
So how come people get together? Is it that one of them always end up giving in? Do mutuality really exists in relationships?



My dad says "don't look for the perfect man, because you'll waste a lot of time trying to find him. When you do, you won't be the perfect match for him so he won't want you."
Attraction is so much more than just physical looks, while that helps to get things going it isn't what keeps things going. Personality and how well you mesh are more important in keeping things going.
I have a friend right now, who has all kinds of offers to date but she rejects them all cause she isn't interested in any of them. Instead she keeps asking out guys that she says look like Johnny Depp or Orlando Bloom. She won't accept anything less and has been single for a couple years as a result. She is choosing to be single and rejecting all the others because she won't even give any of the others a chance to get to know them.
In a way you either have to settle or at least give someone a chance to get to know them better to realize you might actually like them beyond how they actually look.
Wow, people are really complicated right?
But, yeah. Thank you very much for the advice ^^
Is good give a just to them at least, maybe it can surprise us later.
*give a chance
Your welcome and yeah it is true. Give them a chance, a few dates won't hurt and they can really surprise you.
I've found personally, that as I get to know someone who has a great personality they get more attractive to me. If Someone has a bad personality they start to get less attractive over time.
That's nice to know, a more optimistic view!
If it happens to me next time I'll give them a chance too ^^
This might make you angry to read right now but from my experience when someone you like doesn't like you back its a blessing in disguise. That means that person is not meant for you! there's someone better in store for you! So be thankful he didn't lead you on! there's someone out there that will adore you the way you are!
So look at it as a blessing in disguise.
Make me angry? Not at all! It's your opinion and a great one by the way. You're right, I like your point of view. From now on I'll start to see it in a more positive manner (blessing). Thank you! ^^
Your welcome! The best is yet to come! Honestly at 18 take time to discover yourself, the meaning of life, your goals you want to achieve short term and long term.
Guys at your age don't know what they want. My parents told me no boyfriend until I was 16. So I had an online boyfriend so I could fit in with my friends and my parents would never know. So when I turned 16 first thing I did was look for an actual boyfriend it was more about show than anything else..
You know the funny thing some guys that rejected me before as a teen when I was in my mid 20s now wanted to date me. Happened with two different guys.
If I could do things again I wouldn't have focused on guys so much... so many times people are looking for external factors to make them happy when in reality happiness is found within ourselves.
When your young and you date a bunch of guys you actually get more scars because I have come to the conclusion that people who claim your the one, the only one... they want you forever blah blah blah fill in the blank they mean it in that moment but when the grass looks greener on the other side of the fence are they going to jump the fence or are they going to stick to their word and focus on making their grass even greener! Too many people give up when the going gets tough!
Then when the next guy says how great you are and he thinks your the one... you remember the previous guy saying that and he left you... so that in itself is a blessing if you dont have to face that!
I also have a friend who married his high school sweetheart I thought it was incredible but she started to blame him for not being able to live her life and left him... now they have shared custody of their two boys.
As to answer your question mutual attraction is possible. I prayed years for a husband that God would direct my steps. Guys would ask me out but I knew they werent a good match for me.. id tell them why were not a good match and keep praying I really wanted a man of God that valued me that would pick me outta a crowd of women.. even tho I am far from perfect! Perfect love casts out all fear... with God first and foremost thats perfect love but even a worship leader cheated on me.. so I litterly prayed made a list of what I wanted the man to be like his job, his attitude, his desires, his looks and if a guy didn't match that I knew he wasn't for me. God says you have not cause you ask not. Whatever you ask for in my name believe you have received it and it will be yours. During this time werid things started happening like a guy asking for my number in the store when I refused I went to my car abd found his number under my windshield wiper. I prayed about it and just threw his number out. Figured I was one of many. I have realized before the blessing comes the enemy tries to get us off course.. one of my best friends said he liked me the guy is great but his definition of following God isn't the same as mine...
