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I don't think so. The main "standard" that I have is that a relationship is not worth pursuing unless it will make me happier than I already am. Now I would already consider myself a very happy person, so that's certainly a high bar. But I wouldn't call it ridiculous. Because why would I want to date someone who doesn't add enjoyment to my life? Most of the women I talk to have a similar outlook. (Except for a few people who just don't know how to be single, in which case their standards are lower, not higher).
If men's standards are lower than that, maybe that's their problem.
Honestly I think that part of the reason that so many men are desperate to date is that men are told that they aren't allowed to be emotional. The one exception to this is often when they're with their significant other.
It's also why men get mad when women are just friends with them. Because if we share our emotions with them, they think it means something. Because many men have been conditioned to believe that that's something that only happens in relationships. But women do that with their friends already.
If we're solely talking physical standards, I still don't think we have ridiculous standards - at least not any more than men do. Our standards are just more obvious because men are usually the ones asking someone out. And therefore men are the one's getting rejected.
But if a guy is getting rejected ALL the time I actually think it's probably his standards that are too high. Most of the guys I see complaining about that only ask out women who are far more attractive than they are, and then calling the women shallow for not wanting to date them due to their appearance, when appearance was the very reason they chose those women in the first place. But that's an individual thing. And some individual women may have standards that are too high as well.
I don't think that women have more ridiculous standards than men, and I don't think that women's standards as a whole are too high.
Because if she’s just there to do her job, she doesn’t actually have feelings for you.
Or do you mean that you date them outside of work? In which case, so long as you’re both happy.
It sounded like you were making a joke about dating not being worth it. And saying that you just go to strip clubs instead.
No I go to strip clubs to date they only let nines and dimes work there and they’re super slutty and good at sex but they’re not whores a lot of them are really smart and funny they make a lot of money too so they never ask for mine if I get them a gift or present it cause I wanted to I don't know y most guys don’t just date strippers
Well something you said I don’t agree with though if your more concerned with your happiness then you shouldn’t be dating not that yours doesn’t matter but that’s no excuse to date or not people can be happy and not be in love people can be happy but not trust each other I’m just saying more goes into a relationship than just being happy that sounds more like a friendship because there are gonna be times when your not happy a lot of times some for a long time because relationships are a lot of work
Why do you think I have lower standards for myself than I do for my partner? If I’m going to get into a relationship, obviously I’m going to be concerned with my partner’s happiness as well. But that’s a standard for myself. Not so much for my partner. So it wasn’t relevant to my answer. If I don’t think that I will make another person happier, obviously I won’t date them.
And in my opinion the best relationships are ones that are also friendships. I know there are going to be times that aren’t so happy. But if the relationship as a whole is bringing you down, that’s an unhealthy relationship. The point of relationships is that you and your partner should improve each other’s lives. Improve each other, and make each other happier. I know that love and happiness don’t always go hand in hand, but sometimes the most dangerous relationships are the ones where you love someone, but they’re just not good for you. It sucks, and it’s hard, but those are relationships which need to end.
So I think it makes a lot of sense to not want to date someone who I don’t think will make me happier. And obviously, I won’t date them if I don’t think that I will make them happier as well. But again, the question was about standards that women have for the people that they date. Not the standards that women have for themselves.
Dude, we’re the same age. You don’t have some magical wisdom that I lack. You don’t need to agree with me, but don’t get all condescending and state that I’ll be proven wrong eventually after you fail to prove me wrong yourself.
And what is even the standard that you think makes something right or wrong? I’ve decided that I want to spend my life maximizing joy and minimizing suffering, to put it in the simplest terms possible. For myself and for others. I chose my career because it makes me happy, and it helps other people. I choose my friends because they make me happy, and I make them happy. So why should my dating preferences not reflect that?
I’ve never seen an unhappy couple, and thought “I want to be like them.” All I think when I see people who are less happy together than they are apart is that they should break up. Because clearly they aren’t good for each other.
If you can give me a good reason that I should date someone who does not make happy, then I’ll change my mind. But you already tried. And you failed. Not to mention, you haven’t even presented any alternative criterion of your own.
I realize that you’re trying to end the discussion, but the “time will prove me right” argument is useless, especially considering that you don’t have any more life experience than I do. And you’re only saying it because you don’t have anything else to back up your point, but you still feel the need to get the last word in.
For future reference, a more efficient way of ending a disagreement that you know you can’t win is to just say “let’s agree to disagree.” There’s no need to call anyone dumb, or make some unverifiable claim of accuracy.
And P. S., putting “I’m sorry” at the beginning of something doesn’t make it any less condescending.
Have a nice day! 😊
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Oh please, like women don't have standards to abide to! Perfect skin, hair professionally done, nails professionally done, makeup on point, outfit on point, perfect body, shaved legs, and ESPECIALLY the expectation to just bounce back soon after giving birth. Oh and if that's all you are then you're just a bimbo so you also need to be smart, well-spoken, well-mannered, laid-back.
I don't know a single woman who expects a man to be everything. Your problem is you look for dated on Tinder or small dungeons called clubs.
You tell him sister.
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@Vivaldi bullshit? Please elaborate on that, because literal science proves what she’s saying
amp.theguardian.com/.../...encequestions.evolution
'on point' basically means perfect: makeup applied the right way to look your best.
Everything you said was based on appearance and if it was flipped and all guys had to do was look good a lot of women wouldn’t be single because that’s nothing compared to what women really expect from us how hard is it to look good for people who already think your mad attractive that’s why I think women only put so much effort in their appearance because of other women
Didn't know smart, well-sponed, well-mannered and laid-back are based on physical appearance 🤡
Well-spoken*
First you accused me of mentioning only things related to appearance and secondly when I burst your bubble and showed you that I didn't you changed your tone and accused me of not understanding men. Lmfao.
Yeah right 🥴
Lmao. This is a public thread, anyone can have a convo 😩 goofyy
And it is valid. Men like you are garbage, you have such a god complex that you feel as certain people’s views are invalid just cause they make your little feelings hurt.
It’s alright, natural selection will sort you out.
@doopayo Um you do know pussy is so common it can be bought right you do know there are trash women also right how is natural selection gonna do anything about that
And it is invalid because it’s wrong she knows nothing about the opposite sex just like you everything she said sounds like something that came from another woman because men don’t care about nun of that stuff
Lmfao. That sounds wrong on so many levels and degrading to women. You literally think women aren’t worth more than their genitalia. 😐
Everything she said is on point and facts. Just cause you don’t understand it doesn’t make you temper tantrum about someone else’s opinion make you seen any less stupid.
