@Iraqveteran666 it does not. Even pretending it was taken whole by war is wrong. It is disputed territory.
In my one state theory ideally Jerusalem belongs to no country or religion. It can be set up as independent like the Vatican except any all all religions that want to make claim to it may have a temple there.
There has never in the history of the world been any nation named Palestine. So how could a nation that never existed have any borders or sovereign rights?
The imaginary nation of "Palestine" had no currency, no language and no government. Why? Because it's about as real as unicorns and the Lost city of Atlantis.
@MementoMori_ They had a currency, a language, a government, a religion and borders too. They have been terrorized for over 80 or 90 years now. Even if what you said is right, what's your point? It was a land of Arabs and Jews decided it's theirs.
@MementoMori_ They have the Jordanian Dinar and the Egyptian Pound. I don't remember where I read it, but it's well known by most Arabs. Even though what's the point, what gives Jews the right to terrorize them for nearly a century?
"It was a land of Arabs and Jews decided it's theirs."
That is false. It was a no-mans land prior to 1947 which in part was owned by Egypt but mostly not owned by anyone because no one wanted it. It was a useless barren wasteland of nomads before the Israeli's made it into an oasis in the dessert and one of the most productive and desirable pieces of land in the Middle East. Even if you don't want to believe in the Bible and that God promised this land to the Jews, there are plenty of other reasons why they Jews have a legitimate claim. The Jews have had a continuous presence on there since Biblical times even after they were driven out in the Exodus, they legally purchased large tracts of the land from their Arab owners, they were legally granted a large part of the current Israel by a duly recognized and authorized international body of law and they acquired the rest by pushing back when they were illegally attacked by surrounding Muslim countries multiple times in a defensive war.
Baloney. Give your sources. You are making it up as you go. In 1947 United Nations Resolution 181 legally granted a large portion of today's Israel to the Jewish people and established the legal nation of Israel. Israel was then immediately attacked by 7 surrounding barbaric Muslim countries in an illegal war of aggression against Israel. Since then these countries have ganged up on Israel and attacked it several other times each time losing the wars even though they outnumbered the Israelis by at least 100 to one. No one even wanted the land Israel acquired before the Israelis turned the useless dessert there into a beautiful country. They bought a lot of that land for nothing from Arabs who owned it because it was worthless when the Israelis acquired it. Now that the Israelis turned it into the most valuable real estate in the region the Muslims are trying to steal it from them. Bad news for these Muslim terrorists... NEVER AGAIN!
@MementoMori_ You're like the person who shuts his eyes and says I don't see what you're pointing at. If you simply google it you'll find your answer, but you only search for what you want justified. There are lots of evidence that what the Jews are doing is pure evil. Killing Palestinian civilians everyday isn't what should be happening and not what Israel have promised, as they said they aren't gonna kill civilians, but they actually do that on a daily basis. You don't want to find the truth you just want to justify what you believe is right. Good luck with that.
1-More than five million Palestinian refugees must return to their former homes. 2-Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews "settlers" must go back to central and eastern Europe. Problem solved.
@Iraqveteran666 what gets me is their Muslim brothers expect Israel to accommodate them but they do nothing to help them at all. Egypt keeps the border closed and doesn't want them either
And the Palestinians and neighbouring muslim peoples could drive them into the see like the first tried in 1948 when they first attacked the Israelis which resulted in the loss of Palestinian land.
@Iraqveteran666 they were welcomed at first. They became bad actors. Your country should have never placed them there in the first place. It osnttheor land. They can learn to get along or leave. No more of this recruiting more people to the area shit.
American and French citizens moving to Israel is absurd.
They already lived there. They have lived there for thousands of years the muslims were just another invader and oppressor. But yes the large numbers of Jews returning home helped matters. The Jews were giving a tiny piece of land to self govern that they lived in but the Arabs could not accept that because they wanted to dominate other people's just as they always have.
