Is alpha fucks/beta bucks true and is it wrong to refuse to date women who use this strategy?

[Anonymous]

Just a quick example of what alpha bucks/beta bucks might look like.

When a girl is 18, she might say something along the lines of: "He must be at least 5 inches taller than me so I can wear high heels, he must have a full head of hair, he must have a chiseled jaw etc."

Then when she's 35 and still single, this might change to: "Its okay if he's close to my height and has a receding hairline, and is a bit chubby, he just needs to be loyal and financially stable enough to take care of my kids"

I'm not saying all girls use this strategy but I think its common enough that guys need to pay attention so they dont become the beta.
Does this ring true to you?

[Anonymous]

It is true. A girl might have casual sex with one guy, a one night stand or whatever, with no expectation of commitment or financial investment from him whatsover. Then later she might meet a guy and make him wait weeks or months, have him take her on a load of dates and play hard to get, usually while she pretends to be innocent and lies about her past to him.

In these cases she basically settles for the "beta" because the "alphas" would never commit to her.

As for yourself, I'd say it's fine to not date a girl who does this, but you have to know how to spot them. Most guys are so easily fooled by women who pretend to be innocent.

The easiest way to find this out is to be a little bit sneaky and underhanded yourself. If she's genuinely a "good girl" who never did this kind of thing, then it doesn't matter. If she did do this though she'll reveal it to you if you do as I say.

A lot of guys make the mistake of telling the girl for example that they hate girls who sleep around. Let's say the girl did sleep around and she likes you, what do you think she's going to tell you now that she knows how you think?

Well, if she's not offended by what you said and still wants you she's just gonna say "yeah I know me too, I can't understand people who do that, like how can they have such little respect for themselves?". You basically just told her what you want to hear from her, and she's gonna tell you what you want to hear. Just like when a girl says the same to a player type and he says "yeah I hate sleeping around, I just want a relationship" because he wants sex from her and wants to take the path of least resistance.

It's best instead to come across as being completely non-judgemental, even if you aren't. Pretend that you don't care about the number of sexual partners, pretend that you think that the slut vs player double standard is ridiculous, pretend that you believe that people should be free to fuck whoever they like as long as they're not hurting anybody else. That's how you get a woman to reveal the truth about her past.

As for yourself you say that guys need to pay attention so they don't become the beta. Well, if you're worried about this you're probably already a "beta" either way. The reason you end up being the one on the losing end of this is because you lack certain qualities that "alphas" usually have - masculinity, confidence, assertiveness, socially dominant behaviour. You can develop these traits to the point where women don't see you as a beta at all and I think you're better off doing that.

Betas are the guys who, once they're married, complain that the sex dries up or they get cheated on, or both. This is because the woman isn't as attracted to him as she is to the "alphas" and as you say is only settling with him because he's more of a stable boyfriend/husband. Maybe the right girl wouldn't do that, but still, it's better to have those "alpha" traits and have the girl actually find you sexually attractive.

[FeelinBlue]

100% this 🔺🔺🔺

[HereIbe]

That's a load of bullshit. Alphas are the men who sign the paychecks, not the muscle-bound clods who have to call the paycheck-signers "sir" and kiss their blobby pale asses to keep their jobs so they can afford more steroids.

[Asker]

The way I see it is that a woman is in her prime in her late teens/early 20s. The guy that gets to have sex with her during this time is the alpha and the winner.

[HereIbe]

And you're still a little boy with delusions of grandeur. Sorry, but I've seen so FUCKING DAMNED MANY old farts with paunches and combovers who get their pick of 20-year-old pussy. Why? They rule the REAL world.

[JamesRandiDebates]

That's true only after age 40.

[HereIbe]

@JamesRandiDebates, well, after age 40 is when most men start raking in the major dough, and they get pick of the pussy, over the musclebound lunkheads.

[JamesRandiDebates]

I am 100% in agreement with you. Men age like fine wine. Women age like milk.

[HereIbe]

@JamesRandiDebates, yes, as my wife is starting to discover, to her horror. Good thing I love her.

