That guy is alright looking
He’s slightly above average
@anon15 I am as good looking or better looking than him and I find it hard to get a date
Date me if you’re above 25 lol
I'm 19. We can be just friends
Thanks so much for mho
I am like that, I am fairly handsome but don't have perfected social skills 😞 And so I've never dated anyone
I'm sorry man. What do you think you need the most work on?
I get anxiety about expressing to a girl I like her and escalating, making it clear I have feelings for her and flirting including by touch
Yeah, that can be nerve wracking. Try to asses whether she's flirtatious or interested in you. We have our tells.
I can gauge if she likes me but it's the touch part I have trouble doing, I don't want to come off wrong or weird
Fair enough. I get awkward bout touch myself. As long as a guy isn't being rough or outright groping me, I actually take comfort in touch but it can be hard to tell who's comfortable with pda. When I was in high school I used to tense up even when family members hugged me, Now I'm a big hugger lol (PDA grew on me). I guess my best advice would be to outright ask whenever you meet someone you want to touch but aren't sure about.
Like when you're leaving a hangout and a girl is clearly showing signs of interest, be like "can I get a hug goodbye?". That way she'll clearly say yes or no and you can gauge her comfort level with the thought of pda.
You dont ask for a kiss or to hold hands, that's now how human relationships work is it? You just do it when the time is right and slowly when it seems comfortable and see if they reciprocate
Well I'm not telling you to ask about kissing or holding hands, those are outright flirtatious forms of pda. Hugging can be just as platonic as it can be flirtatious and a girls comfort level with your touch can be assessed by asking for a hug in a way that won't make her feel pressured or "objectified". Especially, in case you read her attention wrong.
How good looking does he have to be you think?
A good looking guy can attract A girl only by looks. A girl, not every girl. No guy can attract every girl. Less so get any girl.Yes you might be good looking, that helps, but that's not enough to keep most good looking girls.
What about girls who are not good looking?
I think he has a better chance if the girl is not good looking , only if she doesn't think high of herself. She might think this is 'her chance'Thanks for MHO!!!
It's an honor to receive mho next to @coachTanthony
Thanks dude that means a lot!
You were right, friend-zone is the place you put yourself for not treating women as lovers.
@es20490446e Did you disagree with me or something? I can't remember... but thanks! I mean in the end if men act like a friend they become one.
@es20490446e I like this logic
No, I haven't disagreed with you. It's just that phrase was in the back of my mind, and put in practice it seems to work quite well.
@Asker, than you. Although the merit goes to the coach.
@es20490446e Gotcha cool man!
Thanks to you ✌️
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Can I get a girlfriend even if I am only 6-7/10?
yes of course you can :)
How can I convey good energy?
If you aren't there, then it just takes self development and training. the man needs to convey positive energy to the woman or he's toast. That energy comes from what you are thinking and your emotional state... self confidence, self worth, your view of your value you have to offer. Boost all that! Lots of great videos to review over rand over on this. A few tips that helped me get to a better state:Learn the concept of "I don't give a F". releases you from trapped viewpoint and negativity and stop caring what others think.Realize you probably have emotional love wounds that need healed, meditate on positive thoughts and replace those old wounds with positive.Journal.. write out feelings, experiences and re-work truth into them.Image - create image of yourself in a higher state, like model after another animal... pick one, write down that animals attributes and embody them. Ex. Elephant... confidence, strength, power, gentleness, etc.. Imagine that animal, embody those! It's all inner work of self.. then you have something positive to give and they WILL FEEL that and respond better.Go out and talk to people in positive ways, build a mental database of rapport... write it down... how it felt, what came up (deal with that crap), number how you felt... make a log of successes and build and build. Go out of your comfort zone (stress builds courage!) and don't fear failure, take the value and build experience. ... continued...
Most of all for me, it is to have something to give. I always have things in mind I can share and start a conversation and entertain.Take the thing that is above your shoulders and remove it, it's a mess. Shift your energy down to your heart and 3ft below that. That is much smarter stuff to connect to a female. Think out of that stuff. Female MUST know that you desire her, that's what she is trying to figure out. I know you think... creepy... no... when energy is right, she responds correctly. Fix stuff above first.Then you can learn how to conclude this positive engagement to move the relationship forward. They will still be females and test you and challenge. You must understand female psychology so study it and how to deal with them. They are that way for a reaosn, not going to change them, but once you realize how they are, do some training on how to handle and respond, will be 10x better off. Bottom line... they are looking for emotional strength! It's where most of us fail these days. They are better off not mating than having a weak mate,... think about their view, it makes sense.lmk if that didn't cover it. I'll eventually write a take on workouts you can do for thislmk if that helps, makes sense.
