bush. I would be powerful enough to get sanctioned but I also own a significant business. Do you think I will eat these losses? No, I will pass them onto the consumers of my product just like I would if my taxes increased. And knowing that other countries, via sanctions, have stopped importing products to my country means that my consumers (the lower classes of Russians) will have no alternative
You can't do business if you're sanctioned. Your accounts are frozen.
@ChefPapiChulo It's their own problem when a peaceful nation is invaded. Unless we have an alliance we're not obligated to do something special for them just because they were invaded that's their problem ultimately.
I'm not being drafted into a war I don't agree with, by a man who isn't my president, that's controlled by a party who hates the US, voted in by crazy people who hate the constitution.
I think Russia is taking advantage of the US's extremely pathetic current administration and is taking over a country.
It's horrible and people are dying... Annnnd of course dictator Putin blames the west...
Putin is digging a deep grave for himself. Like, seriously? Instead of trying to bring up the economy, Putin is doing the far opposite.
Absolutely disgusting, revolting, unconscionable. To simply attack and take over another country because you feel like it, is beyond words.
Let Russia do Russia. Back in school I remember them invading a few years back nothing we could do then nothing we can do now
Putin's just trying to goad nato. We'll throw more sanctions up his ass. He'll have to deal with his oligarchs bitching about their failing business.
@Crucis84 these are extra harsh sanctions by the way.. not just your run of the mill average ones. www.wcjb.com/.../
@Still-alive There is nothing the West has that Russia needs, at least when it comes to natural resources, of which Russia has more of than any other nation on earth.
@Still-alive noice.
@Crucis84 yeah in the meantime Russias stocks are taking a huge nosedive...
not like US , you complain to Putin , he puts you in prison , and no hears from you again
@Crucis84 They don't work, China will give him anything he needs
@Crucis84 Russia is dirt poor
@Still-alive Stocks always recover, and they ALWAYS dive whenever a war breaks out. This is nothing new, nothing to be concerned about from Russia's perspective.
@Crucis84 yeah its going to stay that way for the foreseeable future.
why are you shilling for russia? pretty sus
@Crucis84 Russia a dirt poor country
@ChefPapiChulo Simply repeating a statement won't magically make it true. Russia is number one in most of the world's natural resources, like coal, oil, diamonds, uranium, gold, silver, titanium and many others. It's one of the main reasons why sanctions will never work against Russia.
@ChefPapiChulo Putin is probably richest man in the world
@Crucis84 Russia is still outranked by 10 other countries by GDP https://georank.org/economy/russia
@Crucis84 Natural gas , now he has more
@Still-alive Why are you shilling for the West? Pretty sus.
Of course, when you can't actually make a valid point, just accuse your opponent of being "on the wrong team".
Always works to convince others. Well, no, not really.
@Still-alive So what? Do you think GDP is all that matters?
@Crucis84 yes it matter. s it shows they aren't as on top of their economy as you think they are.
@Still-alive So other things, like life expectancy, literacy rates and standard of living, don't count? Just GDP?
@Crucis84 whataboutism just makes you look dumb...
@Still-alive Oh boy. You don't even know what "whataboutism" is really all about. Don't use terms you don't understand.
@Crucis84 you're a troll... and a russian hack.
@Still-alive You had my comment removed. You coward (I guess you'll remove this one as well).
You can dish out the insults (ex. "troll", "Russian hack"), but you can't take them. Pathetic!
@Crucis84 what? you posted a comment?
i didn't do anything about it...
@Still-alive You're a moderator. The little 'm' there on your profile picture. People like you shouldn't be in charge of moderation, because you don't have the right temperament, you can't control your emotions, and therefore cannot remain impartial and balanced.
You see, this isn't my first time on GAG. I had an account last year, closed it, and then decided to come back (I guess I was missing the place), so I know ALL about you Mr. 'Still Alive'.
@Crucis84 oh do you? who were you?
and anyways i did not remove your comment... so just stop with the baseless accusations already
Devastating, absolutely horrible. Hopefully it ends as soon as possible, best wishes to the people who didn’t ask for this.
It's very sad and concerning. Fuck Putin.
It is deplorable. Completely unprovoked and unjust.
I don't know and at the moment. I don't really care because WW3 may be starting and I may be drafted
Maybe you’ll be sent over to fight how do you feel about that?
I hope we just leave Ukraine and take Kaliningrad from Russia. Fuck them and their Navy.
This is just sad. Putin wants more power when Russia is already the biggest country in the world, stay strong Ukrainians 🇺🇦 🤗 ❤️ 🥺🫂❤️🍀
I am not concerned with Foreign struggles, we have enough of our own...
We are still uncivilize, trying to make each other civilized by giving logical explanation.
it would never happen with trump in office. putin feared trump
I'm afraid Ukraine doesn't have enough oil for its democracy to matter that much.
Despicable unprovoked aggression, a war crime.
FUCK Russia!!
That is all.
It’s terrifying and I hope it doesn’t escalate
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