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Drastically enough to match men's scores of women?Not even close.What balances itself out is that if you measure their physiological response, it seems like their tastes aren't actually that steep.
@anylolone Yes it does. Never heard that women get in love with they hear and men with what they see?
Only 1% of men were even swiped upon.Kind of hard to even get to know the women when they won't meet you.
That's the hard part.
Yes, I haven't actually ever seen in practice.I saw women who wanted to project an air of superiority over a potential mate because they thought themselves deserving of a better mate, or just because of ego.I also saw manipulative women take advantage of a simp cuck."He grew on me" was never an actual growth, sexual attraction actually usually only went down.There are edge cases, like a guy actually getting fitter, or a girl exploring a "bear" fetish.But the most common case was a girl stringing a guy along actually finding him ever more disgusting, with him only getting interesting again after he gets a girlfriend.There's also the case of her getting desperate, he clearly doesn't grow on her but she can't afford being dishonest anymore.And that also happens with guys, by the way. Gay guys, lesbians, everyone.Reality is, everyone's standards is like male standards, very low.That's how the downstairs area works, considering the evolutionary costs of not pairing or reproducing, our bodies really aren't as picky with people as they are with food.But if there's an illusion of access to better options, then there will be no wasted time with worst ones.
@anylolone let's not get extreme on our views. Just because you have never seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I have seen it happen. A girl friend of mine at first didn't like a guy. Not at all, exactly because she didn't found him very attractive. She all fitness and he isn't. He is average. And now they are living together. And it's not because he got into fitness or because she has a fetish, is simply because she likes him. She got to know him, she began to fell for him and look at them now. I am not saying some girls don't string guys along. Or that simps chase way more than they should even after they hear a no. Each situation is different. People have brains and they should use them. "Is she a good bet?" "Is she replying to my advances?" "How does she treat others?"See how the girl is and decide if it is worth to try with her or not. That's for a relationship. About easy sex, of course standards drop. But why not? People today are less prude and more open to have sex, just for fun and pleasure.
"Just because you never" well, i've seen more gay guys with accepting homes turn straight, that's the point.And you can bet that her case was an "unexplored" fetish case.If she's not "fapping to fat guys on porn hub" (and I don't mean only, I mean as well and frequently) then it's the "leading him alone".And I'm going to tell you what was my policy with what I learned:If a chick comes with "I don't dig guys like you but you grew on me/are an exception" that's a huge no-no for me. Either she doesn't dig me or she's negging for her own ego sake and will do it for ever.I was fucking 16 when a friend introduced me to PUA stuff for me to right away tell him "negging, you mean what girls do to you? Like, your front neighbor or my sister with any boy she likes, or... etc?"
@anylolone he os not fat. Not at all. But he isn't fit either, like I said he is average. No fetish coming out of there. A woman actually falling in love, genuinely in love, exists. I have no idea why I have to say it, but apparently I do.Or... or she is telling the truth. People are not black or white. All it takes is for you to vibe and have good chemistry to make your forget everything else. There are toxic people on this world. Sure. And there are good people too. That's life. Some girls play guys, some guys play girls. That's how it is. Just keep your witt's about you and you will be fine.
That's also a fetish.Now, you say he's average, like, if you took a 100 guys, he'd be between the 45 and 55 in what ever you are saying he's average on?
@anylolone És brasileiro? When I say average I mean average. Like a 6/10. You think all love is a fetish?
Yes, I'm brazilian.And no, I don't think all love is a fetish, I think all sexual attraction/being turned on is "fetish like", so to speak. Or, translating in a better way "I think sexual attraction is sexual attraction".
@anylolone but you know that sexual attraction increases or decreases according to how you feel about a person right?
Oh, sexual desire can fluctuate over partner perception, which is does not only correlates with physical attractiveness.But in that sense, looking at long term relationships, sexual desire for a partner actually increases for men with time and decreases for women.www.medicalnewstoday.com/.../314181And that actually seems like a constant.
@anylolone Nowhere there says that men's sexual desire by their partner increases over time. And note that the study was conducted in people with some age. Do you really think men that age have their sexual desire for their partner increase over time?
@anylolone besides remember that according to that documentary women do fall a lot more for what they hear than we do. Sexual desire may not not be there, but love still is. They are connected, but not necessarily the same.
Love without sexual desire is just platonic love, my friend.Nothing against platonic love.
@anylolone when you are old. Like over 70 old. Most people can't even have sex anymore. Yet love is still much there and is far from platonic.
They still have sexual desire, you'd be surprised.Most 13yo are too scared to have sex, they still have sexual desire.Those years where your wife is disgusted at you because she doesn't want to fuck you won't make her love you more when you are 70, they gonna make her poison your tea.
@anylolone do you have an argument to shut down these asexual idiots? They insist that romance is separate from sexual relation and that just blows my mind.
The objective is never to shut down.These "asexual idiots" are rare as "asexual" as advertised.
@anylolone I am sure they have some, but no where near what they used to have. What years where your wife is disgusted at you? Just because sexual attraction decreases over time doesn't mean it ends. You said yourself that they still have it even at 70.
