Which gender is most likely to overestimate their attractiveness & why?

[BronzedAdonis]

which do you think?

detailed and elaborate responses are appreciated.

[Browneye57]

Women tend to for a lot of reasons. But guys do it too. The majority of people will put their SMV a point or two above what it really is if they have a strong self image and are quite successful otherwise.

But here's where the girls get all messed up...
80% of them are chasing the 10 to 15% of the hot alpha guys. The rest of everyone is standing on the sidelines. We know from biology that she'll have sex with him because she gets the vag-tingles from the alpha male. But he has women literally throwing themselves at him so he's good at the pump and dump routine. I mean, why wouldn't he be? Aren't you gonna do any hot chick that wants you?
Now she has given up her virtue to this hot guy just hoping she can land him, which is never gonna happen. So now she's heartbroken, and 'emotionally damaged' or the latest one I heard, 'relationship scars'. Yeah right. But now since she got this hot guy to fuck her she really thinks she can qualify for a guy like this, so she ups her self SMV assessment. She starts thinking she's 'not going to settle' that she can land one of these high-SMV guys. This is where you get all this "I'm picky" and "not going to settle" bullshit lines. And they really believe it.

So now fast forward about ten years, having done this same routine over and over - we call it the cock-carousel. Now she's starting to age, her youth and beauty is starting to fade, she now has to compete with girls ten years her junior that are in the prime of their youth and beauty, and she has spurned many a suitor - great guys that could have been a perfect mate. And she'll whine and fuss and you'll hear, "Where have all the good men gone?" What a joke. All the while the really good guys have gotten snapped up by the smart girls, and all that are left are the dregs, nerds, low-lifes, and divorcees with kids in tow.

And that's how this all gets played out over and over. You can see it in the questions they ask. It's plain as day, but they just don't get it. The FI keeps telling them "You deserve to be happy". You DESERVE to get what you want. And for their whole life they've been dreaming that price charming is going to come along and sweep them off their feet, just like disney's Cinderella or Snow White. What a complete FAIL.

[Browneye57]

*... Prince Charming...

[Crimson79]

You fail to realize one thing. You’re no spring chicken, and you have to compete with much younger men. Just because a woman is nice to you doesn’t mean she’s interested. If you manage to get a woman a lot younger than you, chances are it’s because you got money.

[Crimson79]

I’m not worried about younger women partially because I look the same age as them.

[Crimson79]

Further proof that guys are cockier than women is older men like you who’s looks have faded still think they have a chance with someone 20 years younger than them. You guys aren’t Johnny Depp. 😂

[Crimson79]

What most people who answered “women” fail to realize is women overestimated their attractiveness, they wouldn’t be wearing makeup. So that doesn’t really add up.

[OlderAndWiser]

There are women who have inflated opinions of their attractiveness but there are also women who are average to above average in appearance who are insecure about their attractiveness. The same applies for men. Some falsely think they are Greek gods and others are average to above average but think they are too ugly to ever attract a woman.

The important questions are:

1. Do you have a realistic appraisal of your own attractiveness? I don't think this is necessary so you will know whether a potential mate is "out of your league," as I don't honor such narrow constraints. If I am interested in a woman, I go for it regardless of how beautiful she is. I think you need to have a realistic appraisal of yourself for your self-confidence.

2. You need to know whether your partner has a realistic appraisal of their beauty. This may indicate some ego deficits and perhaps you can help them to become more confident or maybe you can diplomatically suggest some things that will enhance their appearance. My last girlfriend suggested that I try a shorter hair style which I probably would have never considered on my own; after I got a new hair cut, I got many compliments on my new look.

[Crimson79]

If that were true, they wouldn’t wear makeup.

[OlderAndWiser]

Do you know how difficult it is to turn a battleship?

[Warmapplecrumble]

Men.

I remember in psychology class men regardless of their attractiveness level go for the most beautiful women.

