*Car crash.That was an odd autocorrect.
It’s also important that you understand that women are attracted to evolutionary markers of good genetics. Strong jawline, brow ridge, and cheekbones, to name a few, which can all be surgically obtained, are attractive. A high shoulder to waist ratio, which you can obtain through diet and exercise, is attractive. Height and overall body size are attractive, though there’s not much you can do about that. As long as you trick a woman’s subconscious into finding you attractive, she’ll give you a chance. Women don’t care about your genetics unless you have a 1/10000 genetic disorder or you’re pursuing an actual eugenicist. Attractiveness has a base threshold that should be met, but beyond that, it’s all personality.
This is for most handsome people, not all.
Work requires skills and learning that's the real sacrifice
Agreed, but would your answer be same if that guy/girl are in debt just to maintain there looks and lifestyle, while a normal person may not look like it, but has money and everything?
Sometimes sacrifice can be in form of other than diet and health
this is only partly true, not entirely true. Being beautiufl is largely due to being born with it. Back then when i was a teenager, i was an ugly duckling. I looked like a boy and I had no idea why i looked that way. No matter how I dressed or did my makeup, i could not draw attention from other teenage boys my age. It wasn't until I hit 21 when my face transformed and I blossomed into a beautiful young woman. Suddenly, I had guys asking me out when I didn't even dress up nicely at all. I would walk into college in hoodies and sweatpants and many guys would develop crushes on me. Sure doing your makeup and dressing nicely helps. But it ultimately boils down to what features you were born with
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You don't think mens standards are too high really? They tend to jump from girl to girl trying to find the next hottest intagram model type girl.
What standards you talk about? The men that jump from girl to girl are the men that can afford to be selective but choose not to because they have to settle. These are trashy guys that can only exist because women give it up far too easy. What other standards do men require? Most men will willingly go on a date with most women that as them out. Maybe not the 300 lb ones but any half ass good looking woman.
Not in my experience I have never given it up and I am not ugly but guys always want the overly sexy girl this is just my experience
Interesting. I rate myself average or below average myself. Working on that. But I spent 2 years in dating apps paying for subs and got a single date who was unfortunately very short and heavy. Like 5’ 300lbs. I like a bit extra meat but that’s too much for me. Seems like we have similar situations.
I give myself a 6.5 or 7 I tall and fit but I don't dress or act sexy. I don't wear tons of makeup. I just want to find someone who is caring and wants more than just sex and is consistent
I don’t wanna be rude just honest. If that pictures you I rate you a 5 maybe 6. Your average and I don’t see you standing out in a crowd. I would take you out and shoot my shot. Mind you I rate myself 4-5. I don’t mind and even like women that don’t wear makeup or wear it very light. Dresses are cute but so are over sized tees and tank tops. Sexy is about how you wear yourself.
Thanks for your honesty now I feel like crying ! I should have never started this conversation
Please don’t be upset. Your average what’s wrong with that? I feel that people put too much thought into looks. How you carry yourself is infinitely more important to me. A woman who is confident and a 4 is far more attractive than a 8 in my opinion.
Believe it or not no women wants to be average and I like to think I do stand out.
I feel most women believe their worth more than they are and most men undervalue themselves. As I said ide definitely take you out if you could get over my bluntness. I think attraction is way more than looks and more about persona. That’s the important thing to me and I think many men feel the same. I don’t particularly like being below average myself. I try and compensate by being a better person but never get the chance to show that side of myself.
I wish more guys felt this way!!
What planet are you born on , in the western Europe , we picky women desire nearly everything now days. And beside Me Too issue is made as a second opinion , when our horribel shallowness play a trick on us. The so called hot guys we obviously chose , on behalf of the real gente and nice guys , play a trick on os and show of as the real monsters we should have know they were. Because most women obvious get attracted to the wrong guys due to shallowness. So don't get upset a moral thinking grown up woman like me say what most know , but are scared to admit. It's a poor person who can't admit there mistake. When o were young I too nearly chosed a so-called hot tall dark and handsome guy, but woke up just before I got hurt
@Petra150So all hot guys are assholes? I believe they call that a fallacy. Logic 101 might help you form a better argument
@TremorJay sorry you jump to conclusions, get a life and don't try to change something most find obvious ofcauce. I'm certainly not into any kind of assulting , just bringing my observations during a 30 year of dating various guys , par wonderful Beta males, as I'd mannaged to avoid them slimy Alpha asshole worthless to most women, guess we leave them for them shallow immature sluts who can't find a real man
@Petra150 he's not the one who needs to get a life, I assure you😂
There’s no way you’re saying guys are just as shallow as girls
@flexin-on-yuu The premise of this thread shows that guys are equally or more shallow than women. Why are "hot babes" the only women worth talking about?
@flexin-on-yuu I never said all men, but obviously, a lot of men can be shallow, the same as a lot of women can be, too. If you aren’t a shallow man then bravo, but you can’t act as if there aren’t men and women who are equally as shallow. That’s just unrealistic. @what3ver agreed!
Women have standards of money, height, dick size, and men only require you take care of your body. We don’t judge you based on the size of your private parts.
Men don’t judge based off the size of a women’s tits or ass? Come on, have you seen these rappers, social media models, and men with money? Lol. You’re also saying men only care about women taking care of their bodies, what about the men who say they won’t date broke women? Or shame women who still live with their parents? Again, I’m not saying “all men” just how there isn’t “all women” with these traits, but you can’t deny seeing these people exist around you, bud.
