So if Men are everything on my BAD BOY list women should have no problem.
Women can now stop calling BAD BOYS jerks and criminals. I set the new standard. Jerks and criminals are just that JERKS and CRIMINALS.
You are all welcome.
GOODGUY
Intelligent and educated.
BADBOY
Fucked around at school playing the badboy and can now barely read or write.
GOODGUY
Polite, courteous and well mannered.
BADBOY
Rude, arrogant and ill mannered.
GOODGUY
Takes responsibility for his actions and will apologise when in the wrong. Is honest and trustworthy.
BADBOY
Dishonest and cannot be trusted
Blames everyone else. Never his fault but always involved. Will stand on your toe then blame you for having toes.
GOODGUY
Is calm, composed, logical with a well balanced temperament.
BADBOY
Is aggressive, abusive and quickly resorts to violence at the merest provocation.
GOODGUY
Has a real job and/or career prospects. Is hardworking and industrious.
BADBOY
Involved in criminal activities, rarely does a days honest work. Usually gets sacked within a week. Generally unemployable.
GOODGUY
Knows what foreplay is, doesn't "accidentally" hit the wrong hole and sees to her pleasure as well as his own.
BADBOY
Wham bam thank you mam.
For me their is only one choice, the good guy. I'll leave the bad boys to the guttergirls.
That is quite the list you have there!
l agree with everything that you say l am a very decent guy
Most women want a nice guy.
A young girl looking for her first boyfriend will search for the good, nice guy qualities. A teenager will experience existentialism and will rebel against many of the norms that her family has laid out for her, in an effort to figure out what she wants from life. Here enters the "bad boy" who will eventually break her heart. That chain of events eventually leads to her seeking out a guy with "nice guy" qualities once again.
Women want dick from the nice guy too, that's ever present.
I think that generalization about certain women can also be applied to certain men about wanting pussy.
As am I. Which is why I generalized.
I think you've just unwittingly proven that most women want a bad boy but then get butt hurt and settle for a nice nice door mat.. aka nice guy..
Yeah I'm aware of that... my comment was in response to what the girl wrote.
No, I think some women THINK they want a bad boy when they're exploring their existentialism and rebelling against the structure that they grew up in. The nice guy is not a settle. The nice guy is the ideal.
This is true. I like to warn girls that I'm an asshole but they hate when I show that side. Girls genuinely want a guy who respects them and treats them good. Even girls that like getting roughed up want that. What girls dont want is someone fake who acts a certain way to get in their panties.
You're exactly right with that statement @ChefCurry.
No you tell yourself to believe that shit 😂
Just to put in my 2¢ most girls want to date the nice guy, They are financially secure and do what there women want but the hate sleeping with then,
When it comes to the men that she wants to have sex with it’s normally the bad boys, There good in bed unlike the nice guys, It’s sex vs security. They want both but normally can’t have both it’s either someone who is good in bed or someone who is a good responsible guy.
Of course after women reach there exasperation date they wish they had gone for the nice guys but by that time it’s to late unless there a celebrity the 40 women have no choice but to go for the 60-70 year old who’s financially stable or go for the 21 year old who’s good in bed, there really is no winning here.
Of course if we went back to a era we’re women don’t have equal rights you’d see an increase in women finding nice guys and settling down because they will treat then the way they want, But until we go back to that time women now have to deal with jerk and A-holes is the want good sex and or nice guys who are bad at sex but good when it comes to money
@Stoner710 i know dude alpha beta dualistic mating strategy. I know women's fucking soul.
@Mamamialetmego pretty much alpha good in bed but sucks when it comes to money beta a good financially but suck in bed, And unfortunately until we get rid of equal right for women this is going to be the case in the dating scene. Of corse if we tried to take women’s rights away then there would be major backlash. So basically women have brought jerks bs nice guys on themselves and now there really isn’t a good reason to have a relationship with an American women, if you get one of Vietnam Korea China a slovic country or even a French or Spanish women then yea relationship with these women are amazing they shut up the are good in bed and there the type of women who alpha men want to put the golden band on keeps the house clean makes dinner to marry betas get the bitch American women.
Until women’s rights are gone men should not date American women.