And again with the “ men don’t care about nun of that stuff” I wasn’t aware you where the head council of all men and speak on behalf of all of them. 💀
@doopayo one most women aren’t worth more than that and if they are idc I personally see no reason to associate with them beyond sex
Two what she said and what you are saying is invalid neither of you have ever been men in the words of Chris breezy “how you gonna hate from outside the club? You can’t even get in”
And Third Yes I am the Morax I speak for the men bitch I HAVE SPOKEN😂
Istg you say a bunch of stuff and me are like 'lol we just want the kitty cat'
You say that men just want the kitty cat and they react like 'omg what you think you are that's why men don't date women'
Fucking clowns.
The truth is that both sides are equally messed up when it comes to standards, though in different ways. Also, everyone has their own idea of what they want and generalizing standards for either side is just childish. Some have high standards, some have low standards, and others still have no standards... Some women expect a guy to give them the world and treat them like a goddess and others only want a guy that pays even the slightest attention to them. It's a mixed bag, same with us men. Some people base everything off what they see on tv and other media and others base their standards off the books they read as a kid. The problem is that everyone, at least in my experience, expects the other side to be mind readers and somehow magically know what they want and to just do it. That's not how it works, communication is key in any relationship. The best way to avoid disappointment is to be honest from the beginning and say what your standards are, saves time and effort and no one gets hurt.
"Wishful thinking only leads to disappointment" "Hesitation leads to disaster"
I think men are more superficial (i. e. they won't date someone they aren't attracted to.) Thankfully most men are attracted to most women. But women have higher standards. I mean the numbers dont lie. less than 10% of women can't find a relationship and most of those are voluntary. Compared that with almost 40% of men and rapidly growing, and its pretty clear that most men dont measure up to womens expectations.
Women hold themselves to a high standard, but like i see other women here saying to have a man you must do A, B and C, but no, you really dont. you're choosing to do A, B and C, and its not to impress men. We dont give a shit, truly, so stop blaming us for uour decisions. You want to impress other women. Dont wanna shave your legs and armpits, then dont do it. I dont know a single women who doesn't shave who can't get a date when she wants to. Dont want to wear make up? Then fucking dont. Its not a dealbreaker. Say you need a perfect body?, well the majority of women in the USA are overweight or obese, and most of them seem to be able to get partners.
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Maybe the issue is trying to find a real person to date on social media 🤷🏼♀️ Stick to the "real world" and maybe you'd find more "real" people that just go by the person and their character/personality...
When most people suck, of course you're going to choose a lot of people who suck, obviously I dont go for sluts or gold diggers, or man haters, I've gone from cheerleader to nerdy girls, to preppy girls, to sporty girls to outdoor girls of ALL shapes and sizes of all different attraction levels, and they have all acted the same way towards me, so if there's some special way to choose please let me know, and if I remember correctly weren't you married more than once? 🤔
If you really, really, really believe what you are saying inn this post, go to the mall, have a seat in a busy corridor, and count the couples who pass by who do not fit your criteria.
Studies have proven that women's expectations are higher than men most definitely. Anyone who claims otherwise is speaking out of their arse. At the same time, I can't really blame women for having these expectations. If you got hundreds of dudes throwing themselves at you, of course you're going to pick the best of the best and think you deserve the best of the best. It's men who got themselves to thank for being in this predicament. You got dudes pedestalizing women who are a 3 out of 10 making them think they are at least a 7 of 10. If men start to raise their standards, women wouldn't be so inclined to have theirs that high.
https://brightside.me/inspiration-relationships/men-claim-they-face-more-unrealistic-beauty-standards-than-women-and-studies-confirm-it-798239/
The article you linked mentioned an okcupid study where people rated attractiveness of photos. Height is invisible in photos.
I did a poll and most men said they spend less than 5 minutes on their online dating pictures. Most women said they spend more than 20 minutes. Men can't expect to be rated as highly as women if they put in less effort.
@mistixs You realize that dating doesn't only happen online and that many women have their height preferences in their bio or even filter on them depending on the app. Don't try to cherry pick certain information out of equations just because they contradict your own beliefs. Like I said, give me a valid source to your claim that men's biggest issue is their effort rather than their actual appearance such as face, bodystructure, cheekbones, height which are all determined by genetics. There are experiments out there where you see template photo's of men being assessed by women where all you see are the genetic aspects of a man. It all leads to genetic preferences. You can have the best dressed short guy out there, but he will still face rejection for his height (example). Anyway, make sure your next reply is with some valid sources. I've noticed you asking someone else for sources which is hypocritical since you've not given any yourself.
You know what's funny? I wouldn't exactly classify myself as being a high quality partner as I am short and have disabilities. I would rate myself a 4 maybe a 5 on a really good day. Yet despite this I consider the vast majority of women online to be utterly updatable. Most of these women are quite visually striking but as far as I am concerned that is all they've got going for them. Character substance is of great importance to me and sadly this is sorely lacking in many women these days.
It's not hypocritical because I'm not making an outrageous claim. I'm making a common sense claim (that if you put in more effort, you'll be rated more attractive). The claim that most men are virgins at 30 is outrageous which is why it requires a source.
But if you want a source, then here. Women are rated as less attractive when they don't wear makeup.
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../...7-2494.2003.00188.x
www.sciencedirect.com/.../S0278431909000619
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../...1-9029.2006.00016.x
www.sciencedirect.com/.../S0304394014001517
I'm a woman. If I wake up and take a picture without any preparation whatsoever, I don't expect to be rated equally as attractive as a woman who put in an hour of effort grooming herself, putting on makeup, doing her hair, etc. So why is it a shock to men that they're also rated as less attractive than those women who put in so much more effort?
@AzzaBlue Absolutely, their biggest card is their looks. Which will end up fading one day anyway. But since they are getting pampered to by society while they are in their prime, they see no need to actually be appealing in personality. at least many of them don't. SO they don't work for something they are already getting for free. While men on the other hand must do hard work in order to stand out from other men.
@mistixs You sent me sources that prove women be more attractive when they are wearing make-up. Something that nobody here argued against. It's obvious since the beauty industry is worth millions. Which of these sources proves that if men tend to put effort in their appearance that it would help them significantly in terms of dating to a point that it overrides the requirement of things such as height from women? There is only so much a man can do to be attractive and unfortunately, lots of men do not succeed anyway. You've still not proven anything.