Is that test and challenge, sh*t test stuff real? If so, what's the point? And can't a girl just not do it as we get to know each other and trust each other? And do you think us guys are testing girls too? I wonder if we are. Maybe subconsciously. Yes, you should do a take on these things, that would be helpful.
It is very real. They HAVE to do this to filter out those with emotional strength. They can't mate with 50 guys and raise 100 kids. They have to narrow down to one man who will stay with them even when they are difficult moody bit@3es, food is scarce, and the damn springs are hot... volcano gonna blow? What now? You pack and run... not be depressed cause your olive trees are failing! (Pompie!:) He will work to provide even when it is difficult and not break down emotionally... it's all about raising those kids over 30 years. It's hard, they know it over 50k years... the ones in the bars... they are the survivors.. rest died years ago. They will test you up front, they will continually test you at times to make sure you still love them. It isn't just the words but the EMOTION you convey that gets the message across. That is where you, and I had to grow... too in my head, had to get to the heart... then it works much better.Now they choose Badboy... it's an error! They are emotional, they see the emotion they want, the fact he's a user gets lost.. they are not logical. I'd love to find a way to fix that... a lot of it is fathers building self esteem, but that's not enough... natural female attraction at 16-21 is for the hot guy... often, not always. Watch cheergirl38139 out here as an example of another scenario, she will verbally/written chew the hell out of any male using her quick witted sarcasm. That's a deeper thing, but in my view still a test which will weed out only those with thick skin. I'm not so sure guys test girls, haven't thought about that so much. I don't see it, do you? I've never challenged a girl? It is more that i figure out by my perceived value if I think it's worth it. e. g. had a girl throw herself at me, drunk, not too bad looking, I could have had what I wanted. But I know that is a heap of trouble, I don't mess with any drunk female, I know she was too aggressive, bad sign. I was right... she melted down 2hr later.
First off I don't even want kids. Second if a guy can be upfront a girl can be upfront about what she wants and her desires, it is her responsibility in a relationship. I really don't see the meaning in putting up with a girls tests just for sex, love is more important to me honestly. I'm going to find a girl who loves me for me and doesn't do that. No excuse for testing. And I am a fairly good looking guy also, so that should help. Or I can always become a bad boy as that seems to work alright
That's fine you know what you want, curently.. r. I would have said the same you age (and changed it now.. too late). I'm not positive every one will test you.. only the ones with highest self confidence could do so. Bad boy is easy way out, but not necessary... they are tested as well, they just know how to get around them. Be the best you, honestly, that is what the women are trying to challenge you to be. and they will challenge you in your relatinship if they see your potential beyond what you are living. It's a gift they give... the friction is necessary for growth. There's sweet/or healthy girls out here who may not test hard, I see them. but wouldn't know until meet them.
I'll find one of the sweet and healthy girls. In fact I'll test for a sweet and healthy girl who doesn't test. And are you sure they test for you to live up to your potential? It doesn't seem like it comes from a good place
They do. Women are all about the offspring and their protection. They can lose one easy... they want a guy who understands and can give them love... even when they are bitches... maybe you haven't experienced this yet... but their moods are awful! And a man that can love and care for her and respond to this... watch this: www.facebook.com/.../They have few shots to get the best strongest offspring, they are goign to filter just like we filter for physical beauty. They know the game (makeup, clothes, look good), we seem to not know the game... it's emotional strength. There are girls who will go for "softer" guys, they prob feel more safe for whatever reason... maybe dad was soft, or he was mean and they rebelled against that. that prob what you want if you don't want to change, can't guarantee if she stays... because deep inside if you go depressed and energy drops when she bitches, she's gonna become insecure, then it goes bad. you may just have to date to learn. Look for girls here who are sweet and talk to them...
