Agree or Disagree: The men that women generally want have access to 80% of women?

[coachTanthony]

Agree

Disagree

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[Guy13]

In an era of optics that is undefinable historically, the “pretty people” still have issues. The Nerd or Average Guy who demonstrates a respectful and pleasing attitude, ability to accomplish, and grooms does much better in this area.

Granted access either professionally or women is enhanced, however, rarely does it overcome “I can not be with a man that is prettier than I am.”
This is quickly realized as your “dates” accompany you over 3 months. Women one encounter can be a little predatory and clear in their wants. Where do you think Psycho B- originates.
And, if you look at another 🍑, you are done. Anyway, this is counterproductive to long-term relationship.

The guy with access must have plain things in his personality, such as, fix 💩 at his place, her place, or even the things her business or housing landlord can’t seem to get too. Priority defined is paramount.
If the guy, butt ugly to pretty, has nothing but words, shallowness, or eye candy going on…he is Done. ✅ off the list.

[Anonymous]

All men have access to women
All women have access to men
Sadly you have to know what category you belong rich poor ugly pretty fit fat small tiny tall large.
It’s like a old men who’s 74 looking for a 27 year sold women. Like hello you have to wake your brain cells and learn that sadly with all my respect you can't have anything you want in this life. Maybe this men can attract a 70 years old women.


You have to sit down and ask your self how do you view yourself ; if you think you are that dumb weak ass then you will attract such people.
It’s not my fault a guy who considers himself he is at the “ugly undesired category” doesn’t catch me. That’s his fault he thinks that way.
The door is never closed , you brain closes it. And I’m not here to work as a mental counselor.
Women too don’t settle because you are let’s say soo obese and you allow any men! No why? Like move your ass lose some weight I don't know. You have to fight for your dreams. That’s what life is about.
Don’t be stupid. If you are then ofc others will play with you like a tennis ball up and down left and right
Be the racket if you dare.. test yourself don’t give a fuck. The world is yours don’t live your life with this qs agree or disagree it’s all matrix opinions

[TopTier]

It's called hypergamy. And the man has to be richer, fitter, taller and have a higher body count. There isn't someone for everyone.

[jennifer_bloom]

High status guys are usually not freebie opportunities for women - girls have to make big sacrifices to be with them. I've heard of girls who work 14 hour days to impress their rich boyfriends so they can get a proposal from them. I've heard of girls who maintain bodies under 110 pounds and get PhD's while their husbands are obese, they give up all their friends and previous connections and wait a decade for a marriage proposal, from a guy that is not good looking to begin with. I've heard of gorgeous girls who marry very poor guys cause they want a man with a good heart who will never mistreat them, and then they have to be the bread winner who makes most of the money in the relationship. it's not an easy choice - big sacrifices have to be made.

[coachTanthony]

Interesting indeed.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I agree with this because I've seen it.

[Unit1]

It is easy and convenient to believe that.

This guy ("six nine") is seen in his video as the man, that supposedly "80% of women" want and are after (we know it's the money, that made it happen).

https://www.youtube.com/embed/xdVknLqOM9A

However I asked girls about him and I found none of them girls are into him ("six nine").

Just like how most girls ARE NOT into Brad Pitt or Christian Grey or Jeff Bezos.

I heard the girls. Some girls fancy Vito Scaletta from Mafia 2. Some girls fancy anime boys, who can magically fly and protect the lady. Some girls fancy the serial murderer called the Shape (Myers Michael). Another example was evident with Jeremy Meeks. Are they one of the top 20% of men? And if so, then who decides it? The majority 80% of women? I haven't found these 80% of women universally agreeing to which men are among the top 20% of wanted men - other than what was reported about Jeremy Meeks.

What might be most possible is that for one girl some guy - to her or in her opinion - is among the top 20% of men.

[D_Bone_Steak]

This guy looks like someone I could slap once and throw him out a window with one hand... it has to be the money that works for him.

[Unit1]

@D_Bone_Steak I'd give him a bit of credit tho. He is not part of the 30-40% obese ones.

[D_Bone_Steak]

True... He'd at least be able to run... or at least looks like it. If anybody got ahold of a piece of clothing or something, the dude has no chance... my 11 year old could beat his ass.

[Avicenna]

I don't think that's quite accurate because most women don't like to share. A lot of women assume a guy is promiscuous if the women find him very attractive, i. e., they assume other women feel the same and he's banging multiple women. It's sometimes surprising how open women are about this, although they usually couch it more neutrally, like asking how many dates he's been on recently. This is especially the case with women my age since the playing field has already tilted in men's favor by then.

[ZackBan]

I think it's men who have fallen off in terms of self value.

Used to be most men were hard working men, who know who they are and what they want, capable of authority and leadership which are traits women naturally gravitate toward.

