Do you think its unfair of hot babes to only want to date handsome guys?

[Anonymous]

They should give normal guys a chance too

[LesterJester]

They, you, I, everyone else, doesn't have to do a damn thing or give anybody any sort of chance for any damn reason.

Everybody has their own personal preferences, regardless of how attractive or not they are.

And it has nothing to do with being "Fair" like you're somehow entitled to anything. You're not.

I don't consider myself attractive, or not attractive. I don't know and I don't care. Whether I am or not, I don't owe anybody anything. You don't and girls don't.

For me, it's not just about whether I am physically attracted to someone, but also about what we have in common, their attitude, personality, how they deal and cope with things. Someone can be physically attractive, but if they're a bitch and treat others like crap, their physical attractiveness amounts to crap all and I wouldn't want anything to do with them.

You need to consider something here.

Physical attractiveness is temporary. If all someone has going for them is their looks and body, then what do they have going for them when their old, grey haired, wrinkly and most of their body is sagging off the bones? What about a tragic farming accident or cat crash and have half their face restructured using screws and metal plates?

In other words, when their looks are gone, are you still going to be interested in them and still want them to give you a "fair chance?"

If the answer is no, then you're just as bad as those attractive people you think you're entitled in having a shot with, simply because they're pretty.

You need to consider others as a whole package. Where one may lose a couple of points in looks, they make up elsewhere. And if you stop considering others at their looks, then you're no doubt missing out on better opportunities.

[LesterJester]

*Car crash.
That was an odd autocorrect.

[Citizenkirk]

If dating is a charity or community service, then I suppose it would indicate showing favoritism. Fortionatly, Hot is not a universally shared convention of desirability among the entire population of eligible bachelors and bachelorettes and that those Centerfolds in fashion and sports magazines really don't appeal to me as much as those ladies that have enjoyed their time with me, and I with them.
Having my girlfriend describe me is being something I don't believe other people wood see, like her telling me that I put Fabio to shame, tells me that she has a criteria that is very different than that of women who like Fabio. I can argue and insult her taste in men, or I can simply accept that she see' s something in me that I don't see in myself.
When you have an attractive young woman on your arm who looks at you with adoring eyes, then other women tend to see you that way too, even if they wouldn't see you that way without someone looking at you with those eyes, because they figure that there must be something there that warrants that kind of appreciation. Therefore, they are going to see you that way too.
I'm not attracted too most woman I see in fashion mags because I don't know them and they just don't inspire lust in me. For me to say that this hot babe that I dated thinks I'm a handsome man, sounds arrogant, unless you consider the fact that I'm speaking subjectively, based on her perceptions and my perceptions. To her, I am handsome, and to me, she is hot. So therefore, we're both coming out ahead on that one.

[Anonymous]

Not at all, preferences are preferences. What’s unfair is that hot guys will stick their dicks in even the ugliest women, inflating their egos. A 3/10 woman might think she’s a 10/10 because a 10/10 slept with her, while I’ve seen plenty of guys who are easily 7-8/10s and perceive themselves as 3/10s because they don’t succeed on dating apps (which by design benefit average women A LOT more than they benefit average men). Maybe if men realize their worth and establish actual standards instead of behaving like sex-obsessed beasts willing to fuck women with triple digit BMIs, the average Joes of the world would fare much better when it comes to dating attractive women.

That being said, the ones with the inflated egos are the ugly ones. Most people consider me very attractive, and I’ve dated guys ranging from 4-10/10. Anyone can reach the lower end of that spectrum if they put in the effort. But a 6/10 with a great personality is far superior to a vapid 8/10. You need to maximize everything you can if you want a chance with attractive women. Go to the gym, improve your style, wear fragrances (the good kind, not axe bodyspray), fix your personality if that’s a problem, and maybe even consider plastic surgery. Nice jawlines can be bought. Why aren’t you taking advantage of that? All of that can make a 4/10 into an 8/10, so don’t fret. You don’t need to get yourself to the exact level of attractiveness of the woman you desire, just close to it.

