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I don't think men generally get better looking after 30. I think they tend to get much worse looking but the difference is yes I think men generally don't age as poorly as women. The other thing is women generally care more about personality and money which older men tend to have over younger men. So I would say if you take a 20 year old guy and 20 year old girl, yes the girl will on average lose more value by the time she hits 40 than the guy. That's as much as I agree with them.
There is a saying that some women have said to girls that don't like men approaching. They said if you don't like it, don't worry it's going to stop. That's obviously because of age.
it's not hoax, 30 year old dudes can pull young 20s women like no other. Women, compared to the pool of men they have access to in early 20s, have access to wayyy less men by the time they turn 30. They can probs still do fine, sure, but it is decreasing, and for men it is increasing. A 35-40 year old man with good career and in good shape owns women
The women on here seem to disagree
@nella965 stop saying that men 35-40 are balding and gaining weight. Some men, yes, but not the majority. A man has the opportunity to hit his prime in his 40s, IF he takes care of himself. A woman DOES NOT. This is a biological difference and it correlates perfectly with fertility.
@Shamalien, how often do you see 22 yr olds going out with 48 yr olds? NEVER.
you just wanna say things that you enjoy hearing.
@Shamalien, And no, its the majority of men. As men age, they tend to lose muscle mass and gain weight. I have a lot of guy friends who have saggy balls, white hairs, slight wrinkles, even white facial hair.
I honestly don't know why men think that their value increases in their 30s. A man is at the end of his prime in his mid 30s. After 35, most men start looking like shit. Balding, white hairs, gaining weight. Some men start losing their hair at 32. I think its just stereotype that men get better looking in their 30s. Only some, not all. I'm 24 and i personally wouldn't date a guy thats over 32. Thats when they start losing their youth.
this is the biggest lie I've ever heard. I'm not sure why women keep promoting this idea, besides self interest and playing into their delusions. Most men after 32 are not getting to a point in their life where they can't attract women, you're out of your mind. Let's be clear, fertility is what matters, a man can have kids into his 50s, a woman past 35 is not having any more kids without a high risk of birth complications.
My dad is fking 60 and still gets hit on all the time XD you seriously don't know what you're on about. If a man is always getting in better shape and building his career and personality, his peak is past 40
@Shamalien I'm sorry but I have many guy friends in their 30s and a lot of them have saggy balls, white hairs growing, and some of them are balding, then there others that are BALD. Many guys age pretty quickly. There are some guys in their early 30s who still look good. But generally a man that is over 33 is when he starts losing his attractiveness.
Your dad gets hit on at 60? Well I've had females in their 40s and 50s who gets hit on. I have two young guys in his 20s banging older women.
@Shamalien Men and women after 34 don't tend to date anymore. Everyone is married with kids by that age so they have way fewer options. Personally I would never have kids with a 45 yr old man. Sperm quality decreases with age and I have heard that a lot of married couples who can't have kids due to his fertility issues. Some men lose fertility with age too.
@Shamalien sorry dude, I will never have my precious children to be birthed by sub par sperm. And I don't want my kids to have a grandpa for a father either. I like my husband to be young.
@Shamalien Millennial women aren't having kids in their 20s anymore. Everyone is getting married and giving birth in their 30s. This is the culture in most states.
@Shamalien I don't want to marry a 40 yr old man either. he's gonna have wrinkles, white hairs and balding. Even worse than the balding 35 yr old men. Hell no. I probably cheat on him with a hotter younger guy
Can you just stop running away from reality for one fking second here? You're really frustrating to talk to. I never said anything about when women are choosing to have kids, we are talking about fertility. You are saying you wouldn't let your precious children be birthed by 40+ year old sperm, but implying that it's totally okay to have kids after 30.
These two things DO not compute as female fertility declines far sharper than male fertility, by age 30, a woman's fertility has declined to a post 45 year old man point. Can you just understand this or do we need to break out the fertility graphs?
@Shamalien I don't know why you're under the impression that men can't lose fertility too. Frequently when the wife is 34 and the husband is 42, and they can't have kids. It is the man who can't have kids, not the woman. I have seen 4 marriages where the husband has fertility issues but they blame the wife. I don't want to be married to some ugly ass 45 yr old either. My kids probably come out fucked up due to the subpar sperm.
Why don't you admit it? Young men are hotter and have better sperm. When my son hits 20, he won't call his father "grandpa"
@Shamalien Maybe your dad gets hit on all the time because there is plenty of women with daddy issues?
