This is based on a single article from Tinder algorithm rankings. Since guys tend to be thirstier, the top 80% of women have higher ratings than the bottom 80% of men. While there definitely is a lot of mismatch, this is largely an idea pushed by incels blaming society for their problems.
I think it has some truth to it although it would only apply to casual sex and I don't know of I would say it's 80/20.
I think guys are overall less selective than women are when it comes to casual sex than women are and that the distribution of casual hookups is more evenly spread on the female side while for men it is probably more skewed towards the more conventionally desirable guys getting most of the casual sex.
Now a guy who is an 8 probably isn't going to hookup with a girl who is a 2 or 3 but I think a lot of them are willing to sleep with 5s or 6s if its just a one night stand of if she's a side chick. At least they are more willing to do so than a girl who is an 8 would be to hookup with a guy who is a 5 or 6.
I think the top 20% speaking in terms of looks and dominance character traits are the ones 98% of girls want to fuck. Strictly fuck. I think the other 80% are the ones girls want to make babies with and play house with.
I think ideally they want a guy who is attractive, is dominant in personality AND is a good provider, potential father and life partner. However it’s often difficult to find a good blend between the to so they will opt for the typical pussy whipped “nice” guy type to settle down with. You know.. the agreeable and attentive guy. But to fuck... well Conan the Barbarian or some super stud is who makes their pussies wet and who they crave for raw sex appeal.
In Ancient Rome... women would literally pay top dollar to fuck gladiators. The typical “alpha” (god I cringe using that word, but must for lack of better terms) male.
No different for guys. There’s Ms. Right, and Ms. Right Now.
i know. i see people thinking "wow, they're so hot." and then i'm like, really? cause i just saw some pregnant woman in the parking lot sporting a makeup-less face and she still looks better than this "top" woman.
Pareto's law (80/20) rule only applies to the sexual market place and not long term dating/relationships. It's only true when it comes to friends with benefits and ONS because females chase after all the physically hot guys for sex. That's where your inequality is because you have Chad's plate spinning many harems of females in his social circle.
You've misquoted the statistic. It's "20% of guys have 80% of the sex", which I do believe is true. The best, most successful men get laid more than the average dude, however I also think the girls who'd fuck them with no strings attached are likely getting passed around between that 20%. In other words it stands to reason that the same 20% of guys is fucking the same 20% of girls en masse more often than most people in their daily relationships.
No. The math does not work out. Of that were true than bery few men would get married.
God is merciful - I have seen guys that make Shrek look handsome. Guys who are poor , weird, unemployed, have funny habits. Guys older than me with very limited experience. Yet by the grace of God they pull.
Yes , If you look good and have money it is very easy. But the idea that you have to be rich and Brad Pitt to get any pussy at all is an incel idea.
There have always been men who were chronically non-celibate or unhappily without a person, but it seems that it exacerbated into a bigger epidemic since at least my generation or so. But who knows, I guess.
No, I don't think so. They tend to be picky about who they date and their personality is usually "meh" so they scare away that 80% of women. In reality, people date within their status, wether it is socially, professionally, emotionally, financially or a mix of them.
Everyone knows the average woman is receiving hundreds of matches on apps like Tinder. The average man only receives 3-6 in a week if he comes off as interesting. If you're in that top 20% of men who make the most money and are the best looking, you will receive more matches and have many more sexual options to choose from. This is true whether you're on a dating app or talking to women in person. Women like attractive men who can provide for them.
The 80/20 rule is about sex and it's clear to anyone with eyeballs that it's true.
@Stevied93 So men are now experiencing dry spells at the same rate as women? Wow, that really proves.. what does that prove again I’m lost as to why you’d post that here?
Not really, I just told you that men are willing to pay for sex much less do it for free, if the tables where turned and women payed for sex every guys would be getting laid. Are you understanding what I’m saying?
@chris_987 Men pay for sex from prostitutes. Women who are not prostitutes are not engaging in sex to simply have sex. That's the difference between men and women. Women who are not sex workers do not engage in sex willy nilly. Some men will pay to do so rather than go without. Women in general would rather not jeopardize their reputations. The double standard is alive and well.
