What's your solution for Israel and Palestine?

[Toad-1]

If you were in charge of coming up with a solution for them what would you come up with?

[Belgie]

There is none at the moment, because Israel is "winning" and has the majority of what it wants, and the Palestinians have too much impotent rage and nowhere near enough bargaining power, so neither side has anything to gain by negotiating for peace in good faith.

The first step towards a solution? Convincing Israel that in order to have peace they will HAVE to give up some things. (And good luck convincing them of that. The world can't even convince them to obey international law.)

The second step? Dismantling the rage on the Palestinian side and convincing them that it *doesn't* *matter* what atrocities they suffered under, there will NEVER be revenge or justice for it, or reparations. They just need to forgive and move past it. (Again, good luck convincing the families of the murdered about that.)

The third step, finding a group that is trusted by both parties to make fair decisions with the precondition from both sides that the arbitrators word is FINAL. Again, good luck with that, because Israel will only trust America and the Palestinians will practically trust anyone except America.

The fourth step, break the region down into tiny segments like squares on a board. Each side picks a segment, one at a time. Two rules. Their first segment can be anywhere. Then every choice after the first must be adjacent to an existing acquired segment. This forces both sides to slowly acquire and plan the areas that they *most* want, in the order they most want. It can mathematically be shown to be the fairest dividing strategy, and is basically a more complicated form of "You cut it into two, but I pick which bit I want".

[tyber1]

I'm so glad that someone understands how things really are

[NearlyNapping]

Stay out of it and let them fight it out. I would not lift a finger to help either side.

If I MUST do something, I'd look at it this way. Israel was formed with the backing of a bunch of countries. They were formed in a place where they were surrounded by enemies. To my knowledge, none of the surrounding countries backed the formation of Israel. So it was trouble from the start.

But whether it was a good idea or not, I think the countries that backed the formation of Israel have an obligation to defend them... as long as they stay within the original borders. My solution would be to get a coalition of the original supporters, and tell both sides that the original border is the final border, and if either side violates that border they will have their ass kicked very badly.

But I'd much rather just stay the hell out of it and let them fight it out.

[vishna]

Hmm, I can't pretend like I've taken history courses on the conflict. But I do get the gist. I think stopping settlements on Palestinian land is a must. And eliminating terrorist/violence promoting organizations on both sides is also a must.

Also, I'm not religious, and I don't let deeds/promises from gods written in books thousands of years old apply to every person who is of a certain religion/ethnic group. It makes 0 sense how people actually use that as a real argument. I mean, ok, sure I guess if you're religious it makes sense, but religion and politics should be separate unless the government is trying to ban a religion (in which case, bringing up religion would be ok)

[Ghassan2]

The thing is, Jews all of a sudden claim that Palestine is theirs, and they have been terrorizing Muslims there for over 80 years now , and all people can think of is the 1% of killing done in America which was by Muslims.

[DaniaMQ]

first thing is start doing neighborhoods with both Jews and Muslims. Palestinians and Israelis. When they see that there's no need for hate then things will be great. And, second thing, get rid of the borders that separate everyone. And stop with the "This land is ours" thing. We all live on this earth, there's no mine and yours. Those who go against making peace, who assault, who use violence or whatever, will be punished. I don't know how, put I don't mean punished as like killed or tortured, jail maybe, depending on what they did, or obligate them to socialize with those who he/she hates. Until they see that there's no need to hate them. Of course the others must treat him well

[nalaa]

I'm with your president. I'm fine with whatever both parties can agree on. I'm happy with the one they like the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPNoZDzYjp8

Seriously tho, I AM like Trump I look at two state and one state and no one of it matters to me.
I don't know why it's so hard for them to come up with a solution that both can live with. If I was in charge, they'd be one secular state

[BlueCoyote]

Both parties (but especially the Israelis) believe all the land belongs only to them and they believe that religious scriptures legitimize their greed. It's like me saying "your house actually belongs to me and I can prove it. Look, my holy book clearly says that your house has always been mine." You can't have a constructive discussion with such a person.
That's why it's not that easy.