Not even a month later I met a guy abd was like we always knew each other. He felt like an old friend I haven't seen in awhile to my knowledge I have never met him before. We have said what if we met years ago but for some reason God had us meet Dec 2019... normally around people I can't wait to be by myself people tire me out... he's the same way but it was like we never wanted to leave each other... he hugged me the first day of meeting usually that felt awkward but with him I felt safe. It was after that hug after a restaurant meal I knew.. I just knew he was the one... the first day of meeting him... but I figured if its meant to be itll be... we could only see eachother on weekends with our work schedules.. time would go by so fast talking on the phone before long it was 2am and I had to be up at 7am.. that weekend we watched a movie at his place he asked if he could kiss me I politely refused cause I dont kiss unless they are my boyfriend unless its an animal. After supper that night he asked me to be his girlfriend. Then I said can I kiss you? He said you didn't have to ask.
Two main reasons.
One is just math. If you are attracted to one out of a hundred people, what are the odds they will be attracted to you back?
The other main reason is that large numbers of people are attracted to a small number of people. So that person that everyone is attracted to has their pick. It means they can be highly selective.
But don't worry, the large majority of people end up with someone. Most crushes when you are young are not based on anything solid. Over time it works out. This is why 95% of the population ends up getting married.
I'll add a third reason, sort of. Guys tend to be shy, especially young guys. There are probably guys who are attracted to you but you have no idea they are because they give no indication.
It makes sense, thank you! ^^
The problem is you're aiming higher than your market value. That's why this keeps on happening.
The reason 2 people get together is 1 thinks the other person is attractive. And the other just isn't repulsed by the other. Virtually never do 2 people meet where they are mutually attracted. At least not in the beginning.
My advice is aim a little lower. And if you don't want to aim lower (which is understandable) then learn to accept being single.
Guess so you're right, makes sense.
It took me 40 years to accept this. It' human nature to seek companionship. But you have to tell yourself if you're not with someone who is a good match you might as well be alone.
I don't try to force things anymore. In the end you just end up heartbroken
Yeah, seems pointless to me develop feelings for someone.
I kinda think I'll most likely stick alone.
Don't lose heart though. Guys your age typically don't know what they want. That'll start to change in a few years.
Maybe they will if u say so, even tho I don't even let myself develop feelings anymore...
But either way there's plenty of things more important 4 me now ^^
Was just curious to know if mutuality really does exist.
Mutually does. But almost NEVER in the beginning. One usually does the catching (in a fishing sense). Believe it or not usually the woman. Because women can usually see compatibility before the guy does. And then usually the other one catches up later.
Oh, yeah it makes sense.
Always wondered how come people get together. So, it turns out that initially most likely won't be mutual but after.
I'm just saying (when it's real) one usually sees it better than the other. Which is why that someone usually works harder. If the other isn't stupid or a jerk they eventually see it to. Because initial attraction called "limerence" dissipates from a few months to 3 years. And if it's not replaced by a deeper feeling of love people tend to go their separate ways.
I guess what I'm trying to say is 2 people can be a good match but it's about timing. People seldom feel things at the same time.
Or more accurately people seldom feel the same thing AT the same time.
That's an interesting fact that people seldom feel things at the same time.
People are really complicated aren't we?
Yeah, the same thing.
Yes. I always say it's a wonder that 2 people ever get together let alone stay together. Because love isn't enough. It takes work. You have to want to love the other person. The honeymoon stage doesn't last forever.
Yeah, for me it looks even like a legend...
And the fact that my parents met in form of dreams so...
They were really into church and always praying for God to choose someone for them, then it happened. And what's even weirder. BOTH of them dreamt of each other as revelation before ever have met in person.
Lol, I don't know if u believe or not in God but just saying...
Most definitely! In fact I always say I don't concern myself with " looking" for a partner. If I'm supposed to have one God will put one in my life. And if it's his will that I stay single. Then so be it.
I always tell people that want a partner to pray for one. And if you aren't getting one it's probably because God knows you aren't ready yet.
I can honestly say I don't know if I'll ever be.
Yeah, I think the same way.
Sometimes in church they said to us that is important to pray for God to choose a partner for us, and I did so initially but sometimes I feel kinda stupid doing it ya know?😅
They say that according to the Bible the real meaning of relationships is that both parties continuously pursue the Lord, always putting Him first over anyone or anything. So if He knows we're not ready for this commitment yet our wish won't be granted...
I don't know if I'll ever be ready either.
