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Do you think on average, women have more ridiculous standards than men? (Page 2)
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Yes and no. Yes in that our standards tend to be based on your genetics. Muscle doesn’t actually matter that much, it’s more about your natural shoulder width and skeletal structure, height, face, hair, etc. No because while our standards are definitely higher for one night stands, they’re lower for long term relationships. A woman who is a 10 might date a man who is an 8, but I’ve never seen the opposite.
The thing you need to consider is what another comment mentioned. An ugly woman can easily get with a hot guy because of dating apps, and then the ugly woman will believe herself to be on his level because there aid a greater supply of men than women on dating apps and therefore more demand for women than men. This ego inflation will cause the woman to raise her standards. This is why often attractive women are insecure while ugly women are confident, whereas men usually seem to know where they stand for the most part.
I don't think they have ridiculous standards per se, they just make it difficult to get to know them. They put dating profiles online or on apps only to never use them or never respond to messages. They say that guys should approach them but do everything they can to appear unapproachable. And they say their criteria are reasonable only to ignore a guy who meets that criteria. There's a whole lot of mixed messaging coming from them and guys generally see that a lot of them respond to a guy looking like the above picture, so they assume that's the benchmark for getting a girl, which likely isn't true.
Dude, dude, dude. . . *shaking my head*
You are making SUCH a rookie mistake here. Are you actually suggesting that you learn ANYTHING from reading what women SAY they want in a man? REALLY? Do you HONESTLY think that matters?
If you want to find out what women want in a man do not--I repeat: do NOT ask. Instead look at what they actually DO. WHO are the getting with? What qualities do those dudes have? If you do that, you'll realize that there are a LOT more guys getting PLENTY of high quality ass than just rich, buff, white dudes with huge cocks. I'm sure THOSE dudes are doing JUST fine too, but they ain't the only ones.
Exactly. Often women's actions contradict their words. This is why I never take dating advice from women. Watching their actions has helped me tremendously in knowing how to score them. And if I happen to take advice from someone, it's from a man who knows how to get them
"If you want to know how to catch fish, don't ask the fish, ask the fisherman".
@TruthBringer Yes, yes, and YES! That last line is ESPECIALLY true. I'm just blown away with how many fools actually think the way to understand someones thoughts--ANYONE'S thoughts is to freaking ASK them about it rather than watching their behavior.
This is a cope. Most men don't fit those standards yet still manage to get girlfriends. "Women have impossible standards" is what some men tell themselves to feel better about the fact they can't get a girlfriend.
As someone who has a girlfriend and doesn't meet all the unrealistic standards of so many women, I can guarantee that the reason why I got a girlfriend (a gem) is because she doesn't have unrealistic standards like so many (single) women out there. Calling this "cope" while neglecting studies out there is a cope in itself. Try again.
@TruthBringer Well I didn't deny that some women have unrealistic standards, but if *most* women had unrealistic standards, then why do *most* men get girlfriends?
Most men get girlfriends? Studies show that more people are single compared to previous generations. Where are you getting your stats from? You're very good in making claims, but have nothing to show for
Sweetheart, the dudes YOU'RE attracted to are not "MOST" men. They are in the top 10 to 20%. Most men are invisible to women in terms of dating. A bit of research will do you good
https://youtu.be/EX9mUO9R588
https://youtu.be/5u13_Bdw5eY
True I have seen many shitty guys who have girlfriends
@TruthBringer only 23% of men have never been married. The percentage is obviously even smaller for men who've never had a girlfriend or had sex. www.pewresearch.org/.../
Just because there are more single people nowadays doesn't mean most people are single.
You're still sending data that doesn't prove your point of "most men having girlfriends".
While at the same time neglecting sources I've sent you that DIRECTLY address the thing that we are discussing. Try again.
@TruthBringer only 27% of men ages 18-24 have never had sex, which means 73% of men ages 18-24 have had sex, so most women's standards can't be THAT high if most men get sex by age 24.
www.livescience.com/...sex-stats-virgins-rise.html
Your study still does not validate your claim of most men having or had girlfriends. The source you sent was about sex. Not relationships. At the same time, the study you've sent is quite outdated as today's world, especially with the boom of social media is NOT the same as back in 2006. WOmen's standards have changed drastically compared to before. I suggest you actually look at the present situation rather than trying to validate your views on today by the use of outdated information.