@ItsACatWorld Its true. Daddy issues are real.
@Malik00 I did acknowledge that women do age. Its YOU who NEVER wanted to ackonwlege that men also AGE TOO. You like to believe that 22 yr olds would date 40 yr olds. But why the living fuck would I date a 35 yr old when I can get a hot 29 yr old? he's gonna look hotter for longer, better sperm, he ain't gonna turn into a grandpa 5 years into the marriage.
This question itself should be banned because it really has no valid points.
@Shamalien when my mom was 55, a decent-looking wealthy man at her workplace wanted to marry her. She wasn't interested, but he still calls her up on the phone regularly to talk. My mom's coming up on 60 now
Everyone gets better after 30, in my opinion.
Or at least most do. Those who refuse to accept aging with grace just become embarrassments.
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To the avarge man you ask maybe this is true. My value for a women won't decrease because of age though. Plus older women are hot lmao
I've found 40 year olds sexually attractive, but dating wise i'd say no
your lesbian?
Mgtow revenge fantasy. I get more attention from men at 35 than I ever did at 25, and younger guys too. Not that it matters because I’m not single.
I'm not going to say the value of women decreases after 30, I don't think that's quite right. But 30 year old men will have it easier. A woman is most fertile and beautiful in her twenties that's for sure, this is the time when you should be thinking about family (in my opinion) it's the best time for a girl to start a family. And honestly the best person to do with is someone whose career is about to take off, eg a man in his thirties. This is life, and this is the most functional way to do it. It won't always work out, and obviously you're better of waiting than settling down with the wrong person.
If my life pans out ideally, this is how'd I'd imagine it though. It's what my mother has done and it's worked well for her. After her degree she had a family without working or worrying about financial difficulty. She's now 40 and he's 48 and they think I'm not looking they still make out like disgusting teens. Seems like it works to me.
I think this is why a lot of girls fancier older men. I'm 18 and I can't imagine dating the boys my age (sorry) they can't help it, it's not their fault, girls have the pressure of thinking about family in their late teens and men don't seem to think about until much later, it effects maturity rates. My boyfriend is 24, and dating him is so much better than anyone my age.
In any case I still wouldn't put it the way you did. The value of women does not decrease. Yes, they might have a few wrinkles by 45, but that doesn't mean the value of them decreases. Women have a place in society too. And I wouldn't say the value of men increases either. You can only say that if you're taking career into account, and so it only works if you're very smart and wealthy. If you're going to pretty much do the same job for the rest of your life and it's going nowhere... value does not really increase does it?
Nah. What does generally tend to happen, in my own opinion, for both men and women on the other hand is that they begin to look for a long-term partner. Meaning men gets significantly more picky than most of us are in our 20s when it is often mostly about fun.
While I am sure this also happens on women's side their version often includes looking for traits that are a little harder to see at first glance. And then we get this new dating-scene where men are more picky and ask for more while women are more open to who they date as they want a little more than meets the eye. What it really results in is just a slight shift towards even difficulty. And that does tend to work in men's favor and would create a situation not unlike yours. Albeit I'd bet more on my theory than the fertility one. If the fertility one was true we should all be pursuing 16-17 year olds when and if legal. Not what most men want.
Technically speaking I can't say they're incorrect. After 30, a woman generally starts losing their ability to bear children, quickly or slowly. Men's value increasing at that age isn't something I think was ever a thing tho. I believe shortly after that age, muscle mass and density tends to decrease a bit and so does testosterone, which makes sex drive and sperm count lower. Could be at around 35-40 tho, so don't quote me on that. It's all based on, probably outdated, irrelevant data and generalizations anyway.
This is a really, really fucking stupid way to look at things and has been for centuries. We're no longer depending on this primal bs, everyone survives regardless.
I personally think mature women are absolutely fucking amazing. A lot of beautiful women just become even more beautiful with time. I don't care if my girlfriend and I decide to have kiddos when she can't bear any of her own, we'll adopt if it's necessary. See? "Problem" solved.
Be very careful! Those MGTOW propaganda can likely lead you to regret, misery or places of no return! If you can't harness the MGTOW weaponry properly (like how we harness the internet or phones), you'll find it backfiring at yourself while being in denial.
Needless to say this is complete hoax. plenty of beautiful and sexy women out there are in their 30s and some made it even in their 40s and can make me remember them. At least they don't tend to play kindergarten games in dating.
The mans value rising up by the time he is 30 is another shallow perk because men in their 30s tend to make at least double the amount of money than the minimum wage.
