I guess it depends on where you live. (Age may be a factor as well). Around here there are thousands of single guys with the 5 factors you mentioned above, in a small to medium sized city. That creates to serious competition. You have to find some way to set yourself apart from the crowd or you get nothing.
@WalterBlack yea, I could see that. Like in NYC having your own vehicle doesn't actually make sense. Even DC to some extent. I don't think age is really a factor tho, outside of how it pertains to the other factors. Like if you're 21-25 with roommates or with Mom and Dad, that's more understandable than being 40 living with mom and dad or with roommates unless the area is very expensive like NYC. I imagine the average person in NYC has at least 1 roommate because of the cost of living.
@WalterBlack wow. men think the above traits are "competition." priceless. y'all think that having a secure job flipping burgers and being "moderately" good looking is going to make you a part of the top 20% of men? wow. top 20% of men are those that are 10/10 in all qualities. model-type men with tons of cash, a Porsche, and a mansion. but i don't think 80 percent of women care about those type of men. unless they are golddiggers of course.
@DianaWest: 20% of men don't fit your description, probably less than 0.5%.
Probably best not to engage her to be honest. She either missed the point or is ignoring the point, because she has her own agenda.
Still, if you are not in the top 50% of guys, it is basically a waste of time to look for a woman unless your standards are low.
That i would say is much closer to being accurate, but not completely accurate.
I am in the bottom 20 %
So if you're not in the top 50%, what's wrong with hanging with a 4 or 5 level girl? There are a lot of nice girls at that level. Many make great companions. Some may think they deserve a level 10 guy, but deep inside they know they're not level 10 material. That's why I'm not totally convinced of hypergamy.
I would try to hang out with a 4 girl but I feel they wouldn’t want anything to do with me
@Wally48 because "4 and 5 level" girls (very odd phrase) are included in the 80% of women who go after only the top men.
@SpearsAndStones Yes but I’m like a 6 and had a 7 girl talking to me happily this morning, and she was talking to a 5 guy before me.. Of course, I want surgery to become an 8
I am only a 6/10 on face, not enough to get a date
Looks aren’t everything my friend
Yes they are
@AJC997 no they aren't
I swear to you they are important
No one said they’re not important.
Spot on, lady! Hear, hear! Too many men resent women for their natural instinct to procreate with the finest stock of us. If they directed their resentment inward, instead, the smarter ones would find that they could ALWAYS do something to improve their condition.
@Mr1987Joe That’s why I want a nose job and to hire a personal trainer once I have a lot of money
@AJC997 First off, I get the feeling that you're not nearly as ugly as you think you are, so don't get a fucking nose job, dude. That's retarded.Second, getting a personal trainer is given, but this is 2019. We have self-driving cars, robot dogs, vegetarian cheeseburgers, and YouTube. There's are all kinds of cardio workouts on there that you can follow along with for free, and plenty of personal trainers plying their trade for the same. Look up a guy called Athlene-X. He's very knowledgeable.
@Mr1987Joe I’m not ugly, no, but what else could I spend that 6 or 7’000 dollars on that would improve my chances of getting into a relationship?And yeah I guess you’re right, a personal trainer is overrated since there’s exercises on YouTube. I really want to build my clavicles so I can look a little more built and bigger, have more physical presence
@AJC997 How about taking it and opening up a savings account to show a lady that you're not impulsive and fiscally responsible?Well, the clavicle is a bone, not a muscle. So, that's not going to work out, too well. Also, do not focus on any specific muscle. Perform a varied regimen that hits your entire body. Don't fall into the trap of obsessing about your appearance. Work on your athleticism, and your bodily aesthetics will be an endearing side-effect of your devotion.
@Mr1987Joe Yes I might open up an account next weekend
@AJC997 You can work out on your own using a far less expensive gym, walking and biking. Unless your nose is damaged through boxing or an accident, live with and love yourself. Maybe after doing general improvements and boosting your confidence, you'll find you don't have to spend thousands of dollars on flaws that are deeply unimportant. Look healthy, dress nicely, use your brains and personality. Those are the keys to attraction.