Furthermore, men look at their plus points rather than flaws in the mirror as they don't stare at it as much as women.

It's far more acceptable to have bald men, hairy men walking around with beer bellies.

If a woman done the same I'd think someone would send her to jail for indecency.

So with above concluded I think men over estimate their attractiveness.

****Now the above is just an opinion, and my beliefs, the statements do not wish to intend any harm to any gender.****

[Wonderer89]

Women for sure, not a doubt.
Women are chased for sex, is starts so young even just with flirting - men are taught that making women feel good about their appearance makes them more likely to sleep with the guy. We rarely/if ever HAVE to make the first move because social construct has it as the mans job.

With having this constant barrage of compliments any reasonable/average looking girl is suddenly elevated to goddess-like status and several men backing it up with the same compliment... so she believes it.

[BronzedAdonis]

interesting and conversely why do you think men are more modest?

[Wonderer89]

Because the majority of them have to be. Unless he's a 9-10 on the "scale" his modest (even if it is realistic) outlook on his appearance can be off putting and make seem egotistical. Where as a woman in the same situation is seen as "knowing her value" even though most of that value is given to her based on her vagina

[Crimson79]

Yeah there’s some that do that but I noticed there’s even more guys that do that than women.

[splashofyellow]

Definitely women. A lot of women get false compliments on their looks because men want something (=sex) from them. Obviously some of the compliments are genuine but I'd say a lot of them, especially given by strangers/acquaintances, are insincere. That's why I hate compliments about my appearance. I'd love to be complimented on my personality because it automatically seems more genuine.

[JohnDoe3000]

Yeah, but lots of women are also incredibly insecure about their looks and put themselves down.

[splashofyellow]

@JohnDoe3000 I somewhat agree with you saying it's about 50/50 with women. But I still think men contribute to women overestimating their attractiveness way more than vice versa. Maybe it's just that I seem to constantly come across men that are super insecure about how they look that my perception is skewed.

[JohnDoe3000]

Well, maybe one doesn't exclude the other. My personal theory is that women are 50/50 on over- or underestimating themselves compared to other women, but a majority of women overestimate themselves compared to men, and yes, that's probably because of cheap compliments and sexual interest from men. I think if you asked women to rate random pictures (or better, videos) of 100 random men you wouldn't get a uniform 1-10 distribution or a bell curve, you'd get something that heavily skews to the left: the 50th guy wouldn't be on the middle of the scale but to the left of it. Men wouldn't do this (except for the ugliest men), they would rate women more evenly.

So TLDR an insecure 7/10 woman thinks she's a 5/10 but she also thinks she's too good for a (according to her own rating) 60th percentile (so objectively a 6/10) man, because she sees him as a 4/10.

[Dme500]

Sorry i didn't read any of the other replys. This goes to the opinon itself.

@splashofyellow i compliment random women all the on social media. Its not because of my desire to have sex with them, not that i wouldn't jump at the chance, but because i dont think women are told how beautiful they are enough.

I know you mentioned that sometimes compliments are genuine and im not here to prove that they are. Im just saying that if it happens dont assume that there is an ulterior motive. You are really pretty and should be proud of that.

[Pomegranate139]

I found this

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[Kkaos]

The difference is if that guy went out all confident without a top on, he'd be hit with the hard truth. Girls won't be attracted to him and real muscular guys will be laughing at him.

Whereas if the girl goes out, guys will still want to have sex with her because some guys will have sex with anything. And girls will always tell her that she's pretty in order to make her feel better...

Leading to the girl being the one who over values herself in the long run.