Yeah I'll just go for one of the girls who had a soft dad or something and doesn't mind a soft guy, and we'll both make progress together
that's fine. if you are saying though you don't think you can take a test from a woman... then you have a problem:) I'm telling you right now... the women are doing you a service who test you, but I know it doesn't feel that way. They are trying to grow you into a man. we (you and I ) used to go in the wilderness and deal with some tough crap, and sleigh a beast and make coats out of it and dinner. Our training now is... anti-training. As you go up the work ladder, you will need that emotional toughness. Or you can choose to stay where you are, which is what I did for many years.. no shame in that, ready when you are ready and you are sick of the old you. My shy introverted computer geek self worked fantastic for 15 years of work... then it caused problems. And I bombed with relationships, that was contributor. Let those women test you since you don't care about them at all, make it a workout! feel that pain... it should not exist, and that is the point!keep in touch, but I don't know who you are.
No sane guy wants to decode a barrage of mental and emotional tests, that are manipulating him, like a game
But a good personality makes him a keeper...
Of course, but looks matter as much as personality. I wouldn't give someone I don't find attractive a chance.
Thank god I am above average in looks
9teen I agree with this. I can't be into a guy if I'm not physically attracted to him. They have to have both. Looks and personality. I won't be with a guy who is nice, but has an unattractive physique, basically not my type. And I won't be with a guy who is gorgeous on the outside, but has the personality of a brick wall.
@dmmmmm01888 It's over for me. Where can I find a girl who will?
Asker, sorry just saw this. Unfortunately, I don't know. That's not easy to find. This is coming from someone whose been in three unsuccessful relationships. I can't really help you.
@dmmmmm01888 Well you are right, I am handsome but need to work on my personality. How can I start? Any ideas would be appreciated
And later in life too, I hope to be that
I just need a nose job and I will be turning heads
Serious, I will be
I have good face but weak body, but yeah don't see many alphas around
then lift weights if u dont want weak body
I rarely see handsome guys in public, only in movies
Do you think a girl could love a boy who looked like an alien?
Sure dude sure
The boys new hairstyles every day will keep the girl interested
That's too much money spent on something that won't work in a long run.
It's too superficial. Girls get attracted to looks but if she doesn't like your personality too, she won't stick around.
True, a combo of looks and personality is good
Well I thought you were, many girls comments talk about liking handsome guys first
How come I don't believe that, all these girls thirsting after the really good looking guys
Not true, that's not true for all women, but maybe for some, for good hearted women it's not
Sounds like you've gotten burned before
@dmmmmm01888 That's what I was thinking
Actually it is very true, unfortunately. I worked with a girl that was 16 when she got with a 26 year old guy. She had 3 kids with him. Her mom accusex him of sexually assaulting her neice. Of course becauze she " loved" him said i know him better than that to think he would ever do something like that. To which i said he sought you out at 26 when you were only 16. Uhm there's your evidence right there. Of course that only pissed her off. And he denied, denied, denied till the cops started squeezing him. And then eventually he admitted it. Now he's in prison thank god. And this story does have a happy ending. She found a guy who accepted ber and her 3 kids ( her age btw). And they've been happuly married for about a decade.But this just shows you how when a woman wants a guy/ has feelings for him all common sense goes out the window and they're not only willing to believe any lie but will willfully ignore any truth.
Yeah I get what you're saying. But that's how it is for young naive girls.
Do you think a girl will like me?
How am I supposed to know?
Because I want to be good enough for one girl
I am almost an 8, 7 to 7.5 I would say. Think anything above a 6 is good for girls and guys
Is something relative but I agree.
What do you mean?
That the standards we measure our our self and others is relative.
So there's no objective 8/10?
Do you think a girl would like me?
I am alien looking
Lol girls have said I'm handsome and good looking before on online dating and a guy I knew said I could model, and a lyft driver said I have a good face, but I still don't think I'm at the good looks level. How good looking does he have to be?
If people tell you that then you must really be good looking. I always have a crush on guys with a handsome/pretty face as long as you aren’t short then you’re just perfect.
Wow fuck that's prejudiced, yes I am I'm only 5'6 to 5'7 that's probably why I don't get a lot of in real life attention, but yeah facially I am like a 7/10, maybe 7.5 at my best
But some girls care more for personality?
