Is it true that before 30, women have the advantage in dating but after 30, men have the advantage and the women’s market value starts declining fast?

[Anonymous]

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+1 y

Men hit their prime after 30. I can’t wait 😜

[bamesjond0069]

Yeah and they whine and complain a lot when they see me 34 with my 18 year old girlfriend. Hahaha

[warrenstone]

That’s still kinda weird. At least date a girl who can legally drink

[bamesjond0069]

@warrenstone why? I dont really drink myself

[David_Bayer]

Absolutely

[MrBadd]

As I've said before in response to similar questions I don't think that people properly understand what this is.

It's not that 30 year old women are "off the shelf" as some people put it. It's also not that 40 year old men are dating women half their age. It's about options within your age range. Of course everything I say here will be generalised.

In our late teens and early 20s people are single and dating around, they might have relationships but they usually haven't settled down properly yet. They're not thinking too much about the future, they're just having fun and figuring themselves out. At this time women in general have an advantage when it comes to options mainly because men are the pursuers.

Go on Tinder as an average woman for example you're gonna get a lot of matches and guys DMing you here, whereas the average guy is sending DMs out and only getting a few replies.

By the time you reach the 30s however many people have settled down, and a lot of them are married. The average age of marriage is 28. For women, many of the men they'd like have been snapped up by this point and those guys are off the market. There are less and less single attractive men as time goes on.

A woman's priorities will also change over time. In her 20s she's looking for hot and fun. But the hot and fun guys might not be good long-term prospects. When she realises she's not gonna marry one of those guys she starts wanting a guy who seems more like husband material. But like I said, average age of marriage 28, many of those guys have been snapped up already. Which is why it's common to hear women at this age ask "where have all the good men gone?"

Think about this also: women tend to marry across or up in terms of financial status, rarely do the marry down. If the woman has been focused on her career also since her early 20s and she's making good money, she's narrowed her own dating pool further if she's making better money than a lot of men, because now she doesn't want those men. This didn't matter so much in her 20s.

It's not that she can't find men who want her, there are always plenty of those. It's that the quality of men she can find to date has dropped. A single 30 year old guy with his shit together has an advantage here.

[nelly83]

Truest answer on here.

[crazyish]

What are you trying to do here man? Make me feel inadequate and bad because some younger girl hurt you? I'm over 30. I have feelings bro but I didn't hurt you. Why you coming after me personally? What makes me have a disadvantage?

See what you did here?

Saying, hahaha at least I'll have the advantage when I'm older and you're power to hurt men will diminish, accomplishes nothing. Does it really make whatever was done to you feel less painful? Does knowing that you 'possibly' might stand a better chance when you're older make any difference? So what about now? Give up until you're 30? Blame the fact that you're not in your prime to justify why you got hurt. Look people are assholes but attacking other's or blaming something that could not even hold truth for you personally only instills doubt in others. And makes you an asshole.

I'm honestly not offended with your perception but I could've been and 3 years ago this would've probably made me cry and added to my list of insecurities and fears. It's actually an advantage to be seen as less because it weedles out the superficial dudes who are assholes and who can never actually love someone. The dudes living up their prime days, hurting women left and right because they can and feel as if they have a right to because they are superior. Shit I had more of a disadvantage dating when I was younger because I thought looks and certain standards would be enough to not get hurt or treated like shit. It's an illusion because people are just dicks. Trust me I guarantee that even when you hit 30 you're going to get hurt by a woman. It doesn't change others just you're perspective.

But more power to you. If knowing that you have the ability to be superior and hurt women back when you're 30 then why not? Yes women over 30 are completely at a disadvantage and you will hold all the power! Congratulations!!! Definitely something to look forward to😊

[Asker]

Well, this was for all fun and games. It wasn’t meant to be taken serious

[crazyish]

I honestly don't know what to say. Obviously it wasn't for fun and games if you go off your personal replies to others and tbh getting a laugh from demeaning and hurting others is not ok regardless if it was intentional or not. I'm assuming that maybe just maybe, you see another perspective now and have issues admitting when you are in the wrong so saying it was just for fun somehow excuses the bad that can come out of what you said. There are a million other things you could've joked and had fun with. But you chose this, why? What's funny about it?