But today we have a weakened generation. Men who grew up without much of a struggle for anything, never had to take charge in their lives and when they do pretend like they do it repulses women who can smell the fake masculinity.

So yes most women are into a minority but that's because that minority is the only remnant of real men in the world.

If I got anything to say about it it would be "stop worrying about what the 20% is doing and start worrying about what you need to do to become a 20% man"

[Weapon77]

That's true in my experience. And it's technically fine, but it only accounts for like 20% or less of men, so the other 80% of men are left in terrible headspaces, and many of then were already unstable. It's dangerous for society really. Those guys are so much easier to radicalize by crazy people.

And even with me, I have so much trouble finding a good girl that it makes me wish I lived in a time where I wouldve gone on campaigns or voyages to other lands to explore or raid or something where I would've found a wife easily. I also mightve died lol But hey, pros and cons.

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

Hypergamy is real.

Women want a man who is equal to or better to them.

"His money is our money. But her money is her money."

Clearly from the finance point of view, the guy is contributing to the relationship more than the girl. But still girls feel like the relationship should be 50/50.

When you are stuck with that notion, you have no right and no chance of a 50/50 relationship. Money speaks. Just as the chair speaks, not the person sitting on that chair.

Women want the top percent men. Clearly these men have choices. And they get away with a girl as they know the next one is already there. They treat them like shit.

And then women come on the internet and say like all men are bad and not good and whatnot.

Hypergamy is very real. Women have double standards here. Not all, some, but in majority.

[Cassie88]

Why 80% and not 72%? Or 60%? And what about the other 20% of women? No, I don't believe this. It seems to me like just another number that was plucked out of the air by someone who just wanted to make a point.

[coachTanthony]

That number is all over the internet so I didn't make it up lol

[ZackBan]

It's impossible to get a true number you are right because that would take auditing the entire population but it is definitely an estimate based on the results that a high value guy gets with girls compared to a low value guy. That being said I would put it at even higher than 80%

[Cassie88]

And because it's on the internet it just HAS to be true. :D

[coachTanthony]

@cassie88 So you do thinks it's true then? Okay cool.

[ZackBan]

That's a weak strawman argument. It's one thing to question the number but if you think absolutely nothing is true just because is on the internet or you nitpick what you belive to fuel your own narrative then a conversation can't happen

[Cassie88]

@ZackBan I never said that absolutely nothing is true on the internet. Where did you get that from?

[Asad1ONE1]

"A lie told often enough becomes the truth"

[ZackBan]

The comment you made about "you saw it on the internet so it has to be true" that's what people say when they wanna dismiss a piece of info without addressing the merits. I'm not trying to convince you of anything one way or the other but you asked where the 80% comes from and I answered to the best of my knowledge

[Asad1ONE1]

"Exaggeration" is a BIG problem in society. That stupid OK Cupid study is extremely misleading.

[ZackBan]

Why "extremely" tho? It's literally based on statistics from a DATING company sure it's not gospel but you can't just dismiss it because you don't like the results

[coachTanthony]

@Asad1ONE1 Every man on the planet who sucks with women somehow can regurgitate that OK cupid study word for word because that is their excuse not to improve themselves.

[Asad1ONE1]

@ZackBan I'm not dismissing it but I'm not gonna take it too seriously either lol. Besides, I'd just focus on my myself and find the right partner and focus on her. Those misandrists on ok cupid don't mean s**t to me.

[Asad1ONE1]

@coachTanthony can't put the blame only on men. Should be 50/50. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if I found out that it's actually women that are mostly the problem in the world of relationships and dating.

But if you're right, you just proved the 80/20 rule right! Lol

[coachTanthony]

@Asad1ONE1 I put the blame solely on men. Men should never blame women for their issues that's not going to get them anywhere in life or better with women. 80/20 rule is correct in most cases but the real world isn't about numbers it's about accountability and getting better. Men who talk about numbers like this mostly use it to prove they can just sit on the couch. (not every guy lol) I have to say that now because most responses now are ( well not everyone) lol

[Asad1ONE1]

But I think you are very close minded on this subject. You said "solely on men". What blame, if any, do you blame women for?

[Asad1ONE1]

Also, on one end you are solely blaming men and on the other end you say 80/20 is "correct in most cases".

Sounds contradictory to me. You are not thinking this through bro. At least not entirely.

[coachTanthony]

@asad1one1 What do you blame women for exactly? Why should it be 50/50? And how does that help men? Should men wait around now that women are to blame for them to change?

[NathanDavis]

sure... all of four billion women in this world

80% of them, just waiting for a call... lmao

[RationalMale]

Agreed. Women only really "see" a small percent of men and don't notice others. So the vast majority of women are then hoping to date the top 15-20% of men--I believe Okcupid had data backing this up on how a tiny fraction of men got the majority of female messages. It's akin to if guys only were interested in fitness gym instructor girls and thought visible abs on women were basic and easy.

