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Easier for me yes, but I'm the guy whose coming to your front door greeting you, for an evening out not a 20 something leaning on the car's horn to get your attention and expecting the date to pay half the dinner check lmao, Guys come on Chivalry is not dead, be a man pay for everything you cheap 20 something B@st@rd's.
Bahahahahahaha... nice!
So world war 2 broke it when we needed the women to work and they were just as good at it. Since then its been a slow grind to equality as the patriarchy slowly gives up territory bit by bit.
As for dating thats a pretty recent courting custom that was not commonly practiced in history. So "traditional" is a small window in time people are trying to cling to and not a permanent fixed thing like people act.
That doesn't answer the question but okay.
I just pointed out that traditional is a pretty ambiguous term and made a few points as to why it looks how it looks now.
feminist idiot
Because I used the word patriarchy? I only think one of us is behaving like an idiot here.
It looks how it looks because the Jews destroyed nationalism and their Marxism/socialism/communism was ushered in. The European race was hugely culled and then they went about the destruction of the nuclear family through media and "equal rights". A Jew also invented the contraception pill too. The tide will eventually turn as nothing can change the will of the natural order. Ow and they was only able to tax half the population under the patriarchy now they can tax everyone through their banks and usery
The fuck are you talking about? That sounds like some redneck conspiracy shit :p
Contraceptives have been around since ancient egypt abd id have to double check but I do believe there are references to it before the year Abraham supposedly lived so contraceptives predates Judaism. There have been a lot of contraceptive pills invented so you'll have to be more specific on your birth control claim.
Incomes are down overall so the taxing both men and women part doesn't make sense, plus it would only work for income tax as the other taxes are based on things other than working wages.
Gregory Goodwin Pincus invented the contraceptive pill, he was Jewish. 5 out of the ten people present (Germany was excluded) who signed the treaty of Versailles were Jewish. It was this treaty that lead to world war 2. Rockefeller, Bilderburg group, Sachs Rothschild's are the four banking cartels that all banks belong to. All cartels are Jewish. These also loaned the money to every war ever fought. Every tax goes through the bank. Compound of intrest is a Jewish invention.
Pincus (Polish Jewish parents) and Rock (Catholic) both developed the first birth control pill together funded by planned parenthood of America. Most of Pincus' other research was focused on combatting infertility.
There are more jewish bankers because Christians werent allowed to lend money until relatively recently so by default all the bankers were jewish or misc.
Rothschild is sketchy, most people making their money off war profiteering and currency manipulations are. We should probably watch all those high rollers much more closely as that money comes from somewhere.
Compound interest wasn't so much invented as utilized as its just what happens when you continuously add interest to principle.
The three big players at the treaty of Versailles were Clemencau, Woodrow Wilson and David Loyd George. Clemencau (French representative) was the one pushing for harsher reparations. The reality is that conflict started when the German federation was founded in 1814 coinciding with the decline of the Ottoman and Austrio-Hungarian empire completely upsetting the balance of power in Europe.
I don't really care about all the roles within a relationship... but dating does seem pretty fucked. Relationships at this point are only an excuse to bang someone repeatedly over a long period of time. Back then it was part of the quest to find a suitable partner to start a family with. Escentialy people just use each other as human toilets to relieve themselves with in this day and age.
No. You know why? The female would be dependent on the males for everything such as various expenses, etc. We take care of the homes, but who takes care of us? The men. We would have to rely on even awful men, but if we were to take care of ourselves and not become dependent on men, it would be much better for us to create a better life for ourselves.
Well it seems that when it comes to men paying Etc --> ironically all women are 'raised' old fashioned she says lol
But when it comes to other 'old fashioned' roles like you suggest --> Now its equality she preaches 😂
😂😂 the irony here though
It’s not when it comes down to it. Men don’t want to do much of anything equally. Half the men on this site don’t even want to pay for a date. Personally, I think women being allowed to work has also allowed men to be lazy and slack off.
But don't you think thats understable? Like be objective for a second
Would you like it if you always had to dish out your money for a date that may not even go past the first date
Ya i think not lol
Understandable* not understable
Lol
Imagine im going on a few dates to meet someone and explore a little. To find my lover
I now have 5 dates set up in a month. Im paying for all fucking 5? Thats nonsense lol
No, I don’t. I would think wanting to find and keep someone would be more important than saving $20 on a date but I put value on relationships, not money.
Exactly
So then why does it seem to matter so much?
Lol
You say its not important and you dont put value on it yet expect it
No thats putting 100% full value on it
20 bucks for date lol
That doesn't even get you 2 coffees and snacks 😂
Times that by 5 dates
If $20 can’t buy you a coffee and a snack then you are going to the wrong coffee place boo.
but you just said it doesn't matter?
So can you spend 20$ ? Lol
Yes, I can because I have a job. I've paid for dates before. I'm not opposed to paying sometimes. Most women are not. But some guys don't seem to want to put effort into anything lol.
Most women are not opposed...
Have you been living under a rock... who the heck told you that 😂
You’ve paid for dates is NOT the same as you paying for 5 first dates in one week because you just have 5 dates...