Look man it's all good. I was only trying to get you to see another perspective. I know you have your own personal reasons for this topic, and I'm sorry if it felt like I was attacking you. It's your perspective and it has it's own validations of course. It's honestly ok if you want my opinion to be invalidated by making it seem as if I just overreacted and took it personal since hey I am 32 and biased.

It's cool. I'm really not offended. I just want this whole stigma of women being worthless over 30 to end. Because yes, I was initially offended and upset by the first few times I saw it until I realized that it's not all men who share this perspective and it was pointless to take it personal since I'm more than just my circumstances and it doesn't matter what other's think, I can't change it. But since I know how it can personally make someone feel, I just don't want other women to have to feel that way. Or anyone for that matter. I'm just not okay with it. Doesn't excuse me being a dick to you about it so I sincerely apologize for my initial opinion.

[Asker]

I would love to date a 30 year old or above

[sensible27]

I'm not sure his intention was to hurt you. It's a question which "seems" to be backed by data, how can just being curious about something make someone a bad person. I understand that sometimes questions seem like statements but.. that might not be the case here..

[crazyish]

You're completely right. There is absolutely nothing wrong with curiosity. I obviously jumped the gun on this one. Again I apologize for being a dick, I was in the wrong! It was a shit day and I took it out on this topic and I wasn't hurt. It's all good. You can just delete my opinion if you want.

[zed-789]

I think it gets better for men over 30 who take care of themselves and make a good living. For example if ur still working at McDonald’s as a cashier or living at ur moms house, I can’t see anyone wanting to date u at any age. For women I feel it does get worse over 30, buy I also think it’s only if u have multiple kids, don’t take care of urself, have a career, stuff like that. I think a lot of men get burned in their 20’s for not having what older men have and they use that motivation to get educated, get their careers on track and get fit. So after all that self improvement, they become the guy that girls rejected them for. Many women however, start boyfriend of young getting whatever they want for being beautiful and don’t get rejected for the simple fact of having a vagina. And what happens when u start on the top? U eventually hit bottom. So many women peak at 16-25 that by the time they hit 30 they usually have a kid or 2, let themselves go because their focus is their kids, stressed out from life (which ages u even more) and have been hurt and bitter from past relationships that they develop insecurities they bring into the new relationship. This doesn’t always happen but typically people in general that peak early in life tend to get too comfortable that life will always be like that, and hit bottom quick. They usually stay there too.

[Screenwriter]

It's according to what "prime" you're talking about. If it's only physical and childbearing, sure, women are at a disadvantage due to age.
But as for someone being interesting and intellectually stimulating and fun to be around, is there ever an "age" for that?
I think the older a person gets, their life experience adds up to making them ever more complex and rich.
However, there are people who never reach ANY sort of prime. Whether young or old, rich or poor, they lack substance.

[K-I-S-S]

Nah, too often mgtow movements push that view.

We both age, we both get fatter, more boring and etc.

Some people in both genders keep it up, their fitness, keep learning new thing, trying new things, building success etc. And they remain pretty wanted.

Women in general always have a bit of an advantage over a guy in the dating world.

Of course in general younger people look better than older. A bit more for women as guys are more picky with looks and younger are more likely to fit those needs.

Women tend to like a bit older guys, but not too much older maybe about 1-7 years older in general, a bit more mature, more developed in life.

[Dali-chan]

Finally someone with common sense. I love older men, but by older I mean a guy who’s 5 years older than me, not a decade, yet men most here seems to believe that it means teen girls are attracted to men in their 40’s, when most women tend to want men their age or slightly older.

[bamesjond0069]

"We both age, we both get fatter, more boring and etc."
Except men have stronger skin fibers, we don't get cellulite and stretch marks due to age or child birth. Speak for yourself about getting fatter, lay off the mcdonalds. Speak for yourself about getting boring, I have a nice income and travel and have lots of hobbies and go to lots of events.
I am 34 and my girlfriend is 18, all of my recent exes are 10+ years younger. Younger girls love much older men providing they aren't fat and boring.

[K-I-S-S]

All that and you still can't read, or just too biased in your view to see the text😗

[nelly83]

@Dali-chan it’s a single old mans way of assuaging his fears of aging and losing his sex appeal to women

[nelly83]

For the First Time Ever, More Women in Their 30s Are Having Babies Than Younger Women

https://www.parents.com/pregnancy/everything-pregnancy/for-the-first-time-ever-more-women-in-their-30s-are-having-babies/

In 2020, the average age of marriage for female participants was 31, while malerespondents married at age 33. The average age of marriage in the US therefore falls at 32 years

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theknot.com/content/amphtml/average-age-of-marriage

[postempestas]

I like to think yeah. Since I've always liked guys of that age, 30s are the best years of a man, physically at least, they are fully developed and have enough experience to do it right. I am 21 but I like them since I was like 16. I'll always like that age, is like a fetish.