No I’m not anti women’s rights but let’s face it it hurts families
Nice guys
I wish I wasn't on this thread... keep getting notifications now lmao
I disagree about the young girls. They just want popular guys.
Why is there an insinuation that nice guys are bad at sex? Just curious
That's not true, @ChefCurry! I'm a nice guy and I can go wild if I need to.
@stingrayxoxo because bad boys will stuff your face in a pillow and give it to you good and nice guys will not. It is what it is.
Wrong!
The difference is we nice guys ask permission first. ;)-
Then she's just a whore.
@Jamie05rhs better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.
@Jamie05rhs I just spit this really good scotch out all over the place.. I should charge you for it.
@ChefCurry I think that rule only applies to the newspapers at the hotel.
@Jamie05rhs na. Applies for everything. Only passive people ask for permission. If you make a move and she says no. You respect it. But you gotta be a go getter if you want anything in this world.
Well... I'm passive.
How do you remove yourself from this thread? I keep getting notifications of this nonsense
@coachTanthony I stand by that a nice guy can give it to you good.
@Jamie05rhs Agreed but also tend to agree with what @ChefCurty said about making a move and respecting what she says.
@stingrayxoxo Fair enough! As long as people are happy that is the most important.
@StingRayxoxo Okay, so maybe you're okay with it. But not all women are. I'm pretty sure there are some that would feel violated if you got rough with them with no warning at all.
@Jamie05rhs With regards to that, I mean more within the confines of a relationship that trust already exists within.
@StingRayxoxo That's what I meant, though.
There is such a thing as marital rape.
You don't think I'm too much of a feminist, do you?
I don't know much about marital rape but I tend to think that only already violent men (as well as religious extremists) commit marital rape.
I'm pretty sure a criminal act is defined by the act, not the person. Unless I'm missing something here.
@StingRayxoxo I think you made a good observation
I agree. Perhaps I lost track of your point prior to the marital rape comment? Can you clarify
@StingRayxoxo You basically said that only happened if the man was violent of a religious extremist. So calm people and non-religious people are incapable of committing rape?
@Jamie05rhs Religious extremists generally think the husband has total rights to his wife's body.
Generally a more violent type of person has already exhibited red flags of possible sexual aggression-- more so than a calmer natured person. Unless you want to delve into the psychoses of other personality types, yes I think they are more likely to rape.
Okay. Your explanation does make pretty good sense. Thanks.
@Jamie05rhs sure if there in high school once they get out they go for rich guys or jerks
@coachTanthony I didn't read your chart before I responded... I will pay more attention next time.
@Stoner710 That's the same thing.
@stingrayxoxo It's all good!
Thank you for the MHO
Lol you might as well change the list name to heroes or cowards.
Did an incel make this list?
You can name it anything you want. There are Men on the left and on the right. Most men these days sorry to say are on the right side of the list.
Agree to disagree. Maybe 15 years ago I would say yes but the young men today... sorry charlies.
I am sure there are many guys who have both qualities. Happy? I deal with the younger gen so I know whats really going on out there.
Of course and they are all screwed up with the characteristics on the right not the left.
Of course there are... but the people I am trying to help I wouldn't call COWARDS. They just need guidance.
Most want bad boys, but that declines with age.
Yes that's true when they have dated bad guys they then want a decent guy
Thanks for the MHO
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So wait... I have to disagree with this image-
Why can't a "nice guy" have traits that a "bad guy" has? A nice guy can be assertive, passionate, stands up for himself, and masculine!
With that being said, I am definitely more attracted to nice guys! Never understood why women go for the legit "bad boy" types (ie: a guy that is literally a heartbreaker and causes nothing but drama, stress, and hurts them) as opposed to a good man that wants to take care of her and has his life in order.
@LuvAsh Lies they're all lies!!! (evil laugh)
I don’t think the lists are accurate. I’ve met nice guys who are more of the bad guy list you have. Sooo I’m not so sure 🤔
Id say it needs another category because am in between the two so am with her not accurate plus most bad boys are far from honest 😆 but look at what id say my chategory would be like by the way couldn't simply them all or decide so i described
First subject best said am kinda a geek so unless you share same interest am found boring
Confident
Sexually am not timid or aggressive i tend to take slow on that subject out of respect. might throw something sexual out if its ignored or badly looked at, i avoid for some time.