Yeah I know that but here's a example. If your in a bar you see two different girls smiling at you. Ones like a 10 super pretty and the other well she's pretty plain looking. Which one you going to be first attracted to. Maybe done the line you'll realise the plain looking girl has a great personality and you like her better but if it came to purely just attraction alone the really pretty girl would probably get your attraction first but then she maybe a horrible person and you brake up with her. What I'm trying to say is that looks are usually the first things that attracts people but down the line you have to have a good personality
I see, and if a guy has a good face that helps him
Yes that would get him noticed
Great, now all I need is to work on my inner confidence and personality
Yeah same I kind of get that with girls
You need a lot
Yea basically looks will only intrest them for a bit and if you don’t have a high paying job see you later?
Well that’s how women are. Think about it do men every say you have to be above 6ft to date me lol or have a check list. Men never ask what job you have on the first date , because we actually care about the person and not how much they make. We don’t ask what car do you drive and judge them if they have a bad car or don’t drive. Only women do that shit so they can show off to other women saying look my boyfriend is rich
You need to find a good woman
I have a flat personality
I am going to rise to that level
Y-You can't. That kind of power is only whispered amongst the gods.. This is madness!
I will be the first, brad Pitt was the first actually but I will be the second, I just need a nose job
Your insane! Has the thought of such power corrupted you already?
Yes, I am going to become an aesthetics emperor. All uglies will be thrown to the majestic dragon, I shall not have trolls in my kingdom
xd Good luck. You'll need it.
Oh and you're going to take me down
Is it primarily the face?
The body definitely plays a role, but the face affects my impressions more
Exactly what I meant in my comment but shorter😂
@guccitaee230 Thank you girl 😉
To go on a date with him
Well in that case no, unless the girl is just looking for a guy to make her boyfriend or ex jealous
So girls are pretty simple?
Humans are pretty simple
But after a handsome guy has attracted a girl he needs a good personality to be able to keep her
No girls are not pretty simple. You have to keep them interested
@dosiax It's done for me, this is too complex
Yea. Takes some practice :)
@dosiax Why don't girls try to interest guys?
They do if they find you hotter than themselves. Otherwise they are used to guys chasing them so they expect you to interest them.
@dosiax Well I'll just go for an average or below average girl
You don't need to put any work in when you're brad Pitt level
He has had many failed relationships.
Not when he was young, girls probably followed him around and he dated a new girl every week
@AskerI know a lot of women that do not consider Brad Pitt good looking one bit.
@MysteriousDarkness How? I thought he is synonymous with good looks
You look wonderful, you must really take care of your appearance. Let's hope you have good character
I don't see why not
I am handsome but short
Initially looks are all that matters to any gender. Anyone that says different is kidding themselves. But first impressions are just that.
@ChiTown33 What can I do about my nose? I don't like it. The rest of my face is good, hair lips eyes jawline cheekbones, but my nose isn't perfect
Dude you don't have to look perfect. If all those other things are good you're probably fine. Girls don't necessarily want perfection anymore than guys do. And certain traits can be endearing.
@ChiTown33 Maybe, I am short for a guy though so everything helps. But would you advise me to get a nose job or just leave it as it is?
If it were me i'd leave it. The only way i'd change it is if you were horribly disfigured. And that made impossible for you to raise your self esteem.
@ChiTown33 It keeps me from having celebrity level looks
Well i would say your only problem then is your narcissism then. lol
@ChiTown33 The only way I feel I can get a partner is if I have the looks of brad pitt
don't date anymore lol women are not worth it MGTOW
lol if I am 6-7/10 I can still get a 4-5/10 girl. I wonder how the average and below average guys deal
they are called incels
But I read only 20 percent of men are in the 6 or above section. Wow that means 80 percent are out of luck. Thank god I am at least a 6 to a 7
no 50% of men get laid but most women chase after the top 20%WHICH IS BASICALLY A 9 OUT OF 10
I think girls are stupid how many guys that are 9s have you seen in your lifeLIKE BARELY ANY
No top 20 percent is like 7 out of 10 I think, maybe 6. I only saw one 8 out of 10 guy in the last few weeks out of like 1000. Even me I am probably only like 6-7 I still only see like 5 to 10 guys who stand out a day. Good looking guys are rare
no when you actually look at it YOU MUST BE A 9think about it all the girls chase after 1 GUY when you were in school ALL THE GIRLS FOUGHT OVER 1 GUY lolthink about it logically
There are no 9's walking around. They only exist in Hollywood. But yes if you have to be a 9 to get a date most guys are done for. In fact 95 percent of guys are done for. Maybe I can find a very unattractive girl who won't mind dating me
its just in school they will go for the hottest guy who is close but if a new guy comes in who i hotter guess what he loses out lolgirls are stupidbut at the same timeGIRLS ALSO WANT TO BE FUCKEDso they will find men in the average section
Not all girls are like that
It's for losers
thats why its growing and getting larger EVERYDAYonly simps are to stupid to not believe MGTOW
No it's stupid, I look more like the guy on the right in that video anyway, I have hollow cheeks, narrow positive tilt eyes, brown hair
who cares IT'S NOT ABOUT LOOKSthat is just ONE SECTION OF MGTOWthat is like 10% of MGTOW there is a whole other 90%you still gotta look at wow people are dumb
Condense the other 90 percent for me
1) hypergamy 2) monkey branching3) do women care about men4) society against men5) women invading male space6) simp vs redpill7) women license to loot8) how women think9) working on yourself and how to do itthat's not even all of the info lolbut the person has to actually SIT THE HECK DOWN and listen
It will happen to me
Sure, if you're hot enough that you can get by on just your looks
I want to be
Cool, I mean true good looks are natural but you can definitely work on it!