Well the reason why Certain men pay for prostitutes is because they can’t get sex from women. So they have to pay for it. Women can get sex from both men and women without any money being exchanged. The only reason why women don’t go around trying to get sex from men is because they don’t want that they want a relationship. And In order for a women to get a relationship she has to have a man show love for her first. So if having a relationship is something you can’t force then women won’t get that, but they can get sex easier than a man which is my point.
@Robertcw Even with the best protection, there is the threat of pregnancy. The double standard still exists. A woman who sleeps around is not a stud, she's a whore. And an UNPAID one. More denigration. Engaging in random sex exposes one to STDs that could impact fertility. Sex is more of a pair bonding endeavor for women because they are child bearers. Women's bodies urge them to remain pregnant to keep the race going. Men are wham bang because they are "seeders." Does anyone want to sleep with someone who has hundreds of notches in their belts? It sounds like they don't and can't connect, and that sex is their only goal. Sounds pretty shallow and emotionally bankrupt.
Thing is, I believe that if a person simply had the opportunity to try things out for themselves first hand they’d be able to discover whether or not they feel emotionally bankrupt or not.
Issue is many men are never given the opportunity to see for themselves.
I believe it's true that 20% of the guys are having 80% of the sex, and there is a solid evolutionary reason why. Are 20% of the guys getting 80% of the women? I think it depends on age. Young women can be very choosey on what men they want to date/have sex with, but as women get older their attractiveness fades and are forced to lower their standards if they want to have sex or date (if they're not already tied down), especially as men's attractiveness stays pretty much the same for most of their life
In some aspects, but not entirely. People are unlike animals as we have many other qualitied to go about rather than who is the strongest, fastest, who has the best plumage or most majestic horns; we are far more diverse and selecting a mate based solely on physical appearances is almost never done. So, the top 20% would need to bring a lot more to the table for them to be able to pull 80% of women.
Whether or not they get 80% of the women, they certainly have access to 80% of the women. The top 20% of men probably don't want 80% of the women. They probably want the top 20% of women, but they could easily have any of 80% of women in the blink of an eye.
No. Say there's a hypothetical world with 100 men and 100 women. I just don't buy that 20 men are going to be romantically/ sexually involved with 80 of the women. That might be plausible in 19th century Utah but not as a general proposition.
Yes... people are highly hypergamic, not only women. Attractive women will tell you horror stories about weird admiration of less attractive guys as well. Maybe "... get 80% of the women" is the wrong term, what you get is their attention that you sometimes don't want.
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This is based on a single article from Tinder algorithm rankings. Since guys tend to be thirstier, the top 80% of women have higher ratings than the bottom 80% of men. While there definitely is a lot of mismatch, this is largely an idea pushed by incels blaming society for their problems.
Well, regardless of what anybody thinks or feels, that is exactly what all the data shows to be the case.
"Great" data. No information about what the axis are.
@Unit1 Learn how to Google, you sad sack. Quit expecting people to hold your hand.
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Tossing insults at me isn't doing any good ya school kid but that would be entirely your problem.
I think it has some truth to it although it would only apply to casual sex and I don't know of I would say it's 80/20.
I think guys are overall less selective than women are when it comes to casual sex than women are and that the distribution of casual hookups is more evenly spread on the female side while for men it is probably more skewed towards the more conventionally desirable guys getting most of the casual sex.
Now a guy who is an 8 probably isn't going to hookup with a girl who is a 2 or 3 but I think a lot of them are willing to sleep with 5s or 6s if its just a one night stand of if she's a side chick. At least they are more willing to do so than a girl who is an 8 would be to hookup with a guy who is a 5 or 6.
I think the top 20% speaking in terms of looks and dominance character traits are the ones 98% of girls want to fuck. Strictly fuck. I think the other 80% are the ones girls want to make babies with and play house with.
I think ideally they want a guy who is attractive, is dominant in personality AND is a good provider, potential father and life partner. However it’s often difficult to find a good blend between the to so they will opt for the typical pussy whipped “nice” guy type to settle down with. You know.. the agreeable and attentive guy. But to fuck... well Conan the Barbarian or some super stud is who makes their pussies wet and who they crave for raw sex appeal.