[HaveQuestions]

Just wanted to add this, because it goes back further than 1947. Here's a kinda cool timeline: www.google.com/.../promises-timeline.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjw2K69vazSAhXkxVQKHTvsBqUQFghlMA0&usg=AFQjCNGJ6qdf05rDnNVlrn7qE72CPMOA6g&sig2=aUeYMuBubF64jBWJM4f1wQ

[BlueCoyote]

Israel and Palestine need a two-state solution on the basis of where the borders were in 1967. The ultra-nationalist crybabies in Israel may not like this plan but it's the only objectively fair and balanced solution there is.

[MarkRet]

There could have been a peacefull solution in 1947, but the Arabs rejected it, started a war to wipe out the Israelis, and they've been getting their asses kicked ever since. Every time they start a war on Israel, they lose even more of what they have. The Palestinians should consider themselves lucky the Israelis don't just obliterate them. Israel is actually now entitled to all that territory, due to the Arabs being such shitheads. The Palestinians (and the Arabs in general) could have had a REALLY good deal in 1947, and they flushed it down the toilet.

[SomeGuy37]

How can there be a mutually satisfying solution between two groups that are so Diametrically opposite? Building walls hasn't helped. Laws, and restrictions make things worse.
How can you come to a peaceful solution, living in close proximity, to someone that 'Stole your land' or that 'Just wants to kill you because of your religion'?
By the Gods, if someone could come up with a REAL, functional solution, that both could accept, that one would truly be WORTHY of the Nobel Prize, and perhaps even 'Sainthood' in the Christian Church!!
At this point, it is really a question of which conflict destroys us!! The Israeli/Palestinian thing, the India/Pakistan thing, or the North Korea/South Korea/China thing!!

[qdoek]

The wall has reduced the terrorism attacks in Israel by 99℅. In that sense, it was a great thing to do

[SomeGuy37]

@qdoek But they are digging under it, and still bombing! Or are my Jewish friends lying?

[qdoek]

And if those terror attacks where there, Israel would be even less likely to pull out of the Westbank and probably have waged more wars.

[qdoek]

It is a different wall you are talking about, the one at Gaza. Israel has got Iron Dome and iron beam which makes Hamas' rockets irrelevant and Israel is building an underground wall to destroy the tunnels.

As for the wall in the Westbank, It has worked magnificently. It reduced terrorist attacks by 99℅. I thought you were talking about that one as that is the most controversial.

[SomeGuy37]

@qdoek I'm not sure of anything!! I know a few Jewish people, and a few Arabs, and so on, and so on!! I HATE that my friends HATE each other, and I don't really understand why!!
I can only go out with certain ones, and to certain places!! I understand Kosher, and Halal, and we go to different places, but the food is similar.
I think, ultimately, that if there is a SOLUTION, it is finding the COMMON THINGS, maybe with a 'mediator' and find a way to accept our 'different' 'similarities'!!!

[qdoek]

Problem is that Arabs and Muslims (I know I'm generalising but research backs me up) are generally quite anti-semitic which results in Jews disliking them. This anti-semitism is usually from their parents, problem is thus with the parents.

[SomeGuy37]

@qdoek I agree. There is a lot of hatred on both sides. We faced something similar, in the US, causing the civil War. Afterward, it took many years, then more. Even now, 150 years later, many still feel that there is 'bias' and 'Racism'. I think some have a legitimate point, but angry riots, protests that close down highways, and public access, doesn't help their cause!
Some of my friends have compared the Israel/Palestinian issue to something like the Illegal Immigrants from Mexico, coming into the US.
Most are good people, and just want to work, and earn money, to raise families. Sadly, some others seem to use that as a route in, to cause trouble.
I can't say, for certain, as I don't know anything but what I have heard from friends on both sides!!
I HATE being in the middle, liking all of them, on opposite sides!!
Hasn't this dispute, between the Israelis and the Palestinians been going on since, well, since people started recording things?