Yes like do what?
Hit the gym, take care of your skin, be fashion conscious, get a good haircut, style facial hair, but most importantly of all don't let it turn you into an asshole; being a good person that is smoking hot will net you the women 9/10
I don't care about 9/10 girls, I can't even manage to date a girl who is average looking
No I meant it works 9 times of out ten... should of put it better I suppose
Yes but you have to be handsome and have a good character, that's the best
True, looks will open many doors for you but a good character keeps them open
yes, exactly. Let me ask you- what would you say 7/10 is?
Personally to me, as a person that would consider the ugliest person going a 10/10 if they made me laugh, I would say a well proportioned body and a cute smile, great sense of humor and a dorky personality. You?
You know I never thought personality factored into that 1-10 scale, I thought it was just face, but yeah now that I'm thinking about a 7/10 all together has a nice hairstyle, naturally good skin, bright eyes that smile when she smiles, and is fairly extroverted, or at least to me I like extroverted friendly girls. What do you mean a dorky personality?
Yeah the 1-10 scale is used to rate very aspect of a person under one rating, it's like doing low level maths. A dorky kind of personality to me is someone that can laugh at herself when she screws up, can just be silly and wild without feeling like and idiot and she is happy playing the clown when needs be.
Sweet, I like a girl who is able to be well like you said silly and fun to be around, doesn't take life seriously, and especially could calm you down if you're stressed. She's relaxed.
Ideal woman :)
If you are attractive sure, even if you aren’t you can still get an ugly woman
I am handsome, girls have told me so, but few girls look my way, even less attractive girls don't show much interest in me. I will have some asking out to do
Then go ahead
Sorry if I sounded self indulgent
@Aphrodite8789 I can't even do that, every woman is out of my league, no woman wants to date a guy who is 1 or 2/10 in looks
@LonelyIntovert Cosmetic surgery man. And you are not a 2, you could easily be a 5 with the right haircut and a better picture. Your nose and skin look fine, and your eyes are good.
Yes but right now every woman is out of my league because it is easy for women to make themselves more physically attractive.
There are women that are 1 and 2s In looks too
Yeah you should find a girl your level, and yes women can make themselves look better but every one of us guys has to deal with that. You can be a 5 at least dude
No dude I look like I should be living as a hermit in a cave somewhere
@Aphrodite8789 I have told you before there is no possible way that any woman is in my league I'm a 1/10 that's no possible.
@LonelyIntovert I knew a girl once who was like a 3 or 2 and I've seen other let's say homely, girls. In fact there is an ugly people's dating site called ugly schmucks, and also one called ugly bug ball. Also there are people called sapiosexuals who are only attracted to people's intelligence, and don't care about looks, and there is indeed a dating site for them called Sapio
Gives me so much hope
There's hope for me
And why not?
I mean in the starting stages
That's for me,, I have this colleague that is super good looking but as soon as he opened his mouth, only poo came out of it... Such a turn off
Lol ok I'll keep it in mind
But it doesn't mean he can keep em
Am I at level? I have light brown eyes, brown hair, olive skin, strong jawline, high cheekbones, pleasant lips... those are my good features at least
@Asker describing how you look means nothung if tgey can not see how you look.
@MysteriousDarkness I just want to get the image out