@kitty71 no one's TELLING you to aim lower. And I don't think ANYON should settle. But if you're aiming and getting no takers you have 2 choices the way I see it. Aim lower or accept being single.
I accepted being single. It's not the worst thing in the world. 🙂
My market value doesn’t exist
So you don't belive one can increase their market value? Sure aim lower is sound advice but what about working on yourself to become the person that is attractive to people you find attractive yourself.
So get in shape learn useful skills, advanced in your career or at least do something you're pationate about that pays the bills and on and on.
If you get your shit together no one is out of your league
@ZackBan oh no man I didn't mean that at all. I do believe a person CAN and should try to increase their marketability. Maybe I misunderstood her. The impression I got from the asker was she has already tried this. But in my opinion a person in working with limited means. I mean yes you're going to increase your marketability but it's not like you're going to double your marketability. I mean there's a lot to be said for being sociable and optimistic. But genetics are genetics and like it or not no amount of personality will completely make up for that. Understand I'm not trying to hurt anyone here. I'm just trying to help them not waste their time on a futile endeavor. Leagues do exist! I'm not saying someone CAN'T break out of their league. But it's rare.
Absolutely. Genetics are Genetics, but I don't believe there is a single genetic factor that can crush your hopes as far as market value goes short of being fully crippled.
Like even the most visible disfigurations can be turned into something positive if you own them and truly display how you are not affect by them.
As for the average person, i belive market value increases exponentially over a long period of time. You won't see results right away but once you go from mediocre to acceptable you'll go faster to average and even faster to amazing. Sure it slows down once you're at a high level but by then you no longer need a lot. Having six packs or 8 packs doesn't affect your physical appearance as much as having a large belly does if you know what I mean. So what I'm saying is don't worry about the genetics focus on what you actually can control and and anyone can be made very attractive, maybe not perfect but then again nobody is so that's fine
@ZackBan well you're 24 and I think it's good that you have a positive attitude. As you live and experience more you'll start to see more of what I'm saying. I don't want any confusion here. I'm not saying anyone is trash. Or anything like that. I think everyone should always seek to be the best version of themselves. If for nothing else then self respect. Never lose that! All I'm saying. Know where you rank to people. And don't waste your time on fruitless efforts. I always tell people that worry about judgement, "look at the people who know and love you". They are the only people who can judge you. Because they're the only people who know you well enough to judge you. Anyone else you're getting a false perception of who you are. Because they don't know you. They're judging the surface you. However it's still their judgement. And it isn't going to change unless they want to get to know you. Which most people don't most people go with surface perceptions. That's just a reality. A reality like it or not a person has to accept. No amount of wanting it to change will alter that.
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I believe we tend to act more like ourselves, more confidently around people we don't like making them attracted to us. The same way, we can't seem to attract people we like most of the times because of the lack of confidence we show.
This is SO TRUE!!
I know, right? 🤷🏻♀️
If the people to whom we are attracted never felt the same toward us, then no one would ever be in a relationship.
I'll tell you a situation -
An ugly guy (it is study from home coz of covid so we belong to same MBA batch) loves me, lives in another state and is not of my standards. He is selfish as well because when I told him that i don't feel anything for him as you do not fit into what kinda guy i want, he still decided to pursue me way too much to trying to be the best. It was tiring and i tried my best to set boundaries and maintain them while he was disrespectful of my privacy and was trying to invade it, making me uncomfortable. I was too tired to deny but managed to maintain friendship, despite me not wanting to even be a friend. I don't block people coz i don't want anyone to feel hurt, as i believe in good deeds.
I want a guy who i am attracted to and visa versa. Why would i go to just any random guy? Why would I go to a guy who loves me while I don't love him? I can't force myself to love him. love should come from within. I can't fake love. I take matters of heart very seriously. Hearts are treasure for me so I'll give my heart to just one as my heart is only one.
So now you understand?
People can't fake their love.
So me in a relationship,
This guy was disrespectful and rude few many times. I blocked him and my heart was broken because I loved him but self love comes first. So after a month, he realised his mistake. He and his mom called me too many times all day. He wouldn't have come back if he didn't love me. I was happy again.
So now you understand?