What happened to love?
I think it is wishful thinking. Unfortunately I think women always have more sex appeal than a similar aged man does.
You could maybe say that when we hit our 30s women don't has a big of an advantage as they did when we were in our teens or twenties, but to say it actually reverses and men get the advantage probably isn't true.
The answer to this question really goes back to the fact that men and women value different things in a mate. Today's women really seem to struggle with that concept.
Men are genetically programmed to value youth and fertility, which are tightly intertwined with looks. That's why women's value in the dating market plummets around age 30, give or take. And it's why men generally are attracted to younger women.
Women, on the other hand, value maturity, stability and income in a mate. As women love to tell us, it's difficult to find a man in his 20s with those qualities. That's why women tend to be attracted to older men, and why single men in their 30s are far more valuable in the dating market than women the same age.
i don't hold with the opinion that the only vlue a woman has is
vis-à-vis a man's desire for her. In fact, that's a pretty insulting and rather ignorant opinion.
In fact, as I am 33, I see my financial "value" only increasing as I get older-I own my own home, I work at a high paid professional level at a large hospital, and lately I spend almost as much time out of the country as I do in th U. S., as I also own and manage family property in the EU.
Im still single (oh dear), but I have done well for myself. It should be said that I have a guy with whom I am very close.
and younger than me too :)
RE women and whatever "value" you speak of in your thesis-Im thinking that it should be revisited-as it has no basis in fact.
For single women? Yes.
MGTOW and incels do talk about this a lot because they're bitter, but at the same time the idea didn't just come out of nowhere. There are many women especially over 30 who complain that they can't find a good man to marry.
They can get male attention, sure, but they can't get the guys they actually want to commit to them seriously. Then they become like "nice guys" and start whining about how the opposite sex is wrong for not wanting them, asking where all the good men have gone.
Opposite opinions based on which sex you belong to. Would be interesting to know which were out of anger vs out of belief.
I do remember one woman that was then my age now, when I was 15, that I would have happily dated.
It does come down to keeping your muscles, especially the torso ones, active, and so looking as sexy as the 20 year olds. I tend to see more men than women in their 40s and onwards that fit that (it's easy to tell how sexy someone is by looking at how fit their body is - if you didn't use makeup your face ages slower too)
I think both go down but women more and faster.
I might be biased since I want a younger girl because I feel we'd be at a closer experience level (never dated seriously, just casual dates and only kissed once). Most of my distaste for older women is that they generally have baggage I want no part in. I have been interested in one older girl who was seemingly a virgin too at 27 but it's not common.
I feel that women just dont mind as much if a guy is older and between a 30yo guy who takes care of himself and a 30yo women who does the guy just looks better 95% of the time.
Generally speaking, I think that's true. Age tends to benefit men, because we're valued for qualities like financial stability, career achievement, general competence, and strength of character--attributes that tend to improve with age. Women, on the other hand, are valued for youth and physical beauty, attributes that tend to deteriorate with advancing age.
Most women prefer men who are older than they are, and most men prefer women who are younger. This is true across the board, so much so that it's damn near axiomatic. It stands to reason that this is so because older men and younger women hold more value to potential mates. I know that no 28 yo women were wanting me when I was 20. And by the same token, I'm not looking to date women are in their mid 30s.
If that is only how people who don’t want relationships Can feel... for everyone else, They know people age. It’s a fact. Even if you date a 20 year old, she sill get older. If you only value youth , you’ll be divorcing in ten years anyhow so might as well not even bother. Just stay single and bang 20 year old hookers for life.
I would say half true. The sexual value of women decreases (generally speaking, there would be obvious exceptions), but of course relationships are about more than sex, so women can still have other things to offer. For men I would say the sexual value is probably stays about the same on average, again it probably depends on the individual. Men typically have more resources and confidence after 30, which can make them more attractive.
Men don't gain physical attractiveness, men lose attractiveness as well with age, but it happens slower and older guys gain a lot due social status and personality. Guys, if I'm honest a 20 yo boy appears in comparison to 40 yo. man like an immature child. Even for me who will be 30 in few days.
For men, that is only true if they have a good career; a bum at 50 has fewer chances for redemption than a bum at 20.
For women, that is only true as regards appearance and reproduction. And while most 35 year old women don't look as good as when they were 20, some still look better than most 20 year olds.
Women after 30 seem a lot more confident (also more comfortable with their bodies) than they do before that, so I would disagree with that as being too simplistic of a view.
it is true in the sexual market. generally your value peaks in your 30-40s because that's when most people are working and being productive while still healthy.
in the sexual market men peak after 30 and sometimes even further while women peak at 18-25.
its because men and women are looking for different things.