No judgmental
Genuine
Passive
Passionate
That ones hard i guess it depends. i have had girls i have liked that am shy as can be, and some that it rolls out to smooth and i end up going with it because am actually in motion, then i end up smothering them or making them uncomfortable or something sucks in short i screw it up lol. But allways honest
can't say afraid but cautious but probably looked at like am afraid.
I stand up for myself if it bothers me a lot of stuff people do to have you react and am not indulging them
I can care less what people think about me i can't change so screw it but not to confident only with girls tho :( I don't know
I do apologize a lot
Dont need approval
Thats the problem with false dichotomys. They are rarely true.
Which ones?
@Iwant2kno Maybe you are the definition of BAD BOY LOL.
Well between exptions and all other things that make hard to put in two categories its not bad. But i will say iv noticed girls are attracted to bad boys, mostly because there more flashy and noticeable i think but when the nice ones are given the chance not judged in first 20 seconds i think it most would like the nice guys.
Tbh i dont know what side i fit on best i posted what from eacg side i fit was wondering if someone would say am one or the other becouse its about even traits from each side lol.
You see the entire point of this exercise was to show how titles can throw people off. Just get rid of the BAD BOY and NICE GUY titles and break it down by the list.
The list on the left is what women want. The one on the right definitely not. Comes down to that.
Why, why must you be gross. Is it so hard to not make a dry hump of a comment.
He is completely off on the Types!!! No Clue only a woman can list an Accurate Bad Boy vs Nice Guy list.
@Moonchild714 So if BAD BOYS was not above the list on the left... would you agree with the list?
Take out Sexually Aggressive, Unapologetic, & Don't Need Approval that would be the Nice Guys List!!! Everyone Desires Approval!!!
@Moonchild714 That's fair. Thanks for the response.
This is just how I view bad guys & good guys (you don’t have to agree):
Bad Boys:
-Exciting And Fun
-Decisive
-Sexually Aggressive
-Non-Judgemental
-Authentic
-Masculine
-Passionate
-Unafraid to Live
-Stand Up For Themselves
-Unapologetic
-Rebels, Arrogant, Egoistic
-Has almost no standards, limits and morals
The Nice Guys:
-Smart, exciting and fun
-Decisive and confident
-Respects sexual boundaries.
-Uses logic
-Is genuine and authentic
-Masculine & Passive
-Unafraid to live
-Knows his worth and don’t bs from others
-Secure and confident because he knows his worth
-Apologizes when he needs to, it’s part of being humble, accepting & learning from mistakes.
-Has standards and self worth
You're welcome and thank you for explaining why you made the list the way you did.
Its wasent directed towards you... I'm just being a grumpy ass, I apologize.
Your Nice Guy list is very accurate.
I would add Immature.
@Moonchild714, thank you dear. I think the lists are very flexible because everyone has a different perception and definition of what a nice guy/a bad guy is. 😄
Right. Thid did turn out to be a fun convo.
@Moonchild714, yes indeed! 😄👍🏼
First of all your Description of both are Wrong, Especially the Nice Guy!!! I don't lnow what kind of Nice Guys you've met in your life but you are way off base!!! You are describing Mama's Boys not Nice Guys!!! Most Nice Guys know what they want and are honest about it and People Respect Them!!! Bad Boys often are the Brooding kind keep people at a distance so People Fear Them more than Respect them!!! Bith can be exciting and fun one adds danger and the unknown to it. Both can be confident, decisive, indecisive, & lack confidence these are individual qualities not types!! Both can or can't Sexual, Judgmental, & Non-Judgmental again Individuality not a type!! Both can be Passionate most Bad Boys Lack Life Purpose to whereas Nice Guys have their Purpose or Goals figured out. Bad Boys are very Insecure and trult desire everyones approval which is why they do so many wild, crazy, and dangerous things. Nice Guys also want approval (Everyone wants Approval) but are quite secure in themselves and get approval in their Daily Living Doing the Next Right Thing!!!
I use to date Bad Boys but only Love Nice Guys!!! Bad Boys were for the Danger and to Piss Off Family!!!
Well said.
@Jamie05rhs Probably one of my favorite comments of all time actually!
Awesome!
