The black pill is not a myth (For debating use not really a discussion for GAG)

[Number39]

People have the misconceptions about the black pill and that the black pill is incorrect saying that personality matters over looks but in this essay I will be debunking the idea that personality matters and that looks are the go to for dating to women. In this Mytake there will be a lot of video's to keep the text limited examples are better then a bunch of words.(This is for future references/debates)

LOOKS: Lets start off with looks In this part of the essay I will be showing you a few examples from real life and dating apps indicting that looks matter. Now i will be starting off with what women say that matters to them in this short video women explains what best attracts them.

During the video they give mostly the same answers which is confidence. REMEMBER TIME STAMPS( 1:44, and 1:47)

Confidence by Google's definition is "a feeling of self-assurance arising from one's appreciation of one's own abilities or qualities."

However when we take a look at shows such as Take me.....(Confidence)

To stand in front of a crowed and be judge by women takes a lot of nerve first off a lot of people have stage freight so my guy Johnny her had some level of confidence in him yet none of it seemed to better his chances as you can see he was instantly voted out because of his looks. Clearly confidence lost this one

Now lets see if looks does better

Do I need to explain why Looks mattered here? The guy hasn't said a word and every light stayed on but lets take this a step further.

Real life(experiments):

In the next video we will be taking a look at how women would rate a guy in person even if he knows he's ugly.

Some of the women in the video were very hesitant on judging his looks and this is mainly due to the fact that women fear judgement or retaliation in person so they are not often honest due to this you can actually tell by their voice.

Next attractive guy

I'm not even gonna explain this honestly.

To wrap this up lets take a look at a few charts from dating sites

Both these charts show the same exact thing which is women judge men far more harsher nothing else to say about this honestly

People(women and white knights) say the black pill is misogynistic and nihilistic just because it points out women nature but in modern day that's considered sexist as well but bottom line is that there is way to many studies showing the exact same out come and the first thing people jump to is the fact that a guy doesn't have the confidence or personality which is honestly said because now it has produced groups such as FA's (Forever alone), TFL (True forced loneliness) and Incels (Involuntary celibate). In all honest I won't be very long before people start to catch on to this.

Disclaimer: There is a whole lot more to the black pill this is just one of the more important parts of the black pill which is the looks. I'll leave you a video on the summary on this if your not interested in reading.

[englisc]

No shit, women like men who look attractive, just as men like attractive women. I'm not sure why this has to be explained with statistics.

The trouble with this also however is that you guys talk about this black pill and these statistics without taking other things into account, then you act like guys who struggle are doomed to fail.

The guy on take me out - why did he look like shit? He's not amazingly good looking, but he's also not hideously ugly. What made him look like shit was the fact that he was out of shape and dressed like a child, and was on a show where all of the women there were more much more attractive than he was. Had he hit the gym and dressed like a man instead he'd probably have gotten better results.

[Number39]

Well, a homeless guy manages to pull more women than he can you guys why?

[englisc]

I'm not sure what you mean by that?

[Number39]

There was a homeless guy explaining how he lives day to day apparently this guy sleeps with a bunch of women to get. You'd have to watch the video to understand I didn't list it here.

[englisc]

I just looked him up, he's not good looking. He's an out of shape drug addict. He gets laid because he has a ton of confidence and he has game. That's my point - put him on take me out, Tinder etc. He'd probably fail. In person things are completely different.

[Number39]

Game and confidence is a myth I'd appreciate it if we refrain from using those as there have been many times were it has failed also he may not look attractive to you per say but to a woman, he may be a dreamy guy.

[Number39]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKDlyjce-UM
Game as well?

[englisc]

Yes. The thing is when done right game works. I know because I was able to use it. I'm 5'4", in good shape but not amazingly looking, never had much money when I was single, still lived at home most of the time, yet I was able to get laid. The trouble is that many people teach it the wrong way, usually people who don't actually know what they're talking about just looking to make money selling bullshit products. That's why people think that game doesn't work. Then when it doesn't work they turn to this blackpill stuff and develop a defeatist mindset.

[Number39]

Well that's because there is really no proof of game working even if it did for you how many people in the world know for a fact it worked for you? They will see statistics like this that out matches game and confidence and begin to think that the black pill is correct and logically and statistically speaking it is especially when you pay attention to how women act around good looking men vs uglier men.