[qdoek]

This dispute has started in 1967 when Israel attacked Jordan and captured the Westbank.

[SomeGuy37]

@qdoek I think it started before that, when the UN made Israel a nation in 1948. I think that was the start of it. The 'Outside World' made a 'Jewish Nation' in Arab land (what one of my Lebanese friends said). I don't know if it is right, or not, just what a friend said.
Then, a Jewish friend, later, said that GOD gave them that land.
I'm confused!!
I kind of just wish I could get all of them together, and just go out, for CHINESE FOOD!!! NEUTRAL, and be FRIENDS, rather than being between all their disagreements with each other!

[qdoek]

Okay, the dispute between the Palestinians and Israel in 1967 and between other Arab nations and Israel in 1948. The UN did not create Israel though, they offered a solution but the Arabs rejected it and war followed. Arabs lost the war and Israel was born.

I do agree with your last statement but the hatred from the Arabs to Israel is unbelievable thus that will not happen. Israelis constantly have to protect themselves in war to save themselves from annihilation which ofcourse results in mutual hatred.

[Iraqveteran666]

@qdoek the Arabs rejected it and attacked the Jewish land wanting to kill every man woman and child but the brave Jews fought hard and their attackers fled forfeiting their lands.

[TadCurious]

I would tell the Palestinians that if they want a solution they have to acknowledge Israel's right to exist and stop paying bounties to the families of suicide bombers and other terrorists. It's up to the Palestinians. They rejected the two state plan put forth at Camp David during the last part of the Bill Clinton administration. And when they did they launched the intifada. They will also have to remove Hamas from power in Gaza because Hamas periodically likes to start launching missiles aimed at civilian areas in Israel. It's hard to have peace when terrorists are launching missiles at civilians.

[MementoMori_]

I would tell Israel to TAKE MORE LAND. No matter what Israel gives up, the world will side against them. They will have to defend themselves in perpetuity. If they give anything up, then the world will demand they give MORE up even after a deal has already been made. They won't be satisfied until Israel ceases to exist. So why bother trying to compromise. Don't give up ANYTHING. TAKE MORE LAND! The more land they take, the safer they will be.

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[Kuraj]

Force Palestinians out so their muslim neighbors take them in.
But the funny thing is, not even their muslim neighbors want to take them in, because no matter how much of a genocide they wish against Israel, they still don't want to make it look like THEIR country should be considered home for the Palestinians either.
Because deep down their Arab brethren know that Palestinians are just trouble, they will pretend to hate Israel but they lowkey wish them to destroy Hamas and the resistance because they already got enough problems of their own.
Ironic isn't it.

[nalaa]

Well I don't think it's that other arab countries think Palestinians are trouble. With the notable exception of Jordan and Lebanon most arab countries in the area haven't been taking in Syrians either. Not a notabled amount anyway and especially not the filthy rich countries in the region like Saudi Arabai, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait... They just don't seem to think it's their job

[ObscuredBeyond]

Nuke the Kaaba, discredit Hamas once and for all, exterminate their pedo rings, open Alaska for drilling, put Saudi Arabia in the poor house, and let Israel clean up the garbage. Israel will simply continue to be. It's the Arab invader criminals who choose to be at war with it. Many Arabs refuse to be radicalized, and live in peace as Israelis. Let the ones who insist on death to Israel join Amalek on the ash heap of history.

[rainD]

why not just think this over with an animal in example:
what would happen if a mountain had 2 tigers. at least 1 of them must die.

but humans even with proper consciousness, would think like an animal, just like 2 tigers.
but 2 turtles would never fight one another, so unless they can become turtles, there won't be end for their issues unless one is dead...