Women then are shocked when these top tier men who have a ton of female attention are not hesitant to cheat or date other girls or dump them.

[bkcutie11]

Not necessarily. It depends on, if those women consider what most women want. What demographic your talking

[coachTanthony]

let just take online dating. We all know women only go for the hottest, richest most good looking guys on the apps even though they are a 4/10 themselves. Why you say? Because at one point in their life one of these men gave them attention maybe even slept with them causing a mental defect that now makes them believe they can get an actual relationship with these men when in actuality all they did was have sex with them.

[bkcutie11]

I mean I would want someone financially independent and responsible not necessarily ridiculously rich. I make my money I don't want to be a sugar mama. Also, I care more about personality. Sure chemistry and being attracted to your potential partner is important though every one has different perspective on attractiveness. You can be hot af, and rich af, but that doesn't mean you'll get high quality women. Which is a woman that isn't just valued by her looks and also has an amazing personality and supportive partner.

[coachTanthony]

Not saying everyone just generally speaking this is what happens. Not here to argue "one off's" because i agree not every women does this.

[msc545]

a "mental defect". Care to elaborate?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I think there's some truth to that. I think most humans generally desire the best including women.

Just like you desire a beautiful, youthful, smart and good woman, women also desire what they perceive to be the best in a man which is good, rich, successful, handsome with high social status.

The reality is our ideals don't become reality because most people in this case men aren't handsome, rich, successful and high social status.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I agree... give me a few weeks with the weights and I generally get what I want from women... face to face wise. If they have boyfriend, they cheat. Two chicks and they both know about you, they'll settle for sharing. It's just facts.

[Msputiton]

In America alone there are 164.8 million.

For a man to have access to 80% means he has access to 131.8 million women.

Now you know and i know. Ain't nobody getting around like that🥴

[loveslongnails]

Cute, but y'all know that ain't what he means. LOL

[EmyyWolf]

Yup! Here’s why:

Why are women attracted to F-K BOYS?

Why do women fall for BAD BOYS?

[Jaximus-Lion]

What people see on social media, TV shows and movies shows that women likes these kind of men while in reality is the largest percentage of women like to be next to a nice man that likes them back, GLOBALLY. Exactly like porn, it barley real, BARLEY

[normalice]

Depends on what "access" means. If it means such men can sleep with any of these women (which is the narrative most incels tell each other for some victimhood), no. But if that just means they can have a conversation with them, probably - but then so too could the incels if they could wean themselves off their addiction to victimhood.

[StrawberryMoon]

Ability to create initial attraction doesn't directly translate in ability to actually have a meaningful relationship with another human being..

Maybe from someone's perspective women are a dime a dozen and he can have all the sex in the world... but that doesn't directly translate in a meaningful relationship.

Especially if he doesn't treat women well even if women are attracted to him initially, over time they will realise he is not all that great as he seemed to be and probably leave him.

And most guys that are capable of creating loving and meaningful relationships with women are really popular but because they already have a meaningful relationship the outside attention doesn't make that much of a difference for them whether they have a lot of clout or not.

[oddwaffle]

Data shown that women tend to swipe only to 5% of the men on dating platform. So you can definitely say these 5% of the men got access to most of the women. Or at least a strong opportunity to access to the women.

The remaining 95% of the men swipe right on anything identify as women and just wait and see.

[Chazmatazz269]

Absolutely agree. I’m a straight dude and i would fuck the kinds of men that most women want! Ell oh ell!
I don’t understand why people continue to perpetuate these myths and lies about what women want. The debate isn’t even academic. There is little evidence to the contrary. The only way this becomes honestly debatable is if you change the percentage to ninety-nine or one-hundred.

[FilmGuy93]

That's pretty true, yeah, but it's not like those men are super accessible for most women.

[coachTanthony]

Exactly. Women would rather chase and share these men if given the chance then find someone suitable.

[FilmGuy93]

I’ve had that theory for a while. It seems like most women would rather be in a “high value” man’s harem than exclusive with a regular man, as long as he emotionally satisfies her. Women are not particularly complicated; they just want to feel appreciated and seen.

[coachTanthony]

Just look at Lorenzo Lamas. He has had 5 wives and kids with almost all of them. They didn't care to share they wanted a piece of that man for life even if it's just for a short period of time.

[FilmGuy93]

Hey... I mean... shit... if you can afford that kind of alimony and child support, why not?

[Pohjolan]

80%? Over half of US women are married so that would require that 3/5 married women are willing to cheat on their partner.

Not buying it.

[coachTanthony]

80% of available women.

[Pohjolan]

That seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy though.
If they have access to 80% of women available on the market then they are generally wanted by women.

[coachTanthony]

Yes exactly.

[andreasderjuengere]

Nowadays it has become confusing what a woman is. You know... too many freeriders :)
According to Pareto 80 percent sounds right - but unfortunately only for 20 percent of all men.