[englisc]

That's the trouble again with redpillers, blackpillers etc. Too much focus on numbers.

Everything is math - it's an autistic way of looking at it. If you're below X height, you have no chance. If you don't earn X amount of money, you have no chance. If you aren't an 8 in looks, you have no chance. 80% of this, 20% of that. Real relationships aren't based on math.

In order to think that way also, you have to ignore all evidence which contradicts the things you're saying. You spoke about the homeless guy, he's not good looking. But you have confirmation bias, so rather than admit that he isn't good looking, which is obvious if your eyes actually work, you say "well he must be if he gets laid a lot". To continue to cling to these ideas.

I have no proof that game worked for me, and you'll find no statistics anywhere. Again - not everything is based on statistics. Some things can't really be measured. The only proof I have is that it worked for me. But I also have no reason to lie to you, firstly because this is an anonymous site so bragging about my success is pointless, and secondly because I'm not selling anything. I have nothing to gain. The reason I mention this really is because knowing that it's possible to better your situation with game, I know that this defeatist mindset is wrong and that it holds guys like yourself back from success.

[bimmy5000]

I remember seeing that clip on take me out. No shit he was dropped like that, guy did a terrible job in how to present himself, first impressions are important!

[Number39]

@bimmy5000 Depends on how you look people are more forgiving depending on how attractive you are these even apply outside of dating

[Screenwriter]

You Do know that the Onion is sketch comedy paraded as "news." And that guy who came out on the first game show was sloppy, dressed like he couldn't put forth a little effort to appear neat and pulled together and THEN called the women bitches because they responded to his lackluster appearance. The next guy came out well dressed, smiling, energetic. On top of that he was well spoken and attractive. He and his sister were pals, he spent time with his granddad. He had lots of good qualities. It's not rocket science. Dress like a grown up, show some personality, smile, be warm.

[coachTanthony]

@englisc Couldn't agree more with your summation.

[gag12]

HE DOESN'T KNOW

he has never looked into black pill and red pill long enough to see the full scope
he didn't even know about the homeless guy who sleeps with a women every day to get by

[Number39]

@Screenwriter First off that none of that advice you wrote works other wise that graph would show a completely different change In all honestly if you are gonna feed me the same bs advice don't bother commenting please.

[Screenwriter]

From what I think I'm reading from the graph, it shows a smooth bell curve with men. They show the least interest in the most unattractive and the most attractive women with average and women on either side of average faring best. With women, however, it shows that about 80 percent of women were interested in the least attractive to the two bars next to the least attractive men. Men who fared the worst were the men who were most attractive in the bar graphs. I'm noy sure what the line graphs said... But the bar graphs contradict that the hottest men are what women chose... That's not MY bullshit. I say put yourself out there, be confident, a good conversationalist. You can't worry about who looks better than you. Someone always will. Some guy was complaining he only had 71 Tinder swipes when the good looking guys had 100s. 71 swipes equates to a date a week for more than a year. How is that not enough? Why compare yourself? All you can be is your best self. That's it. Be happy with that. You can choose to be miserable because someone else looks better or had more. But what good will that do. That's all I think its important.

[Shamalien]

@englisc thanks for bringing that up actually. I always seem to blank on game when it comes to this shit... the thing is that game is really good for bedding a chick yeah, but as far as holding on to them... and do you think it's true that smarter, more high quality women fall for game less? I think the real worry with black pillers isn't that they can't get laid, anybody can do that, it's that they don't see the point in investing in a relationship when some handsome guy with better game can just sweep her off her feet at any moment. I've always told these people, well, not all women are like that, but the older I get the more depressing it becomes... just look at em. You either play their stupid game or you don't, and I can't lower myself to that shit... the entire gender is brainwashed, some less than others, and those are the only hope I have, but the vast overwhelming majority of women in western civ today are a ticking time bomb and not worth anything more than a fuck, which is why they enjoy lots of that and little success in the LTR department. Just look at the fresh offspring hitting the streets... these kids are fucked from birth by their dysfunctional parents.

[crazy8000]

That only proves certain thing's that I already know about western females that is extremely unatractive for a potential partner.