[Idonthaveausername]

LOL I actually agree with this picture

Society puts more pressure on women to look pretty, wear makeup, and have a ton of Instagram followers to the point where there's an epidemic of insecure pretty girls who think they're ugly and fat. Women base beauty of unrealistic and unattainable photo-shopped and unhealthy ideals, so they view themselves as less attractive than they really are because men view them as more attractive than the stick-thin, curveless models they aspire to be. Women put more importance on physical attractiveness than men do

I think men overestimate their appearance all the time too. I've personally heard many guys talk themselves up when I viewed them as unattractive or ugly. My ex thought he was attractive enough to get my ho friend to cheat on me with, but he wasn't so she ratted him out so I could dump him. I have an obese friend who expects to be with skinny girls. Chico Brah thought he was hot shit but looked like a serial killer

[Crimson79]

@Kkaos Whatever dude. I can tell when a guy is trying to use me or not.

[Crimson79]

@Idonthaveausername The above picture is pretty accurate. The fat dude will think he’s got a chance with the prettiest woman in the room.

[ElissaDido]

Men. I have seen more men trying to date women out of their league than women trying to date out of their league. Women are often times insecure.

[youniversoul1]

Men go for women out of our league simply because we know girls don't go for looks they fall for words and actions.

[ElissaDido]

@youniversoul1 nah most women i know still value looks (including myself), but they also value money and status

[youniversoul1]

Sure looks are valued. But that's not what keeps a girl around. Ik because I'm a pretty fair guy I'd say and had money and status but none of that worked until I learned how to use my mouthpiece

[Bandit74]

Definitely girls. The average girl gets more complements on their appearance, has been flirted with more, has been asked out more, and has more options for sex and relationship than the average guy. The entire dating structure is built on the premise that girl is the choose and that the burden of proving your worth and impressing the other person is disproportionately placed on the guy.

Not only can an average girl easily find a guy within her league (average looking), but she can also easily get conventionally hot guys to flirt and hookup with her. She may not realize that guys have lower standards for who they hookup with and think she is just as desirable as the guys she hooks up with.

Also its just not politically correct to say anything negative about women nowadays. Feminism supports anything negative that is said about men and demonizes anything negative that is said about women. Women have an entire political movement dedicated to boosting their self-esteem while men have nothing.

[BlueCoyote]

I'm leaning towards men. Tons of women are very insecure about their looks and need regular emotional support from their boyfriends/husbands when it comes to this topic. I have a friend whose girlfriend says "my legs are so fat" and "my stomach is so ugly" about 10 times per hour, even when she's around me. Fortunately, my wife is not even closely as bad as that but she also has her insecure moments.

I don't know too many guys on the other hand who are openly insecure about their looks. I wouldn't say men tend to boast (with a few exceptions) but they do seem to have a more relaxed body-image than women. For example I'm a little overweight and I know it. I won't go around telling people that I look like an Ancient Greek God but I also don't feel ashamed of my looks. I just look the way I look and if somebody finds me ugly, that's not my problem.

[Unit1]

This is really uneasy to answer but it seems, that in my experience it may be the women.
More so when certain types of women doll themselves up and think of themselves of higher value to the point of putting others down. This is usually accompanied by (temporary) entitlement. Those are DISGUSTING specimen!
Men are not any better when they get a high ego. Sometimes I wish those, who have such an high ego will be put back down by some women (the damage is greater if it's an attractive woman). However these petty games are not worth playing. The best reaction to these types of men and women is simply by not acknowledging their existence. It's not really about putting them back into place but more about not involving yourself with those kinds of men and women.

[ADFSDF1996]

Women, some (not all) assume that just because they have a nice body and pretty face they can take advantage of a man's visual nature and get any man they want.

However us guys are the opposite, we tend to underestimate our attractiveness because whenever we see a pretty woman we tend to feel unattractive.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

"take advantage of a man's visual nature." That's so true and put really well.

[JohnDoe3000]

I think a majority of men slightly overestimate their looks (most guys seem to think they're slightly above average), while a minority vastly underestimates their looks. For women it's about 50/50: half vastly overestimate their looks and half vastly underestimate their looks.

I think it's about even once you add it all up.

[Cosytoasty]

Girls get annoyed when they're rated 6 and 7 out of 10

While an 8 or 9 looks like this
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They're annoyed at being only a point behind her 😂😂😂 or think they're on her level... hilarious creatures.