@Jamie05rhs thank you
Thank you coachTanthony.
You're welcome!
Why tf are nice guys indecisive and doubtful? Lmao that shit kills me 😂 Its why me and 3 of them failed. Nice guys however are not boring and dull. Maybe emo guys 😂🤷♀️ Bad boys are more judgmental then nice 🤔 Nice guys are not meek. They talk A LOT and i love it. You just have to get them out of the shy stage first. Its ok if they’re timid cause so am I. Why would it say nice guys are inauthentic? Hardly anyones real these days 😂 Passive is ok but non-masculine pisses me off. I've met some masculine nice guys (like my ex). They lack purpose in life? Wtf who made this up. Theyre afraid to let women know what they want? Um no. I like that they can tell me what they want in a more gentleman way rather than the douchebags who’d say “drop to your knees and suck my mf dick”. Insecure/low self esteem? Welp at least we’re on the same page 😂 Apologize for everything? Lmao lies. Its so hard to make them apologize. The bad guys are smart enough to apologize so they can “get what they want”. Lmao i respect that 👌 Needy/seek approval? Im not bothered by that. At the end of the day, the only thing i like about “bad guys” is the fun and more dominant side. I dont agree that theyre more passionate, genuine, decisive, and honest. And the nice guys i know def dont let others “abuse” them. Maybe verbally, but not physically. Nice guys can fight and i like it 👏💪 i like to think my guy is a mix of bad/nice but mostly nice :D
I guess as long as the man in your life "THE NICE GUY" is only getting abused verbally and not physically then it's okay?
No i meant guys in the past that were nice often got verbally abused but if it came down to physical, they could kick ass. Now the man in my life he doesn't let anyone walk over him. He stands up for himself in verbal and physical fights. But lmao look at this one
Yeah I have seen that one. That is just as funny as mine! LOL
Its more accurate than yours although not spot on lmao
Well the point of this poll is to show the biggest contrast between two types of people. Everyone will have their own accurate opinion on what's what I believe.
Id say it needs another category because am in between the two so am with her not accurate plus most bad boys are far from honest 😆 but look at what id say my chategory would be like by the way couldn't simply them all or decide so i described
First subject best said am kinda a geek so unless you share same interest am found boring
Confident
Sexually am not timid or aggressive i tend to take slow on that subject out of respect. might throw something sexual out if its ignored or badly looked at, i avoid for some time.
No judgmental
Genuine
Passive
Passionate
That ones hard i guess it depends. i have had girls i have liked that am shy as can be, and some that it rolls out to smooth and i end up going with it because am actually in motion, then i end up smothering them or making them uncomfortable or something sucks in short i screw it up lol. But allways honest
can't say afraid but cautious but probably looked at like am afraid.
I stand up for myself if it bothers me a lot of stuff people do to have you react and am not indulging them
I can care less what people think about me i can't change so screw it but not to confident only with girls tho :( I don't know
I do apologize a lot
Dont need approval
Nice guys, and I think the chart in the image you provided is complete bullshit. Bad just means bad. Nice just means nice. Bad doesn’t mean exciting, confident, honest, or passionate, and being nice doesn’t stop a guy from being any of those things either. My boyfriend is nice and respectful, and he’s also very fun, sexy, accepting of me and my flaws, genuine and honest, passionate, secure in himself and our relationship, dominating and masculine, and he has a very confident attitude and no fear of expressing himself or his desires with me. Nice =/= low quality!!
I think women's ideal man might be a mix of the two:
1. Desires fun and change but keeps in mind responsibilitys
2. Confidence tempered with cynicism.
3. Sexually forward but with consideration of her needs.
4. Open minded but not apathetic
5. Honest but capable of holding their tongue.
6. Dominant but not abusive
7. Passionate but flexible in thought
8. Knows what they want, but willing to sacrifice their wants for her needs.
9. (Rewording of #2)
10. Stands up for themselves but does not start fights for every imagined slight.
11.(rewording of #2)
12. Willing to apologize when they wrong someone but will not accept blame when in earned.
13. Appreciates approval but his sense of self value does not hinge on it.
Humanity's evolution bears out what is best for us. Hyper-Masculinity makes for abusive risky individual that is not a good reproductive partner. Hyper- emasculated man makes for a passive, skiddish and apathetic man that is not a good reproductive partner. BUT one tempered with the other makes for a more balanced human that gives offspring a better chance at success.