(one of the reasons I many times prefer foreigners that has moved here)

[JSmuve]

I didn't watch the videos, but just wanted to point out that the OKcupid graphs tell more than you initially get at first glance. Right off the bat you see that men's rating of women's attractiveness is more normal while women's is heavily right-skewed suggesting that based off looks alone, guys are generally physically unattractive to women.

However, if you look at the messaging distribution, women's isn't all that dissimilar from their attractiveness distribution, meaning that they're messaging guys who they find physically unattractive. The majority of their messages goes to below average men, while the majority of men's messages goes to above average women. Clearly some of this is related to how attractiveness is distributed (i. e. larger groups will likely get a larger share of the messages), so if you normalize for the distribution in attractiveness, what you find out is women are upwards of about 3x as likely to message an unattractive guy compared to guys messaging an unattractive girl. So clearly looks don't factor in as much as it does for us, otherwise their messaging distribution should look like ours.

Inasmuch as the graphs shit all over women's perception of our physical attractiveness (at least based off of photos), I think the graphs also show how much personality comes into play for women vs men, and what we tend to prioritize.

[Number39]

The graphs so the complete truth what you are saying about women are "women are upwards of about 3x" It's not backed up by anything nor could I find anything that may confirm this as well I find it interesting that all these graphs so a similar result.

[ShadyLane]

Well you are half-right... I'm only speaking from experience with my statement, but myself, i'm generally seen as well above average on the physical attractiveness scale (height, facial structure, body type, eyes, etc.). I can pull women pretty easily on superficial dating apps like Tinder and Bumble, and gets tons of matches per-day, pretty much by playing to modern generational women's cookie-cutter personalities and interests.

However, this really only applies to sex / hookups. I am very introverted, socially awkward, the epitome of an INTP. Most of my interests don't line up with these women and we aren't really on the same "wave-length". I can get sex by faking a shadow personality, but a relationship, now that's something I have yet to master.

Looks will get me the girl, but how strange / eccentric I am will normally drive off the air headed ones in less than one night.

A Liberal Arts college student, Office watching, dog fanatic, can only take so much talk on the extensive arrangement and production of Pet Sounds for a few hours...

[UnicornLobotomy]

I used to troll women on dating sites when I was bored. Kind of because I stopped sleeping around and I wanted to actually find a quality mate, partly because I knew a thot when I saw one and just wanted to waste her time, maybe out of misplaced angst for getting screwed over in a divorce w/o actually breaking someone's heart, which I inevitably did two or three times. I didn't like doing that, so trolling was a harmless way to get that frustration out. ME: "damn gurl!!" Her Re: "what lol" ME: "That steering wheel is fucking cool yo!" Her: "what? r u you serious?" ME: "yeah, what u doin later" Her: "nothing" Me: "that's fucking badass, I'll meet you there then?" Her: "what" Her: "where" end of convo

[SirRexington]

Sure this is a general rule but people are more likely to date in their "category". Very rarely will you see an attractive woman with an ugly man, but it does happen. I've seen it. It's probably 1/100 couples. You're more likely to see a man with an ugly woman because men aren't as picky.

[Dongtai]

It all ties In together. Looks and personality. Nobody wants someone who only has good looks going for themselves and at the same time nobody wants to spend the rest of their life with someone they aren’t remotely sexually attracted to, unless that person doesn’t need sex to be happy in a relationship.

These labels; pills this, novels that. They’re meaningless. All they do is throw a veil over the people who claim/use them to avoid seeing their own personal flaws. It’s an excuse people use to avoid telling themselves “Ok. This is what I need to do in order to improve. “

It could be working out more, buying better clothing, just working to improve your physical appearance. Or maybe you aren’t socially confident and need to spend time talking to people more. Unless you’re handicapped or have some deformity, most people can improve their dating life if they put the work into themselves that they need.

Al of these labels are complete bs. They only apply to you if you let them

[Number39]

Well, tinder/ other online dating apps seem to contradict what you wrote and before you say tinder is online well it's not all that different from in person it's like a speed run for dating.

[Dongtai]

I’m not talking about online dating. That stuff is superficial. I’m talking about people in real life. Men boldly approaching women and charming them. Getting dates the old fashioned way. Tinder is literally built around looks. I’ve gotten way more dates by going up to women I see during the day versus using the internet. It’s easy to overlook someone if the essence of who they are can’t be felt. You filter that part for yourself online based on how you perceive a person physically. It’s not like that I’m real life. With online dating your brain filters what it can’t perceive accurately based on how you feel about a person’s looks. If you don’t think they’re attractive then you won’t perceive them the same way you would a person who’s attractive.