@Juxtapose never have I said that romance is separated from sexual attraction. In a relationship you need to be attracted to your partner mentally or physically or it will not last.That's not the argument. @anylolone believes that if a woman doesn't finds you physically attractive at first, she will never love you. Which is inherently false. It is literally proven that women's score on men's attractiveness change a lot after knowing them.
Right now, it hasn't gotten there yet. Doesn't always get there and there are ways to counter act it.Which is why men's libido towards wives don't go down the same way, they are actually usually doing something to counter act it.But when you see a guy exchanging wives, practicing hypergammy on a completely normal marriage, then you get a guy who didn't do that.And you see how and when it happens, the moment he gives up procuring her it's the moment attraction goes way down.
@anylolone Didn't understood what you meant. You mean that men do more effort into feeling sexual attraction than women do? If that was it it's just an assumption. This part I really have no idea what you mean or even why you said it:"But when you see a guy exchanging wives, practicing hypergammy on a completely normal marriage, then you get a guy who didn't do that."Remember what it was scientifically proven. Women rate men wildly different after they get to know them. Men don't. People don't change personality wise nearly as much as they change physically over the years.So even when he stops procuring, her attention for him doesn't change.
Nope, that's not what I meant. They put effort into other things, like sex itself, which in turn translates (without them knowing) putting more effort in validating their partners, which in turn means translates into quite literally validating their partners more, which in turns automatically translates into better partner perception.The more effort, specially physical, you put into initiating and the sex itself, the better partner perception you develop. "The more effort to make the food, the tastier it's" sort of thing, but with people.
@anylolone and you are saying women put less effort into sex?
That's common knowledge. Actually, that's a common demand from women when it comes to sex, and a common fetish.
@anylolone again I am confused. What is a common fetish for women?About them not wanting to work on their sex lives you are wrong. Women actively try to fix literally any problem in their marriage. Most divorces happen when they feel their husbands stopped trying with them.
Actually no, and we know this because marriage counseling with this sort of mentality more likely tend to end in divorce. And most divorces they file are no fault divorces.
@anylolone do you know what's the number one cause for divorce?"Lack of commitment"In other words, "I tried, but he didn't".
Actually, nope. The most common reasons is "lack of commitment" which both parties usually argue, both the one initiating and the one who didn't, and incompatibility.
@anylolone lack of commitment means one stopped putting effort. Since women initiate most divorces we know who that is most of the time.
And we already established here women don't like starting putting any effort.
@anylolone Assumptions on your part.
Not really, it's basic common knowledge and the sort of stuff that puzzles researchers without common sense."Why do women like to be less proactive sexually?" because they believe they can.Humans naturally conserve energy and risks, if they believe they can be catered to, they will avoid being proactive.
@anylolone more assumptions. Women often put way more effort into every aspect of their relationship than men. Case and point the number one divorce cause.
"They put way more effort and the reason is that they divorce more and say it's because the other party didn't put enough effort." lol!It's also the main reason men give for divorce, they aren't immune to hypergamy either.
Uhhh WHAT? WOMEN put more effort into relationships?In what universe! Omfg! Women generally put in almost no effort lol.
@anylolone yes but men don't file for divorce nearly as much.
@Juxtapose why does that sound odd?
They don't file for divorce as much, so of course they don't put as much effort into sex and the "relationship". Makes sense.Let's just forget the rest gigantic mountain of evidence including women's own claims about how much effort they put into sex and what they expect of relationships.Let's all forget the high correlation of financial difficulties and divorce.
@anylolone Is exactly because they don't put as much effort that women file for divorce more. I have explained it.You have to tell me where do you listen to those girls. Because data doesn't back that up. Not even science does.
Their own claims don't back their own claims that guys don't put in the effort.It's one of the most retarded shit that shows humans will say anything to deflect responsibility, unaware of inconsistencies, if they are allowed.Two biggest issues for divorce is lack of physical intimacy and finances when it comes to verifiable stuff (IE, measure then find correlation) and by their own words they don't put most effort in either.
@anylolone you talk about claims that come from who? Random people you know? Comments on the internet? Against actual data collected by professionals. No contest here. So by their actual words, they are the ones that say men don't put enough effort into the relationship.
Nope, their own claims in study, in self-report studies.
@anylolone we clearly have different sources.
Not really, you just don't actually read the studies, check the methodology so you are sure what the data actually means, etc.Read the actual studies and try to understand their epistemology first.Actually, read on epistemology first.
@anylolone I already have made my research. That's why I say what I say.
My thoughts are much the same on him. I have more hope in women than he does but for the large part he gets it right in my opinion.
One of the fundamental things I disagree with him on is when he says that guys in their 20's and even 30's should forget women and focus on their careers as they stand no chance. And that once you're in your 40's you can get any woman you want. I sure hope by the time I'm 40 I can get any woman I want but then how much sex drive will I have? Plus 40 is 16 years away for me personally and I refuse to spend the next 16 years not having any success with women. Plus if you don't learn how to deal with women in your 20's how do you expect to do it in your 40's? It's a skill and it needs practice.
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