@mistixs Height is very relevant within the dating world and we all know it. Not every study covers EVERYTHING eh. And depending on the photos, you can still SEE how tall someone is in a picture. Many people show their entire bodies within pictures (holiday pictures for instance) So taking out height from the equation for your own confirmation bias is inaccurate.
The worst part is, that bitch is fat and ugly. And there's nothing wrong with either, but don't be a 3 demanding a 10. That's complete bullsh*t and yes, women do this all the time. Blame all the simps (beta males) of the world who keep putting pussy on a pedestal, as if these same women would ever do the same to you.
Also, you forgot height and ego in those requirements. If a man is less than six feet tall and not a multi-millionaire, he's literally f*cking undateable to the modern "woman" (girl, I should say). And ego before all... The more you treat a woman like sh*t, the more they want you, because they think you've got ladies beating you off less and right. Yet, you treat a woman like a normal girlfriend used to be and she treats you like dirt, because she thinks you're "needy and clingy" and "I know I can do so much better, girl!"'
Society is doomed and you all deserve it. Not only is "Idiocracy" a documentary, but so is "Children of Men." Japan started it, and Western feminism hopes to finish the job of killing the human race with a slow whimper. And yeah, I know; it's cynical and jaded AF. But look at the reality we live in.




@TruthBringer only 23% of men have never been MARRIED. The percentage of men who have never had a girlfriend or had sex is obviously even smaller. www.pewresearch.org/.../
@mistixs Your source does not say anything about girlfriends. Seek out the source I've given you under YOUR comment. Goes to show that less men are getting sex compared to before. Let me also throw this one in:
https://youtu.be/qeYts4AzRUo
@TruthBringer nearly 80% of men have been married. How can a man be married and never have a girlfriend?
@mistixs
"How can a man be married and never have a girlfriend?"
You're referring to older men and outdated data. YOUNG men nowadays are the ones who don't have a girlfriend and aren't getting married or have sex. Like, men under 35.
Furthermore, just because a man does hypothetically get a girlfriend doesn't mean her standards aren't really high or that they're in a happy relationship. Tall men exist, and so do simps. Some men are seeing reality for what it is and realize too many women are asking for too much and offering nothing much of value in return (not affection, not love, not loyalty, not cooking, not cleaning, and often, not even sex), so are done trying to impress an ungrateful generation of feminists. While other men are just doubling down on the simping and groveling at less and less attractive women's feet.
Women have these standards for what they GENUINELY want in a man for a relationship, but will just as happily play a simp for a fool until his cash runs out. And I think you are fully aware of this.
And I'm not trying to discredit your argument, but too often, women in general will make excuses for anything rather than ever take blame or admit fault, even if it's not 100% their fault. Men have always been used to it. They just used to be more silent about it and just keep their mouths closed because "happy wife, happy life." But since there are less and less wives, straight women, or loyal women...
@mistixs And still hav not proven that most men have girlfriends. If that were the case, then the manosphere or incel community wouldn't be where it is now. My sources clearly show and explain to you that MOST men are INVISIBLE to women in terms of dating. So no, most men DON'T have girlfriends. You're speaking out of your own made up wishful thinking. Either come with VALID sources that directly prove your claim or stop making a fool out of yourself and be quiet on matters you have no knowledge about.
Yes cause today's modern day woman can pretty much get any guy they want. If you take and average girl that's really not doing much just going to school , no car, life goals or anything they expect a guy that's better looking with a car, there life figured out and apartment and all these personality aspects to go along with it. And they will usually get that guy too. but if you take a guy with all that and is average looking and get a girl who is pretty but still has nothing going for her she will rejected that same guy even if he has everything she's looking for just based on looks. That probably sounds confusing cause it is woman are backwards. Men let woman get what they want a little to easy these days as well but that's the way things are and no one is really willing or wanting to change it. There are some people in big name industries that call woman out on such topics. Such as Kevin Samuels, but he's one guy he's not gonna change how things are and work. Society set the ground rules and saw it as acceptable and now everyone just follows those ground rules and does their best to navigate it not much else we can do.
Yes, in a sense.
🤷♀️Women get judged more on looks and with age it's a bit harder to hold certain standards. Getting fit is very easy for women.
Eat same or a bit less calories than you burn, workout a bit for 5 months. Awesome shape, from a decent starting point. Hair, clothes, makeup and styling costs plenty of time and money each day.
During sex it's way more acceptable for a woman to just lay there, in few poses.
Women can be half homeless and still wanted. Some dudes are scared of successful women.
Women appeal to most men if they are easy on the eye, friendly and with a warm personality, with some smarts.
🤷♂️Guys have a lot harder time to get fit. Yes, losing fat is exactly as easy as with women.
Building muscle, plenty of it, for a nice V takes about 3 years of constant work, 5 days a week, better meal planning.
Guys clothes and hair work is fairly simple.
Guys are excpected to perform better and know more about what they are doing. Also a guy can't just enjoy sex and cum to quick, has to think about his naked grandma or something to help reduce the fun.
Guys are expected to provide more or decent amount. To be more successful etc.
In general guys are excpected to be smart, funny, protective, the one making the move and be interesting for her.
Not a women vs men thing, just what i have noticed.
No, I think people obsess over what the opposite sex says they want or what they think the opposite sex wants too much. Normal people end up with people who are on their level eventually. People end up with and fall for people who are not their ideal or usual type all the time.
For women I think that when they're young, if they're half decent looking, they can have their egos blown up when they use social media or online dating apps. They have a bunch of thirsty guys trying to get laid with them, and they do get fit good looking men trying to fuck them also.
They don't tend to keep them around because the guy has much lower standards for casual sex which is often the only reason he's talking to her, she's easy and he's horny. The girl doesn't realise this and thinks that she's on his level when she isn't. It just goes to their heads.
Then they come back later once they're nearing 30 with meltdowns like Tomi Lahren, asking where all the good men have gone. They don't think that they will but they will.
Do you think it might be possible that you’re empowering the over exaggerated, skewed and false expectations of social media? While that could possibly be the average opinion of a small percentage of vapid girls who live their lives by social media, I promise you it’s not the actual average girls opinion. The guys that impress me and get my attention are the ones with enough courage and confidence to approach me and engage in an actual conversation rather than cluttering my DM with unwanted dick pics and mindless bragging about the things they supposedly own inevitably followed by a request to see me nude. Ughhhh. Guys like that automatically get blocked. The guys that can actually ask me out and we have a good time together get to do much more than just see me naked 💋
I enjoyed reading your comment and gave it a "thumbs up." I would like to add that many men only have one standard: great sex. However, women have more standards but they aren't unreasonable. Generally speaking.
