Veganism: why or why not? Would you consider Veganism if you were given all the resources required?

[blackkid2]

There are few popular reasons people are Vegan, one is based on supposedly the diet being healthier for you, one is based on the ethical treatment of animals, and one is for spiritual reasons. What I want to know is whether you would consider Veganism if you were given all the resources required ( including a professional chef ) at no cost for the rest of your life so long as you stuck to the diet and why you would or would not do so?

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+1 y

If I could close this thread I would. I understand that Veganism is not something we can sensibly discuss here. Not that we, as humans, can discuss ANYTHING sensibly here. That's why I like this place. It's the only area I've ever found where someone would ask "I had sex once, it's been 8 mins., am I pregnant?"

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+1 y

Also, why the f*ck is this so popular? I WANT THIS THREAD TO DIE STOP TYPING AT IT. STOP IT. FOREVER. I'm a busy man doing doing busy man things and no time for your opinions on this matter anymore. Ever.

[Anonymous]

Go to the websites of the Mayo Clinic, The American Heart Association, The American Dietetic Association and even the The Cancer Society. All of these groups/organizations are far more credible and unbiased when it comes to health and nutrition and all include meat/dairy/eggs (the basic no-no of a vegan diet) in their recommended overall healthy diets/meal plans and shopping guides.

The responses of the vegans/vegetarians are typical self serving stereotypes by the fanatics that imply just because someone is vegan/vegetarian, they are automatically healthy as if they took some sort magic pill. Being a vegan/vegetarian is the end all purpose of their lives, nothing else matters.

You are alive so obviously meat and milk hasn't killed you. Billions of other people eat meat and none of them develop cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc (these diseases are all part of the vegan mantra against meat)

Milk has been around for more then ten thousand years. Billions of people have consumed milk regularly without ill effects. Vegan and vegetarian propaganda speak against the the product because they object to the process by which it is obtained. (Militant/Activist) Vegans in particular oppose the use of animals (calling it exploitation) but have been largely ignored so they are trying a different tack, mainly by demonizing milk. The hypocrisy against animal "exploitation" is highlighted however by vegans insisting their pets are not called "pets" but "animal companions" as if a simple name change means anything.

More toxic than plants? First that is not true. The most poisonous foods are plants. In fact most poisons are derived from plants. The most contaminated foods (10out of 12) are in fact plant foods. Of the last five big food recalls and health advisories (meaning foods contaminated to the point of not being for consumption even for animals), 4 were plant foods (the last one being the egg scare a few months back)

[xzinax2]

oh.my.god. you can't claim that western society is healthier than cultures who rarely consume animal products when most cases are in western society.

[blackkid2]

The problem with your citations is that they do not "Adamantly insist" that Veganism is a poor diet. They just presume you are on a culturally average diet. The equivalent organizations in various countries where the diets are different have different suggestions. The only reason I say that is because if you are to use those people as citations you need to prove they insist that Veganism is a poor dietary choice.

[abundantlyrich]

blackkid2: link

[xzinax2]

‘The couple did not follow doctor’s advice to take their baby to hospital when she was suffering from bronchitis and was losing weight when they went for the nine-month check-up.

‘They preferred applying clay or cabbage poultices whose recipes they found in their books. These are people who read the wrong thing at the wrong time''

this isn't veganism,this is stupidity

[xzinax2]

link

[blackkid2]

I read your link. I heard about this a while ago but I'm not quite sure what you intended to prove. The child died of deficiencies but was not eating a normal diet by any means; the child did not die of veganism because by 6 mos. you should start eating solid foods. Fortified cereal alone would have prevented this. The child would have died no matter what diet the mother was on if she was only giving it breastmilk and had a vitamin deficiency herself.

[ketfoen]

Nah, I have always preferred a well balanced diet of fish, meats, greens, vegetables and fruit.

I don't like all that guess work, you gotta eat this, you gotta eat that, to keep up your normal body functions, for day to day activities.

I guess becoming a vegan is ones choice, but not mine.

I know if I am ever stranded somewhere and I'm with a vegan he/she will be the first one to go and I'll just become a cannibal and eat her till help arrives. I wouldn't be scared to eat a vegan, because I know they ate healthy in life. :-D

So I guess for my sake, we do need vegans around.

[blackkid2]

I hope you die of prions. D< That's horrible.