@Screenwriter @AJC997 Words of wisdom. Listen to the lady, bud.
@Mr1987Joe I am flattered, Mr. Joe. I'd offer you a cup of Joe, if I could... Regards.
@Screenwriter OoOo... That sounds good. I'm making coffee, now.
@AJC997: on another thread, I mentioned dance lessons. Women love guys that can dance and the lessons will make you more confident.
@Logorithim Damn straight.
Dancing is a neglected skill. Because my very young son took ballet lessons, he learned how to be a good skate boader. I claim leading him to that. He was chosen to go to a dance academy. But he'd had enough. Went for more traditional music. You might learn an instrument or language too. Travel abroad.
@Screenwriter: Agreed on all points. I would recommend French in particular as a language to target.
You are just trying to woo me, aren't you Logo! French is a hard one though. It's like learning a new version of English. Lots of irregular verbs, silent pronounciations. It's a devil. Very pretty though. Visiting France makes learning the language worthwhile. A lovely city Paris, beautiful Loire Valley where so many wines are cultivated...
@Screenwriter: my mother taught French at the high school level. The language was my first love because I had not had a girlfriend when I first had it in school.
Sorry for interrapting you guys. But do you see what are they doing to you. They are creating a smoke screen and they are pretty good with it. They bombard you with a lot of nice ideas which makes sense on what girls like and how beautiful is someone , but what they actually doing they are distracting you from the fact that its 12p. m and that a lpt of drunk 10/10 girls are walking on the street ready to suck your dick. On the other side your writing here and thinking about how your face look instead of banging this girls right now. What am i doing here wtf
Ok so you're argument is that, unattractive men, who women are attracted to are just making up that women aren't attracted to them because they're, in your own words, unattractive. Yeah tell US about cognitive fallacies.The idea that every man has a chance is mostly just something women love to hang onto to make themselves feel better.
@SpearsAndStones I have no idea what you just said.
@SpearsAndStones Would you date a 300-pound woman sweetheart? please. as if men don't have standards.
@DianaWest A) You're positing a straw-man argument. I didn't say that women weren't allowed to have standards, I said that the original commenter's argument was fallacious. Really don't know where you got that. You're probably not that bright and don't have great informational literacy or reading skills... whoops :/B) I actually would date women who are overweight and obese, and have tried to date obese women before. Not that many, but you don't fucking know me, so don't talk like you do. Unlike people who think you have a solid argument here, I wouldn't hear one trait about someone (i. e. "300 pounds") and then disqualify them.
@SpearsAndStones By the way... Your comment (the reply to my opinion) was completely nonsensical. Please try again.
@latinabutterfly96I would date a chubby girl too
@SpearsAndStones wow. look at all those intellectual words you are using to display your high level of intelligence. i am truly flabbergasted that you spent so much time consulting the dictionary to mould the perfect response for someone who doesn't actually care as much as you'd hope. i am actually quite bright. i have a 4.0 GPA in a top 20 university. people who attack others' character and suggest erroneous things like "you are not bright" without having any proof are hypocritical. tell me again about the straw man?
@DianaWest There is a lot to unpack here, but I'll start with, if you claim to be intelligent, you DEFINITELY aren't. You still didn't really understand I read. And you don't know what a straw-man argument is, so if you're going to make fun of someone else for having a large vocabulary, you might want to make sure when you try to do the same thing, you use words correctly, otherwise it comes across as SUPER funny when you try to use a word you don't know and then fuck it up right after you told us all about how intelligent you are.
@SpearsAndStones i'd love to continue this back and forth squabble with you, but i'll just let you feed your own ego.
I'm assuming dateability
And 80% of women that they want or that want them?
That want them
I dont think that they'd want 80% of the women that want them. That number seems high.
That is one of the points I made above
Ok, I was just stating my opinion after gathering more information.
I was thinking the same
@brittslitt Can I ask you a question?