What you're saying is valid, but the problem is, if a guy isn't attractive to a girl, there's more and more risk to him approaching a girl and asking her out. He'll get called a stalker, or sexual harasser, or creep, or incel just for TALKING to a woman while being unattractive. Meanwhile, women never have to actually make first contact with the man if they don't want to, so they risk nothing in return, let alone being accused of being a creep for daring to talk to a woman while being under six feet or not looking like an A list celebrity or athlete.
Some men may be "cowardly" in talking to a woman, but there's a good reason for that. Many many women are less and less kind nowadays and get off on being mean to men they deem inferior and will justify it by calling them creeps or perverted. And social media and the mainstream media in general are hammering this idea home with the Culture War and war against boys. "Decent normal people" inbetween the "vapid girls" and "dick pic guys" are becoming more and more rare because of these two extremes.
Nope. The bar is low as hell nowadays. Women will applaud men for the bare minimum nowadays. What you described is mostly just a fantasy many of us have. However most women lower their standards according to the quality of men around them. Most average everyday women have average everyday men. We’ll say We want Mr. Perfect, but we know we can’t really expect that from y’all so we typically settle for Mr. Decent.
Most women’s standards are loyalty, ambition, compassion, and at least a in looks. And even these are seen as high standards by some women.
You explained it well and that last part is true. A woman over here said expecting loyalty from men is too unreal and that if he takes care and provides for you, that is more than enough. She was sick and her hubby was banging a college girl in the next room with her knowledge. Smh
Most men have " loyalty, ambition, compassion" and mediocre looks. Yet most young Western men nowadays don't have a girlfriend. If personality is literally all that truly mattered, decent men wouldn't becoming bitter and jaded and going MGTOW.
People suck on both sides of gender, but women hold all the leverage and power in the dating world, so they're culpable to receive more blame for this since they all too often will pass up decent men for "hot men". At least until they reach their mid 30s.
According to studies women find 80% of men below average in terms of looks. And based on your words (at least 6 in looks) a man has to be in the top 20% in order to be average or above average. Just saying 😀
Based off what you listed,... Do i want him to—
Be attractive? Yes
Be Buff? Not required
Be Popular? Lord no, not to the point i have to share him with the world
Have money? At least enough to cover his own expenses
Be white? Its a bonus ig but I’m more than happy dating my own
Have a Big Dick? More so long than thick
Be a Big fan of my movies? Absolutely
Have Family approval? Lmao fck that
I think i have reasonable standards (not referring to what you listed above) but i like to make sure i’ve reached the standards myself before expecting someone else to have met them. For example, I can't want a guy to be crazy fit if im not crazy fit myself
Still, i rather have ridiculous standards than none at all. Too many people have no standards and will fuck anything that walks/breathes
That gif tho 😂😂😂
@Brainsbeforebeauty its true and also why a lot of people prefer sex in the dark
True true
I like your reply, except that I'd need to be a "BIG fan of your movies". Wtf? That's not a very important thing in a relationship. But since I now have to know, please list 10 of your favorite movies and let me see if I cringe over more than half, ok? Please :)
@loveslongnails lol i love to watch shows and movies. I've dated someone who liked almost all opposite shows/movies so we never really watched much together. I’ll just copy and paste this whole list i made a while back. You can copy and paste it back but just erase the ones you dont like. We’ll see if its anything left on your list 🤣
Jurassic Park Series, Scary Movie 1/2, Bring It On, The Fugitive, US Marshalls, Cheaper By the Dozen, Point Break, Hotel Transylvania 2, Xmen Wolverine Origins, Xmen Apocalypse, Next Friday, Friday After Next, Happy Feet, The Incredibles, Jumanji, Kill Bill, Charlies Angels, Like Mike, Mad Max/Fury Road, Roll Bounce, Final Destination 1-3, Death Race, Johnson Family Vacation, Commando, Vacation, AVP, The Best Man, Big Mommas House 1/2, Sweet Home Alabama, This Means War, Madea Family Reunion, All About the Benjamins, The Parent Trap, Resident Evil 1/3, Saw II/V, The Wizard of Oz, The Wiz, Harry Potter Chamber/Prisoner/Goblet, What Happens in Vegas, Species 1/2, Anaconda Hunt for the Blood Orchid, Deep Blue Sea, Sound of Music, Spy Kids 3, The Man in the Iron Mask, Robin Hood Men in Tights, Fast Five, The Frighteners, Think Like A Man, The Hitcher 2007, Cellular 2004, Captain America Civil War, Spiderman 3, Incredible Hulk, Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer, Godzilla 1998, King Kong 2005, Meet Joe Black, Bird on a Wire, Not Another Teen Movie, The Punisher 2004, Primeval, The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Tarzan, Soul Surfer, The Impossible, Captain Phillips, The Temptations, Balto, Dreamgirls, 3 Ninjas High Noon, Rush Hour 1/3, Along Came a Spider, Romeo Must Die, Dont Breathe, Cradle to the Grave, Tucker Dale Vs Evil, Tamara, Pet Sematary 2, House of Wax, The Good Son, The Covenant, you're Next, Santas Slay, Cursed, The Faculty, Doom, Slither, Zombieland, Earth Girls are Easy, Daylight, Hot Boyz, Love Dont Cost a Thing, The Marine, Tin Tin, Skyfall, and The Belko Experiment. These are movies i can watch repeatedly 🤷♀️
Ok, let me respond like this... first, movies I'm a BIG fan of... BIG FAN, that are on your list and would watch again. And, those I didn't like at all the first time and would never re-watch, and those I've seen and were ok but won't watch again. The rest I've never seen.
BIG FAN: Fugitive, Point Break, Kill Bill 1 & 2, Skyfall, The Wizard of Oz (original)
Seen/ most good, some just ok, some bad: Jurassic Park Series, Scary Movie 1/2, Bring It On, US Marshalls, Xmen - ALL of them, Happy Feet, The Incredibles, Jumanji, Charlies Angels, Mad Max/ALL, Roll Bounce, Final Destination 1-3, Commando, AVP, Big Mommas House 1/2, Sweet Home Alabama, Madea Family Reunion, All About the Benjamins, The Parent Trap, Resident Evil 1/3, What Happens in Vegas, Species 1/2, The Man in the Iron Mask, Robin Hood Men in Tights, Fast Five, Think Like A Man, The Hitcher 2007, Spiderman 3, Incredible Hulk, Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer, Meet Joe Black, Bird on a Wire, The Punisher 2004, Captain Phillips, The Temptations, Dreamgirls, Rush Hour 1/3, Along Came a Spider, Romeo Must Die, Cradle to the Grave, The Good Son, The Covenant, The Faculty, Doom, Slither, Zombieland, Earth Girls are Easy, Daylight, The Marine,
The rest I haven't seen.