[ketfoen]

You really shouldn't wish death to someone else, that is bad karma. Every vegan terrorist knows that.

[blackkid2]

Are there even Vegan terrorists? I don't think Veganism is even a cause.

[blackkid2]

Time for exploration ... Oh & you're fired.

[xzinax2]

vegan terrorist are usually referred to as-people who open cages of rats. some do blow factories up,but is blowing something up (tho,for a good cause) the same as freeing mink?

[Buffalo]

'but is blowing something up (tho,for a good cause)'

That is not a good cause for violence. I can't even believe I just read that.

[xzinax2]

no one is in them when it happens lol it's just the destruction of a concentration camp.

[ketfoen]

lmao, I just harmlessly replied back for someone who is wishing me a death by mutation and I find out that vegan terrorist truly exist hahahaha. Good grief, you people are nuts, all frakking nuts. mmm, back to eating Mary's little lamb chops. nom nom nom nom

[xzinax2]

that's like saying all Muslims are terrorists,it just isn't true. I don't agree with what they do,it's like spreading islam with bombs-useless,and even though they rarely want to hurt anyone (there are some nutjobs) accidents happen,so it's a horrible thing to do.

[ketfoen]

@ xzinax2, keep it in the subject lady. If you have no idea what to say, just keep quiet and don't reply. But I guess you want the last word, so go on ahead, reply again with another useless comment. What will it be this time, how we didn't land on the moon or it's a conspiracy which involves the illuminati? Chesus, nutjob.

[xzinax2]

what? did you even read what I said or do you simply not understand comparisons?

[blackkid2]

I take it ketfeon doesn't know what a Prion is. Or how you get them.

[xzinax2]

just to explain why everyone is bitching at me even though I'm not saying anything except facts link

[ketfoen]

LMAO, 2 nut jobs. As I said before, stay vegan my friends. No need to explain your chosen lifestyle and the impending doom that awaits us from consuming meat.

[blackkid2]

At least you're satisfied. It's no fun toying with people who don't get it anyway.

[ketfoen]

rofl, I would love to toy with you my friend, but here's the dildo. Ya'll splurting more bullsh!t than my fragile simple mind can take. Going on and on and on, just a waste of time. So stay healthy, be well and eat green. hahaha. I'm out.

[blackkid2]

Actually you not getting it is why this took so long. You weren't clever enough to see I wasn't actually wishing you death but I was playing off of what you said about eating a vegan. So caught up in your malevolent intent you didn't see the joke. You get prions from eating dead people, doof.

[hallieb26]

Yes. I've tried it, lasted about 3 months until I just went to being a vegetarian. The only reason I stopped though is because I was 14 and didn't know how to keep a balanced diet with so many restrictions. By the time I decided to stop I just wasn't feeling healthy. It's been about 6 years since then and I'm actually thinking about trying to again. I don't eat much dairy anyways and if I had a professional chef then heck yeah I would do it for a number of reasons, most of which you already listed. I would do it for ethical and for health reasons, but also because of preference. After not having meat for so long the smell of it sometimes makes me sick. It's just not appealing to me anymore (in most cases, there are a few exceptions I guess). In regards to dairy, there is something about it that has always grossed me out about it. I like the taste and I just can't explain what it is, but I occasionally feel nauseous just thinking about some dairy products. I don't preach or put pressure on other people to change their lifestyle because I did, but I'm happy with my choice and I'm sure I would be just as happy, if not more, if I got my act together and cut out dairy and all other animal products completely.

[Daph81]

No.

Being a vegetarian, maybe. But being a vegan is not an option.

I like meat, and although I'm eating a lot less meat now (which was why I said that maybe I could be a vegetarian), but I can't keep my mouth away from dairy and eggs.

Healthier for you? I think that's BS.

Also, it's just too complicated. I'd be too high-maintenance if I were vegan.

I also like constant changes in my food. Going vegan would mean having less choices and that doesn't sound good to me.

Also, lots of vegans (vegetarians too) behave like the christians, condemning you if you're not like them. I "liked" PETA on FB for a while, but was pissed off by them calling us carnivores names and acting all hollier-than-thou. I'm not willing to give them the satisfaction by following their lifestyle. They can live their own way, shut the f*** up and leave this carnivore alone. If they don't, I'll eat them.