[DaisyM23]

I think it’s just a social thinking where women over 30 who are single are ‘on the shelf’ so to say or old maidens or whatever. That’s obviously changing now but there is more acceptance over men over 30. However, either way, people assume there are problems regarding the person if they’re not married by 40, no matter the gender

[chris_987]

As a women you lose the chance to have a health baby the older you get

[nelly83]

@chris_987 and as a man you also lose your ability to have a healthy baby as you get older too. It’s not only restricted to women

[chris_987]

Not really, sperm doesn’t start to slow down until age 50, women lose egg count after 30

[Anonymous]

Yes.
Women have the power when they are young and attractive and lose it as they age like bread.
Men gain power when they become mature and financially stable, because women are pst their prime and looking for a male to get them through their expired years.

*past 30 is when women start growing their “personality” and expect men to stop judging them on their looks. Before that they are shallow and rude to any guy they find unattractive because they have the illusion of choice and assume they can just get any male because they have infinite shallow attention online.

[0112358]

I've seen some data suggesting the crossover is 28.

however women's value does not "decline fast" after 30.

They are a little bit below men from 30 onward and both decline together.

That IS a big shift though because early 20s women have a huge advantage over early 20s men.

[nelly83]

Typically Women in their early 20s tend to date older men in their 20s.

[Archerer]

Woman always tend to like guys slightly older than them, men tend to like women who are 23, no matter what age the man is... But my person opinion is that anyone who looks at dating in these terms is a red flag themselves and should be stayed away from, so drop the mindset, as it invites hate and anger within you. Dating is personal, it isn't a statistic

[nelly83]

So true

[Exterminatore]

Hard to say. In my 20’s I had no problem meeting girls but I had to try hard to get them. In my 40’s they were practically throwing themselves at me. I had my pick of the litter. Granted, those were girls about my age, not younger girls. That’s just my experience. Can’t speak for others or as to what general truth is regarding this.

[iseekpinetrees]

Yes able to produce babies is important usually at 30 it becomes harder to have kids. By age 30 it become more of a why are you still single type of thing. Something is probably wrong with them.

[Avicenna]

I’d say it gets better for men in their late 30s, 35 at the very earliest.
But age is only one factor in desirability. I’m in great shape, so I’m much more desirable than a 30 year old guy who’s obese and very out of shape.

[Anonymous]

I’m not sure what the “market refers” to. It’s like straight people have their own Morse code. Strange

[Asker]

Market value refers to desirability ranking

[Opinion Owner]

On like, dating apps?

[Asker]

Real life and dating apps.

[Opinion Owner]

How can you even calculate desirability in real life?

[Opinion Owner]

Was a study done or something

[Asker]

Multiple studies. There’s even one for human races by gender.

[Opinion Owner]

How many participants where included?

[Asker]

Why are you so concerned? You are under 18

[Opinion Owner]

So? Its just a study

[Asker]

Well, multiple and based on life experiences, it is somewhat true.

[nelly83]

@Asker

Funny thing is, statistics show that most couples are still under 9 years apart.

en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships

[Kas19]

I'm sorry your life is so sad right now that you obsess over the day you turn thirty in hopes of being appealing to women 🥺

[Anonymous]

Physical aging is generally unattractive for both genders. However, since women take more factors into account than men do, it is easier for men than women to compensate for their increasing age.

[Asker]

Men grow in desirability as they age due to getting more money

[michael1469]

Its all about the money...

[invalid1]

Wow. I should just wait for 3 more years and be like...

"sorry I have a girlfriend"
"Awwe that's so sweet sister"
"No, eeww. What a rapist girl"
😂✌️

[Adam1978]

Yes but only if you look on statistics, some people will never have an advantage, other can have it much longer and earlier.

[BADballie1]

Women will never have the advantage, I have taken my dates to expensive restaurants, that I can afford. I admire professional education. That way no women will ever be reliant on me to pay alimony etc.