@loveslongnails lol well my taste isn't the worse then
This is simply what you tell yourself.
If you value someone based on their Instagram followers, you seriously need to change your priorities.
Huge dicks are overrated. Anywhere between 5 and 7 inches is enough.
Women are capable of making our own money. I have no idea how much my partner makes. I met him at the supermarket. He still works there.
I’ve never been into buff guys. I think that’s a young girl thing, something you grow out of, like the whole bad-boy attraction.
Tall... yes, but it’s not a deal breaker.
It sounds like you need to go out and meet actual girls instead of reading what other guys think girls want online.
I liked your comment and gave it a "thumbs up." I would like to add that on dating sites it does seem like women have more ridiculous standards than men. That's because women have more options available to them so they can be picky. But in real life it's different. The women probably don't have more options so they don't have those high standards. I hope that makes sense.
Perhaps so. I’ve never been on a dating site so I don’t know that world.
@missgeorgia
"It sounds like you need to go out and meet actual girls instead of reading what other guys think girls want online." This is so true when a person is on a dating site.
This is stupid. More than 60% of men are virgins until after age 30. That's very telling.
Back in the old days, before Tinder and social media, most men were making out before age 21. A lionshare before 18.
Women believe all men they chase, are all men, whereas they are chasing a much smaller group of very good looking and successful men. These guys have around 20-40 girls they see in a month. There other guys maybe a few to one girl. The rest no girls. The proof is in the pudding. Numbers don't lie. Don't liste to what they say, follow what they do, and listen to their bitter reactions. Men are all scum is pretty common. Men are all cheaters. Men are never available while half the other population can't even get the time of day.
Dating is non-existent, and most young people meet online for what was then unconventional meetups that are not put to dinner and a show. Now it's Netflicks and coffee. There is too much effort to go out and really meet anyone, anymore.
No.. I think men have more ridiculous standards because they think we can all be models and housewives and pop out kids without a single stretch mark work and raise kids and allow them not to do anything with their kids making us do all the work and staying fit and dressing nice and having big boobs and needing makeup etc. In my experience most the stereotypical stuff men think women want from a guy isn't remotely accurate. Personally I look for a good personality first looks never matter they are a bonus and I don't expect rich just able to survive is okay but what I look for most is being treated with love and respect and knowing he will put effort in and help with housework and the kids and support my rights to choose what I like to wear and vice versa.
"No.. I think men have more ridiculous standards because they think we can all be models and housewives and pop out kids without a single stretch mark work and raise kids and allow them not to do anything with their kids making us do all the work and staying fit and dressing nice and having big boobs and needing makeup etc." 😂😂😂.. That's not even remotely true cause most women don't look like models, and you have guys simping over women who are not models so that's far from truth.. 😂
You've forgotten the... Enormous Private Island, Huge Mansion, Super Size Private Yacht, Massive Private Plane, Extremely Large Holiday Homes Around The World, oh and not forgetting all the Staff to cater and run all of this! That will do for starters. 🤗
It's about equal. But really, if you're looking online, this is going to be the kind of thing you see.. It's ok for people to have preferences you know, I don't see why so many people are angry about it. I'm sure eventually you will find someone who was looking for a partner like you or whatever. If they have extremely unrealistic standards, then they aren't worth your time. Those kinds of people will never be satisfied, and, lets face it, there always will be someone out there who is 'better looking' than you, and they will probably cheat. They are the kinds of people to stay away from.
People usually end up with someone who is on their level.
On that list I don’t have racial preferences, I’m happy with buff , skinny and average , I don’t like fat. They don’t have to be rich but have a stable job. Too big on the dick size is painful , I just don’t like small. I wouldn’t force a man to watch stupid rom coms Because I don’t like them. It’s important to have a bunch of stuff in common but separate hobbies. My parents would have to like him because my sister has disappointed them in partner choice. And they definitely have to vibe with my friends.
But if you think the women in America are bad just look at the ones in China. It’s even a harder list.
Bro why you care. there's always rotten apples between it. These so called high standard girls are the type of girls that can't even hold a relationship because late or early even the status guy gets pissed off by them with their outstanding character. I dont have a job nor car ( have my income though and im not broke ), im chill and just do my thing and they always come to me. I've had rich girls that drive 100k mercedes come at me and girls that work at the supermarket. Its all about the vibe these girls with standards match nobodies vibe and dont really care for the person you are.
No, I think young women tend not to have that much standard, or if they do, it's usually ridiculous. A good amount of women who have been hurt have ridiculous standards because of fear, few are realistic. Most Grown women in their middle age know what they are talking about and most women in their sixties and above are wise.
A small amount of men have realistic standards and are good men around 40% hypothetically and the rest are just ridiculous and that goes for any age.
Some men grow up and some men don't.
Dating apps give us some useful insights. Young women in their 20s have higher standards than young men. They will only swipe right for a small minority of men, while on average the men swipe right for about 50% of the women. This leaves all but the highest status men out in the cold, and the most sought after men able to play the field without having to make commitments. Also, a woman in her 20s can attract a well established man in his 30s if she so chooses. This is difficult to compete with for a young man, especially if he is suffering from the extended adolescence that is common today.
However, the tables get turned when people get into their 30s. At that point, single men who have their act together and are not abusive get more difficult to find. Such men often have higher standards than women of the same age.
What guys fail to understand is we CAN have high standards. The ratio of men to women on dating sites is very much in our favour and we don't have to settle for "Mr he'll do". A girl can look like a bull dog licking piss off a nettle and she'll still get tonnes of guts hitting on her online. If she wants a buff guy with money and a huge dick she'll have those guys competing for her.