Don’t lie lol
Because most aren’t. Not the ones I live next to. If you haven’t had that experience, then you’re probably the one living under a rock.
And usually we do half on first dates. Sounds like your dating life sucks. You have my pity.
Bro lol you need to educate yourself dear lol
Cause you are lost if thats what you think 😂
https://youtu.be/yKJv2o453wo
Take a few hours and check up on it
The concesus is clear. And everyone knows the guy is most likely paying
Besides this is about old fashioned gender roles
Most women want old fashioned roles when it suits then and new fashioned roles when it also suits them there 😂
When a girl says im old fashioned i expect the guy to pay 😂
Right away. I know this girl is full of shit. She isn't old fashioned at all
Just doesn't wanna use her own money 😂
Haha, no. There would be too much controversy, first of all -- we feminists would explode. Second of all, in this era, it would be way too hard financially. I agree, no one would live luxuriously; everyone would live pretty close to poverty. At least two paying jobs are what a common family needs nowadays. It's not going to be able to change anytime soon.
Probably no... For me, it's not about gender roles but perspective of gender roles...
Im from a Latin country, and tradicional men feels powerful in front of women, they think they have the right to abuse or control only bc women deppends of them or even think women are lazy just for stay in home, but honestly, anyone think how tiring is made chores, care babies, and be submit...
If people respect or give the value from every role, maybe would be easier...
Yes, women have gotten absolutely out of hand. Our sex means something, not everything in life is a social construct; some things are based in biology and actuality. Let’s face it, I don’t want a woman with me on the battle field, I don’t want a woman with me on a construction site. Women are biologically weaker and if you deny that, you deny science.
Physically weaker, yes, but not really in any other way.
Men also use less emotion when thinking in a stressful situation
Well, men are also raised to think being emotional is female trait and women are encouraged to be emotional. That’s not really a biological thing but more of a societal norm.
That’s actually a psychological difference in men and women. Not everything is a social construct
No, it is. The type of emotional is just different. Men are more prone to rage and anger but women are more prone to being sad. That’s just basic testosterone and estrogen knowledge.
Yeah that’s true. The way emotion is displayed is definitely different. But I’m saying to you that men will think more rationally and more free of emotion in a tough situation like if a man is being held down in a bunker during war
I think there's a reason we had the sexual revolution, etc. Lots of pent-up frustration beneath the surface. I think those things will probably always be there. Males in other species suffer terribly trying to procreate. They have "traditional gender roles". I don't know if it's enviable.
Dating would be easier but finding love wouldn't be that easier. If there were gender roles people could be depressed even more. I don't know what would happen. Talking about dating, there would be too many advantages and disadvantages so we can't know without analyzing the whole story.
But I still think the dating process would be easier.
We are human, i don’t see a difference between man and woman, anybody needs to be independent. As a family, the couple both of them have to educate and raise up their children. For the house hold chores, cleaning , cooking and paiement, I see the couple as partners in this life, they have to help each other in everything, and behave as one person. If someone thinks for example, that the man is not good enough to make a task as he must, so at that point the woman can handle it, and vice versa.
I mean I hate saying this because I like how much autonomy I have gained as a woman but in a sense it would be easier because their is such a complicated dance these days of situationships and defining the relationship and texting rules and calling rules and approaching rules that is honestly just exhausting. I think it must have been easier back then to understand your role in the dating process back then and know how to play it but these days there are so many blurred lines
I am reminded of something one of the first feminists, Gloria Steinhem, said nearly 50 years ago, "What we want is a humanizing of gender roles--not an exchanging of them!"
And you know what? She was right.
However, what we ended up doing was something different and much worse--a *total denial* of gender roles. And this has been folly.
It’s just not possible to unring the bell.
Although the traditional roles of cooking, laundry, children, household chores still are women’s roles while outside upkeep are men. At least it is in my circle of friends.
That’s why it is tough for women in the working fields to find balance.
The way it is now, it’s extremely difficult for women
Being a stay-at-home mother use to be a full-time job. Now we have dishwashers, washing machines, dry cleaning, home cleaning crews, restaurants on every corner, and even daycares for children. Women would get bored if they stayed at home today.
I do believe though that we should stop trying to force an equal outcome between the genders. Let men and women have equal opportunity and stop trying to disenfranchise men in order to help women.
All those efficient washing machines are expensive... not anyone can buy it... and if u have money gender role is not even a issue... so the question is for average people that have economy defficiency...
@lurikatia Washing machines are an every day household item for middle class families. You don’t have to have money to have a set.
Well if u say so
@lurikatia I mean... that’s like common knowledge lol
No, they dont have... not in latin america... have u travel the world and meet those people? Asia? Africa? They dont...
U should read more and fix what u call u have " common sense"
And just bc u have a washing machine it doesn't make ur day easier...
What is average in ur country , it may not be the same in other countries
That is common sense
Learn
Cleaning crews everyday? ... k...