@TruthBringer Okay I found a study with data from 2018 (data from 2020 onward would be unrepresentative considering many people have been in quarantine).
30.9% of men ages 18-24 had reported no sex in the past year. So nearly 70% of men had sex in 2017-2018, which wouldn't be the case if women's standards were impossibly high.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7293001/
And the reason I'm focusing on sex is that it's pretty hard to find data on what percent of people have never been in a relationship. If you can find such data, you can post it.
Again you mix sex with relationships. Having sex is one thing, but having a girlfriend is another. Many men PAY women for sex because they can't get it legitimately. Also, you yourself have made a conclusion that 70% of men have sex while clearly a very small portion of the actual population has been used for this experiment. So statistically speaking, your conclusions are not reliable.
Not only did you not pay attention to the amount of people used in this study, but you also thought that this would mean 70% of men have girlfriends. Which your original claim was and have yet to prove it still. Not all studies are on par and can also contradict each other. So who speaks the truth? I'd choose to see what's actually happening out there. Most guys I know are either single or have never been in a relationship. Can't say the same for all the girls and women I know. Also, we see a huge decline in marriage rates so that explains the consistency of the sexual activity dropping. And seeing how the manosphere has grown rapidly over the years, goes to show that there is something going on on the male part. I suggest you watch the video's I've sent.
All in all, the fact you still lack evidence that the majority of men are or have been in a relationships gives all reason to dismiss your false and self-made up claim. While on the other hand, I've sent you links where someone explains the sexual market of today and also shows stats of women having more sex than men.
@TruthBringer "you also thought that this would mean 70% of men have girlfriends"
Actually, if you read what I said, I said "the reason I'm focusing on sex is that it's pretty hard to find data on what percent of people have never been in a relationship."
"Can't say the same for all the girls and women I know"
How can most women be in relationships if most men aren't? Do multiple women share a single boyfriend? I didn't realize polyamory was that popular these days.
"How can most women be in relationships if most men aren't?'
Simple: women choose to get with top tier men. The top percentage of men. Those are the men who have multiple sexual partners and have had multiple relationships. It's not like it's spread equally among the entire male population. On the contrary actually. There is an influx of incels lately. I may have had multiple relationships, but so many more guys do not. From every guy who has been in a relationship, you got like 8 or 9 more guys who have not. Women target the top percentage of men. You would have known this if you have watched the video's I've sent. And I would gladly send you some more, but not before you watched what you've already been given.
Yes when it comes to sexual selection women have higher standarts than men have. Because sperms are cheap and men don't have much investment but women have limited eggs and greater investment therefore they have to be very careful and highly selective when it comes to sex.
But for long term relationship or partnership women don't value looks much they just want security, lifestyle and little bit love and attention.
But at the end if you want women truly desire you sexually and have passionate sex with you then you need to be good looking. You need to be someone who is genetically superior. Like tall height, fit body with a good frame and most importantly handsome face.
I like normal looking guys, preferably healthy looking and honestly looks to me don’t matter as much. I’ve dated chubby guys before. and I just don’t really care all that much about body type, like I’m not looking for a Calvin Klein model out of a magazine. I think it’s opposite actually, men go for the looks first, women look to see how much attention he gives her, how into her he really is and if he’s like a manly man, is that makes sense.
When it comes to sex and sexual attraction women are more picky because biologically sperms are infinite and eggs are limited and women also invest much more time and resources. But when it comes to long term relationship men tend to be more picky.
No stop listening to all that brainwashing, that’s not always true. I know plenty of girls who are happy with their average SO. I fell in love with a bigger guy, we had great chemistry it’s just things didn’t work out for other reasons.
