Entire western world wants Germany to build a huge military, march through Poland &fight Russia. Weird times?

[Redhead999]

[BCA6010]

There's a lot more to this. Basically every country in NATO with the exception of the USA has been historically negligent with their obligations to dedicate a proportionate amount of their spending towards building and maintaining a standing military. The UK has generally hovered around where they're supposed to be, and Greece (of all places) was briefly compliant at one point. Since the GWOT, Poland really stepped up their game and is generally considered the most "eager" for lack of a better term for a country that is ready to commit troops at the drop of a hat. This, along with geographic location as the new buffer state between western Europe and Russia are part of why the US (under Trump anyway) wanted to move its forward military operations from Germany to Poland. The American presence in Germany is a major boon to their economy however, so between both economic and geopolitical factors, Germany wants to keep ingratiating itself with the Americans. Even if the US leaves, having a more built up force would leave them in a much better position in the long run, and let's be honest: the US is a much more dependable trade partner than it is an ally.

Even with increased spending though, Germany isn't even close to becoming a resurgent military power in the modern sense.

[Redhead999]

Hard to say. They have a small proffessional army just like they did before ww2. They also have a major arms industry.
France is like no2 in Nato in terms of power

[BCA6010]

France deserves credit where it's due: they've been very active in places that the US doesn't typically acknowledge (namely Africa), but in regards to fulfilling the NATO obligations, they've never actually met them. Much of France's projected military power revolves entirely on the fact that they're one of the few countries that has an operational aircraft carrier. For Germany to even start to resemble it's pre-WW2 patterns, they would need to start rapidly running through short term conscripts that could be recalled into service years down the road. That *could* happen down the road, but isn't the case yet, and propaganda in Germany is about as anti-German, pro-globalist movement as it gets, which would make it very difficult to motivate a militarized society to take up arms.

[SimpleGuy95]

Seriously? That´s not going to happen. The German army is no where from being able to fight Russia. Like we got an army of 180.000 soldiers at forces with 30.000 reservists.
Since 2011 we don´t have any draft service. Plus we´re already spending nearly 50 billion a year and most of our bigger military devices like a helicopters, tanks... aren´t ready for combat.
Doubling the expenses wouldn´t change make us able to attack Russia because everybody knows or should know that Germany can´t defend its territory without the help of the USA and the NATO.
How shall we attack Russia?

[Seinna]

Lol Germany is and always was Russia's biggest ally. While on the outside they pretend to criticize them, in reality they are the country that supports Russia's economy the most and always has. Germany will not fight Russia because they profit from Russia, all other countries be damned. If "western world" wants Germany to attack Russia then they're idiots with zero understanding of what is actually happening in Europe.

[DaveJord]

Your last post had me thinking what up with Redhead, I never thought you as a asinine Russian loving internet troll. But your posts have just gotten to out there in recent days. Have you been radicalized by some band of free lancing political radical retards, or are you on the Russian pay roll for real?

But this post seals the deal for me, comrade. I hope your on the payroll because if your not that means your literally this stupid for your own reasons, and most likely the active shooter if you believe in this garbage your talking about. Sorry your such a bitter person filled with hate like this. So bad, sad... later whackoo!

[Redhead999]

We don't have access to military grade weapons in the UK, you are thinking of America. Your so confused, one minute your describing me as ted book carrying communist and the next some sort of alt right fascist make up your mind.

[DaveJord]

Aren't they the same thing? LOL Think about it, what communist's country wasn't fascist? Here is another opportunity for you to dazzle me with your intellect. Be fore warned I have degrees in political science... so don't bring that mindless jabber... please tell what you think the difference is between Communism, Capitalist, Liberal and Fascist.

[Redhead999]

Fascist countries are the likes of musselini Italy, franco Spain, Argentina, vichy France, Romania etc. Communism is a whole other fish.
Funny how everyone on the Internet is an expert on everything.

[DaveJord]

What about Nazi Germany, you gave good examples of the fascist states, but still you missed the mark., let me help you.

Fascism- political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

So lets go again give me an example of communist nation, that was not or is not fascists, and would not consider Russia a fascist state or more so fascists than its western counter parts?

Come on Red flex that intellect and say something substantial and real.

[DaveJord]

What did Karl Marxs say about socialism? What did he say makes a true communist's society, and how it differed from capitalism. Come Red swing for the fences here and actually be intellectual instead of pretending to be one.