Self love is important. Otherwise how will anyone love you if you don't love yourself?
That's an incredible story, thank you for sharing it! ^^
It makes sense. If someone asks me, I'm used to say sure I love myself. But the truth is that I don't really know.
Truly loving yourself can be hard sometimes.
No. When you put yourself first, automatically the world bends before you
How did you let these people know that you were crushing on them? Did you let them know how you felt? For you ladies out there nowadays a lot of guys are gun shy and a lot of the guys that aren’t gun shy aren’t the kinda guys you want to wind up with because they’re probably players so I would say if you’re a young woman that likes a guy and aren’t sure what he thinks just grab up your purse and go talk to him you can start with some small talk and if the situation allows for even just have a couple little conversations with him over a couple days to feel him out a little then if you’re still interested ask him for coffee or just go up ask the dude if he’s seeing anyone and if he says no ask him for coffee. Most guys are gonna at the very least be flattered and if for some one in million chance he’s not interested he’s gonna turn you down gently which unless he’s already seeing someone gay or you have a giant booger hanging off your face he’s gonna say yes dudes are way more likely to say yes than a girl being asked out is. So it’s looking like nowadays it’s the ladies turn to be more aggressive when it comes too first dates. Now of course not every dude that asks a girl on a date is a player there’s still some of us that would but we’re a good bit older so if you’re interested in a guy say from teens to mid twenties your best bet is to be the aggressor this is just what I see happening these days
I believe it’s usually one of two reasons:
1) we tend to act really unnaturally around people we find attractive. Whilst with people we don’t fancy at all we are free to be our relaxed, authentic selves. So therefore, the people we find attractive don’t see our best personalities or we mess things up because we feel awkward around them/afraid of rejection. Yet the people we don’t like start to like us because they find us funny, charming etc.
2) if this happens to someone continuously, they might just be aiming “too high” in terms of looks or shallow attributes. Either they raise their own level so they’re on the same level as the people they’re interested in, or they aim “lower.” This is only about shallow things of course, like looks, money etc.
You're right, loved your list by the way. Thank you! ^^
I think it has a lot to do with volume.
If your reference for making to statement is one failed crush or 2 or 3 you haven't tested enough of the population to make the conclusion that mutual attraction doesn't exist.
That's not me saying go become a slut, but just keep in mind that there are plenty of people out there and many you will find attractive as well as many who will find you attractive, eventually you will meet someone who meets both conditions but for that you have to be able to get out there and put in the effort.
Makes sense, thank you! ^^
Happened when I was a teenager with this girl Lindsay back when I was like 14. 13 or 14.
Puberty him me like a brick and I improved myself radically over a few years so by the time she saw me again at 17-18 it flipped around.
I could tell how attracted she was to me and more so when I walked in with my girl who was looking better than Lindsay. Very proud moment for me lol. Found out from others she was asking them about me. Wanted to get details on what I'm up to.
Nothing came of it. I had long moved on and done better since
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Good to know you moved on and now you've been doing much better ^^
It is not never but most people are attracted to the top 0.1% such as movie stars, models, the wealthy, and Olympic medalists. They in turn are going to be attracted others in their elite groups. They have no reason to be attracted to the 1,000 times as many average, below average people, and undesirables that are far below their league.
People are attracted to those above their league but must settle for someone within their league. People are not attracted to those below their league because they are undesirable and have nothing to offer.
Makes sense, thank you! ^^
That's fine, I don't mind them ^^
And I know some people do really think that.
No worries and thank you ^^
Yeah it sucks.
i Have a thing where I need an emotional connection, even if I thinks she’s gorgeous, I know unless we click emotionally, then it’s pointless even trying to take it forward.
a lot is trying to avoid getting a crush on someone until you find out if you have anything in common, some element of emotional / intellectual connection.
Also everyone gets a bit hung up on social media ideals of people, it’s also a case of being realistic about the types you are comfortable with and not aim really high all the time, also don’t get knocked back if you don’t meet someone straight out.
One factor at that age is lack of confidence and maturity. Many boys are confused, unsure, and in skilled. Girls mature faster generally. People don’t know what they like, may harbor emotional wounds, may like you and lie to avoid the fear of unknown, or like you and never express it.