It's true. Men tend to prefer them young and women look for older guys.
Just depends on the market really, market always dictates value. Also the statement implys that women don’t work or Aquire assets which isn’t really the case in today’s world.
and don't for get to add that women can shit anywhere they want these days because they're liberated.
OMG watch your step
this is usually what single men try to convince themselves of. besides, after 30, i won't care if my "value goes down." i'll have my children and career to worry about, not about how "valuable" some men with no brains deem me to be.
plus, i've seen some smokin hot women well past 40 who some of these men can only dream of. we need to remember that no one's value decreases because everyone is valuable. only idiots buy into this crap, and rate other human beings on how valuable they perceive them to be. are they a living organism? yes? then they are valuable. there is no such thing as "less valuable."
lol dont get hurt about it. Clearly a large proportion of men think like this and another proportion that dont. But don't think your of the hook that easy you could get a partner that divorces u at 30 and you maybe stuck with the burden of a child and lost of youth.
and also remember you are more valuable in your 20s, that means u can use your body to have more power in a relationship. Not one guy has complained about it yet here, yet it still something that happens.
I think it says a lot about those people if they reduce someone to purely looks and fertility.
Nope. Women can be prettier when they age and there are many cases of men looking horrendous as they age (not to mention that beauty is subjective).
I've always found prettier woman when they are younger? Not saying they arnt pretty as they age. But their youth makes them more attractive.
Mgtow channels just voice or solidify thoughts, don't spend too much time on them, if you want to know more about mgtow contact me or other mgtow and speak directly to us, YouTube is not your go-to for all things mgtow
Are you a man going your own way? I went on the subreddit and got banned cause I made a joke so didn’t really get to know mush about them
I just don’t like generalizing half the population and treating people different because of their gender. It seems a lot of mgtow see women as all believing and acting in the same way and are all unwilling to change. I think it’s totally fine wanting to be single, I’m single but I don’t blame it on men.
Yeah that happens initially in the first stages, we call it our apocalypse, removing the veil, we've often been children raised mostly by our mother and taught that treating a woman a certain way and she will treat you a certain way, we find out as adults that's not true and see the same patters repeat with others, it takes a while but in truth it's no different to women saying all men only want one thing and such like. It usually only lasts a while and then we move in from that, for a while I hated all women, society, government, the law then finally one in particular and then gave up hating, like drinking poison and waiting for the other person to die, it's just pointless, eventually you give up hate and move on. These channels are aimed at those starting their journey not guys who've come out the other side
Yeah, I hate it when women say things like all men are this or that. I wish people focused more on the individual that making stupid generalizations.
Yeah. And its been proven ranting only makes people more emotional about something, which might lead to people further isolating themselves from those who disagree with them.
It does and for some of us it's cathartic to hear it but after a while it becomes repetitive and you get bored hearing the same crap usually it's around this time you start moving through it all and doing the work you need to, don't get too hung up on it overall they are no more than channels dedicated to the old I am woman hear me roar. They work for a while and then get old.
Both probably “lose value” cause you body stops working as well as it used to.
I don't, a woman looks even more attractive after hitting her 30s in my opinion.
You're measuring the woman by her body and the man by his wallet? Then yes, but that's a bad comparison, both wallets increase and both bodies loose value but the problem here is that you compare men's wallet value with women's body
Correct me if I'm missunderstanding the question
Yeah mgtow holds traditional values. The man is the earner woman are home bodies.
Seriously?
What about the value as a human being! Choices sometimes must be made, but the value of a human life can not be evaluated in currency.
Not really. I think in average the peak age for women is about 25 and for men about 30, but it depends on the individual.
Well, it depends is she fat? How pretty does she look?
Oh my god, I feel like such a shitty person...
Yeah women aren't even allowed to have gray hair anymore
This used to be true when women looked good before 30. Today's 20 year olds have stretch marks and wrinkles and droopy tits and everything. It really doesn't matter how old they are
Value of women decrease at 26. 25 is max. At 30 they literally become man.
Absolute value goes down across the board, but relative value goes up.
Some truth to it but probably after 40 not 30 for women
You disqualified yourself in the first sentence.
I don't understand the question.
Stupidest shit ever
Sounds like shallow B. S.
wow, women in denial
Lol their getting angry at me
they'll do that, but everyone knows it's true
Not at all
some truth to this.
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