[Anonymous]

our priorities change as we mature.
when i was 18 i only cared about a certain look like my guy was an accessory to my outfit and then i realized dating a guy you pick based only on his height or muscle definition isn't going to be a good compatible connection most of the time and i'd rather have someone i can talk to

[Asker]

Thats precisely my point. Changing you priorities is another way of saying alpha fucks/beta bucks. And I would never date a girl who uses this strategy.

Girls are at their most beautiful in their late teens and early 20s and if she's not willing to have sex with you during this time then I want nothing to do with her.

[Opinion Owner]

it's not a strategy... it's being dumb and then getting smart.
girls could say the same.
i didn't hit puberty until like last year. no guys were into me until suddenly i had giant titties... but there's no point in getting mad that they couldn't like me before i had them. who cares life is weird just find someone you care about

[Asker]

1) Even if they are not conscious about it. I dont care, I won't accept it
2) You were, I'm just assuming, still young when you developed breasts and suddenly had guys knocking on your door. You didn't have to wait till you're in your late 20s and miss out on all the youthful fun

[DonCachondo]

lolol isn't that convenient

[ronaldo75]

The problem is when a woman is 18 ans especially in her early 20s she has so many guys flirting with her that even if she's not that cute she thinks she will always have a group of guys to choose from. Women don't know that even good looking guys in their 20s have a hard time getting girls because they might not have their game up yet.

In the their 30s the amount of guys going after them drops DRAMATICALLY and that guy who was shy in his 20s now has more confidence and doesn't want a used up over-the-hill 35 year old woman. So the woman who was a barbie doll at 26 now has to lower her standards at 35 and go for the not so great guys so long as they have jobs and aren't alcoholics.

[Anonymous]

There aren't enough women around for all guys to avoid being the beta in your example, plus lots of guys fit that beta description anyway. Its not the end of the world.

[TURK-CONQUEROR]

More or less. Alphas tend to make the bucks though and only marry chicks that bring something to the party other that what's between their legs.

[ronaldo75]

"shut up!!! I'm 33, single and loving it!!! aaaaaahahahahaha I hook up with like 10 hot guys a MONTH you fucking incel!!!""

... Goes home to 2 cats and a netflix account

[sasukeuchiha7]

That's not what I believe alpha and beta is.
Alpha men are the good hearted men who do good to society, are respectful and courteous to everyone without any agenda and take responsibility for their actions.
Beta are lazy ignorant men who don't take responsibility, blame others for their mistake, have no ambition and are nice to people only when they want something.

[boggboss]

Lol seems like you are stressing yourself out over somthing in your head

[Asker]

If you dont believe this to be true, then maybe this might convince you.

Ask one hundred 18 year old girls this question: Would you date a guy around your age who's same height as you and bald/balding?

Then ask the same question to a hundred 30+ year old women.

If alpha fucks/beta bucks is its just a bunch of rubbish, the percentages of girls saying yes should be the same in both groups.

[boggboss]

You asked if they preferd someone who in there eyes is attractive or not young when looks are everything compared to later in life when looks are secondary?

[Asker]

Thats exactly my point, glad you agree. When girls are young, looks are everything to them. So if you don't have the looks you will be shunned and forced to watch the girls you like give their most beautiful/prime years to other guys they think are more worthy than you.
Then later down the road, if you have a good job and you seem like the quiet/loyal type they'll come back to you looking for commitment.

This is alpha fucks/beta bucks in nature. If a girl didn't give you her prime self, you're the beta/loser

[boggboss]

But guys are the same what are you talking about?

[Asker]

There is some truth to it. A guy might only go after the slutty girls while he's in his teens and 20s and then want a nerdy, chaste girl when he's ready to settle down.

But there are two key differences.