@lurikatia Well, I'm not talking about poor ass countries, either. This question is clearly geared towards the United States. Don't be mad because you were wrong lol. You must be from one of those poor countries which is why you are so triggered lol
Yeap i knew it... jaja so predictable... the way u talk : racist, self centered, rich girl in her little tiny bubble
And 28 years old... waow
No countries matter, just urs
The question is about genders... beyond cultural differences.. but u dont care
We are 2018... be more modern... ur mind is so old fashion
No country is poor.. just in their way of growing... and if u dont know why they are in that economic state
What did u do in school? Srsly
Read more , learn, open ur mind
This app is to help and give advices... and im here... helping u... cause u need it... and a lot...
The only poor thing we have here is ur lack of knowledge
@lurikatia Lol, you mad because you're broke? And how am I racist? Literally, what did I say that was racist? You mentioned Africa but I guess you didn't realize I'm African and Native American. Lol, don't get mad because my ethnic parents weren't satisfied with being poor like your parents were and decided to do something about it. Though you have to love that you think I'm rich. I don't believe I mentioned my income anywhere. I'm a teacher, boo, that's hardly rich, and even I have a dishwasher lol.
Also, you really shouldn't discuss lack of knowledge when you can't even spell 'your' correctly.
I disagree with ur comments in many ways and with concrete answers.
My inttention was to help
U need some opinion
My answer didn't help.. is ok
Im answering ur question based on the world gender situation
But u want an answer based on the u. s gender situation
I don't know... so u can disregard my answer
@lurikatia You’re answering the question wrong. You incorrectly assessed the question. No where in this question does it indicate that I’m talking about the world. Every country has different standards for relationships, male roles, and female roles. I never mentioned anything about having to have it all yet you want to take offense when I say most middle class families in 2018 have a dishwasher and try to insult me in the process.
You tried to sass me with your incorrect answer and you got caught and corrected. Don’t back track now. You read the question wrong. Sorry your plan backfired but it did. Good bye. And next time when you answer a question, try not to be so snotty in your response and so quick judge. And maybe don’t make assumptions either. You’re dismissed.
Developing nations generally have more traditional gender roles. I'm not saying this is always the case, or that it's not changing, but generally speaking, it's true. Women have a more difficult time finding work because the work needed is often more laborious.
Allie oops... u NEVER mentioned a specific COUNTRY
... Ur question is very GENERAL...
Since there's no country mentioned i based my answer on the world
Next time make ur question more specific
it would probs make dating easier for both sexes simply because there were clear and rigid expectations from each sex regarding their gender role leading to less confusion, less misunderstandings, etc.
It's not like traditional gender roles are completely eradicated, they're still there to some extent - just a lot more flexible and optional.
Women's happiness has declined expediently over the last 50 years. Why?
Because women are happier in their gender roles.
law.yale.edu/.../...iningFemaleHappiness_Dec08.pdf
Living up to the expectations that men generally have to live up to is hard and women find it difficult to do, so they become depressed.
that's only one interpretation of those findings.
@Volvagia Sure, if you need to disregard the statement to keep your view.
that's simply your claim, not even the study you cited concludes that "women are happier in their gender roles"
@Volvagia Yeah you are right, they didn't "conclusively state" that being in gender roles is what made women less happy over the last 50 years. The multivariable analysis of the data simply points to that fact.
it's not a fact though, they presented data and numerous possible explanations for that data in their analysis, it's not as unambiguous as you're making it out to be hence why the study itself didn't conclusively state anything in the first place. Again, that's your interpretation of the results.
@Volvagia Well then please give a better explanation.
From the pdf u linked: " A number of important macro trends have been documented - decreased social cohesion (Putnam 2000), increased anxiety and neuroticism (Twenge 2000), and increased household risk (Hacker 2006). While each of these trends have impacted both men and women, it is possible for even apparently gender‐neutral trends to have gender‐biased impacts if men and women respond differently to these forces."
This is an alternative explanation/theory, not a fact. Likewise, your conclusion is simply your interpretation of the results presented in that document (as I've repeated twice now), it's not a fact either because the data presented in this study in no way points to your conclusion. That's my point.
@Volvagia WHy do you think women have increased anxiety? New workloads, work stress, new expectations, more responsibilities, etc.
This is NOT "My interpretation"...
www.theguardian.com/.../womens-rights-happiness-wellbeing-gender-gap
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...n-happy-years-ago-.html
www.theatlantic.com/.../
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../...womens_b_289511.html
There are endless "interpretations" which all seem to be the same as "mine".
Your constant attempts to excuse basic knowledge show a very compartmentalized view which you don't want to open.
Well I think it might make it a little easier because I think women might need to put more effort in meeting a guy.
Cause for women in terms of surviving they kind of need to find a decent guy with a job.
In today's standards women think they're hot shit and if men don't like it they don't need them anyways because they're independent.
So it might be easier, but who knows.
I would kill myself if I had to be content with being barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. That sounds horrible. I think the only people truly satisfied with traditional gender roles when it comes to dating and marriage were men.
For me, it would be harder. I don’t want to be with someone who thinks women are inherently inferior.
It would work great if jobs paid more to their employees. Unless a man is really bundled up there’s no way he can support a whole family on minimum wage.