Basically online dating doesn’t create genuine interaction. It’s 75% imagination and 25% visual perception

[Number39]

Women are genuinely nice when you approach them but they are capable to subconsciously judge you based on your looks aside from that approaching random women on the streets is probably the quickest way to get arrested my dude.

[Number39]

What matters most to women-- height, looks, dick size, money? ↗

Honestly look at the poll.

[Dongtai]

Three out of four random girls (out of the billions on this planet) picked looks over height (which is included in looks) dick size and money (personality want an option). Damn. I guess you’re right man. That settles this debate. Black pill is the decider of your destiny friend. Not you.

[Dongtai]

And no ones going to get arrested for going up to a girl and saying, “Hi you’re really cute. I want to meet you. I’m X”

You’ll get arrested if you keep bothering her after she’s told you to go away. It’s harassment at that point. God help you if you’re dumb enough to touch a complete stranger who’s expressed they want you to leave them alone.

Enjoy your black pills.

[Number39]

Whats with the insults? Just because I don't agree with you that's not a valid reason to talk down to someone.

[Dongtai]

I don’t mean to talk down to you. But your article does the same thing. This term black pill suggest that if a man doesn’t have good looks, he’s lesser than. You’re pushing this article as if it’s science. It’s not. Some one watched The Matrix and started coming up with all of these weird pill ideologies about the two genders.

The way you feel about my comments is the way you make people feel who may not fit the black pill criteria. That’s why I rebuttled. No one has the right to make someone feel less about themselves because someone else doesn’t think they fit some make believe standard based on something some one took from a “fictional” movie.

[Number39]

Well you are entitled to what you believe I just put what makes sense and going based on graphs and the amount of sex my generation has compared to baby boomers or gen x is completely shocking.

[Dongtai]

This was three days ago. I don’t care that much to keep this going. You can have your black pills

[Number39]

Your free to leave if you would like.

[Screenwriter]

Just a note. The amount of sex your generation has compared to earlier generations is due to AIDS and the spread of genital warts and herpes, which had always been around, but there were very few cases. So people are more careful, in general, about who they have sex with and using protection. The fact that you need to put forth that extra effort means there's fewer people having random sex. If you absolutely prepare for sexual encounters, it makes you think about who and how much, and what risks you're taking. That's the reason behind fewer hookups. It's not about men being devalued. It's about people being more cautious and that's a good thing.

[Number39]

@Screenwriter That's not backed up by anything nor did you provide any proof of this. Mean while when you look at hookup rates, Marriage rates, and sex rates you will find that all of them are decreasing at the same time that's not a coincidence. You can try to justify this all you want by giving bogus explanations but we clearly see the problem.

[Dongtai]

*you* not we. Not everyone agrees with this post

[Number39]

Seems to me the mass majority agree with it there are a few people who disagree with it mostly women though lel.

[Dongtai]

The majority of sheep follow the herd 😉. Individuals create their own destiny

[Sweatyotterr]

I blame men for being desperate quick chasing women and watch things change

[Number39]

That's also true.

[GuidoThePizzaMaker]

The dude in that street harassment video looks like me! its really weird!

This is something everyone already knows, looks matter for attraction, but attraction is the easy part, if you want something that lasts you need to work on making it happen, compatibility, etc

[jmorris86]

I believe the truth is that women are more shallow than men. If a guy isn't at least an 8 then don't even bother online dating because you won't get very good results

[Physics-Man]

Utterly agree, and I've been saying this for years.

[verolove]

Chat me on hangout veronicaspillman100@gmail

[esotericstory]

Equality between men and women doesn't exist. We know it. Some will always get better treatment than others, even before the law.

[bangyourhead]

Then don’t play the online dating game. Don’t follow instathots, don’t pay for nudes or bathwater. Find alternative ways to meet women.

[Number39]

I don't do any of those anyhow especially that bathwater but the black pill applies in real life as well.

