A woman's right to have an abortion in France is now constitutional, what's your opinion?

[TonyMetal___86]

Don't know what's the difference between legalizing it or having it in their constitution 🤔

Anyways, i don't care about such a corrupted country which is becoming more and more without morals, values and without faith...

Hurray, french women can legally kill their babies now and their president Macaron will applause them 😒

Personally, i will always be the man who is against abortion unless for harsh medical reasons, no matter what the laws says and about the women's rights, well they are written on my toilet paper, i mean such rights, not the real rights which a woman deserves!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/france-abortion-constitution-amendment-women-right-to-procedure-guaranteed/

[JacobJordan]

2 things. 1 Abortion should only be legal in the around 15% of cases where the mothers life is at risk. The other 85% no you choose to spread your legs and risk the baby. And 2 if abortion is legal across the board then men need the legal right to not have to pay child support effective immediately. Why should a man have to support a child he doesn't want when a woman who doesn't want it can abort it.

[TonyMetal___86]

Well said 👍🏻

[strateguy632]

constitution didn't specify which week. french law still forbids abortion "during second trimester" the constitution protects first trimester!

[TonyMetal___86]

I read somewhere that this was the law in 1975 but now they have canceled the timing and they have printed it in their constitution, if not! Than why they are all celebrating it if this law was declared in 1975, also what's the difference between what happened now and the law which was made in 1975 🤔

[strateguy632]

nope, last year they moved it from 12 week to second trimester 14 week, and macron opposed.

[A_Bell]

In the first trimester, it should be legal and protected. Comparing that level of development to a human is ludicrous and undermines the seriousness of law.

Sometime after that point, the fetus becomes a human and needs to be protected as you would a 1 second old baby.

The extremists on both sides just extend misery for all.

[TonyMetal___86]

In my opinion, when a woman gets pregnant, it means that life had started and god gave a soul to this developing human being...

Who said that in the 1st trimester, a fetus isen't alive or doesn't have a soul?

Also why it's the woman's decision only, if the woman is married, where's her husband decision or at least opinion and rights over his baby?

[A_Bell]

Cancer is alive, so is a bacterial infection. It isn't rather it's alive, it's rather it has human rights.

Our government separation of church and state doesn't allow you to proclaim something has a soul because you simply believe it.

I am mostly neutral on this issue, but people who argue like you do want me to see the other side win because your arguments are the antithesis of what our government should be.

[TonyMetal___86]

If you're an atheist than no point of having a convo with you because you worship the human rights the way humans have wrote it...

I don't worship humans, i worship god and believe in his teachings to us...

Also what does the humans rights have to do with how you're built, are you a human or not? Do you have life, soul or not?

[laly520]

france is doomed instead of tryna fix some major issues they wasting time on bs

[TonyMetal___86]

True and their president is just trying to win some points for political needs, he doesn't care about the laws he's signing or accepting as long as they are making him win some points over his opponents...

A real president is someone who put's his country's interest as 1st priority and assures the well being of it's citizens, unlike a president who just want to score some points over the ruins of his burnt country!

[laly520]

their president is so pathetic
a real clown

[TonyMetal___86]

And his wife is nearly the age of his mother!

[laly520]

not to mention she liked him since he was 15 yo
what a sick pedo

[TonyMetal___86]

WoW 😳

[AviatorTom]

Abortion should either be illegal in all situations, no exceptions, or legal. To do anything else is hypocritical.

[TonyMetal___86]

Well i guess in paris they made it legal without any reason or exception, you can just kill innocent unborn babies anytime you want, even if the baby is 9 months old and ofc not YOU, (men) cause men are out of the equation completely, it's another f*cking woman's right that you have a no say in it at all 😂😂

BUUUUTTTT wait a second, if 👉🏻SHE👈🏻 decides to keep it, she will force you to pay the baby's bills and everything and even pay her an alimony, you are f*cked up in all positions and ways and if you dare to say no 😭 than you will be thrown in jail like a rotting rat!

Bravooo! 👏🏻😀

[LaurenM1997]

Omg that’s heartbreaking 💔 I am against abortion too 😢

[TonyMetal___86]

Yep miss Lauren, just look at these stupid crowds cheering up for this new achievement, as if they were saying: we found a cure and from now on, no one have to suffer or die from cancer anymore, but NO! They are clapping and whistling cause now they can kill unborn babies anytime they want, without a specific time, which means that the baby might be 8 months old which means a full human being, not a fetus anymore, STILL the woman can have an abortion without any reason, no reason at all!

She can just wake up and say: i don't want this baby anymore, let's get rid of him/her and it's perfectly legal...

I'm not surprised if the next law will be legalizing pedo's and crimes!

In the past i used to love the history and the sightings in France but now i consider it a country that is full of sh*t, animals are better!

[LaurenM1997]

Abortion should be illegal 😔💔

[TonyMetal___86]

True 👍🏻
A baby is a gift from god, or at least that's how i personally see it, do you know how many married couples are praying and suffering and paying tons of cash to doctors, just so that they can have a baby? While others are being granted this priceless gift, just so they kill it and treat it like trash!

Nothing equals the feeling of a hard working man coming back home from his job to be welcomed by his housewife in her soft arms, feeling warm and loved than at night he will kiss the womb of his wife while the baby is playing and being happy inside...

The latest studies have shown that a baby can feel if his mother is happy and will be affected by his/her surrounding, if the parents are happy than the baby inside will be smiling 😊

[LaurenM1997]

Aww I didn’t know that about the baby inside till now that’s amazing ❤️

[LaurenM1997]

I’m glad they can feel their mum and dad being happy 😊

[TonyMetal___86]

😊👍🏻

[Anonymous]

It never fails to amaze me how rabidly some people believe that they’ve just GOT to be able to kill babies.