I don't think men go around thinking they're David Gandy

[WhiteSteve]

My snap answer would be women, just because a lot of dudes are thirsty as fuck and have been gassing women up with compliments since they were like 12 years old. Also, women compliment other women OFF THE HOOK, "Oh my godddddd, you are like sooooo prettyyyyyyy!"

My reservation is that many women seem to be terribly insecure or overly critical of their own looks, maybe due to the increased emphasis on it in the dating game, and in some cases, life in general.

[HorrorFan]

I would say women.

A lot of men will lower their standards for sex and that no doubt inflates a woman's sense of self attractiveness. She then thinks she can get those guys for relationships instead of just one night stands.

I think most men simply don't really care about how attractive they are.

[CT_CD]

Women. With the advent of online dating and social media, women’s self esteem has become unnaturally high. A girl can look completely average and guys will tell how beautiful she is. When you have 100s of thirsty guys following you, telling you they love you, posting comments of adoration on your page - your self esteem tends to explode. Women have options like never before. Men on tinder swipe right on everything just so they can get as many matches as they can.

[BronzedAdonis]

never seen you give such a lengthy response

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Definitely women. They can also get away with it too since men are more visually stimulated than women. Also, even average looking women will get compliments and likes on social media so they might overestimate their attractiveness a bit. Makeup is also a factor as well.

[Lillyhope]

Girls... but men do it as well, that's their mum's fault, they tell their offsprings that they're the best, so that those guys start to believe in this bs

[BronzedAdonis]

true one guy at my gym is proof of this

[Lillyhope]

No one likes them anyways.. at least me lol

[BronzedAdonis]

he's young though, I feel his conceitedness is due to age/maturity to a fair degree.

[Lillyhope]

Dunno... usually people don't change, but who knows

[BronzedAdonis]

at your age they certainly do

[Lillyhope]

I'm 23 tbh

[DonkeyRick69]

Women do it's called hypergamy. A woman who's average or below will often think she's of higher value on the sexual marketplace simply because a few times high value guys pumped and dumped them. So they turn down guys that are in their league to chase after those high value guys in the deluded hope one will settle for them. 90% of single women are banged by the top 10% of guys.

[Dme500]

Men. Those of us who think they're ugly usually just ain't got game. And those of us with game tend to think they're sexy. But I've realized that sometimes even being butt ugly can be overcome by confidence and a little smooth talk.

Hell he'll never know this, but one of my friends is a prime example of someone who uses words to overcome the ugly.

[genericname85]

while both genders are usually insecure about their own looks, women are told way more that they look gorgeous... usually by men that try to get in their pants. men don´t have that experience, there fore girls must be the ones with the higher ego when it comes to this xD

[DamnAnon]

Girls, because even the ugly ones get told how pretty they are. Desperate guys pamper girls that aren't even a two, and put average and above girls on a pedestal.
Most girls get told all their lives that they're attractive, even when they're not, so it's normal to see them overestimate their looks.

[anmari2001]

it depends on the person but I think women tend to talk about their insecurities more than guys

[BronzedAdonis]

true

[HonestGirlAlways]

I think men. I've met plenty of guys who think they're the shit but are average at best. Some of the prettiest women I know have huge self esteem issues so I'd say men.

[Crimson79]

Yep!, and plus if women were the gender that overestimated their looks the most then hardly any of them would be wearing makeup. I’ve seen mostly men purse women way too young for them, and way out of their league. I think people assume women overestimate their appearance because they’re not interested in in someone.

[sedrftvgyhujik]

Men because women have more feedback ie told there attractive offten to the point they find it annoying if they are.
Where as most of the time where trying to tell whether someone was flirting with us or just being friendly its way more nuance

[Allenhundred]

women, guys are the first to flirt with them. therefore a woman on average has a great chance to be flirted with because she's a woman. so if they're being flirted on a lot. they will start to become coky