Actually it was the end of ww1 when the ottomans lost the holy land and most of the Middle East to the French and British. After ww2 to keep the peace Britain was preventing Jews from entering, that's why the Jews were launching terror attacks against them. The Jews of Palestine were instrumental in holding Palestine as a lot of Arabs in the middleeast were revolting and leaders were making deals with the Nazis. The soviets actually armed the Jews with Palestine often with excellent nazi equipment including bf109's while the Arabs used brittish equipment. The Jews of Palestine had a lot of well trained officers and men veterans of ww2 and serving with every allied army.
I hate to point fingers and that isn't the point. The point is the Israelis have no business there. There is no Israel. THERE IS NO ISRAEL.
I'll support them when they decide to do the right thing and end this apartheid state. I DON'T SUPPORT APATHEID. and even Ex Prime Ministers admit that is what they have created.
I'm not for either religion but I am for Human Rights. I simply can't support a state that doesn't allow for them. This is no different than South Africa and we must look it in the face for what it is.
There is no Palestine. There never was a PALESTINE!!! It's no apartheid the Palestinians have their country the Israelites have there's. The Palestinians lost their land through a war they started and genocide the attempted.
Technically Israel is already outnumbered from a military standpoint if Palestine under normal circumstances would crush Israel if it were any other nation on earth. But Palestine will never destroy Israel.
And technically that land has been Israel's long before Palestine was Palestine, Israel has been on that land since it was known as the land of Canaan.
Also Palestine had the chance to actually legally posses the land and make it part of Palestine but never did.
that is, Jews acknowledging Jesus as their Messiah and muslims of Palestine converting to Christianity. but i guess this will only happen in the End of Times with the return of Jesus
Burden of proof is on people who make a claim, in this case the claim is that God exists. But it's pretty obvious when you look at the polytheistic religions that came before that they had a different God for everything they couldn't explain. Monotheism just clumps them all together and whenever science does explain something religions backpedal and pretend they didn't have it wrong the whole time. God's paradise, the Earth, was placed smack dab in the center of the universe because it was just so special amirite?
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a TENT to dwell in
I love when religious nut jobs make it so easy to make themselves look like nut jobs, I barely have to make an argument at all. Just notch down another victory for the atheists.
It is extremely complicated. For example, Israel wants Jerusalem to never be divided again and they will not negotiate peace if the Palestinians don't accept that. Palestinians want Jerusalem as capital and have other demands which Israel does not like. Then we have the case of right of the area and other things.
What Girls & Guys Said
Opinion
44Opinion
Well, I would have kick everybody outta of Jerusalem and turned the town into history industry... No residences there anymore and keep peace!
Punish Palestina for every bomb they launch and punish Israel for every time they're invate and anexate parts of Palestina.
Palestine to leave the Jews alone or suffer consequence. Israel and Jerusalem belong to the Jewish people.
My solution is to leave it like it is. The Palestinians and Israelis deserve one another.
Just rearrange it. Divide Israel in two horizontally, the Jews take the part where Jerusalem is.
They have no right to it.
@sjoes006 they have the only right. Just like Constantinople belongs to the Greeks.
@sjoes006 then move them both to the edge of the Sahara and demolish the whole city once and for all. Everyone loses, which is equal.
@Iraqveteran666 it belongs to the Turks.
@sjoes006 just like Israel and Jerusalem belongs to the Jew. To the victors goes the spoils of war.
@Iraqveteran666 it does not. Even pretending it was taken whole by war is wrong. It is disputed territory.
In my one state theory ideally Jerusalem belongs to no country or religion. It can be set up as independent like the Vatican except any all all religions that want to make claim to it may have a temple there.
Dear Jews, get the fuck out and live in a new place, build a new country for yourself. Palestine was never theirs.
There has never in the history of the world been any nation named Palestine. So how could a nation that never existed have any borders or sovereign rights?
The imaginary nation of "Palestine" had no currency, no language and no government. Why? Because it's about as real as unicorns and the Lost city of Atlantis.
@MementoMori_ They had a currency, a language, a government, a religion and borders too. They have been terrorized for over 80 or 90 years now. Even if what you said is right, what's your point? It was a land of Arabs and Jews decided it's theirs.