[bangyourhead]

Right

[Shamalien]

This is true however, a girl can become infatuated with a guy based on things other than looks, but you are unlikely to find those girls on the street in the evening

[Number39]

You could although you will find yourself playing the waiting game for years on end and that's only if she doesn't get picked up by another guy. I'm going based off a week or so to meet a women.

[gag12]

I prefer red pill over black pill

BLACK PILL has given up

they have forgotten GOD
and have rejected him

[Number39]

Well yeah they given up but I'm not sure about the other part though.

[gag12]

based off what I have seen they don't believe in GOD

at least in redpill I can find people with hope in Christ

[bimmy5000]

Doesn't have to be make up. Eat less junk food, keep clean and use lotion.

[Denniszen]

Where the hell are you getting all these statistics and do you hane any formal schooling is human psychology or is this your conjecture? Sorry its pnlu my 3rd day here.

[Number39]

I don't understand what you mean.

[mistixs]

Women rate men as less attractive because men put less effort into their appearance. If men put as much effort into their appearance as women do, then they would probably be equally attractive

[esotericstory]

What do you define as putting effort into your appearance?

[Screenwriter]

@esotericstory Look like you go to the gym, flip through GQ every few months, buy stylish clothes, have a decent hair cut. The guy who was pulled together had a black T and black jeans or slacks and a dapper scarf around his neck. He wasn't wearing a $500 outfit. It was very simple. He smiled. In a strong voice he said what area of London he was from and how he was proud of his region. You got a positive vibe from him. The other guy was a lump. He gave off nothing. His jeans looked dirty. His T shirt was sloppy and childish looking. It seemed like he didn't care about his appearance. Look at how the women dressed. Like they were going out on a date... to a movie.. for coffee... That's effort.

[esotericstory]

@Screenwriter I dont know what a GQ is. I suppose the culture of my region is very different from Angloshspere countries.

[Number39]

@Screenwriter Sorry, none of this lines up even if an unattractive male does all this it's still not enough and this is evident with the PUA community (Pick up artist) they typically dress very well and even learn how to talk to women and it usually ends in disaster even some PUA teachers outright said that it's getting harder and that's due to women's standards getting to unrealistic.

[Screenwriter]

Gentleman's Quarterly, Men's Health and other magazines have fashion layouts of attractive clothing, offer grooming tips. Shower, wear deodorant, a spritz of cologne. You know, it only takes one or two acceptances. It might take 10 or 20 refusals. I chatted with 39 men online. I met three. Of those three, two didn't like me and never recontacted me. One did, and I liked him too, and we dated awhile. That's how hard it was for ME. If a man is ordinary looking and has a great personality, that makes him more attractive right there. Some great looking guys are duds. No personality. No brains. Looks might get you a quick entree, but that won't last unless you've got interests, can speak etc. This is why online filtering is a better way to find out something about people before you meet them. Text and email about interests, education, work, vacations, passions... before you even meet for coffee... In two or three weeks of that and speaking on the phone, you will more than likely save yourself a trip.

[Blightly]

@Screenwriter Please don't apply what its like to be a woman to what its like to be a guy. It doesn't work that way

Girls go to the gym and do squats, guys go to the gym and work out every part of their body. That's considerable more work and time investment.

You spoke with 39 guys online, I'm not even sure if I've gotten a one word response acknowledging my existence / question / etc from 39 women online. 4 have ever given me a decent conversation and only 1 have I made friends with. I've been doing this for years. I figured out the odds of me getting someone to respond back to me (and mind you I'm not saying "Hi" / "Hey" / etc.), and it came out to about 0.0286%. That's about three percent, of a percent, of them just acknowledging my presence. I'm lucky, other dudes have considerably worse rates.

Again, please don't bring up how "easy it can be if you just ___" because that's if you do it, not if a guy does it. There's a lot more work, luck, problems to iron out, perfection, etc. just to get a (1) date as a guy. God forbid it isn't a perfect date or she flakes or ghosts you or etc.

[Screenwriter]

@Blightly OK. I watched a program that had people meet each other and see what they looked like. Like Tinder etc. When people conversed and DIDN'T see what each other looked like, they discovered essential facts about each other that was not influenced by looks. There was a great difference. I didn't see what the males looked like and depended on what they spoke about and how they rated themselves. They said they were average looking. I said the same. Turns out they were, 2 out of three, telling the truth. If "looks" are eliminated, which isn't possible with tinder, I suppose, your results will be different. It's too bad the swiping is all about faces.