[Opinion Owner]

It’s also important that you understand that women are attracted to evolutionary markers of good genetics. Strong jawline, brow ridge, and cheekbones, to name a few, which can all be surgically obtained, are attractive. A high shoulder to waist ratio, which you can obtain through diet and exercise, is attractive. Height and overall body size are attractive, though there’s not much you can do about that. As long as you trick a woman’s subconscious into finding you attractive, she’ll give you a chance. Women don’t care about your genetics unless you have a 1/10000 genetic disorder or you’re pursuing an actual eugenicist. Attractiveness has a base threshold that should be met, but beyond that, it’s all personality.

[jennifer_bloom]

Being handsome isn’t just genes - it requires dieting and expensive health choices and long and difficult hours in the gym and expensive clothes and life experience dealing with people. This is why I do not blame woman who get job promotions or dating opportunities with their looks - looking good requires effort and sacrifice.

[Psychosocial]

This is for most handsome people, not all.

[Shihab-91]

Work requires skills and learning that's the real sacrifice

[ayushsingh16]

Agreed, but would your answer be same if that guy/girl are in debt just to maintain there looks and lifestyle, while a normal person may not look like it, but has money and everything?

[ayushsingh16]

Sometimes sacrifice can be in form of other than diet and health

[aliali8]

this is only partly true, not entirely true. Being beautiufl is largely due to being born with it. Back then when i was a teenager, i was an ugly duckling. I looked like a boy and I had no idea why i looked that way. No matter how I dressed or did my makeup, i could not draw attention from other teenage boys my age.

It wasn't until I hit 21 when my face transformed and I blossomed into a beautiful young woman. Suddenly, I had guys asking me out when I didn't even dress up nicely at all. I would walk into college in hoodies and sweatpants and many guys would develop crushes on me.

Sure doing your makeup and dressing nicely helps. But it ultimately boils down to what features you were born with

[OlderAndWiser]

Do you think they should "give you a chance" if they do not feel attracted to you?

[VanillaSalt]

Nope. First of hot babes? Second of hot with hot not with not. It’s not wrong to have standards but I think women’s standards are too high. They think their an 8 but their actually a 6 meanwhile they want a 10 but he can have any woman he wants so he’s just gonna one night stand her and she’ll get upset this hunk of man meat don’t respect her.


A better world has women lowering their dating standards while raising their commitment standards... give more average guys a chance and put out less whore for these shitty men. Women shouldn’t give themselves away and ignore 80% of men and then ask where are all the god men and wonder why their unhappy.


About 7-8 years ago I can’t remember I was in a hurry and got into this woman way while she was getting milk at Walmart. I said excuse me and held the door to the milk cooler open for her. She started screaming at me telling me “don’t you talk to me. Don’t you dare talk to me”. Why should I actively put myself out there if this is what I can look forward to for being courteous? Women today need an attitude adjustment. Until that happens it won’t make what man they choose if their bitchy he’ll leave her.

[Egirl28]

You don't think mens standards are too high really? They tend to jump from girl to girl trying to find the next hottest intagram model type girl.

[VanillaSalt]

What standards you talk about? The men that jump from girl to girl are the men that can afford to be selective but choose not to because they have to settle. These are trashy guys that can only exist because women give it up far too easy. What other standards do men require? Most men will willingly go on a date with most women that as them out. Maybe not the 300 lb ones but any half ass good looking woman.

[Egirl28]

Not in my experience I have never given it up and I am not ugly but guys always want the overly sexy girl this is just my experience

[VanillaSalt]

Interesting. I rate myself average or below average myself. Working on that. But I spent 2 years in dating apps paying for subs and got a single date who was unfortunately very short and heavy. Like 5’ 300lbs. I like a bit extra meat but that’s too much for me. Seems like we have similar situations.