@Ghassan2
Name the currency, describe the government... give your sources with documentation for both.
@MementoMori_ They have the Jordanian Dinar and the Egyptian Pound. I don't remember where I read it, but it's well known by most Arabs. Even though what's the point, what gives Jews the right to terrorize them for nearly a century?
"It was a land of Arabs and Jews decided it's theirs."
That is false. It was a no-mans land prior to 1947 which in part was owned by Egypt but mostly not owned by anyone because no one wanted it. It was a useless barren wasteland of nomads before the Israeli's made it into an oasis in the dessert and one of the most productive and desirable pieces of land in the Middle East. Even if you don't want to believe in the Bible and that God promised this land to the Jews, there are plenty of other reasons why they Jews have a legitimate claim. The Jews have had a continuous presence on there since Biblical times even after they were driven out in the Exodus, they legally purchased large tracts of the land from their Arab owners, they were legally granted a large part of the current Israel by a duly recognized and authorized international body of law and they acquired the rest by pushing back when they were illegally attacked by surrounding Muslim countries multiple times in a defensive war.
@MementoMori_ No, that's not the case, Jew gangs started to create temptation the war.
Baloney. Give your sources. You are making it up as you go. In 1947 United Nations Resolution 181 legally granted a large portion of today's Israel to the Jewish people and established the legal nation of Israel. Israel was then immediately attacked by 7 surrounding barbaric Muslim countries in an illegal war of aggression against Israel. Since then these countries have ganged up on Israel and attacked it several other times each time losing the wars even though they outnumbered the Israelis by at least 100 to one. No one even wanted the land Israel acquired before the Israelis turned the useless dessert there into a beautiful country. They bought a lot of that land for nothing from Arabs who owned it because it was worthless when the Israelis acquired it. Now that the Israelis turned it into the most valuable real estate in the region the Muslims are trying to steal it from them. Bad news for these Muslim terrorists... NEVER AGAIN!
@MementoMori_ You're like the person who shuts his eyes and says I don't see what you're pointing at. If you simply google it you'll find your answer, but you only search for what you want justified. There are lots of evidence that what the Jews are doing is pure evil. Killing Palestinian civilians everyday isn't what should be happening and not what Israel have promised, as they said they aren't gonna kill civilians, but they actually do that on a daily basis. You don't want to find the truth you just want to justify what you believe is right. Good luck with that.
Baloney. Your mind is polluted with false propaganda and you aren't interested in the facts. There is no point talking to you.
1-More than five million Palestinian refugees must return to their former homes.
2-Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews "settlers" must go back to central and eastern Europe.
Problem solved.
The Palestinians are Arab settlers who need to return to Arab lands
i'd clear everyone out and nuke it to prove gods are not real and people fighting over arid land is stupid
That'd be the ultimate trolling victory, a big middle finger to all religions. It's kinda beautiful in a horribly destructive and barbaric way.
Nuke Syria off the map then give it to the Palestinians
The other muslim. Countries won't let the Palestinians leave
@Iraqveteran666 what gets me is their Muslim brothers expect Israel to accommodate them but they do nothing to help them at all. Egypt keeps the border closed and doesn't want them either
give everything to the Israelis and kick the squatters out.👋👣👣👣
Kill every religious person on earth that will solve most of are problems
Or just kill every politician and destroy every government who uses religion do divide people.
Single state with equal citizenship. The Israelis would be out numbered.
And the Palestinians and neighbouring muslim peoples could drive them into the see like the first tried in 1948 when they first attacked the Israelis which resulted in the loss of Palestinian land.
@Iraqveteran666 they were welcomed at first. They became bad actors. Your country should have never placed them there in the first place. It osnttheor land. They can learn to get along or leave. No more of this recruiting more people to the area shit.
American and French citizens moving to Israel is absurd.
They already lived there. They have lived there for thousands of years the muslims were just another invader and oppressor. But yes the large numbers of Jews returning home helped matters. The Jews were giving a tiny piece of land to self govern that they lived in but the Arabs could not accept that because they wanted to dominate other people's just as they always have.