[Blightly]

@Screenwriter Another great difference scientists have learned is that when a woman is made to approach a man in a dating scenario (for example a speed dating event, women get up and change seats) the woman is more likely to be more accepting of men to such an extent that their behavior / feelings / beliefs / etc. are almost indistinguishable from the men. When asked to rate each other's gender in terms of match compatibility, when men approached women the scores of women were extremely low and they had harsh opinions of their matches, however when the women approached the men the women's scores were nearly identical to those of the men's and just as frequent. There was no change in the men's scoring of women, or their behavior. As well, the scientists learned that both people were happier in the end when the women approached men than when the men approached the women.

[Screenwriter]

@Blightly I'd guess women approaching men feel more in control of the situation, so non threatened. I think that's really important. I certainly felt in control in my meeting those three men after I'd filtered them out of that clump of guys and chose where to meet them.

[Blightly]

@Screenwriter Opposite, they are no longer in control, ergo they seek approval and therefore rate men higher. They fear rejection, and when placed in the position they can no longer sit on their throne and deem guys worthy or unworthy the women change, because now the roles are reversed. Again, there is no change for guys in either position.

[Pilocene]

>Men put effort into their appearance

>Lol, if only men put effort into their appearance they'd stop being ugly! haha lol.

[Number39]

@Screenwriter Well you can see how the men disagree with this and it's simply due to the old myth advice women give similar to that of confidence.

[mistixs]

@Pilocene they don't put effort into their appearance though. I did a poll & most guys said they put less than 5 minutes into looking good for their online dating pictures. Most women said they put more time in. When it comes to your online dating profile picture, how much time do you typically put into looking good for the picture? ↗

[Pilocene]

@mistixs You're using a GaG poll as proof? There's a sample bias, and you also need to correct the data to make it reflective of the total population.

[Pilocene]

Also, the women did not say they put more effort into their appearance. Most said they never used Online dating.

[mistixs]

@Pilocene do men spend as much money on cosmetics, grooming, and surgery as women do?

[Pilocene]

Products like makeup aren't for men, so you're comparing apples to oranges most of the time. Most expenses towards self care are going to go to things like haircuts and clothing, and if they're a metrosexual maybe cologne.

[mistixs]

@Pilocene you think men pay as much money on their hair and clothes as women do?

[Pilocene]

They spend more on haircuts, and according to the Slate article "Men Spend More Money and Time On Clothes Shopping Than Women," apparently they spend more on clothing too.

[mistixs]

@Pilocene maybe on haircuts but women spend more money getting their hair done

[Pilocene]

You need to cite your sources, you can't just say these things and expect it to be fact. Men also spend money on shaving equipment, and they do spend more or just as much on other products like skincare.

- I'm Xper level 1, so I can't send links.

- From the website "Phillymag," "Study Shows Men Spend Just as Much as Women on Skincare Products."

[Blightly]

what is looking good beyond shaving, doing hair, putting on clothes that look good? This takes like 5 min. You want us to put on makeup too?

[Screenwriter]

@Blightly Men used to wear makeup in the 18th century in Europe. We can agree that women are held to a higher standard when it comes to appearance enchancing additives. I've only heard that men use bronzer to get rosier cheeks in some cases. I don't believe this is a general trend. It might be some day. Jason Statham is a movie star who is not handsome. His facial features aren't good together. He has a deep, gravelly voice and a great body, and plays tough guys so he gets some purchase at being attractive. Daniel Craig is the same. Idris Elba has uneven facial features also, but a GREAT smile and beautiful voice and stellar acting. They all dress really well because they're all buff and have lots of money. But if we simply saw their faces, would be swipe left? Their attractiveness has to do with how they perform their jobs. NOt simply from a classically handsome set of characteristics. Dressing well adds to the allure. But a picture alone. If they weren't on a marquee, wearing their makeup, perfect hair cuts and being tough guys, I wonder if they're do so well in the Tinder world.