You might be right!
The list is inaccurate. You have made bad boys lose their edge which makes them bad and nice guys as insecure mommy needing boys. The traits you have listed of bad boys are actually traits of a confident man which is insanely attractive. Let me give you a hint, bad boys are disloyal and are selfish. Your list lacks those terms. Also nice guys are considerate but are not timid and lack purpose in life. Seriously, where did you find this list? Also please change the titles. From bad boys to confident men and from nice guys to insecure meeks.
The traits you have listed of bad boys are actually traits of a confident man which is insanely attractive.
Most men want to be bad boys... so I created a new BAD BOY for them to aspire to be!
And I was talking about the traditional bad boys and nice boys. You didn't say anything about it in your post. Bad or nice, confidence, honesty and kindness never go amiss.
haha! The list is hilarious and the responses are even funnier.
It reminds me of when I did something similar.
What Are Masculine Traits? ↗
The list of course is subjective. But I was trying, like you, to get discussion going about what did people think. Maybe you will be more successful, because instead of talking directly about what we never speak of in this forum, which is "WHAT DEFINES BEING A MAN", you took an indirect path.
But I specifically wanted the males in at the forum to participate. The women could chime in. But because so many of the men at the forum think it is so healthy to be defined rather than actually have their own standards and definitions, I wanted their input.
Seems to be working so far except for the but hurt guys who can't get over the list as being "purposefully" bias. I have to explain that to them LOL.
Yeah, those are the same guys who argued with me about what it means to be a man. They did not want a list. And it was insulting to even suggest that masculinity even existed.
Strange new world my friend!
you two should get a room already
@ScottSummers You should come with us big boy!
No thanks delusional grandpa!
@ScottSummers Feelings!
@ScottSummers Maybe next time cutie!
I have met a guy who I really thlught was a nice guys and rejected him because they had the characteristics of the "nice guy" in the list. It was awful trying to be around them just because I assumed this is what I should date and I would have rather been single than be with a man like that just because he was nice. I have also been with a guy with the "bad boy" characteristics. When I met him I assumed he was a nice guy, he seemed to have morals and care about me and treat me well as well as respect others. I was really drawn to how happy he was around children, he would take his nieces out skating, to the movies and park and out for ice cream and always encourage them to get good grades and te them how much he loved them. He was so exciting and bubbly. I assumed he was nice but after so much time had passed it became clear he was not a nice guy but he also wasn't a "bad" guy. He just started showing his true colors and I didn't like it because what he wanted didn't include my best interest. But later on I talked to the "nice guy" and tried to give him relationship advice because he expressed wanting to cheat on his girlfriend and wanting to break up with her because she wouldn't have sex with him. He was completely wasting her time and all I could do is roll my eyes. Men are men. Whether they are nice or bad is not up for women to measure by what they say but what they do.
I said other because it depends on the woman. Having an actual good girlfriend for longer than a week has taught me a lot about relationships. For instance we were standing outside once and this obvious bad boy type of guy drove by in his truck with these big wheels. He sped up as he turned out and of course everyone looked to see who was driving all crazy. I looked at my girlfriend, laughed and said, "that's a real man" in a joking manner. She turned up her nose and said, "ewww no way, I hate that". I was shocked because that's the same reaction previous women have reacted to my advances yet here I was with a girl who is into me and doesn't meet my preconceived notions.
So yeah everyone is different, just gotta keep looking for what you want
There has to be a balance. No one wants to date a jerk and most women who end up with a jerk (with exceptions of course) do that because they were fake-nice at first and hid their worst traits.
No one wants to date a fool either who is always happy and nice and gives you flowers everyday and compliments you every second and coddles you like you're a baby.
Also those lists are ridiculous. Nice guys aren't automatically insecure and needy and the only men in the entire world who are secure, masculine, genuine and don't need approval are not bad boys. Usually it's actually the genuine nice guys who are secure and stable, they're at peace with themselves and happy with their lives therefore they don't need to act like jerks to get attention. It's really the bad guys (and fake nice guys aka the ones who are only nice because they expect something for it) who are insecure and needy.