Oh, yeah did I mention your actual initial post of this questions is complete bull shit, that has been processed and reprocess and thrice rejected as being unworthy to use as plant fertilizer due to it high content of toxic insanity.

[Redhead999]

Yeah you obviously have a degree lol. Cheers for the copy and paste.

[DaveJord]

Ahhhh, come on Red you going fall back on a cut and paste of a text book definition... okay next I will site it in proper APA citation format. But sorry your not up to the challenge.

I never noticed your only 19, so explains a lot... go to college and read a few real books, from legitimate sources... if you actually care about this stuff get a real education before spewing this other type of garbage. Cheers to you, and here is to your future education! 🍻

[Redhead999]

I hope you manage yo put your copy and paste degree to work...

[ChrisMaster69]

Erm no they don’t.

Germany have had a nasty wake up call and decided themselves to put their defence spending on track.

Basically fuckwit Russians believing social media and making things worse than they thought possible.

[Redhead999]

Which is surprising that they have to as Germany is a major arms producer...

[Anonymous]

Hitler tried and failed; heck even Napoleon tried and failed. I don't think it will work out for Germany if they try it. It certainly won't be good for all the countries in the middle of these two.

[Redhead999]

The US was supplying the Russians at the time...

[Opinion Owner]

China will be supplying them this time around.

[Redhead999]

China has its own problems and China seems very reluctant to support Russia.
During ww2 the US supplied Russia with everything it would ever need. More tanks, trucks, lorries, jeeps, planes, locomotives, bullets, bombs, fuel than Germany had the entire war. Boots for every single Russian and s meal for every Russian.
Germany has more economic manufacturing capacity now than during ww2 and access to the world's resources which it didn't have.

[Opinion Owner]

Yes, but China views Russia as their shield against American interference.

[Redhead999]

China depends too much on America. Look at the damage America is doing to Russia with minimal effort.

[Slingblade1126]

Russia, in many respects, is more advanced than China militarily. They basically have the same technology. Only difference is, Russia doesn't have the money. In all reality, China isn't a military power house people make them out to be. Especially Technologically speaking.

[Redhead999]

@Slingblade1126 well china's military is basically copies of Russian military equipment, Russian military equipment and Chinese designs that have been largely copied from Western designs. If they are watching the Russian militaries performance in Ukraine theg are surely concerned about the effectiveness of the Chinese military for modern combat.

[Sixgunsound]

Let’s see where have I heard that before? Was it right before the Soviets scooped up Poland after the west LOST WWII?

[Snsl153]

The West didn't lose World War 2. They won. It's one of the reasons why we're using English rather than German or Japanese.

[Redhead999]

America became a superpower and in the 40s-70s enjoyed a standard of living never seen before.
The US after ww2 basically took over Europe, south and central America, Canada, the colonial empires of France, Britain, Holland, Belgium, Spain and Portugal, Japan, parts of indo China.
The soviet union was broke after ww2 and went broker trying to spread its ideology globally, Warsaw pact countries only started recovering from ww2 after the fall of the Soviet Union and are all part of nato. Russia lost long held territories that predated ww2 like Ukraine, Georgia, central asia and now can't even defeat Ukraine.
China controls mostly China and is boxed in around the South China Sea by economic powerhouses like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Mayla, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, the Philippines that have advanced modern militaries backed by the US military then they've got India, Cambodia and Vietnam who aren't on friendly terms with the Chinese. China likes to beat its chest for all the world to see because it is weak and afraid...

[Anonymous]

Who cares. Fuck Europe. Let it all crumble. Maybe then I won’t have to listen to you all bitch about Americans then.

[Slingblade1126]

Isn't it comical. They hate America so much but are absolutely obsessed with us! They know more about what's going on in my own country than I do. Yet, I know nothing about what's going on in Europe. Why? "Cause they're insignificant to me. When Trump was President they cried like bitches when he threatened to pull out of NATO. 2 days ago Swiss reps. Were here begging for help. I agree, let the the ungrateful fucks crumble! They couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.

[Snsl153]

@Slingblade1126 Yeah, we're not obsessed with you lot. We're actually annoyed. You're such an entitled, childish lot, constantly whingeing about how the rest of the world doesn't appreciate you enough. :D

[grega239]

Hahah.