[Blightly]

@Screenwriter Haha, I'm not even gonna go there if that's your argument. not even worth it. I've heard it all before and it's literally bs. "Guys today do [insert 1 thing that you off color saw one guy do that NO ONE ELSE does] and you should too". In the 21st century, straight guys don't wear makeup. We don't live in the 18th century, but unfortunately with this progressivism and the constant desire of a small group of idiots who are trying to change what a man is and what a man should be we might be going to a society full of powdered boys and soft, limpwristed handshaking children

[Bananaman177]

There's a reason why Einstein never combed his hair and always wore the same outfit. Obsessing over your appearance is a sign of low intelligence and a lack of personality.

The prettier a person is on the outside, the more likely the inside is hollow.

[bimmy5000]

Pretty sure a quick google search will yield quite a few scientists and engineers who are incredibly successful in their areas and also cares about about their appearance.

[Screenwriter]

@Bananaman177 Einstein had crazy hair, but in photos he wore nice sweaters and slacks and quality suits from what I've seen. He wasn't high fashion, but he certainly cared about his appearance.

[Blightly]

@Screenwriter Einstein did not care about his appearance. it was the women who he was married to which made him wear nicer clothes and do his hair. Once he divorced from each of them he was back to his old ways.

[Bananaman177]

@bimmy5000 You do too many "quick google searches" and not enough in-depth research.

[bimmy5000]

Lol and you fall too deep into rabbit holes.

[nerms123]

All y’all taking too many drugs. Why do men care so much what women think of them?

[Number39]

Well here's the thing you wouldn't understand because you are probably drowning in attention from desperate men while men on the other hand have to actually put a lot of effort into getting the attention of a single women unless he's a model so you wouldn't exactly understand. Also, don't assume someone is taking drugs because they don't hold the same belief's as you.

[nerms123]

Black pills blue pills red pills purple yellow. Too many pills yo. Stop caring what these bimbos say about you. Have self love ❤️

[Number39]

I appreciate the nice gesture I really do but it's hard to have self love when your put down by the media all the time for just being a male it's also many other factors to this but I'm not gonna waste your time.

[Screenwriter]

"The media" encompasses so many sources! Go to some meetups and casually meet groups of people with similar interests: sailing, soccer, softball, volleyball, hiking... etc. People interested in meeting people they click with. Chat with people. Eliminate those you need to. Then talk to the next level via phone. Let a few weeks pass before you meet for coffee. The coffee meeting will likely determine if you decide on a later date. Go from there. Rinse and repeat. It will take a little time. But you'll have some successes. Concentrate on the successes and build on them. Enjoy yourself.

[Pilocene]

"Screenwriter" Is full of shit. Going to activities doesn't guarantee anything for men; if you're a girl then plenty of romantically starved men will hit on you but there is no way out for men.

Screenwriter Is just another dumb bimbo who can't put herself in other people's shoes.

[Screenwriter]

@Pilocene Going to activities, being on Tinder, picking up women at bars, church, anywhere, does not guarantee a dating life. But doing NOTHING, guarantees you'll get nothing. Going to activities means you'll have an interesting life outside of work even if you don't get dates from the activities. Being positive helps too. All you can do is be your best self, be well, be happy. I've never had lots of men hit on me. I've had to look for connections. I've only had a few. Good luck to you.

[Bananaman177]

Nobody can love themselves forever if nobody ever loves them back. You know what it means to be "hungry" for love, but you don't know what it means to be starved. The vast overwhelming majority of men are STARVING to death and if you don't believe me, go and check the suicide rates.

This isn't some minor problem that you can fix with a few encouraging words that you got from a Hallmark card. If it happened to your son, you wouldn't wish you could go back in time and give him a little pep talk. I think when men are killing themselves at an unprecedented rate, it's safe to say they might actually be suffering from something that can't be fixed with empty platitudes.

[Number39]

@Pilocene Sounds about right my notifications are blowing up with here typing this stuff on every comment

[Screenwriter]

@Bananaman177 When someone speaks in extremes like you do, something is wrong. "Most" men, "always" "overwhelming majority" "nobody ever loves them" "starving to death." Suicide deaths account for about 15 men per 100000 deaths. There is no way to know if someone killed themself because they felt rejected by a potential partner or because their life was in some sort of downward spiral. I'm mentioning suggestions to try to help with meeting women. If NOTHING you ever do helps you meet women, I suggest that something else might be wrong. If you've seen a counelor to address despression over a negative life attitude, or over a host of negative events that have overwhelmed you, and medication and counseling didn't help you improve your situation, I don't have any further ideas. If you feel suicidal, seek professional help. I offer my son my ear and my heart and tell him if he ever feels like he wants to self harm to contact me and talk to friends. Nothing and no one is worth killing yourself over. If you truly feel no one has ever loved you, including parents, relatives and friends, something is very wrong in your life. I hope you find out and solve it.