[TonyMetal___86]

And they call it "rights", a WOMAN's right!

[RainbowMarinade]

Can’t be making laws that support women in their belief that their bodies, and anything contained with in, belongs to them.

[TonyMetal___86]

The unborn baby doesn't belongs only to you, but to his father too...
Step out from this mentality cause it will destroy you!

Your body, your choice than don't get pregnant and don't even have a relationship...

[RainbowMarinade]

@TonyMetal___86
That’s what I’m saying. It’s insane to tell a woman that just because something is IN her body, that should have any say over it.
She needs permission for that shit.
And true. If a women believes that just because it’s her body, she should get some voice in how it’s treated, well she should just do us all a favor and never allow herself to experience the joys and personal connection that you get from a loving relationship.
If you cannot allow others ownership over your person, you don’t deserve a relationship.
Why the hostility? I’m agreeing with you.

[TonyMetal___86]

Sorry @RainbowMarinade i thought that you were questioning me about how come a woman doesn't have the right to make laws the way it suits her cause it's her body and everything in it belongs to her, that's what i thought 😂😂

Actually now you gave an amazing answer, maybe you wrote it better than i did 😌

Women like you are smart, admired and appreciated because they are real ladies!

In a real marriage, there is no my body and your body because to a husband, his wife's body will be treated the same as he treats his body and for the wife she will treat her husband's body the same way she treats her body because both are one!

[TonyMetal___86]

If a man runs away from his duties and responsibilities than the woman will have the complete decision but if a man is there for his woman and holding his complete responsibilities towards his family, why would he be treated like a nobody... etc

[_no_one_]

I am usually based and redpilled but i am very rational about this topic, i believe forcebly keeping a child would eventually lead to more damage than abortion would.

[TonyMetal___86]

So you think that it's legal to kill an unborn human being just like this without any reason, PLUS the man have no say in it at all, not even mentioned, you as a man, would you sign a paper of law which makes you feel a bottom citizen deprived from rights and deprived from even being a human being who had participated in the creation of this unborn child?

Also signing a paper giving all the power to a woman and leaving yourself like a worthless cockroach who is invisible to the society whom his opinions and thoughts are pooped on!

Also signing a paper saying that i'm your partner in crime in a way or another because you're agreeing on the termination of an innocent human life...

The list goes on and you have to read between the lines, if you can't find a problem with this than don't nag about why feminazis are overpowered with time 😒

[_no_one_]

I am way too rational for that, there are times when i think abortion is bs but at the same time looking and how people are, I'd say they shouldn't have a child coz their behaviour shows how shitty its gonna be for thay child. I don't look at it from an insecure perspective where i'd be giving all my power to women coz world ain't black and white, there are always situations and reasons and explanations. A family is built on trust and comfort, not opinions and politics. If there is no mutual understanding or ground in big decisions like this then it's not the right person to spend the rest of your life with.

[TonyMetal___86]

That they shouldn't get married or have babies, it's not the baby's fault if his/her parents are scumbags!

They should be punished, not the baby!

Anyways, speaking from your perception, why is it only a woman's right? For example if you decide that tou don't want the baby anymore, will they spare you from the bills, costs and responsibilities or they will force you because the mother doesn't want to have an abortion? 🤔

BUT if she decides to have an abortion = (murder of an unborn human) it's legal and no one can sue her with anything...

How about that, where's the equality? Or the laws these days only serves a specific gender against the other 😏

You know what irritates me, i mean if i see a woman signing such laws, i'd say she's favoring herself, but when i see a jackass (male) signing such papers, i scratch my head like wtf are you doing, do you enjoy screwing yourself and your gender!!

[LaurenM1997]

NO the abortion would leave to more damage cause it shouldn’t fucking happen!

[_no_one_]

One of the parent doesn't want a child the other does - > ok abortion bad so we dont do it - > Family breaks coz ofc their has been difference in opinion - > Child is fatherless or motherless - > Gets mental health issues and suffers for life.

Works the other way too tho, abortion legal - > father wants child mother doesn't so we abort - > they separate - > They deal with that shit on their own and a child doesn't have to suffer for life at least.

Thats my rational pov on this aside from all the political bs. Personally i dont stand for inequalities in decision making but i do acknowledge other sides of stories coz they do fucking matter. I dont have a stand on this coz both the sides have many ridiculous takes and i like to associate with ones that make more sense. Protective laws need to be there but so should the watchers for these laws to account for their misuse.

[LaurenM1997]

I agree with @TonyMetal___86 on this one abortion is so bad

[The_Sexpert]

Hope some evil women won't misuse it

[TonyMetal___86]

Oh they will for sure, don't forget to remind me when this bullsh*t starts, how feminazis are going to act!

When you give a maniac more and more push, support and power, she's going to think that she is superior and reaching a god level!

[The_Sexpert]

True

[butterly248]

I am so happy. I am pro choice and I hope other countries will follow soon!

[TonyMetal___86]

Happy for what? Killing innocent unborn humans makes you happy? wow 😒

[butterly248]

@TonyMental__86 that's you're opinion and I have mine :)

[TonyMetal___86]

Yes a murder is all about an opinion or not, if someday you got killed, i'll tell them that it's your opinion that she got killed but my opinion says that she just died, i'll carry on with my life as if nothing had happened, great way of thinking 🤣

[butterly248]

Okay 👍

[LaurenM1997]

I don’t hope any countries follow soon this is disgusting and I feel sick to my stomach 🤢🤢