I love animals, too, I'm passionate about them and nature, but I'm more concerned about the sustainability. As long as there's still enough chickens in the world, I'll eat chickens. If there were only 2 chickens left and 50,000 dogs, I'd eat dogs.

[xzinax2]

-it is healthier,you really can't even challenge that

-there are a lot of vegan options out there,all it takes is some exploration-even 5 minutes is enough to see there are a lot of choices out there

-PETA does not represent vegans or vegetarians,they're a bunch of fat shaming,animals-killing,money grabbing attention whores. don't kill animals because PETA are f***heads.

-you're not a carnivore,if you ate only meat,you'd die,you have the body of an herbivore and the habits of an omnivore-but

[xzinax2]

you're not a carnivore.

-killing others isn't YOUR choice

-eating meat,dairy and eggs is killing the environment,not to mention animals

[Daph81]

Looks like we have a vegan here.

Whatever, do what you want and I'll do what I want. The idea of going vegan does not appeal the slightest bit to me, and I'm accustomed to eat whatever is easy to get, no need to ponder whether this is an animal product or not, and I'm not willing to change that comfort. To each their own.

And the health part? I don't want to live until I'm 100 anyway, and lots of omnivores are healthy.

[xzinax2]

why are you being defensive? I'm not attacking you,if anything I want to help you. you say you could be a vegetarian,and you love animals and sustainability-i'm just trying to help you see you COULD help them,easily. I'm willing to be the one to show you vegan meals and how animals are treated-i didn't comment to call you a bloodmouth/murderer or whateverthef*** they're using now

[abundantlyrich]

I like your answer, Daph81

[Daph81]

xzinax2: I already said I'm not interested in being vegan. Yet you still try to "help" me. It's people like you I don't like. It's like constantly getting approached by christians and being told you HAVE to do this, even though you said you're not interested. Learn to respect other people's wishes, please!

[Daph81]

abundantlyrich: thanks!

[xzinax2]

i was just sharing some knowledge. and learn to respect the wishes of others not to be killed.

[Daph81]

whatever... say anything you want, you're just wasting your time and energy.

[kennyk]

My girlfriend and I are becoming vegans. I've been vegetarian for 5 years, she for 7. I always figured I'd become vegan at some point, if I found a suitable girl to go vegan with. I suggested that if she ever wanted to go vegan, I would do it with her. She took that and quickly ran with it. :)

We're doing it mostly for ethical reasons. But health is there too. If you think about how effed up dairy is (we are the only species to consume milk into adulthood, and the only to consume milk from a species other than our own) that's pretty easy to cut out. The harder one is egg, or more specifically the pastries that are made with egg.

Most of the things I've had to cut out though are not particularly good for me anyway - cookies, muffins, pizza, candy, etc.

[xzinax2]

you don't have to cut out those things though-you can treat yourself-look up some recepies,and there are vegan bakeries

[abundantlyrich]

Kennyk: How realistic is it for you to practice vegan if you have to travel to another country or meet up with friends and eat at a restaurants who are not vegan like you? and there are no quality vegan foods available to consume?

[blackkid2]

Actually if you're American it is MUCH easier to be vegan in other countries because most countries consume MUCH less meat. It's realistic, actually it's not just realistic, it's probable. People become close to vegetarian because of hos much meat costs in other countries and the fact that animal byproducts are way more expensive to use and cook with.

[xzinax2]

i live in a country where eid al-adha is celebrated and we have a couple vegan restaurants,and vegan foods are everywhere,in every country

[kennyk]

I don't know, I've been outside the country once in my life (Canada). I don't make my life decisions based on one or two isolated events that may or may not happen. I'm not going to not become vegan on the off chance I end up in a restaurant where I can't eat. I would probably bring food or cook for myself if I had to. I also have my girlfriend to accompany me through whatever vegan hardships I may face.

[xzinax2]

i do it,and I did it with no help,i don't see why people think it takes a sh*tload of money and energy to eat an apple. please take the time to watch this

https://www.YouTube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=es6U00LMmC4

[blackkid2]

Why did you do it?