[AleDeEurope]

It should stay as it is. Israel belongs to the Jews, so let them keep that area, but they gotta stop expanding and building settlements in Palestinian areas.
The Palestinians should stay where they are, and stop using kids as shields. Stop attacking Israel.

[llorando]

Before a solution can be made, the US must become even handed first in the situation instead of highly favoring Israel over Palestine. My solution would be would be to sit down with the leaders of Israel and Palestine and work on agreeing to a compromise, the compromise would consist of Israel controlling a certain amount of land, Palestine controlling a certain amount of land and Israel and Palestine co controlling religious sites.

[Marinepilot]

Sit down, cut a workable deal for both sides. Shake hands,
And each side keeps their word. However, I'm way more
sympathetic to the Palestinians as they got fucked royally
with the creation of Israel. Also, as obnoxious and arrogant
as the Jews tend to be, they bring on the persecution they endure.
And they deserve it.

[Phoenix98]

Eventually they will come to a peace agreement but that won't happen for at least roughly 4-10 years after that the real war will begin.

In the meantime Israel will just fight against Palestine and vice versa and there is nothing anyone can do about that.

[qdoek]

A two state solution would be the closest to relative peace. It will never be completely peaceful, the Palestinians do not and will never accept the existence of Israel. Therefore there will always be terrorist attacks, fights, wars in Gaza and such. We don't even know what would happen to the Westbank if Israel leaves. There could be a struggle for power between Hamas and the PLO.

[qdoek]

Knowing that an independent Palestinian state is doomed to fail, it could be that they are just going to blame Israel, like the Arabs usually do, and start attacking Israelis once again.

[suckitbe]

Well, my first answer would be exodus of the Arab muslims, but that would just create refugee camps, Saudi maddrassas and taliban style fanatics, but since the status quo can only lead to international condemnation and the arabs breeding until it's a veritable South Africa situation is begin putting sterilization drugs in their water supply. Along with assasination of their leaders and infiltration of Israeli agents. They're animals anyway

[ISaythereaint]

completely obliterate Palestine. after all, l isreal contributes more. One side has to win, otherwise theyll keep fighting. At least the rest of the world can get along with isreal as a trading partner (sorta like what was done in Sri Lanka to end the war). The society is simply more developed, although they are biased. ) Sad, but one side has to win.

[ISaythereaint]

I know, life isn't fair. But lets face it, despite those pretty fairytails we hear growing up, reality doesn't have clear good and bad guys. Life isn't fair. Sacrifice now so that peace will be accomplished in the long term. Absorb and help those who leave on their own.

[ISaythereaint]

Someone has to be the bad guy, and end the war completely.
Its cause they are behaving and listening to the UN that the war isn't ending.
They are making it look like war is something that can be talked out.
Kill those stubborn leaders as well.

[ISaythereaint]

Secretly, of course. Its clear now that these old men will start wars, and send young people to fight them.

[ISaythereaint]

The old will cultivate hate in the young.

[Blitzkrieger]

There is no possible solution. The jews think they are gods chosen people and muslims believe they have the most updated and complete faith. Both of them have aspects not unlike supremacy. To break down their dogma is to forsake their faith. They will continue fighting until either side has underwent a complete genocide.

[TripleAce]

Force everyone to interbreed and mix up the DNA so much that there is no Israel and Palestine anymore

It's now Ispalestine
Deal with it, now what... Lets all sing kumbaya and call it a day

[tyber1]

Assuming I had the power to do so, I'd cut the country in two and threaten to attack them both if they can't sustain the peace on my terms.

[Tarvold]

Trade sanctions on Israel until they get back within their borders. After a year, if they still don't withdraw the settlements, then drone strike the settlements.

Drone strikes on any Palestinians attacking Israel in the mean time.

[TiffyPuff]

They're always going to be killing each other, so I say just don't get involved unless one of them is going to cause a nuclear war.