1) Unlike for girls, a guy's prime is not in his late teens and early 20s. He's not giving his prime away to those slutty girls
2) A lot of guys would be okay with having sex with a girl who's below himself in looks. A nerdy//ugly girl can put on some make up, revealing clothes and go grind on some jock and he'll take her home and have sex with her.
So at least she has the opportunity to get sex during that time. The nerdy/ugly guy often gets nothing

[boggboss]

Lol so because you can't get women in your teens you will throw a tantrum when you are older and what way will you test if a girl is as you say using this system your mindset is the issue here I imagine most girls you get when you are older will not have known you in teens so how can you be upset they never went for you lol so backwards this would only apply to women you personally have had it happen to you with

[Asker]

There a couple of things you can do

1) Ignore the ones your age and date younger girls
2) This one is tricky. But you can ask to see photos of the guys the girl dated when she was younger. If there were short, ugly, bald, chubby guys among them you can assume she's not using alpha fucks/beta bucks

[boggboss]

So somehow you was unable to get girls in your teens as a teen but you will get them when you start balding in life seems flawed and your second idea is amount one of the most stupid tactics I have heard of screening a girl but meh if it works for you have fun

[Asker]

If you are already short, ugly and bald in your 20s, you can only improve.
And if you cannot attract younger girls, its definitely better to stay single and keep on trying than to settle for someone that wouldn't give you the time of the day when they were younger.

[boggboss]

But you would never know if she would give you the time off day as that chance never happend your mindset here is truly flawed lol and it seems all u care about is sex so meh

[Asker]

Thats true if I meet a women there's no way I can know if she would reject me in high school/college. But I am not willing to give a girl the benefit of the doubt.
This is where photos of her exes would be helpful. If most of her exes, during her youth, are much taller than me and have nice hair, its reasonable to assume she wouldn't want a short bald, guy then.

And the reason I put a lot of emphasis on sex is because I firmly believe the only way a girl truly respects you as a male is if she's willing to have sex with you during her youth

[boggboss]

Lol if it works for you then I guess 👍🏽

[Syrian_survivor]

Are we never getting over this stupid idea? Just be a good person with an improving life, and stay away from stupid women

IT'S LITERALLY THAT SIMPLE

[Anonymous]

Yes, and I've seen so many examples of this in real life

[JamesRandiDebates]

That's the standard female modus operandi. That's why pump-and-dump is the only sane solution.

[No_Archons]

Solution to what? Horniness? What about the future generation? We need to ensure they dont have slut moms and pump n dump doesn't solve anything

[JamesRandiDebates]

@No_Archons the solution for dealing with modern women. As for future Generations, the modern slot will always find someone willing to knock her up. Single mothers are the future. A wise man will avoid the legal entanglements.

[No_Archons]

Fuck if my kid is growing up with some slut as his. mom

Man the fuck up and stand against a tide of degeneracy to save the future, men like u depress me, how am i gunna figjt this alone? Idgaf ill do it anyway but still, understand u have given up, there won't b a future generation of wife material being born from sluts

[JamesRandiDebates]

@No_Archons The fact is any child you have will have been birthed by a slut. That's all that's left in the modern world. Telling someone to man up is shaming language it. It no longer holds any power

[No_Archons]

Shame is a powerful force in our society that needs to be rebirthed in a big way.

You are gunna sit here and tell me that 100% of women are sluts? You've been hanging around bars and clubs too much man. I know for a fact that there are women that rise above their biology and become seriously good people, moral people, people who need a good man by their side. I live in the city too, I see what's going on, but I also know that there are traditional girls out there. I'm not downplaying how fking rare it is, just saying, it takes two to tango, and if girls are gunna be such massive sluts, us men have to make them feel unwanted and ashamed.

[JamesRandiDebates]

@No_Archons But I don't want sluts to feel unwanted and ashamed. I want them to be sluts.

[No_Archons]

Well fuck you then

[JamesRandiDebates]

@No_Archons Right back at ya, cuck.

[Mh1999]

Lol i would never do that

[JamesRandiDebates]

Give it 10 years. When you are staring headlong into the fast approaching Wall.

[Mh1999]

@JamesRandiDebates i am muslim sorry these things happens in western country xd

[JamesRandiDebates]

Yeah, you will be part of a harem by then.

[Mh1999]

@JamesRandiDebates nah we don't do it now

[ronaldo75]

Wait until you hit 30. When I was 25 I thought I would never judge women over 30 but now that I'm in my 30s and look BETTER than I did in my 20s (like most guys), I catch myself disgusted with most women who are 35 and feel I can do better anytime I see one.

[Mh1999]

Anyway i actually have lived in Europe didn't behaved like that why because i have morals have plans to study abroad in western country won't do it even then because of morals.