[Egirl28]

I give myself a 6.5 or 7 I tall and fit but I don't dress or act sexy. I don't wear tons of makeup. I just want to find someone who is caring and wants more than just sex and is consistent

[VanillaSalt]

I don’t wanna be rude just honest. If that pictures you I rate you a 5 maybe 6. Your average and I don’t see you standing out in a crowd. I would take you out and shoot my shot. Mind you I rate myself 4-5. I don’t mind and even like women that don’t wear makeup or wear it very light. Dresses are cute but so are over sized tees and tank tops. Sexy is about how you wear yourself.

[Egirl28]

Thanks for your honesty now I feel like crying ! I should have never started this conversation

[VanillaSalt]

Please don’t be upset. Your average what’s wrong with that? I feel that people put too much thought into looks. How you carry yourself is infinitely more important to me. A woman who is confident and a 4 is far more attractive than a 8 in my opinion.

[Egirl28]

Believe it or not no women wants to be average and I like to think I do stand out.

[VanillaSalt]

I feel most women believe their worth more than they are and most men undervalue themselves.

As I said ide definitely take you out if you could get over my bluntness. I think attraction is way more than looks and more about persona. That’s the important thing to me and I think many men feel the same. I don’t particularly like being below average myself. I try and compensate by being a better person but never get the chance to show that side of myself.

[Exotic_Insinuations]

What is handsome? Who is handsome? Who sets standards for beauty? And are you 100 percent sure that ALL hot women on this world (there are millions of them) want to date only hot men? Have you spoke with each one of them? How would you even have a time for it?

You are taking a usual presumption of dating - picking a person you find attractive (many people don't even matter how other person looks. It sounds weird for western world, but it's not that strange in other parts of world) and twisting it in unnatural scenario created by media - that there are people who are hot, and people who are not, and that people in hot group only choose their own kind and other way around.

But that theory has a fault - life is unpredictable. You just can't and you will never be able to predict what goes on.

And what is hot? That is even bigger fault of that theory. It's totally subjective - it's just that media picked several body types and said they are hot. Again - reality doesn't work in such simple way.

And if you believe it works that way - it will work that way. If not - it will not work that way.

[Siren777]

We should all be free to date whoever we want. It's all preference... It's not always that way, some people may be hot but cannot hold a conversation. Have a dead beat personality too or boring af. It may not be hard for a "hot babe" to get a date but to get someone who lives up to all their expectations even harder to find. There are lots of "hot people" who are single and get cheated on because people think their lives are easier, it may be to an extent but you never really know who is trustworthy or truthful or if they're only with you for personal gain. So its fair to say it's only personal preference.

[HiveBee]

But that's complete bullshit though. Hot babes date ugly dudes all the time.

The way I see it, men have the advantage. Any guy can get a hot babe. Maybe as mr short hideous guy, you need to be rich or be famous or powerful or a complete social wizard. you have to have the equivalent of hot guy but in some other area of life.

For a woman, if she's a hideous obese monstrosity, she really has zero chance with a hot guy.

Then again, women do have an advantage that even if she is obese and hideous, the hot guy might still stick his dick in her. Also, as a woman, she does not ever have to work to get a man. But she may be forced to settle for less than what she wants of course. Some guys can't get anything even if they did settle.

So if you want a hot babe you have to work for it. Become rich or a social wizard or whatever. You're not just going to get her being some random bum. You can only get other random bum girls. You get what level you are on.

[Anonymous]

Same goes for handsome guys too tho, like a lot of men are so shallow that even if a woman has all the traits you’d want, her face and/or body isn’t great so she has no chance. Not everyone is like this though, and you can’t assume they are, simply because they’re pretty. For all you know they have a love interest and not looking for any other potential suitor.

[flexin-on-yuu]

There’s no way you’re saying guys are just as shallow as girls

[what3ver]

@flexin-on-yuu The premise of this thread shows that guys are equally or more shallow than women. Why are "hot babes" the only women worth talking about?