Only americans can be that arrogant, while being so ignorant

[Slingblade1126]

@Snsl153 Based on the reaction of the world when Trump was president and talked about the US going into a type of isolation, threatening to leave NATO, leaving the Paris climate agreement, putting tariffs on trading partners among other things, I'd hardly say we're the ones that feel entitled. There is absolutely no reason you should feel annoyed by the US. Like I said, I don't give any European countries a second thought.

[Snsl153]

@Slingblade1126 You need to get your facts straight. Don Trump didn't "threaten to leave NATO", he just wanted the other NATO members to pay their fair share of maintaining the so-called alliance. The Paris climate agreement was a dud from the very beginning, and the US wasn't the only nation to see that.

[Slingblade1126]

@Snsl153 False. Trump threatened to PULL OUT of NATO because countries weren't paying and becoming to reliant on Russian oil. Get YOUR facts straight.

[Snsl153]

@Slingblade1126 Let me guess. You get your "news" from CNN and MSNBC. Correct?

[Slingblade1126]

@Snsl153 No, it was quoted by his aides as well as the NATO leaders in the conference. Why do you think they cried at the thought and actually started paying? Let me guess, you listen to BBC?

[Redhead999]

@Slingblade1126 Trump publicly told the world what the US was pushing to their NATO allies in regards to their contribution to NATO, buying US arms and funding the Russian economy by buying oil and gas from Russia. Biden recently made a gaff regarding Iran in a briefing about ukraine, was it a senior moment or a Freudian slip regarding us intentions towards Iran?

[Anonymous]

Let's go boys

[Anonymous]

Wouldn't be the first time the Americans had backed and bank rolled a German war machine.

[Fuentes]

Japan is also wanting to increase their spending to probably fight off China if the time comes lol

[Bklynbadboy12]

This whole world is going fuckin crazy all of this cause Russia is a bully

[Dargil]

I don't see that as true.

[andreasderjuengere]

But Germany is too smart to do as told :D

[QuietRunner]

Weird times

or

the End Times!!!

[888theGreat]

Germany could fight their way out of a paper sack

[888theGreat]

couldn't

[Snsl153]

The Yanks didn't do so well in places like Vietnam and Afghanistan.

[Redhead999]

@Snsl153 they did very well in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Mission accomplished.

[888theGreat]

No, Democrat Presidents could have smashed Viet Cong by destroying their ports , but they wouldn't. Supplies could not have gotten in. Afgan was screwed up by Beddy bye Biden

[Redhead999]

Big picture. As for destroying ports, it wouldn't have mattered. Remember the vietcong transported everything along the ho chi ming trail mostly on bicycle or by mule. China was supplying them.
Afghanistan didn't matter anymore, it served its purpose now its Pakistan's problem and civil war will break out soon.

[888theGreat]

They got supplies from ports then went underground moving it.

[Redhead999]

Point is they were going to get the supplies regardless even if they had to use row boats or as they did walk it down from china

[888theGreat]

It would have required more time and effort and longer distances and gave US advantage

[Redhead999]

Not really. The US tried everything to stop the supply to the south but nothing worked.

[Snsl153]

Mission accomplished? Redhead, you have a really warped sense of humour. :D

[Redhead999]

@Snsl153 you gotta look at the overall strategic goal of America and how they benefited.

[DaveJord]

@Snsl153 actually the yanks accomplished all their military objectives in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Politically the local ideologies were not defeated, and when they will not change williningly then there only two choices left militarily. Pull out and call it a day, or start killing them all mercilessly to the man women and child. Of course ethically the "yanks" are bound morally... so we left, because the American people don't have the stomach for that type of war, even when its the type of war we are in.

[DaveJord]

@888thegreat. They were not using ports, they were moving supplies through Laos and Cambodia from China, which is why Nixon secretly expanded the war in 1970 into Cambodia. There by violating international laws... and without the American people knowing about it. But by then enough American Soldiers were coming home all mentally and physically messed up and telling the world what was really going on in Vietnam. The war failed because politically the liberal democratic puppet government that the US was trying to support in Vietnam, was more corrupt, inept and intolerable than the North Vietnamese. So it collapsed and US was stuck with a country with no functioning government entwined in an ever exculating conflict that could only be won by invading North Vietnam, but that would of brought China into the war like we saw happen in Korea in the 1950s.

[LimitedBenefits101]

they all scared of Russia even us americans.

[Anonymous]

The EU newo-nazi army

[Bricealan]

Seig Heil!!!

[Wise4myage]

Welcome WW III.