I could not be honest w girls then. Learning to communicate well may help get over the hurdles. Or just accept some are not ready or not interested now and move on.
It makes sense to me, thank you! ^^
Lol, tbh I'm one of the ones who don't express cuz I'm too ashamed to do so...
Well there ya go. It’s confusing as heck. Lessons learned… take the risks… learn… and suffer. Only way you grow. Shame is a limiting emotion. Work on tapping the love, connection concern etc and realize the other side is just as tricky. That’s the challenge to overcome
Because to people with options, those who like them easily come off as "low value" or "desperate" (mainly, what women think). The less someone wants you, the more you want them, because you subconsciously think of them as "high value" and "having plenty of options." The opposite of supposed "clingy and desperate" that someone who likes you, is.
Please don't think or feel in absolutes, as nearly nothing is permanent. Sorry you feel down that those you attracted to aren't attracted back at this moment in time. You never know what they're feeling or what events are impacting them. You should always have dreams, which is sort of what attraction is. Don't you see your mind wander?
Aim as high as you want, but don't expect... just hope. Keep up the positive feelings and you will attract what you want.
One of three reasons...
1. That person is out of your league could be (looks, personality, social class, or something else).
2. Bad luck or you just haven't found the right one yet. Meaning that the person you like right now isn't meant for you or there's someone else out there waiting for you.
3. The person could already like someone else or already be in a relationship.
Loved that you listed all the options you analysed ^^
Thank you!
No Problem mostly the second one happened to me when I was still single! Now I'm with an attractive and great guy who likes me and I like too. Don't settle for less there's someone out there for you!
I stopped acting that way 2 years ago. It’s. A waste of time. Same goes with when a guy has interest in me but I’m not feeling it with him I just don’t let myself catch any feelings for that guy even if he’s cute I just don’t let “lust” take over me anymore, I learned to put it aside and open my eyes to see what’s really there.
Same girl, same...
I was so naive back then, always thinking about crushes and stuff till I realised it's pointless and a waste of time developing feelings for someone.
That’s not what I was trying to say at all. To narrow it down I meant that when it comes to people who don’t share feelings with you that you should let them go and don’t think much of it and not waste your time. Same with the other thing I said , when you’re talking to someone you’re infatuated with and they may be infatuated with you, if aside for your infatuation you’re not feeling the “chemistry” where you both share the same values interests hobbies etc (what you’re looking for on in a guy) then drop that guy because you’d be saving him and yourself from wasting each other’s time simply because he’s not what you’re actually looking for regardless if he was cute or not.
Ohh fine, yeah you're right. Sorry, misunderstood your comment.
If it's not reciprocated surely it's a waste of time and if you don't share same values nor feel a chemistry even if he's cute or not.
I get it now, thank you for the explanation. ^^
Start talking to guys that you can say "okay I could see it happening". Then see if you have things in common and if he is nice to you. You don't need someone to turn the heads of others. Yes u need someone who is going to love and cherish you always and protect you and just be there for you.
I'm not really for sure about that I know for me if I'm hanging out with the person and I like them did I like the a lot of different reasons I think sometime timing is just off a little bit you have to remember this is just a moment in time this moment passes and anyone starts but I do understand what you're saying it's happened to me many times before
It's simple statistics you can say a person have three positions. They dislike a person, they don't have a opinion or is neutral or likes them. So when you like someone and they are completely unaware of you. They are most like in the no opinion or neutral position. While they themselves have the eye for someone else. So they don't feel the same thing for you as their crush. That's why many try to warm up their potential partners with presence and small talk before they make their move.
I came to Colombia to meet a gorgeous and brilliant young woman. With a full business plan to help her family import to the USA and make them all filthy rich by Colombian standards and retired in their mid 50s. Guess what? She wants some young dude with no self confidence that she can control and lord it over. I can't bro. I just can't anymore.
That's not always true. What happens is that 90% of people are attracted to the hottest 10% of the opposite gender (sticking to straight people for these purposes). Thus the people you are attracted to are probably in the top 10%, so unless you are also you will likely be disappointed.
Yes, this happens to me every time. Very frustrating!
Welcome to the club! ☺️
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