[Opinion Owner]

@flexin-on-yuu I never said all men, but obviously, a lot of men can be shallow, the same as a lot of women can be, too. If you aren’t a shallow man then bravo, but you can’t act as if there aren’t men and women who are equally as shallow. That’s just unrealistic.
@what3ver agreed!

[flexin-on-yuu]

Women have standards of money, height, dick size, and men only require you take care of your body. We don’t judge you based on the size of your private parts.

[Opinion Owner]

Men don’t judge based off the size of a women’s tits or ass? Come on, have you seen these rappers, social media models, and men with money? Lol. You’re also saying men only care about women taking care of their bodies, what about the men who say they won’t date broke women? Or shame women who still live with their parents? Again, I’m not saying “all men” just how there isn’t “all women” with these traits, but you can’t deny seeing these people exist around you, bud.

[Birdlegs]

Just my two cents here but you said rappers, models, and men with money which are all guys who have their pick of the litter they can literally pay for whatever they want they can be picky. The majority of men might have preferences with titties or cheeks but it’s really not a dealbreaker for men also nobody wants to date someone broke or live with their parents that’s just having standards not a preference

[Opinion Owner]

@birdlegs hey there :) these were just examples to prove the immediate point. For instance, Flexin was saying that men “only” require that women take care of their body, and thats simply not true, because most men care about a broad spectrum of other things, like if she has a good job, morals, etc. I completely agree with what you’re saying, because the people I listed definitely have their pick of the litter. But that’s a whole separate conversation.

[rjroy3]

Nope.

Everyone has minimum thresholds that they'll work with. Trying to guilt or shame someone into going outside that won't change that. Guys and girls both have them

I've been called shallow because I would not date a girl who was too heavy. They felt somehow calling me names or making me feel guilty would change that.

Like, "you know what. You're right. It is shallow for me to want someone I'm ACTUALLY physically attracted to. I'm wrong. I'll date you and struggle to get my dick up instead. Wishing I had a a different life and was with a hotter girl".

Ooooor. I could not do that. I just stick with girls I'm actually attracted to and choose among them based on other deeper characteristics. You have to meet a minimum threshold to get in the door. Hit that and you're better off. That's it.

[Alpha09]

Oh lord. Unfair? Really? No one is obligated to be attracted to you. You are not entitled to thier attention, body or time simply because you think they should "give you a chance." If a man isn't attracted to a woman he isn't required to force himself to like her, to make her feel better. Same goes for a woman who isn't interested in a man. If they aren't attracted to you because you aren't what they are looking for physically then that is thier right as a human being.

[ZackBan]

First off I currently am in Paris, super huge city people from all around the world... Needless to say I see couples by the tons and way less than 10% actually qualify as both hot.

It's always the beautiful girls with average to ugly guys and handsome guys with average to ugly girls.

Second there is no such thing as "fair" when it comes to these things it's small dick energy to complain about this. You want a hot girl no one's stopping you work on yourself, hit the gym get a haircut wear nicer clothes, read a few books to feed your mind and most of all go out and take risks, meet girls, flirt get one to give you a chance don't sit there talking about fair or unfair and waiting for the unverse to take pitty on you and send a babe your way it's not gonna happen this is not some early 2000' romantic comedy where attraction between two completely different characters actually sparks out of no where.

[lonestar_01]

Shit that is a pretty beta thing to say. Even if you're fucking Adonis you'll still get people rejecting you flat out. Some people also are never satisfied when it comes to dating and get bored easily. Time also changes shit, we all age and change physically and it gets harder to stay what you looked like at 25-28 once you get over 35-40 so perceptions change for men and women. You're overthinking too much man, no one owes anyone anything and you by the sound of it have a lack of confidence and esteem. Be more assertive and confident and don't whine

[Agape93]

If you’re not their type, why should they?


Would you date someone wholly unappealing to you?