This is a trap that many ignorant will women fall into. Dating apps are not a true reflection of reality as like you said women will be receiving lots of attention online. This will lead to women feeling that they are high quality even though in reality they are of average to low quality. For example lets say there is this girl who is average looking and is a real dorkish type bookworm who spends most of her time at a library. Do you really think that she is going to get loads of attention from men at such a place? One day she decides that she wants a boyfriend and gives online dating a try and is surprised that her inbox is inundated with dozens of messages. All of a sudden she develops a rather high opinion of self that doesn't match reality and blokes that she would've given a chance are all of a sudden 'beneath her.' It is a widely accepted fact that the majority of men on those sites are sleazy simps who crave female validation and/ or want to get their peepee touched. As a result many of these women will become angry and jaded by the experience and they'll start asking silly questions like "where are the good men?" Women can have demand want they want in a partner until they are blue in the faces. But don't come crying to us men (the good men) when you get your heart broken.
@purplepoppy you're right on. Most Millennials don't even know how to test woman let alone act like REAL MEN.
If you want to get fucked this is true.
Yes and no. Yes in that our standards tend to be based on your genetics. Muscle doesn’t actually matter that much, it’s more about your natural shoulder width and skeletal structure, height, face, hair, etc. No because while our standards are definitely higher for one night stands, they’re lower for long term relationships. A woman who is a 10 might date a man who is an 8, but I’ve never seen the opposite.
The thing you need to consider is what another comment mentioned. An ugly woman can easily get with a hot guy because of dating apps, and then the ugly woman will believe herself to be on his level because there aid a greater supply of men than women on dating apps and therefore more demand for women than men. This ego inflation will cause the woman to raise her standards. This is why often attractive women are insecure while ugly women are confident, whereas men usually seem to know where they stand for the most part.
I don't think they have ridiculous standards per se, they just make it difficult to get to know them. They put dating profiles online or on apps only to never use them or never respond to messages. They say that guys should approach them but do everything they can to appear unapproachable. And they say their criteria are reasonable only to ignore a guy who meets that criteria. There's a whole lot of mixed messaging coming from them and guys generally see that a lot of them respond to a guy looking like the above picture, so they assume that's the benchmark for getting a girl, which likely isn't true.
Dude, dude, dude. . . *shaking my head*
You are making SUCH a rookie mistake here. Are you actually suggesting that you learn ANYTHING from reading what women SAY they want in a man? REALLY? Do you HONESTLY think that matters?
If you want to find out what women want in a man do not--I repeat: do NOT ask. Instead look at what they actually DO. WHO are the getting with? What qualities do those dudes have? If you do that, you'll realize that there are a LOT more guys getting PLENTY of high quality ass than just rich, buff, white dudes with huge cocks. I'm sure THOSE dudes are doing JUST fine too, but they ain't the only ones.
Exactly. Often women's actions contradict their words. This is why I never take dating advice from women. Watching their actions has helped me tremendously in knowing how to score them. And if I happen to take advice from someone, it's from a man who knows how to get them
"If you want to know how to catch fish, don't ask the fish, ask the fisherman".
@TruthBringer Yes, yes, and YES! That last line is ESPECIALLY true. I'm just blown away with how many fools actually think the way to understand someones thoughts--ANYONE'S thoughts is to freaking ASK them about it rather than watching their behavior.
This is a cope. Most men don't fit those standards yet still manage to get girlfriends. "Women have impossible standards" is what some men tell themselves to feel better about the fact they can't get a girlfriend.
As someone who has a girlfriend and doesn't meet all the unrealistic standards of so many women, I can guarantee that the reason why I got a girlfriend (a gem) is because she doesn't have unrealistic standards like so many (single) women out there. Calling this "cope" while neglecting studies out there is a cope in itself. Try again.
@TruthBringer Well I didn't deny that some women have unrealistic standards, but if *most* women had unrealistic standards, then why do *most* men get girlfriends?
Most men get girlfriends? Studies show that more people are single compared to previous generations. Where are you getting your stats from? You're very good in making claims, but have nothing to show for
Sweetheart, the dudes YOU'RE attracted to are not "MOST" men. They are in the top 10 to 20%. Most men are invisible to women in terms of dating. A bit of research will do you good
https://youtu.be/EX9mUO9R588
https://youtu.be/5u13_Bdw5eY
@TruthBringer only 23% of men have never been married. The percentage is obviously even smaller for men who've never had a girlfriend or had sex. www.pewresearch.org/.../
Just because there are more single people nowadays doesn't mean most people are single.
You're still sending data that doesn't prove your point of "most men having girlfriends".
While at the same time neglecting sources I've sent you that DIRECTLY address the thing that we are discussing. Try again.
@TruthBringer only 27% of men ages 18-24 have never had sex, which means 73% of men ages 18-24 have had sex, so most women's standards can't be THAT high if most men get sex by age 24.
www.livescience.com/...sex-stats-virgins-rise.html
Your study still does not validate your claim of most men having or had girlfriends. The source you sent was about sex. Not relationships. At the same time, the study you've sent is quite outdated as today's world, especially with the boom of social media is NOT the same as back in 2006. WOmen's standards have changed drastically compared to before. I suggest you actually look at the present situation rather than trying to validate your views on today by the use of outdated information.
@TruthBringer Okay I found a study with data from 2018 (data from 2020 onward would be unrepresentative considering many people have been in quarantine).
30.9% of men ages 18-24 had reported no sex in the past year. So nearly 70% of men had sex in 2017-2018, which wouldn't be the case if women's standards were impossibly high.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7293001/
And the reason I'm focusing on sex is that it's pretty hard to find data on what percent of people have never been in a relationship. If you can find such data, you can post it.
Again you mix sex with relationships. Having sex is one thing, but having a girlfriend is another. Many men PAY women for sex because they can't get it legitimately. Also, you yourself have made a conclusion that 70% of men have sex while clearly a very small portion of the actual population has been used for this experiment. So statistically speaking, your conclusions are not reliable.
Not only did you not pay attention to the amount of people used in this study, but you also thought that this would mean 70% of men have girlfriends. Which your original claim was and have yet to prove it still. Not all studies are on par and can also contradict each other. So who speaks the truth? I'd choose to see what's actually happening out there. Most guys I know are either single or have never been in a relationship. Can't say the same for all the girls and women I know. Also, we see a huge decline in marriage rates so that explains the consistency of the sexual activity dropping. And seeing how the manosphere has grown rapidly over the years, goes to show that there is something going on on the male part. I suggest you watch the video's I've sent.
All in all, the fact you still lack evidence that the majority of men are or have been in a relationships gives all reason to dismiss your false and self-made up claim. While on the other hand, I've sent you links where someone explains the sexual market of today and also shows stats of women having more sex than men.