[Bananaman177]

@Screenwriter Sorry, but your transparent attempt to shame and discredit me is just that: transparent.

[Screenwriter]

@Bananaman177 I am neither trying to shame NOR discredit you. I am saying if you feel that no one loves you and you have no chance at finding love that you get counseling help. You sound hopeless. I am worried for you. I wish you good luck at solving these issues. All the best.

[Bananaman177]

@Screenwriter Are you seriously implying that there is "somebody for everyone?" That's not fucking true, the top 20% of men fuck the top 80% of women.

And the reason why that is is not because the bottom 80% of men "just need counseling."

[Number39]

@Bananaman177 Exactly.

[chrislam5459]

Go to r/blackpillscience for more studies if you guys want

[Number39]

I didn't think of that thanks.

[incelposting]

The blackpill is absolute truth.

[Syrian_survivor]

Sorry but this is too dumb to evem debate.

Like yeah stating the obvious, humans like attractive people, holy shit what a surprise, let's burn them for being so shallow am I right?

[Number39]

I guess you don't like facts huh?

[Syrian_survivor]

I do, and I appreciate them, but not when they're obvious and dumb

Hey dude do you even know where your burger comes from? Yeah from factories where animals get SLAUGHTERED and thrown into BLENDERS
Now you know the truth

[Number39]

I'm gonna end this conversation you are coming off as toxic to me.

[Syrian_survivor]

I guess you don't like facts huh?

[Number39]

That doesn't make much sense considering this whole mytake is based on facts but i'm gonna not even going bother...

[Syrian_survivor]

FACTS my duuude.

Did you know the sun is so damn big?
Or that humans have 8 fingers?

Facts bro, behold 😎

[Number39]

Considering you never posted anything that can be considered faction and the whole bit about human's having 8 fingers or the sun being big is pure common sense If you are going to be serious then this is the time to do so if not I don't have time for internet trolls.

[Syrian_survivor]

Well guess what
People being attracted to and preferring physically attractive partners is common sense as well.

You can't expect everyone to be so zen, so special, and so critically-thinking that they look deeply into a person's personality to know if they're attractive to them or not, that's not our world, that's unrealistic and it's unhealthy to think this way, it's better to think about things that are actually important and improve your life, there's no point in talking about it as it's human nature, the media and a million other factors are rendering people worldwide more shallow and materialistic, and we can't do anything about it, you gotta fit in, take it, stop complaining and adapt with it.

[Syrian_survivor]

And those videos you sent? Wow 20 whores judge a guy by how wet their vaginas get when they see him, sounds like a very good source of information right? You don't look at the worst things and hate them for being bad, you focus on possible good things and think of how to make them better and longer lasting.
Yes confidence IS important, don't tell me otherwise, the first guy was confident but it wasn't enough AND he was dressed like an adopted baby monkey with weird ass earings, no shit nobody would be attracted to him, and it's obvious that he was an asshole as well so that completely shoots him out the dating pool.

Women like the "bad boy traits" which are badly named as they're not only for bad boys, they're good qualities that bad people seem to possess like the huge self-confidence, not opening up easily to anyone, being fun and outgoing, not giving a shit about other people's opinions, and many other attractive male traits, put them on an ugly af guy and he might get himself some average girls if not gorgeous ones, put his body in the gym and get him ripped then he'd have many more females lining up for him, it's not a paradox or an issue to invest so much time and energy understanding, it's not a loop either, I just said how someone can get out of it, not easy but possible ya know?
Good looks are just a boost in those things, such people might have a much easier time scoring chicks than ugly ones, BUT also don't forget that people who work hard for it also gain many good qualities on their way there like endurance, dedication, and resilence.

[Number39]

Well I don't see any facts with all those words you are proving...

[Syrian_survivor]

[Number39]

Well this retard got more people agreeing with him then you do.

[Syrian_survivor]

Yeah dude you're 100% right keep going in your sad desperate life cuz you make it that way depending on F A C T S