[RP_Blackburn]

It's never unfair to have standards for who you enter a relationship with.

Even if those standards are hypocritical or ridiculous, it's YOU that's going into that relationship, with YOUR time, effort, body and mind.

That would be like saying it's unfair for me to want to work in a hotel and not a gym. Why? It's my life. The gym may be understaffed, but how tf does that obligate me to apply there?

[lonelyfortune]

Life isn't fair. So it's not wise to expect fairness of any kind in your own life. It will only disappoint you. Objectively speaking, it isn't fair, of course. But these girls aren't fair to themselves either. These kinds of relationships are more likely to fail. If you're distracted by superficials, the real value of a person is implicitly disregarded. If you're a handsome guy, you'll never have to shape your character because there's always girls chasing you. This is why mainstream handsome people have often a worse character. So it will come back to them when the relationship fails.

[Elsa143]

It's not unfair, we don't deserve someone we don't want to be with. We're not born so that below average men can date us. We have preferences too.
You all guys want sex and timepass, so we will rather waste our time with a good looking man and not donate ourselves to someone not pleasing enough.

[Anonymous]

I want you to answer this truthfully-Do you think its unfair of hot guys to only want to date hot chicks? Like Ariana Grande vs Rebel Wilson... who do you think a guy like Harry Styles is going to choose?

Now my answer to your question:

Time for the God's honest truth...

No. It's pretty much expected. Beautiful people date beautiful people usually. It's rare to see an average or below average person with a 9 or 10 and they usually have to have a lot of money or a hell of a lot of personality/charm to get them.

[sk2020]

Is seems like you've got preferences with looks, so why shouldn't they? There's plenty of people who don't care about looks or wouldn't consider people ugly, but nobody owes you or anyone else anything. I'm not what society considers attractive, but I don't think more attractive people should do me a favor because of it. ❗❗If you resent people for not liking you, your mindset may have something to do with it❗❗

[Jusin]

I think people in general need to date more for the person's personality and forming stronger bonds that way. Sure dating a hot girl is great due to how she looks but I'd prefer a beautiful personality and lesser looks then just her having good looks.

[Egirl28]

I wish more guys felt this way!!

[Dazed0N0Confused]

Maybe give average girls a chance, they deserve love too.
Plus the definition of "hot" is subjective.

[stardust2021]

Hmm I think it’s unfair that it sounds like you want to only date “hot babes”. Maybe give normal women a chance too?

[Minahh]

👏👏👏

[CakesNCream]

The real question you're asking is "Do you think its unfair that women *I'm attracted to* only want to date men they're attracted to"?

So basically you just think women are just pretty objects and don't have the same right to choose who they want to be with, that just because you're "nice" they now owe you sex or a relationship?

No woman deserves to be with a man like this, attractive or not.

[Petra150]

What planet are you born on , in the western Europe , we picky women desire nearly everything now days. And beside Me Too issue is made as a second opinion , when our horribel shallowness play a trick on us. The so called hot guys we obviously chose , on behalf of the real gente and nice guys , play a trick on os and show of as the real monsters we should have know they were. Because most women obvious get attracted to the wrong guys due to shallowness. So don't get upset a moral thinking grown up woman like me say what most know , but are scared to admit. It's a poor person who can't admit there mistake. When o were young I too nearly chosed a so-called hot tall dark and handsome guy, but woke up just before I got hurt

[TremorJay]

@Petra150

So all hot guys are assholes? I believe they call that a fallacy. Logic 101 might help you form a better argument

[Petra150]

@TremorJay sorry you jump to conclusions, get a life and don't try to change something most find obvious ofcauce. I'm certainly not into any kind of assulting , just bringing my observations during a 30 year of dating various guys , par wonderful Beta males, as I'd mannaged to avoid them slimy Alpha asshole worthless to most women, guess we leave them for them shallow immature sluts who can't find a real man

[CakesNCream]

@Petra150 he's not the one who needs to get a life, I assure you😂