[xzinax2]

i was a vegetarian since I was 11,i knew I'd go vegan,it was just easier for my parents to handle vegetarian first-my father did beat me,force chicken down my throat and threaten to kill me and set the house on fire,but I was getting beaten anyway,might as well stand up for myself. I was going to go vegan when I move out,but couldn't do it anymore-i know what it's like to be hit,and I don't even want to imagine what animals go through-i can't allow myself to live from murder,rape and slavery

[blackkid2]

So a combination of ethics and trauma ... An interesting driving force. To turn to such at such a young age must have been hard though; how did you navigate the public systems and food offerings? I imagine the vegetables were probably not "pure" without butter or other such. Then again I could be totally wrong.

[xzinax2]

lol well the trauma was more caused by it than it started it,if anything the real trauma was seeing one too many eid al-adha. vegetarianism is easy-you just don't eat meat,you order french fries or pizza and you're set. veganism is a bit harder,only because you get weird looks-just ask for a fruit salad without cream,or steamed vegetables-but that's cause I don't eat gluten-vegans can eat pasta (no eggs),vegan pizza,sandwiches-my level is just set on extra hard,but even then,it's a kid's game.

[blackkid2]

I wish I had your tenacity. It sounds like anyone could be vegan with little effort.

[xzinax2]

of course they could-it's just that the media makes us look like crazy,prana eating,bomb-making,human hating,anorexic hippies. it's easy,it's cheap,healthy and nobody gets hurt-people just think NOT killing something is extreme.

[blackkid2]

My guess is that it's just force of habit. I mean I don't follow any particular diet so being Vegan would cause no distress for me. I already know it's cheap though; a bag of apples is cheaper than it's equivalent in meat by 60% or more. That is one argument I always found odd; people say it's expensive but meat is really expensive and so is milk, etc. Animal byproducts cost way more.

[xzinax2]

conspiracy-meat,dairy,egg industry just lie. poison found in milk in the balkan-within a matter of days-celebrities started promoting milk. remember the got milk campaigns? people didn't even eat meat or drink milk much before. and nobody shows a slaughterhouse,it's always chickens on a farm,cows in a field-this is what counts as free range chickens- link

[xzinax2]

link and for milk- link

[blackkid2]

The milk link is interesting!

[xzinax2]

"Countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis, such as the United States, England, and Sweden, consume the most milk. China and Japan, where people eat much less protein and dairy food, have low rates of osteoporosis."

Nutrition Action Healthletter, June, 1993

[blackkid2]

Do I get points for knowing all of this? I don't drink milk nor do I eggs but for different reasons though that's just a perk.I don't remember when they finally were forced to take down the ads because of false advertising. That lawsuit was interesting.

[Daph81]

really? You leave propaganda links to every non-vegan answerer? You're just like a preacher. Leave us meat eaters alone, OK? You're vegan, good for you. Stop shoving veganism in our faces.

[xzinax2]

leave animals alone link

[blackkid2]

"Stop shoving [ topic of thread [ in our faces!" > I don't know how to feel about that one.

[Daph81]

leave me alone. I don't even click your link. call me ignorant, murderer, whatever. I'm content with it.

[xzinax2]

leave you alone? you're commenting on my answer lol,i was done with you 10 minutes ago

[blackkid2]

... Just leave. I don't want you getting all upset over it. It's okay. It's just GAG. I swear Zina won't come and kill you in your sleep and turn you into Soylent Green as an example for the rest of the world. Well I can't actually swear that but it's unlikely if that's comforting. But really, relax, it's just a game. Or a part of a game. Or a part of a part of an intricate system of games ...

Deep.

[Daph81]

I'm commenting on your answer because you leaving propaganda links on every non-vegan answer is exactly what I was talking about in my answer. You're just like the PETA people, you don't call people names, but you're still shoving it in people's faces. And that's annoying. I'm done.

[blackkid2]

... I'm just like the PeTA people ... ? Me? I ...

Oh. I see. Then I've lost all respect. I may as well be dead.

[xzinax2]

wanting people to know they're killing themselves,the planet and all other animals isn't exactly a bad deed

[Daph81]

QA: it wasn't you I was talking about. I didn't even know you left that comment until now.

[abundantlyrich]

No veganism for me. But I'm not a huge meat eater myself. I thrive on mainly chicken... ..and beef once in a while.

The typical human body needs a bit of every type of food to survive.

I do know when people go vegan, they're hugely sensitive and can overreact and they don't have a sex drive. They're often physically weak and malnourished.

