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I don't think men generally get better looking after 30. I think they tend to get much worse looking but the difference is yes I think men generally don't age as poorly as women. The other thing is women generally care more about personality and money which older men tend to have over younger men. So I would say if you take a 20 year old guy and 20 year old girl, yes the girl will on average lose more value by the time she hits 40 than the guy. That's as much as I agree with them.
There is a saying that some women have said to girls that don't like men approaching. They said if you don't like it, don't worry it's going to stop. That's obviously because of age.
it's not hoax, 30 year old dudes can pull young 20s women like no other. Women, compared to the pool of men they have access to in early 20s, have access to wayyy less men by the time they turn 30. They can probs still do fine, sure, but it is decreasing, and for men it is increasing. A 35-40 year old man with good career and in good shape owns women
I honestly don't know why men think that their value increases in their 30s. A man is at the end of his prime in his mid 30s. After 35, most men start looking like shit. Balding, white hairs, gaining weight. Some men start losing their hair at 32. I think its just stereotype that men get better looking in their 30s. Only some, not all. I'm 24 and i personally wouldn't date a guy thats over 32. Thats when they start losing their youth.
Everyone gets better after 30, in my opinion.
Or at least most do. Those who refuse to accept aging with grace just become embarrassments.
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To the avarge man you ask maybe this is true. My value for a women won't decrease because of age though. Plus older women are hot lmao
Mgtow revenge fantasy. I get more attention from men at 35 than I ever did at 25, and younger guys too. Not that it matters because I’m not single.
I'm not going to say the value of women decreases after 30, I don't think that's quite right. But 30 year old men will have it easier. A woman is most fertile and beautiful in her twenties that's for sure, this is the time when you should be thinking about family (in my opinion) it's the best time for a girl to start a family. And honestly the best person to do with is someone whose career is about to take off, eg a man in his thirties. This is life, and this is the most functional way to do it. It won't always work out, and obviously you're better of waiting than settling down with the wrong person.
If my life pans out ideally, this is how'd I'd imagine it though. It's what my mother has done and it's worked well for her. After her degree she had a family without working or worrying about financial difficulty. She's now 40 and he's 48 and they think I'm not looking they still make out like disgusting teens. Seems like it works to me.
I think this is why a lot of girls fancier older men. I'm 18 and I can't imagine dating the boys my age (sorry) they can't help it, it's not their fault, girls have the pressure of thinking about family in their late teens and men don't seem to think about until much later, it effects maturity rates. My boyfriend is 24, and dating him is so much better than anyone my age.
In any case I still wouldn't put it the way you did. The value of women does not decrease. Yes, they might have a few wrinkles by 45, but that doesn't mean the value of them decreases. Women have a place in society too. And I wouldn't say the value of men increases either. You can only say that if you're taking career into account, and so it only works if you're very smart and wealthy. If you're going to pretty much do the same job for the rest of your life and it's going nowhere... value does not really increase does it?
Nah. What does generally tend to happen, in my own opinion, for both men and women on the other hand is that they begin to look for a long-term partner. Meaning men gets significantly more picky than most of us are in our 20s when it is often mostly about fun.
While I am sure this also happens on women's side their version often includes looking for traits that are a little harder to see at first glance. And then we get this new dating-scene where men are more picky and ask for more while women are more open to who they date as they want a little more than meets the eye. What it really results in is just a slight shift towards even difficulty. And that does tend to work in men's favor and would create a situation not unlike yours. Albeit I'd bet more on my theory than the fertility one. If the fertility one was true we should all be pursuing 16-17 year olds when and if legal. Not what most men want.
Be very careful! Those MGTOW propaganda can likely lead you to regret, misery or places of no return! If you can't harness the MGTOW weaponry properly (like how we harness the internet or phones), you'll find it backfiring at yourself while being in denial.
Needless to say this is complete hoax. plenty of beautiful and sexy women out there are in their 30s and some made it even in their 40s and can make me remember them. At least they don't tend to play kindergarten games in dating.
The mans value rising up by the time he is 30 is another shallow perk because men in their 30s tend to make at least double the amount of money than the minimum wage.
What happened to love?
Technically speaking I can't say they're incorrect. After 30, a woman generally starts losing their ability to bear children, quickly or slowly. Men's value increasing at that age isn't something I think was ever a thing tho. I believe shortly after that age, muscle mass and density tends to decrease a bit and so does testosterone, which makes sex drive and sperm count lower. Could be at around 35-40 tho, so don't quote me on that. It's all based on, probably outdated, irrelevant data and generalizations anyway.
This is a really, really fucking stupid way to look at things and has been for centuries. We're no longer depending on this primal bs, everyone survives regardless.
I personally think mature women are absolutely fucking amazing. A lot of beautiful women just become even more beautiful with time. I don't care if my girlfriend and I decide to have kiddos when she can't bear any of her own, we'll adopt if it's necessary. See? "Problem" solved.