Change the title of the red list to “Men”. Here are 10 bad boy attributes, add a column for them:
Selfish, abusive, unlawful, dangerous, loser, uses others sexually, cocky, lying, substance abusers, criminal history
The list is just for fun but I love how you think BAD BOYS all have criminal records... LOL
Ha ha I get what you are doing and agree it’s for fun. My image of a bad boy is a Harley driving smoker who is dragging his victim outside the bar by her hair because she made the mistake of talking to the bartender.
Having been in jail myself I can imagine a bad boy is in it for short term gains and has less respect for the long term outcome when making decisions.
That is the point.. everyone has their own definition of bad boys, nice guys, good guys, I just like seeing people pee themselves trying to explain to me their definition. I want to say YES I understand but that's no fun LOL.
The bad boy is definitely more appealing than the nice guy list you've got here. According to this list, my boyfriend is a bad boy, except for sexual aggressiveness and unapologetic. He respects me and he knows when to accept that he's wrong.
I dont think most of the terms used to describe a bad boy are bad. The "nice" guy described here is terribly uncertain and immature. If you assume that the bad boy here is also respectful and understanding, that's near ideal.
Why do men need to fill a gender role and avoid uncertainty in order to be mature?
In any gender, being:
-Inauthentic
-Afraid to let people know of desires
-Afraid to live life
-Let people abuse you
-Indecisive
-Insecure
-Very judgmental
is a sign of being immature.
It's not about gender roles, it's about being a productive person with desires and goals, and the means to achieve them. I am attracted to people with things to say, and people who know they can do them. Some women might prefer a man they can control, I'm not one of them. He's not controlling me either though, we both operate independently and love each other even more for it.
Fair enough then, if you honestly expect that of both men and women then I can agree with that, those are all good traits to have. I'm sorry I misunderstood, I assumed you expected men to be certain of themselves just because of gender stereotypes.
Good to know! Thank you for clearing it up in a kind way, I appreciate it.
The listed nice guy traits are simptoms of a problem within society, the lack of adequate understanding of how to raise and teach boys to become confident and accepting of what they are, men. Education in western society is very female-centred. (Not that girls have it any better. It actually only seems that way).
I think, that most men manifest at least some of those traits at one or more points in their lives. But some suffer greatly.
There's no other way for them to live a happy and fulfilled life, but to face the fact, that the way they live and act is wrong and it will make it impossible to reach their desired goals in life.
The titles are wrong lol. It should be confident guy vs insecure guy. Bad boys make you feel worthless, and nice guys make you feel wanted
Those are not the new BAD BOYS... the list on the right is the NEW and IMPROVED BAD BOY. You are now talking about JERKS who make you feel worthless.
Wow, where did these definitions in the picture come from?
For "bad boy" I could also list "sexually pushy and inconsiderate, domineering, uncaring, player, user, selfish, egotistical, reckless, irresponsible."
For "nice guy" I could write "sensitive, caring, respectful, generous, gentlemanly, responsible."
Thank you!
Honestly... with a list like that... do you expect anyone to say nice guy after that? Lol.
You've basically painted bad boys as confident genuine people who don't give a fuck, and nice guys as just idiots who have no life.
You've basically painted bad boys as confident genuine people who don't give a fuck, and nice guys as just idiots who have no life.
Exactly! Nice observation. Nobody wants to be the stereotypical NICE GUY they want to be a bad boy so I just make a new definition of what one was. Be the guy on the left not the right.. thats all.
I have 10 of the ones listed on the "bad boy" list, and 1 from the "nice guy" list. I'm a good guy, not a push over, and not a jerk either so I don't match what many people think of the typical nice guy or bad boy stereotypes.
Yet I'm not a bad boy at all. Bad boys are the type that talk crap a lot and try to bully people they think they can get away with bullying, they cheat on their partners/have done casual hook ups, they party (drinking or drugs), and act like money is the best measure of someone's value.
I’ve always been good to the women I’ve dated, yet the left list applies to me in every way compared to the right. Hmm.. maybe people are actually multi multi-dimensional in their personality and not all men are of a generic cut out? Who would have thought you can have good values and morals and not be a pussy? Crazy shit man.
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