@TruthBringer "you also thought that this would mean 70% of men have girlfriends"
Actually, if you read what I said, I said "the reason I'm focusing on sex is that it's pretty hard to find data on what percent of people have never been in a relationship."
"Can't say the same for all the girls and women I know"
How can most women be in relationships if most men aren't? Do multiple women share a single boyfriend? I didn't realize polyamory was that popular these days.
"How can most women be in relationships if most men aren't?'
Simple: women choose to get with top tier men. The top percentage of men. Those are the men who have multiple sexual partners and have had multiple relationships. It's not like it's spread equally among the entire male population. On the contrary actually. There is an influx of incels lately. I may have had multiple relationships, but so many more guys do not. From every guy who has been in a relationship, you got like 8 or 9 more guys who have not. Women target the top percentage of men. You would have known this if you have watched the video's I've sent. And I would gladly send you some more, but not before you watched what you've already been given.
Yes when it comes to sexual selection women have higher standarts than men have. Because sperms are cheap and men don't have much investment but women have limited eggs and greater investment therefore they have to be very careful and highly selective when it comes to sex.
But for long term relationship or partnership women don't value looks much they just want security, lifestyle and little bit love and attention.
But at the end if you want women truly desire you sexually and have passionate sex with you then you need to be good looking. You need to be someone who is genetically superior. Like tall height, fit body with a good frame and most importantly handsome face.
I like normal looking guys, preferably healthy looking and honestly looks to me don’t matter as much. I’ve dated chubby guys before. and I just don’t really care all that much about body type, like I’m not looking for a Calvin Klein model out of a magazine. I think it’s opposite actually, men go for the looks first, women look to see how much attention he gives her, how into her he really is and if he’s like a manly man, is that makes sense.
When it comes to sex and sexual attraction women are more picky because biologically sperms are infinite and eggs are limited and women also invest much more time and resources. But when it comes to long term relationship men tend to be more picky.
No stop listening to all that brainwashing, that’s not always true. I know plenty of girls who are happy with their average SO. I fell in love with a bigger guy, we had great chemistry it’s just things didn’t work out for other reasons.
What i said was basic biology which backed by a lot of studies but whatever 🙂
All the women I have dated have had some pretty impossible standards. My standard is she should be nice all the way around but especially to me. she should love me. I'd like her IQ to be similar or better than mine. Most of the rest is just window dressing though nice hair is a plus if she lets me play with it and as for body, well I like big butts and don't care much about the rest of her body. There are a lot of women with big butts who are single.
Honestly I never really think of it I met this guy's and just went through a year dating he is chubby and honesty I'm the complete opposite I hate really buff guys... not to mention their faces I don't know seems kinda fake most of the time... and honesty I do not care about dick size..
See I don't get the obsession with dick sizes. Most women can't even climax through intercourse anyway which makes a man's size irrelevant. Maybe the bigger it is, the better it feels. But I think if a bloke is willing to compensate in other areas (like oral) then it shouldn't matter.
I climaxed on a penis but I guess that's just me..
That's funny. A lot of females say that on social media, but I see plenty of unfit, poor couples all the time. Try getting offline and taking a step into the real world.
& there's nothing wrong with wanting to find your partner attractive and financially stable.
Social media not the real world.
it’s a self fulfilling curse social media.
it promotes perfection when in the real world that’s likely 1 in 100,000 people.
if a person goes to a club, pub etc, they see real people doing real stuff, going to the toilet and taking shits, having bad hair and clothes days.
the more people even bother about perfection on social media or continue to promote you must have this body, do these things, the more challenges society will face.
Sure I can see that. Women today have a ridiculous ego cultivated by simps willing to do anything to fuck them. I just can’t stand when men hold themselves to low standards. We can’t control the size of our dick but we can control how much money we have and can workout and acquire a physique like the one in the picture.
Geez. Who hurt you bro. Relax. You'll bounce back they're not all after those things. Hey some girls go for guys who have NONE of those qualities. Or any qualities lol. You should either lower your standards or raise them to find someone right for you bro. Good luck.
Guys usually have a more outspoken shallowness but women can be just as bad. It's a maturity thing, not what sex they are.
I don't think women have incredibly high standards in terms of looks unless it's dating sites. Most women tend to go for the top 5% of men on dating sites.
I do think that their standards are extremely high in most other categories though. Confidence, income/job, humor, generosity, etc.
They don't really care about you being "nice" even though they all say they do. Confidence is what basically gets your foot in the door and keeps them interested in you.
Out of the 7 things you mention on things that women are apparently looking for I have 4.
I will let your imagination attempt to figure out which.
I wonder if 4 out of 7 is enough. I have been single for a while so maybe not. Women do tend to have higher standards than men. I don't think there is any particular reason. Its just that more men chase women than the other way around so women have more options and can afford to be picky. Most men do not have that luxury.
Don't be silly.
There is nothing wrong with thinking you have "standards". It's whether you're in league to get those standards that count.
Hence why people with big lists of "standards" tend to end up as incels and femcels.
I think there's a fairly gray area to this.. A lot of women do have ridiculous standards, society has made women feel like they deserve the best even if they are not much themselves.. But there's a lot of women with normal standards.. I would say most women have normal, maybe slightly higher standards, if you are not trying to date them online..
If anything, I think American women have very low standards in real life, no matter how they pretend otherwise on social media. They dream about getting a 10/10 guy and keep him, but the reality is that they'll fuck around with dozens of 6/10 guys before settling down with a loser.
no def not, men’s standards are waaaay higher!!😵😵
You have obviously been rejected one too many times and have been having difficulties finding a date. Otherwise, I can't imagine why you'd say such nonsense. It's same as saying men on average demand a perfect figure, healthy hair, big breasts, tight pussy and other such crap.
Based on what I have seen women say on YouTube, a significant number on women have unachievable standards, especially about height.
I have seen commentators in the Manosphere crunch the numbers to arrive at a figure for how many men meet a female’s demands.
What the delusional women appear to be unable to understand is that the tiny number of men who conform to the criteria can have women who are 10 to 15 years younger and much better looking than the delusional women.
LOL
Absolutely! Women have ridiculous standards and men have these crazy standards too but that doesn't mean they settle with that particular person or even date that person as people have different taste.
He’s fit but that doesn’t really even begin to qualify him as a potential partner.
He could still easily be a pos person.
Women need to look less on looks and money and more into a man’s attitude, behavior, and character.
Men are inherently ridiculous and our standards are totally reasonable so men will blame that our standards have problem because we ain't taking any pest with us.