@brittslitt men's standards aren't like women's. The statsitic by the way isn't that 20% of men have 80% of women, but that 20% of men account for 80% of women's sexual encounters. So it's just a bunch of women having sex with the same guys. Not guys who have 80% of women
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I think most men are
@AJC997 then there wouldn’t be 8 billion people on earth. I can’t belive you guys are that stupid. I definitely believe that on average women are smarter than men
Well at least I am
A study was done that showed the average man had a higher body count than the average woman. If that’s true obviously this crap top % theory is false.
What about men in the bottom 20 percent
@AJC997 can you not read?
www.google.com/.../nearly-1-in-3-american-men-aged-18-29-didnt-have-sex-in-2018%3f_amp=trueI'm pretty sure this is on an increase in other Western countries as well just food for thought :)
@Stevied93 Yeah unless I have incredibly good looks I’m not going to get a date
@AJC997 Average looks and intelligence will get you dates. Above average personality and manners will ASSURE you will date until there is nothing left of you but bones. If you survive to old age and never marry, you will have 10 women to your one you. NEVER DATELESS.
@Screenwriter Thank you. I’m going to try to be more social and outgoing but it’s hard because of my voice
@AJC997 the pity party is annoying. You see average and ugly men and women get dates.
I’m not doing a pity party, I’m telling about my desire for self improvement
@AJC997 you’re definitely throwing a pity party. Only person that’s stopping you from getting a date is you
I guess so. You’re right, but doesn’t change my desire for a new nose
You’re absolutely right
@AJC997 First the nose or plastic surgery, NOW the voice. You have got to give up on this incessant self criticism. Unless you SQUEAK or talk like MIchael Jackson, I'm sure your voice is within normal parameters..
@Screenwriter You’re right. No it’s kind of hard to hear me but it’s fine, it’s not that bad, and I can be heard if I really really want to. But I don’t want to be in pity anymore
This doesn't account for long term dating and relationships though... just the sexual market place. That AJ can find a girlfriend easily if he just gets the right mindset
@Full_Metal_Jacket What doesn’t account for long term?
I've just told you lol... friends with benefits and one night stands. You also have the females who are in relationships who also don't cheat, then the rest of the single women having sex with the top 20% but the bottom 20% of females don't get Chad and you're the one chasing landwhales unfortunately.
No, im simply asking about what's said by others.
I am one part of the 80% then.
Same here bud
I think 80 percent of guys are single
@AJC997 Certainly in your age range.
@Screenwriter Ouch. And I am not even ugly
@AJC997 That statement simply means MANY young men and women are single. It is no judgement against their quality as people. People hook up later in life. In their mid and late twenties to their 30s in general.
@Screenwriter Well I said guys and you said certainly in your age range so I took it to mean you just thought guys were single
Not with today's cost of living.
They do.. a guy will take a pretty chick with low income over an obese CEO with diabetes
Women on the other hand prefer status and emotion over looks
LOL, high income women rarely date down. Most guys will want the higher income woman, though.
Women in general dont date down. we all want a man with status. If that say they dont they're lying
Yes. I think most men would rather women prefer that too.
Men don't care about a womans income
Not sure what social circles you run in, but you better believe that men do care about that.
Men only care about looks.
Men, men who are wealthy can afford a woman.
Lmao. Here we go.
Its the truth
You're just inexperienced
I don’t disagree.
Looks like my post says you're lying🤷🏼♀️.. stop lying and being fake for gag
Wheres Robert from? nice tan and hair
😂. I’m in Southern California.
@robert what is your ethnicity?
@brittslitt Guess first.
Native American or latino
Psynax is a troll
Good guess. I’m Spanish, Italian, British, Croatian and Native American.
You seem like a nice person but if G@G is any indication the number of women that as you say "would not like" but would still be willing to accept being a guys 2nd,3rd, or 4th, is higher than you think. Lol
That did not stop cheating from happening or divorces being invented for additional resource extraction.
@Unit1 it didn't stop it, but it was a hell lot better than what preceded it
Correction. That's why we invented arranged marriages.Since the middle ages if a man slept with a woman unless he was much higher social class than her he was obligated to marry her. You couldn't sleep around unless you were extremely clever about it or part of the 1%This assured that most men and women got married since the number of people that could be a player in any given city and get away with it could be counted on one hand.