In Ancient Rome... women would literally pay top dollar to fuck gladiators. The typical “alpha” (god I cringe using that word, but must for lack of better terms) male.
No different for guys. There’s Ms. Right, and Ms. Right Now.
What a lot of people think of top men and top women aren’t really top at all.
Quite true
i know. i see people thinking "wow, they're so hot." and then i'm like, really? cause i just saw some pregnant woman in the parking lot sporting a makeup-less face and she still looks better than this "top" woman.
This is legit called the Zipf Mystery and it applies to pretty much everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCn8zs912OESo yes it is legit.
Pareto's law (80/20) rule only applies to the sexual market place and not long term dating/relationships. It's only true when it comes to friends with benefits and ONS because females chase after all the physically hot guys for sex. That's where your inequality is because you have Chad's plate spinning many harems of females in his social circle.
I think even that is not accurate.
How so? You do have the females who are in relationships and the other females (bottom 20%) who are unattractive to the top 20%.
There's still a huge imbalance in the sexual market place. They're just rough estimates
You've misquoted the statistic. It's "20% of guys have 80% of the sex", which I do believe is true. The best, most successful men get laid more than the average dude, however I also think the girls who'd fuck them with no strings attached are likely getting passed around between that 20%. In other words it stands to reason that the same 20% of guys is fucking the same 20% of girls en masse more often than most people in their daily relationships.
No. The math does not work out. Of that were true than bery few men would get married.
God is merciful - I have seen guys that make Shrek look handsome. Guys who are poor , weird, unemployed, have funny habits. Guys older than me with very limited experience. Yet by the grace of God they pull.
Yes , If you look good and have money it is very easy. But the idea that you have to be rich and Brad Pitt to get any pussy at all is an incel idea.
It's more of a generalization actually, but the theory exists as some indication of the world we are or are becoming.
It's also more generational, you say your age is 42 and a lot of these young men who grew up are now 18-20-somethings or even 30-somethings.
@UncleJessieRabbit Do you mean that the concept of an incel is a generational thing?
There have always been men who were chronically non-celibate or unhappily without a person, but it seems that it exacerbated into a bigger epidemic since at least my generation or so. But who knows, I guess.
@UncleJessieRabbit I think so.
Young men don't approach women these days. I think it is all the video games and also the fear of some sexual harassment claim.
No, I don't think so. They tend to be picky about who they date and their personality is usually "meh" so they scare away that 80% of women. In reality, people date within their status, wether it is socially, professionally, emotionally, financially or a mix of them.
Everyone knows the average woman is receiving hundreds of matches on apps like Tinder. The average man only receives 3-6 in a week if he comes off as interesting. If you're in that top 20% of men who make the most money and are the best looking, you will receive more matches and have many more sexual options to choose from. This is true whether you're on a dating app or talking to women in person. Women like attractive men who can provide for them.
The 80/20 rule is about sex and it's clear to anyone with eyeballs that it's true.
Actually it is true and I brought proof.
www.yourtango.com/.../women-find-80-percent-men-unattractive-says-crazy-study
medium.com/.../tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a
Link 1 was busted, corrected below:
medium.com/.../tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a
Attractiveness is always a relative term. Buf A survey showed 80% of men are unattractive according to women. We could call it unbalanced based on how it was done. www.yourtango.com/.../women-find-80-percent-men-unattractive-says-crazy-study
Lmao according to that theory 80% of women AND 80% of men would constantly be single which simply isn’t the case. So no. It’s obviously complete shit.
They eventually settle. But 80% of women desire and chase the 20%
@StickStickity13 lmao or so you tell yourself so you can sleep at night..
Nothing to do with me, but the data speaks for itself...
@StickStickity13 “the data” ahahahah and next you’re gonna post a little tinder statistic?
85% of black are single mothers so your theory is out the window
The top 20% of men get the sex from 80% of the women. It's not a bad thing, but it makes a lot of sense.
It’s about 65% of African-American women. Too high, yes. But not 85%.
My god, please go outside y’all
Lol what’s that supposed to mean?
@chris_987 exactly..