The answer to this question really goes back to the fact that men and women value different things in a mate. Today's women really seem to struggle with that concept.
Men are genetically programmed to value youth and fertility, which are tightly intertwined with looks. That's why women's value in the dating market plummets around age 30, give or take. And it's why men generally are attracted to younger women.
Women, on the other hand, value maturity, stability and income in a mate. As women love to tell us, it's difficult to find a man in his 20s with those qualities. That's why women tend to be attracted to older men, and why single men in their 30s are far more valuable in the dating market than women the same age.
I think it is wishful thinking. Unfortunately I think women always have more sex appeal than a similar aged man does.
You could maybe say that when we hit our 30s women don't has a big of an advantage as they did when we were in our teens or twenties, but to say it actually reverses and men get the advantage probably isn't true.
i don't hold with the opinion that the only vlue a woman has is
vis-à-vis a man's desire for her. In fact, that's a pretty insulting and rather ignorant opinion.
In fact, as I am 33, I see my financial "value" only increasing as I get older-I own my own home, I work at a high paid professional level at a large hospital, and lately I spend almost as much time out of the country as I do in th U. S., as I also own and manage family property in the EU.
Im still single (oh dear), but I have done well for myself. It should be said that I have a guy with whom I am very close.
and younger than me too :)
RE women and whatever "value" you speak of in your thesis-Im thinking that it should be revisited-as it has no basis in fact.
For single women? Yes.
MGTOW and incels do talk about this a lot because they're bitter, but at the same time the idea didn't just come out of nowhere. There are many women especially over 30 who complain that they can't find a good man to marry.
They can get male attention, sure, but they can't get the guys they actually want to commit to them seriously. Then they become like "nice guys" and start whining about how the opposite sex is wrong for not wanting them, asking where all the good men have gone.
Opposite opinions based on which sex you belong to. Would be interesting to know which were out of anger vs out of belief.
I do remember one woman that was then my age now, when I was 15, that I would have happily dated.
It does come down to keeping your muscles, especially the torso ones, active, and so looking as sexy as the 20 year olds. I tend to see more men than women in their 40s and onwards that fit that (it's easy to tell how sexy someone is by looking at how fit their body is - if you didn't use makeup your face ages slower too)
I think both go down but women more and faster.
I might be biased since I want a younger girl because I feel we'd be at a closer experience level (never dated seriously, just casual dates and only kissed once). Most of my distaste for older women is that they generally have baggage I want no part in. I have been interested in one older girl who was seemingly a virgin too at 27 but it's not common.
I feel that women just dont mind as much if a guy is older and between a 30yo guy who takes care of himself and a 30yo women who does the guy just looks better 95% of the time.
Generally speaking, I think that's true. Age tends to benefit men, because we're valued for qualities like financial stability, career achievement, general competence, and strength of character--attributes that tend to improve with age. Women, on the other hand, are valued for youth and physical beauty, attributes that tend to deteriorate with advancing age.
Most women prefer men who are older than they are, and most men prefer women who are younger. This is true across the board, so much so that it's damn near axiomatic. It stands to reason that this is so because older men and younger women hold more value to potential mates. I know that no 28 yo women were wanting me when I was 20. And by the same token, I'm not looking to date women are in their mid 30s.
If that is only how people who don’t want relationships Can feel... for everyone else, They know people age. It’s a fact. Even if you date a 20 year old, she sill get older. If you only value youth , you’ll be divorcing in ten years anyhow so might as well not even bother. Just stay single and bang 20 year old hookers for life.
I would say half true. The sexual value of women decreases (generally speaking, there would be obvious exceptions), but of course relationships are about more than sex, so women can still have other things to offer. For men I would say the sexual value is probably stays about the same on average, again it probably depends on the individual. Men typically have more resources and confidence after 30, which can make them more attractive.
Men don't gain physical attractiveness, men lose attractiveness as well with age, but it happens slower and older guys gain a lot due social status and personality. Guys, if I'm honest a 20 yo boy appears in comparison to 40 yo. man like an immature child. Even for me who will be 30 in few days.
For men, that is only true if they have a good career; a bum at 50 has fewer chances for redemption than a bum at 20.
For women, that is only true as regards appearance and reproduction. And while most 35 year old women don't look as good as when they were 20, some still look better than most 20 year olds.
it is true in the sexual market. generally your value peaks in your 30-40s because that's when most people are working and being productive while still healthy.
in the sexual market men peak after 30 and sometimes even further while women peak at 18-25.
its because men and women are looking for different things.
It's true. Men tend to prefer them young and women look for older guys.
Women after 30 seem a lot more confident (also more comfortable with their bodies) than they do before that, so I would disagree with that as being too simplistic of a view.
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