[blackkid2]

Where did you learn that? Those are signs of starvation.

[xzinax2]

lol all of that-lies. my sex drive is fine,thank you,and this is a vegan link this is a vegan link and this is a vegan link read the comments I've already made,i'm getting tired

[abundantlyrich]

good for you :)

[xzinax2]

having a closed mind is nothing to be proud of

[abundantlyrich]

black kid - do you know lots of vegan people? I tried it before. Not for me. It could work if one started it as a child or if that person has health issues or their intestines shortened...

[blackkid2]

Are you using yourself as the source for your conclusion? Nothing is wrong with Veganism not working for you, that's fine, but I have yet to ever see anything both with my eyes in vegans I know or in data of any sort that suggests the symptoms are prevalent solely to Vegan diets.

[xzinax2]

lol short intestines are a mark of carnivores,we have long intestines BECAUSE we're vegan

[abundantlyrich]

Not really. I know some vegans myself. They're always low on physical energy. Not to mention forgetful. I come from a family of heavy meat eaters... so definitely does not work for me genetically. My body craves meat badly

[abundantlyrich]

shortened intestines from operations

[xzinax2]

''shortened intestines from operations'' what does that have to do with veganism *facepalm* and there is no human genetic need for meat.

[abundantlyrich]

They can't process/digest meat. They'll start pooping right away. Happened to my friend.

[xzinax2]

but long intestines aren't suited for meat-they're a sign of herbivores-the human body isn't suited for meat

[abundantlyrich]

To each and their own.

[blackkid2]

I wouldn't base the data on a small sample of people. It isn't the case for most Vegan people and furthermore we don't know their diets if they have any deficiencies, how long they've been vegan, and/or any medical problems they may have. That's why I'm reluctant to bring in my own people as examples; one is a bodybuilder. He's pretty strong. Obviously this counters your decrepit person.

[abundantlyrich]

blackkid2: Fair. What is he eating to build fat?

[abundantlyrich]

I don't know a successful vegan in real life (keeping it real for their cause and not having problems).

[xzinax2]

hi,i'm zina,i'm vegan and have had absolutely no problems,i'm real,like most vegans.

[blackkid2]

He carbloads. So just breads and pastas.

[abundantlyrich]

hmm.. does he catch flu once a year?

[blackkid2]

lol, no. Why would he?

[abundantlyrich]

Just asking! 'cos when I used to eat wheat based foods, (it built up more bacteria growth in my body), I get flu or sick once a year, many moons ago. I have been flu free after eliminating it in my diet.

[blackkid2]

Ah, I see. My that sounds terrible; I'm happy you found the source and recovered then! There is nothing worse than being ill from trying to be healthy.

[Anonymous]

I mean this with no offense intended but Vegans are just self righteous. Been a vegetarian is healthy but being a Vegan is just stupid. So you don't want anything to do with animals, clothes, food, ride etc But this is impossible in the world we live today. There will always be animals used to test things because this is how we get advanced. If you don't wear wool then don't visit an hospital when sick because 95% of things there are animal tested and what is the contrary? Human testing?

Dont get me started with PETA. They killed more than 29000 animals between 1998 and 2002 and also 45% of money raised by the organization goes to private investors.

Humans are the Apex Predators for a reason and it isn't by choice either. If you are a vegan that's fine and I do respect your choice but please just don't protest, respect other peoples choices.

[xzinax2]

-peta aren't supported by any vegan who has done their research-don't mention them.

-animal testing is only used to protect them under the law,animal testing doesn't insure the product is safe for humans

-veganism is healthy,look at cultures where it's rare to consume any type of animal products

-we're herbivores,we're just also sick

[blackkid2]

Why did PeTa kill the animals?

[xzinax2]

they didn't get adopted

[blackkid2]

Poor PeTa. Poor universe. It is a good thing that PeTa is not Vegan and has nothing to do with Veganism ( which varies because not all vegans are against wearing wool though quite a few are if they are for Ethical reasons relating to treatment instead of just ingestion ) but it is still sad that PeTa is forced to obliterate tiny animals.

[xzinax2]

they weren't forced to do anything,that's like rounding up orphans and killing them for not being adopted. they're supposed to be caring for them,god knows they make enough money

[blackkid2]

PeTA has it's reasons. They don't have to be good. Maybe they lack volunteers and assets. I don't know I feel kind of bad for not knowing. I should know PeTA. I SHOULD KNOW.