[Mh1999]

@ronaldo75 i look younger than my age xd by 35 i would be married and would have one or two kids so i won't worry about it.

[Mh1999]

I am 19 i look 17

[JamesRandiDebates]

Morals? If you're like the middle eastern girls I've met in my life, while young you want to maintain your virginity so that your future mother-in-law can bust your hymen with a stick on your wedding night. Meanwhile you will allow any guy who wants to fuck you in the ass. I actually had some pretty good times with Muslim women. Although most of you have really bad breath from that nasty food you eat.

[Mh1999]

@JamesRandiDebates my breath is good and i font do that lol you probably only know trashy and slutty one because most i know even in Europe were modest and decent.

[ronaldo75]

If you're muslim hoping to live in the west or western Europe then it won't be different. Either you will deal with western beauty standards by men who will start to distance themselves from you after about 35 OR you will stay in the muslim community and be married off before you are 30. Muslim culture is actually insanely strong in the west so you might not even notice any difference. If you do decide to start hanging out with western men though, prepare to be used as a sex doll after you turn 30. unless you hang out with hold greasy 50 year old men men in their 20s and 30s will plow through right through you and move on to the next - especially in Europe.

[Mh1999]

@ronaldo75 lol not that kind of muslim culture i actually had one European boyfriend but we never had sex so see and i had a Turkish boyfriend in Europe he was secular so all muslim men are not same.

[Syrian_survivor]

Bitter men everywhere, so pathetic, get a life losers

[ronaldo75]

@Syrian_survivor Bitter how? Have you even been in the dating scene at 17?

[Syrian_survivor]

@ronaldo75 yeah probably got more girls than you ever did in your whole life lmao, because I'm not bitter to the point that it's a hilarious joke.

[ronaldo75]

@Syrian_survivor You're a loser kid. You probably have a crush on Mh1999

[Syrian_survivor]

@ronaldo75 Not really, I have a loving beautiful girlfriend who's 2 years older than her and is ready to die for me, I'm currently working and moving in with her next year, better than you'll ever have at the age of 36, old man.

@Mh1999 with all due respect, of course.

[Mh1999]

@Syrian_survivor what of course?

[ronaldo75]

@Syrian_survivor hahahah you think 36 is old!!! RRRAAAAHAHAHHAHA. I've never been married and left my ex'gfs because they were insane. You're about to get married to an older woman at what...19? 20? Throwing your life away and probably thinking you're top shit because you're getting regular pussy. IF you're not lying. If you're telling the truth, as immature as you are you'll be miserable and ready to divorce by 23. WATCH.

[ronaldo75]

@Syrian_survivor Kid, at your age EVERYONE thinks older guys who complain about dating are losers. You already come across as a smarmy little shit so trust me... you're going to crash HARD in married life. Wait until pussy isn't that exciting anymore. Which is about a year after you move in with her. You're going to be crying like a bitch to get away.

[ronaldo75]

I said he had a crush on you and I guess he's saying he doesn't. I bet money you're prettier than his girlfriend

[Mh1999]

@ronaldo75 looks don't really matter to all men her love for him is more important.

[ronaldo75]

He's shaming me without knowing me, trust me, he's interested in looks. You are correct that it's not all men but I know his type really well.

[Syrian_survivor]

@ronaldo75 I know what I'm doing, I'm a man with standards and values, easy pussy is the last thing I'd want, I'm not an immature sex-driven teenager like you seem to be.

Of course you'll get insane exes, being insane yourself, lol
And @Mh1999 is pretty but when I'm in love with a girl, I don't get attracted to any other girl, beauty is subjective in this case, really 🤷
It doesn't matter if my girlfriend has the looks to be a model (which she does), but I've fallen for much lower-than-average looking women, so how tf did u already know my type?

[JamesRandiDebates]

@Syrian_survivor At 17, you aren't a man.

[Syrian_survivor]

@JamesRandiDebates Prove it.

[JamesRandiDebates]

@Syrian_survivor There's nothing to prove, sonny boy. You openly advertise it. Although I am inclined to believe you are really more like 12 or 13.

[Syrian_survivor]

@JamesRandiDebates good points very thoughtful 👍 now get back to complaining because your life sucks

[Anonymous]

Yep that happened to me