What i said was basic biology which backed by a lot of studies but whatever 🙂
All the women I have dated have had some pretty impossible standards. My standard is she should be nice all the way around but especially to me. she should love me. I'd like her IQ to be similar or better than mine. Most of the rest is just window dressing though nice hair is a plus if she lets me play with it and as for body, well I like big butts and don't care much about the rest of her body. There are a lot of women with big butts who are single.
Honestly I never really think of it I met this guy's and just went through a year dating he is chubby and honesty I'm the complete opposite I hate really buff guys... not to mention their faces I don't know seems kinda fake most of the time... and honesty I do not care about dick size..
See I don't get the obsession with dick sizes. Most women can't even climax through intercourse anyway which makes a man's size irrelevant. Maybe the bigger it is, the better it feels. But I think if a bloke is willing to compensate in other areas (like oral) then it shouldn't matter.
I climaxed on a penis but I guess that's just me..
Yeah sure, that's great. But I read something many years ago that only a small minority of women can climax during intercourse. I think the number was between 12-15%. So I guess you can consider yourself lucky.
That's funny. A lot of females say that on social media, but I see plenty of unfit, poor couples all the time. Try getting offline and taking a step into the real world.
& there's nothing wrong with wanting to find your partner attractive and financially stable.
Social media not the real world.
it’s a self fulfilling curse social media.
it promotes perfection when in the real world that’s likely 1 in 100,000 people.
if a person goes to a club, pub etc, they see real people doing real stuff, going to the toilet and taking shits, having bad hair and clothes days.
the more people even bother about perfection on social media or continue to promote you must have this body, do these things, the more challenges society will face.
Sure I can see that. Women today have a ridiculous ego cultivated by simps willing to do anything to fuck them. I just can’t stand when men hold themselves to low standards. We can’t control the size of our dick but we can control how much money we have and can workout and acquire a physique like the one in the picture.
Geez. Who hurt you bro. Relax. You'll bounce back they're not all after those things. Hey some girls go for guys who have NONE of those qualities. Or any qualities lol. You should either lower your standards or raise them to find someone right for you bro. Good luck.
Guys usually have a more outspoken shallowness but women can be just as bad. It's a maturity thing, not what sex they are.
Out of the 7 things you mention on things that women are apparently looking for I have 4.
I will let your imagination attempt to figure out which.
I wonder if 4 out of 7 is enough. I have been single for a while so maybe not. Women do tend to have higher standards than men. I don't think there is any particular reason. Its just that more men chase women than the other way around so women have more options and can afford to be picky. Most men do not have that luxury.
Don't be silly.
There is nothing wrong with thinking you have "standards". It's whether you're in league to get those standards that count.
Hence why people with big lists of "standards" tend to end up as incels and femcels.
I think there's a fairly gray area to this.. A lot of women do have ridiculous standards, society has made women feel like they deserve the best even if they are not much themselves.. But there's a lot of women with normal standards.. I would say most women have normal, maybe slightly higher standards, if you are not trying to date them online..
If anything, I think American women have very low standards in real life, no matter how they pretend otherwise on social media. They dream about getting a 10/10 guy and keep him, but the reality is that they'll fuck around with dozens of 6/10 guys before settling down with a loser.
no def not, men’s standards are waaaay higher!!😵😵
I don't think women have incredibly high standards in terms of looks unless it's dating sites. Most women tend to go for the top 5% of men on dating sites.
I do think that their standards are extremely high in most other categories though. Confidence, income/job, humor, generosity, etc.
They don't really care about you being "nice" even though they all say they do. Confidence is what basically gets your foot in the door and keeps them interested in you.
You have obviously been rejected one too many times and have been having difficulties finding a date. Otherwise, I can't imagine why you'd say such nonsense. It's same as saying men on average demand a perfect figure, healthy hair, big breasts, tight pussy and other such crap.
Based on what I have seen women say on YouTube, a significant number on women have unachievable standards, especially about height.
I have seen commentators in the Manosphere crunch the numbers to arrive at a figure for how many men meet a female’s demands.
What the delusional women appear to be unable to understand is that the tiny number of men who conform to the criteria can have women who are 10 to 15 years younger and much better looking than the delusional women.