Naptime.

[xzinax2]

if they have the assets for fat shaming objectifying ads,they have money for saving animals-which is what they're supposed to be doing

[Opinion Owner]

Peta is an idea of veganism.

Some animals skin composition are the closes to humans. e.g. Pigs skins are the closest to human skins then they used during trauma training. Also have you heard of the cow with a hole in its side? It is used for several biological processes.

A true vegan abstains from associated philosophy that rejects the commodity status of sentient animals.

Been a vegetarian is healthy,

And only religions practices Veganism no traditional culture does.

[xzinax2]

-peta were an idea,they became a corporation

-synthetic skin has been made for testing

-most of asia aren't vegans,but simply don't eat a lot of animal products because of what used to be available,and now because they're more focused on health and tradition than westerners

[Opinion Owner]

You are right about Peta being a cooperation now. They do get on my nerves with their 20mins long commercial and chick-fil-a rant!

I wish people would used more synthetic materials for testing but due to the inexpensiveness of pigs,it is cheaper to use pigs.

In most developing countries, they don't care about being a vegan or what not. It is all about what they can find to eat for the night. A starving family in china wouldn't care about vegetables or meat. Some guy just kill his children to eat

[xzinax2]

that's what I said-they don't even care about being vegan,but are by dietary habits-and they have longer lifespans and less illnesses

[confugirl]

I could maybe be vegetarian, but never vegan. I tried making veggies and fruits taste good on their own, added beans and seeds and whatnot, it was disgustingly bland to me. Even when eating a salad with a dressing containing dairy products, I missed the taste of chicken. So no, too bland and boring to me.

[xzinax2]

you just didn't cook the right stuff ,i never eat salads link link

[confugirl]

No one likes vegans because of people like you. Go away

[xzinax2]

seriously? I just gave you a link because you complained,and I'm the mean one?

[confugirl]

You're being an annoying spammer. Shoo

[Anonymous]

The diet is not healthier, quite the opposite. If you are not extremely careful with your diet and supplements, you'll get sick.

If you're worried about how they treat animals, you can purchase the expensive food. Meat from cows who grow up in open farms, eggs from hens that live free in open farms, and so on. Even if it is much more expensive, you don't need to eat that much meat and animal products to be healthy. Almost anyone can afford it.

As for the spiritual reason, I won't get into that. Those are very personal reasons and I'm in no position to criticize them.

But you missed the strongest and, in my opinion, only valid reason: efficiency. Feeding from other animals is extremely inefficient, the food needed to produce enough veal to feed you one day, can feed you for weeks. In ancient times a full vegan diet would be impossible, but nowadays we have the necessary domestic and GMO plants to feed exclusively from them.

[Anonymous]

I would not consider it because odd the various vitamin deficiencies you can get from it. Just the fact that you have to take vitamin fortified foods or supplements proves that being pure vegan is not natural.

[xzinax2]

he only missing one is b12,it comes from bacteria,we used to get it through the ground that would be on plants,but we eat washed foods now.

[Opinion Owner]

B12 is very important. I'm not eating feces infested plants, are you? Many vegans report low calcium rates as well.

[xzinax2]

low calcium is just because of poor diet,not veganism please read this link

[blackkid2]

Where did you get the information that Calcium is missing?

[xzinax2]

and we get b12 from supplements,like everyone should,you'll have to take them after 50 anyway. and how is a feces,bacteria infested gut better than a plant?

[Opinion Owner]

No offense against you personally, but I will look into it myself I assure you, I just don't trust that source. That vegans report low levels of calcium and b12 is not a mystery. A vegan diet requires the person to know exactly what foods to eat to achieve proper levels of nutrition. The problem is uneducated vegans that neglect to eat certain foods or neglect to take their supplements or neglect to drink their soy milk or other vitamin fortified foods, that paves the way for vitamin deficiency.

[Opinion Owner]

I'm not getting your feces bacteria gut thing.

[xzinax2]

look into it,that's the point. every diet requires knowledge to work.

[blackkid2]

Calcium fortified OJ and dark greens provide calcium. It isn't that I'm saying you're wrong but I just have a strong reason to doubt you. There's many options with the proper calcium amount and enzymes.