Just my two cents here but you said rappers, models, and men with money which are all guys who have their pick of the litter they can literally pay for whatever they want they can be picky. The majority of men might have preferences with titties or cheeks but it’s really not a dealbreaker for men also nobody wants to date someone broke or live with their parents that’s just having standards not a preference
@birdlegs hey there :) these were just examples to prove the immediate point. For instance, Flexin was saying that men “only” require that women take care of their body, and thats simply not true, because most men care about a broad spectrum of other things, like if she has a good job, morals, etc. I completely agree with what you’re saying, because the people I listed definitely have their pick of the litter. But that’s a whole separate conversation.
I don’t see those same plane James giving me their time.
Plain janes damnit.
@VanillaSalt Well where are you looking? You ain't going to find the girls who may want you in a bar or club.
Dating apps for 2 years.
I don’t drink. And I’ve been the guy yelled at in Walmart for talking to her... said excuse me.
@VanillaSalt yea sorry. if u have been on dating apps for 2 years and no girl ever met up with you. Then there is a good chance you are just ugly. People would date plain janes , but not ugly folks. Ugly is just gone too far
So what you’re saying is there no hope and I should just go kill myself or cereal killer and start killing beautiful women because I’ll never be loved? Is that close?
One other question. How will you feel when your sons ugly? Will you also tell them they can’t succeed?
@VanillaSalt ugly people date other ugly people. If my son turns out ugly then I can’t do anything about that. Humans are meant to be attracted to specific physical characteristics
@VanillaSalt dating apps don’t work well for ugly people. You would fare better getting dates through getting to know women friends. Let your personality shine
While I agree is that the right way to do this? Considering current statistics of women to men rates of homosexuality and the 80/20 rule discovered by an okcupid study that means the top 135million women are fighting over the top 30.8million men. This does not include the men and women that has decided never to marry or just leave the dating scene. In the past this has worked but now with online dating and social media it’s a real problem. Not only this but the quality of these women and men are dropping because women don’t have to be anything to get a man besides look good but men can’t fix many of the things they have no control over. Women are fed up with boys that won’t grow up and the boys are the men that get what they want because they can and the ones that are bitter because they think basically like you said no options for them. This promotes decay in both men and women as is proven by the loss of testosterone and declining birth rate and failing marriage rates.
@VanillaSalt hun evolutionarily, men place a higher importance on physical attraction. While women also require physical attraction too but not to the extreme extent of men. Women consider more factors than men such as: personality and character. Because evolutionarily , a woman who picks the wrong male to mate with , would be costly to herself and her offspring. Since will not be a good father and partner to help raise her offspring. Women also consider other factors such as resources to help raise her children. A mans with good status also helps give her offspring protection from predators Women have more specific standards but not necessarily higher standards than men. But honestly people usually date their own kind. Prostitutes date drug dealers. Criminals date criminals. attractive people date attractive people. Educated men don’t like uneducated women. Poor men tend to date poor women. Rich men tend to date rich women
So do you think 50% of women are beautiful and 50% are ugly? Do you think an equal number of men to women are ugly and beautiful? If not then somebody gets left behind and depending on the number of ugly to beautiful men/women this could be a significant number. Something else that plays into this is single men will never know love. A woman receives praise often through out her life but men do not recover such praise. If their not too specific standards they will never be anything more than average. Meanwhile women get overwhelmed by the attention they get.
@VanillaSalt Ohh.. lots of men do date. Its just that men do all the approaching. Men tend to be braver and bolder and dominant than women. Women tend to be more shy, less brave, less bold. you dont need to be physically attractive as a man to get a date. Plain looking guys get dates as well. But if you're ugly, this approaching technique won't work. You will need to find some other way.
@VanillaSalt Not all women get praise. Ugly women do not get hit on. I remember as a kid , i was an ugly duckling. No guy ever paid any attention to me up to until I was 20 years old. I always felt sorry for myself about why no man wants me. Suddenly when i was 21, my face drastically changed. I am no longer unattractive. I had boys blushing when they looked at me. I had boys develop crushes on me in college. I had guys call me stunning and beautiful. Understand that ugly girls go through the same thing as ugly guys. you're really not special.
And if that never changed? What if you remained ugly forever? Although I just realized you called me ugly but didn’t design it and I only understood it as the base word. What is ugly to you.
@VanillaSalt If i were ugly until right now, i wouldn't know what it was like for be hit on or flirted with. I wouldn't know if i had any worth to men. Ugly is also subjective. What may be ugly to you, might not be as ugly to someone else. What you may find attractive, someone else might not find attractive. But there are some people out there who are universally unattractive. Honestly I can say that 80% of unattractive people are not truly ugly. Its usually because they never groom themselves the right way or take care of their appearance. Ask people about what you can do to look better. Maybe a different haircut? Maybe lose some weight? Maybe workout and get some muscles? Maybe get dressed a little better? All these little things matter.
No no no no no no the hair stays I like my pompadour.
Hey don't think like thatI'm pretty sure it's a small minority of women that just want a handsome guy or only care about a big dickPlus don't talk like you're one of them because you know it's bad 🙂👍Well done for acknowledging thisWomen are fantastic
@JesseCraft07 still hoping to find a decend and human thinking kind of my gender. You might hurry
I've seen multiple 🙂You are as well
@JesseCraft07 there's a guy behind this account, its quite obvious dude lol
@CakesNCream because I'm not as immature shallow asshole , that alone don't make nyme an nice medium great guy, eventhoug bthst might be part of the description of a super medium gyt
I have no idea what you're talking about