I would but the outdoors are dangerous. :(
I actually went skiing yesterday and saw a bear so I agree outside is dangerous
What about the cheating crossover?
www.google.com/.../nearly-1-in-3-american-men-aged-18-29-didnt-have-sex-in-2018%3f_amp=true
Not yet but it will happen soon enough at this rate.
@Stevied93 So men are now experiencing dry spells at the same rate as women? Wow, that really proves.. what does that prove again I’m lost as to why you’d post that here?
Women have dry spells? Men are literally pay for pussy, so how can it be harder for a women to gets sex
@chris_987 seems like I just burst your bubble? Welcome to reality, buddy
Not really, I just told you that men are willing to pay for sex much less do it for free, if the tables where turned and women payed for sex every guys would be getting laid. Are you understanding what I’m saying?
@chris_987 Men pay for sex from prostitutes. Women who are not prostitutes are not engaging in sex to simply have sex. That's the difference between men and women. Women who are not sex workers do not engage in sex willy nilly. Some men will pay to do so rather than go without. Women in general would rather not jeopardize their reputations. The double standard is alive and well.
Well the reason why Certain men pay for prostitutes is because they can’t get sex from women. So they have to pay for it. Women can get sex from both men and women without any money being exchanged. The only reason why women don’t go around trying to get sex from men is because they don’t want that they want a relationship. And In order for a women to get a relationship she has to have a man show love for her first. So if having a relationship is something you can’t force then women won’t get that, but they can get sex easier than a man which is my point.
@Screenwriter “Women who are not sex workers do not engage in sex willy nilly.” Whhhhyyyy not? That’s so frustrating.
@Robertcw Even with the best protection, there is the threat of pregnancy. The double standard still exists. A woman who sleeps around is not a stud, she's a whore. And an UNPAID one. More denigration. Engaging in random sex exposes one to STDs that could impact fertility. Sex is more of a pair bonding endeavor for women because they are child bearers. Women's bodies urge them to remain pregnant to keep the race going. Men are wham bang because they are "seeders." Does anyone want to sleep with someone who has hundreds of notches in their belts? It sounds like they don't and can't connect, and that sex is their only goal. Sounds pretty shallow and emotionally bankrupt.
Thing is, I believe that if a person simply had the opportunity to try things out for themselves first hand they’d be able to discover whether or not they feel emotionally bankrupt or not.
Issue is many men are never given the opportunity to see for themselves.
I believe it's true that 20% of the guys are having 80% of the sex, and there is a solid evolutionary reason why. Are 20% of the guys getting 80% of the women? I think it depends on age. Young women can be very choosey on what men they want to date/have sex with, but as women get older their attractiveness fades and are forced to lower their standards if they want to have sex or date (if they're not already tied down), especially as men's attractiveness stays pretty much the same for most of their life
Do you mean the top 20% of men get the bottom 80% or that 20% of men are successful and can attract 80% of women?
Presumably the top 80%
In some aspects, but not entirely. People are unlike animals as we have many other qualitied to go about rather than who is the strongest, fastest, who has the best plumage or most majestic horns; we are far more diverse and selecting a mate based solely on physical appearances is almost never done. So, the top 20% would need to bring a lot more to the table for them to be able to pull 80% of women.
Whether or not they get 80% of the women, they certainly have access to 80% of the women. The top 20% of men probably don't want 80% of the women. They probably want the top 20% of women, but they could easily have any of 80% of women in the blink of an eye.
80%, no way. That's a myth. Top tier dudes usually have some very good looking men, but they aren't getting 50% of women much less 80% of them.
I'll say top tier dudes who are single get around maybe 25% to 30% of women to sleep with them.
While lower tier dudes get about the same rate, probably a bit less but the women aren't as good looking as the ones the top tier dudes sleep with.
No. Say there's a hypothetical world with 100 men and 100 women. I just don't buy that 20 men are going to be romantically/ sexually involved with 80 of the women. That might be plausible in 19th century Utah but not as a general proposition.
Yes...
people are highly hypergamic, not only women.
Attractive women will tell you horror stories about weird admiration of less attractive guys as well.
Maybe "... get 80% of the women" is the wrong term, what you get is their attention that you sometimes don't want.