[blackkid2]

BUT YOU''RE NOT TALKING TO ME! T_T Goodbye hijacked thread...

[xzinax2]

gut-if you feel alright with eating a corpse that eats sh*t with it's plants,why not cut out the middleman? the one getting killed.

[xzinax2]

lol I'll leave,they're yours

[Opinion Owner]

QA go look it up, the info is not hard to find at all.

Humans should not have to look into it. A vegan diet is highly methodical and in the process of trying to eat healthier, you overcomplicate the eating process.

[blackkid2]

No, stay, their questions are you to. I'll go do something good for others.

[Opinion Owner]

Because I enjoy meat.

[blackkid2]

I have looked it up. The usual deficiencies involve various things, but meat isn't a strong source of calcium, so the argument has never made sense. At least from a dietary point of view.

[xzinax2]

QA:lol okay,leave me to be the pushy vegan

WE over complicate it? have you seen what it takes to make meat? you're destroying the planet,denying food to third world countries,and killing beings for an unhealthy 20 minute meal that will kill you prematurely! you don't have to be methodical as a vegan,you just eat a lot and make sure you get a supplement and eat enough protein daily-like every diet

[Opinion Owner]

They lack other things that prevent them from proper calcium absorption. That and maybe other reasons I haven't looked into.

[xzinax2]

lol milk and meat make your blood acidic which depletes you of calcium.

[Opinion Owner]

I don't subscribe to hippie propaganda, I'll look into it properly.

[xzinax2]

look into it,i'm not pulling this out of my ass.

[xzinax2]

it's basic chemistry really.

[Opinion Owner]

I will.

[yaddayaddayadda02]

I would never consider it. I can't wrap my head around the inconsistency.

[xzinax2]

i'm willing to explain any inconsistency-just ask

[yaddayaddayadda02]

There's nothing to explain. Vegans worry about exploiting a bee for honey, but not exploiting an illegal Mexican human being who picks their vegetables. I've figured it out ok.

[xzinax2]

of course we care,caring about one specie doesn't mean you can't care for another-killing animals doesn't help Mexicans-if anything if people were vegan they'd care more about where their vegetables come from,just like we care where meat comes from-what are you doing to help Mexicans? at least we're helping animals

[yaddayaddayadda02]

As I said, I'd never consider it.

[xzinax2]

okay,but why?

[yaddayaddayadda02]

Because meat is f***ing delicious.

[blackkid2]

Behave... @_@

[xzinax2]

being annoyed by vegans,feeling attacked-isn't a reason for you not to think about what you do.

THE THREE STAGES OF TRUTH

1. RIDICULE

2. VIOLENT OPPOSITION

3. ACCEPTANCE

[yaddayaddayadda02]

Sweetie, I have no desire to debate veganism with you or anyone. I refuse to stop eating meat. That's the end of it.

[blackkid2]

Which is fine but there's no "inconsistency" to any given cause related to Veganism. Don't lie to prove a point. It's bad for everyone.

[yaddayaddayadda02]

I think it's inconsistent to worry about the welfare of animals but not the welfare of the humans that pick the vegetables. It's not a lie, it's my opinion. If you don't like my opinion, that's another issue.

[xzinax2]

but I've already explained the welfare issue,what's your excuse now?

[blackkid2]

It's inconsistent to be on GAG instead of feeding the hungry at your local shelter and talk about being a "decent person". Let's play this game elsewhere.

[yaddayaddayadda02]

Then maybe you ought to shut down your computer.

[xzinax2]

okay now you're just spewing bullsh*t,so I'd say you're at stage 2. of acceptance. I give money to the homeless,i give them food and I give them necessities-that doesn't mean I can't care about animals. we're all living beings.

[blackkid2]

I'm not the one talking about inconsistencies. I wish you were more clever.

[yaddayaddayadda02]

Since neither of you know what I do or don't do to help others in my private life, you're doing nothing more than pushing your agenda. Where I'm content to let you vegans eat what you want, I expect the same in return. This has run its course.

[Buffalo]

wow, so this is what you get for answering your question? we get vegan propagandists demanding we switch?

[xzinax2]

the only thing I want is a good argument against veganism. I just want people to know what they're doing.