I don't think so. I think some men are too eager to get laid and any warm wet whole will do -and peer pressure only makes it worse- while we're expected to have 'standards' and not act 'like men' otherwise we're 'sluts'. Also the media portrays ridiculous stereotypes of feminity and masculinity so it's no wonder some women and men have a warped view of what a partner should be like
On that subject men may have unreasonable expectations of women than women have of men - because of pornography;
@David92506 Yes definitely, just like I had unrealistic expectations of what sex was supposed to feel like because I watched porn before I had sex lol most porn actresses are awful at faking it
The first time I had sex was when I was 21-years-old in college. I was dating a woman and she invited me to her bed. I was so horny it didn't take me long at all. Afterward, she said, "Is that it? That's all there is to it?" I could tell she was disappointed.
I see more attractive women with average looking guys than average looking women with attractive men, so from my point of view it’s a no.
I liked your comment and gave it a "thumbs up." When I was in college I was dating a very attractive woman - to the degree that when she entered a room people would turn their heads to look at her. I was in her apartment and she had pictures of the previous ex-BD and they were all average looking, just like me.
I asked her why does she date average-looking men while she can date handsome men? She said she wants all the attention. When she is with her man she wants people to look at her and not her man. Lol...
@MCheetah
You forgot to add that if your rich, you sing well too. :)
Eh I have to disagree that girls standards are more ridiculous. I think both average men and women have ridiculous standards tbh. Some of these ugly or average looking men expect to get a hot super model girlfriend who's extremely skinny like Kendall Jenner or someone like that. I'd say it's equal.
@JDavid25 I like to think that I have much to offer in a relationship. However I am not ignorant as I know that many women will not consider me relationship material. Why? Because I am short and have disabilities. Do you know what's hilarious though? Even a 'low quality' male like me considers the vast majority of women online to be updatable. I personally place strong emphasis on substance of character and personality, and the vast majority of women online are severely lacking in these qualities. So when I hear women complain that there are no high quality men in the world, I can't help but have a good chuckle.
"Do you think on average, women have more ridiculous standards than men?"
I don't know about "ridiculous" but I would say higher standards yes.
Why? Because they can. Men are hornier and need to get sex. They settle for a lot less as long as they can get it. Women can hold out for more because they don't need it as much. Even average women have a million guys who want sex with them. So they can be pickier.
I see more attractive women with average and even downright ugly men than the other way around. So no. Women have been painted as picky and judgmental in the media when in reality they are easily swayed by romance and personality.
Because guys date down for sex but don't marry down, girls can date guys out of their league. Therefore, their standards tend to be the hottest guys that will fuck them and to reject guys within their league that would want more than a brief sexual relationship with them.
I think the average women does have higher standards but not based on a guy being buff or popular as far as qualities go. I am sure the women was buff or fit then she go for a man who had a similar body build. Being attractive will open doors and having money as well.
If I would offer you date with a solid 7/10 girls and 10/10 full tuned bimbo with silicone implants, I guess you will pick the second one even if you know your chances for a relationship with that girl are practically zero. Why? Because you're wishing to become someone special for that second girl. This isn't different with "female standards" as you call it. It's just wishes
I don't find any standards riduculous, to be honest. As long as you're aware of how they lower your chances of finding someone who meets them, it's totally fine. Everyone should be free to strive for whatever they want to. Why does this piss off so many people? I don't get it.
😂 this is so far from most women's actual desires in a partner that it's not even funny. Whoever posted this is obviously a virgin as well, I say that due to the big dick comment, when your experience is just limited to porn it can give you some unrealistic ideas about sexual preferences haha. Maybe you're an incel?
Most of them do yeah, thats because demand on women in society is very high about it. That makes women a bit sassy and makes them think ''they can get whoever they want whenever they want'' but when they actually come across to a real man and not a sissy fag, then they understand how actually it is.
I've never heard anyone, man or a woman have ridiculous standards. Most people want really basic things from their partner.
You have even tried looking at how women date and what they “want”. Have you?
The entire dating market is down.
No. We’re the ones having to raise your demon spawn on our own because your a loser who can’t keep a job or wants to game with your mates all the time.
It’s fair for us to have high standards.
(Cue downvotes)
And the you bitch about how no girl will open her legs for you and the cycle repeats.
@EyesOfGod mom's boy got triggered haha. Shut up, grow up and know that babymaking involves two people. You can't stick your sausage wherever you want. Men are the first ones who want sex without protection and leave when she gets pregnant.
Yes any you take personal responsibility for your own body. Guys want to fuck girls want to fuck. Guys don't get pregnant so they don't care about using protection. Girls know they can get pregnant but they passively choose to not use protection while fucking. Its just like abortion your body your choice lol.
Read some of the girls reactions, don't need to add anything more. 😌
All joking aside, I know I have high standards, but not nearly as high as the standards I put on myself. And many guys just look for hookups. Are standards as low when it comes to something serious? I genuinely can't say...
No. Men believe they are worth more than they are. That's the disparity.
I feel the same way. It maybe be a little generalization, but it's needed to get the point across, and even with exaggeration many still don't get it, why it's a problem.
We know that an average girl will get tons of attention from guys, meanwhile an average guy will get almost no attention from girls (aka not up to standard...)
If that picture in OPs post is what some womens standards are, then they are a bit ridiculous.
No, considering men expect women to be attractive, overly feminine, petite, shorter, younger, busty, big-assed, curved, cooking skilled, ambitious, horny 24/7, child rearers, independent.. all while getting 8 hours of sleep.
Look men don’t care about how independent or ambitious you are, we don’t want a woman who is horny 24/7 because dicks get worn out , I’ve maybe met 3 women in or around my age who can cook THREE, everything else you said are just feminine traits which men are gonna be attracted to anyways they can have one or none of those traits they still will find someone and as far as attractiveness goes you don’t need to be a model we just need to be attracted to you say it with me BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER!
@kevyhanma Not from my experience. Men usually want a woman who is somewhat independent because they don’t want someone that is entirely reliant on them. Being ambitious means a lot, to them it means you want to have a drive to be independent. Sure, beauty is in the eye of the beholder but there’s a large group apparently who find beauty in the same things.
No that’s more about you as an adult all adults should be somewhat reliable independent and ambitious relationship or not and yes we as men are going to be attracted to the same things because they are feminine if your with a guy wouldn’t you expect him to love your ass or your boobs because he is he can’t help but be attracted to those things
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