@Iraqveteran666 this is factually incorrect. The U. K. rehomed them to the area at the end of WW II
Actually it was the end of ww1 when the ottomans lost the holy land and most of the Middle East to the French and British. After ww2 to keep the peace Britain was preventing Jews from entering, that's why the Jews were launching terror attacks against them. The Jews of Palestine were instrumental in holding Palestine as a lot of Arabs in the middleeast were revolting and leaders were making deals with the Nazis. The soviets actually armed the Jews with Palestine often with excellent nazi equipment including bf109's while the Arabs used brittish equipment. The Jews of Palestine had a lot of well trained officers and men veterans of ww2 and serving with every allied army.
@Iraqveteran666 My bad. Britains reign of terror began In 1917.
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...-sins-in-Palestine.html
I hate to point fingers and that isn't the point. The point is the Israelis have no business there. There is no Israel. THERE IS NO ISRAEL.
I'll support them when they decide to do the right thing and end this apartheid state. I DON'T SUPPORT APATHEID. and even Ex Prime Ministers admit that is what they have created.
I'm not for either religion but I am for Human Rights. I simply can't support a state that doesn't allow for them. This is no different than South Africa and we must look it in the face for what it is.
There is no Palestine. There never was a PALESTINE!!! It's no apartheid the Palestinians have their country the Israelites have there's. The Palestinians lost their land through a war they started and genocide the attempted.
The only comparison to south Africa is of a people throwing off their oppressors and ruling themselves
Technically Israel is already outnumbered from a military standpoint if Palestine under normal circumstances would crush Israel if it were any other nation on earth. But Palestine will never destroy Israel.
And technically that land has been Israel's long before Palestine was Palestine, Israel has been on that land since it was known as the land of Canaan.
Also Palestine had the chance to actually legally posses the land and make it part of Palestine but never did.
making both of them Christian. that's the final solution that will bring peace to both of them
that is, Jews acknowledging Jesus as their Messiah and muslims of Palestine converting to Christianity. but i guess this will only happen in the End of Times with the return of Jesus
The UN proposed it in 1947 but self appointed 'Palestinians' never accepted it.
that is GODS special area
anyone coming against it gets shot in the head
Your God is a story people made up thousands of years ago because they didn't understand earthquakes, floods, weather, mental illness, germs, etc.
@tyber1
show me
Burden of proof is on people who make a claim, in this case the claim is that God exists. But it's pretty obvious when you look at the polytheistic religions that came before that they had a different God for everything they couldn't explain. Monotheism just clumps them all together and whenever science does explain something religions backpedal and pretend they didn't have it wrong the whole time. God's paradise, the Earth, was placed smack dab in the center of the universe because it was just so special amirite?
@tyber1
you are talking to the wrong believer im not like them
there is no universe
Job 37:18
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAcp3BFBYw4&t=2s
Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out
as a TENT to dwell in
you wanna trust these guys have fun bro
robschannel.com/.../NASA-deceive.jpg
www.youtube.com/watch
but I know the truth
"There is no universe"
https://imgur.com/a/FxwPX
I love when religious nut jobs make it so easy to make themselves look like nut jobs, I barely have to make an argument at all. Just notch down another victory for the atheists.
Remove uncle Sam from the stage and the problem will be solved, one way or the other.
Send the ones who want to kill one another to Antarctica and let them kill eachother off.
How long had they have this conflict?
since 1947
Damn...
1967, Israel took over the Westbank which Jordan previously illegally occupied. Israel also took over Gaza in a war with Egypt.
@qdoek That is just fucking insane man... this conflict needs to end somehow..
It is extremely complicated. For example, Israel wants Jerusalem to never be divided again and they will not negotiate peace if the Palestinians don't accept that. Palestinians want Jerusalem as capital and have other demands which Israel does not like. Then we have the case of right of the area and other things.
It's going to be solved soon!
The only solution is when God to intervened