[yaddayaddayadda02]

Here's your good argument, I AM A FREE HUMAN BEING WHO CHOOSES TO DO WHAT I WANT. I eat meat because it's delicious. Unlike how vegans try to push an agenda on other people, I have no desire to change what you do or do not eat.

[blackkid2]

I''ve posted no propaganda. I'm also not judging anyone and what they do or don't do in their private lives; I do not care what you do for your fellow man but why is that people insist on lying to prove their points? You see, it isn't a problem that he isn't vegan, that's fine by me at least, but to say that being vegan inherently has "inconsistencies" is an outright lie. The man has no integrity here.

[blackkid2]

Fools are fools.

[xzinax2]

exactly. I just try to spread the truth because I know how many people go vegan when they hear the truth. eating meat isn't a personal choice,it's a product of ignorance,murder and brainwashing. I'm not blaming you,it's those who profit from lying to people I blame

[Buffalo]

so we are ignorant for not being vegan?

[xzinax2]

no,because you don't investigate your food yet make judgments and think you're right because the industries are brainwashing you

[blackkid2]

No. You would be ignorant if you were spouting false nonsense however. For instance statements such as "Vegans have no energy" when most of the energy humans receive from food comes from vegan-friendly foods such as carbohydrates and vitamins. Mean doesn't provide you with energy. If you eat only meat you will run out of energy actually.

[yaddayaddayadda02]

This thread is getting foolish.

[Buffalo]

and how do we know you are the ones trying to brainwash people?

[xzinax2]

we're not making money off of it,we don't get anything except the lives of others. the meat,egg,milk industries get your money.

[Buffalo]

starting to sound like a religious cult now. some of them don't make money either, yet they want you to convert to them

[blackkid2]

If you want some dietary sources that's no problem. My information and knowledge is purely medical. I know absolutely nothing of the ethical side of the movement. I guess that means you're not really talking to me. No one ever does.

[xzinax2]

lol,talk to him a bit,he's feeling left out. I'll just say,please watch earthlings.-it's free.

[CorneliaisPretty]

i'm french. it's already hard enough being a vegetarian when I go back to visit, but a vegan? I would starvee

[blackkid2]

I saw that movie. Don't drink the water!

[CorneliaisPretty]

lol I don't know what movie your talking bout

[blackkid2]

That makes sense. Nevermind. :(

[LastGirlScout]

Just to keep your post alive I shall comment! Ha! no, I wouldn't and I find vegans a bit annoying if truth be told. I was vegetarian for about 12 years and I'm also lactose intolerant now so I have experience of not having both dairy and meat in my diet. I enjoy vegan and vegetarian food but I wouldn't choose to not have either of them in my diet.

[jeweliet]

Yes if I was given all the resources required. I am not a vegan because it is too expensive and I live with my family, so it makes it very difficult. I would love to be vegan as it is very healthy and the way humans were designed to eat. I would also lose weight easier lol

[Anonymous]

LOL. There's hardly any answers! Short and simple though: No, I've tried it for a few months before, but then I read some stories from sites like LetThemEatMeat and more stories from Ex-Vegans, and so I just went back to regular eating. Also, I really like not being on a restrictive diet anyway.

[lauramor]

I would, for the ethical treatment of animals, I have a good metabolism so far so I haven't really payed much attention to healthy diets.

[xzinax2]

link *just casually leaving some propaganda*

[Klaatu51]

I'm semi-Vegan I guess...i hate milk like hell. I will never drink it again for the rest of my life,it destroyed me! I don't like much red meat either...i eat mostly chicken

[Dandeus]

Veganism is not healthier. It's not what our bodies evolved to be. There's a reason vegans require supplements to be healthy. Veganism is purely about politics and ethics, which I don't support or agree with. So no, I wouldn't do it.

[Hyped_up_on_coffee]

Not really I like eating milk and cheese and meat , I just try to not eat them a lot

[laragee]

As a vegan you would never get enough protein in, resulting in muscle loss/ no chance of muscle gain. I live a very active lifestyle and wouldn't ever consider veganism.

[bubbletrouble]

I might can manage being a vegetarian for up to a year but not a vegan. Animal products are in everything.

[asianfreak]

No, I tried it out for 3 or 4 days, and after that, I wanted some meat. It's unsustainable for me in the long run.

[WhaChaChaKing]

I could consider being a vegetarian because I love animals and all but never veganism.