Seeing as I'm pushing 40, I think I have low T, or some other condition. My drive right now is almost always really low. Except for very brief onsets, where it spikes. Those happen maybe once or twice a week. Rest of the week? Almost zero interest.
That there are very few women my age where I live that I truly connect with at any level is a further de-motivator. I've, at the gas station, waited on maybe one customer this entire month that totally got what I was talking about, and I was able to really click with her. But then I never saw her again.
A lot of the other gals around my age that come through there? Total degenerates. Wouldn't trust them with much of anything. And no point discussing my interests with them; I can already tell that they don't care. It doesn't involve sex, drugs, tobacco, food, drink, or alcohol, they don't care. They're basically lizards.
Not surprisingly, there's a massive prison a few miles away. Which contains and churns out lots of lizard-folk. COs are constantly shopping at the store I'm at; so there must be lots of business at the prison. Staff is always thirsty, and doesn't seem to trust too many other locations to buy their crap at. Probably a story behind that, and I'd rather not know.
I don't even know if I should be concerned or not. Yeah, it feels like there's something wrong; but I'm also getting a lot done.
About 20 years ago, faced with similar tasks, all that extra drive became a distraction. And I gave off so much pheromone back then, everyone could tell I wanted sex, even when I avoided discussing it. If I showed interest in a gal for literally anything, including collaboration on a project, she would just assume I was hitting on her, and would immediately blow me off while being as mean a bitch as possible.
Worse: no matter how much unnecessary abuse I got, I was always blamed for it, because "you're a straight white dude, so of course it must be your fault, *somehow*!" Victim-blaming at its finest!
If I merely protested and advocated to be treated with respect; I was instead berated by authority figures as though I were some sort of rapist or pervert. I was like: "What the hell? I said nothing about her sleeping with me; I just asked that she not treat me like shit for no reason!"
But somehow, they expected me to either be a cuck with no self-respect and take the abuse, or else I was literally the sort that would put on a hockey mask and jump out of her bushes one day. It was total bull. And if I called those figures out for using a false dichotomy, I only faced more threats!
Now, I live in a different state. Women don't play that game with me anymore. Where I live, they seem flattered I even care enough to talk to them, as opposed to going out of their way to frame me for "harassment," so they can get virtue signal brownie points from their peers by appearing as a "victim." Apparently, Michigan is psychotic.
However, finding someone I can connect with is the first step to even wanting to get back in "the game." The second, is to find the resolve I need to feel like the past abuse, and my abusers, no longer matter; so I can let go of nearly two decades of bitterness.
I've been told I have a chip on my shoulder the size of Texas. An iceberg that big, doesn't melt overnight.
This is a sensitive topic that has a lot to do with hypergamy, social media and female expectations and nature.
Many women in Western cultures are not as feminine or as attractive as women in the past. Take for example, obesity it is at a record high in American countries with women out edging men.
We then go onto social media aspect and female hypergamy. Thanks to social media, many women get compliments/likes from 100's of desperate males online. In addition, attractive men are willing to lie to women if it means they can get her to bed easy. This in turn creates a warp view in a woman's mind on what type of men she can actual get for relationship. So women who are 5/10 think they can snag a man who is a 7/10 for LTR. Women who are 7/10 think they deserve a 8-9/10 male. Women who are 8-9/10 think they deserve to be with a rich, successful guy.
So many of these women tend to treat the average male poorly until they hit the wall and then need them to start a family. For example look at male vs female approach below, where many women were seriously rude to the man just for talking to them.
One woman even started off the conversation by telling him to "Fuck off".
Other things that is also causing men to run away from women are the high prevalence of attention whores in female population who will play with men's emotion and waste their time.
These women will use you as texting buddies, only engage communicate when they want something and sting you along into thinking that they like you. Many of them also get their kicks by ghosting and cancelling last minute on dates or even giving men the wrong number. Some of these girls also go on OLD just to attract men to join their insta or onlyfans accounts.
So in between the rude attitude, ghosting, hypergamy, shit test, fickleness of female nature and realizing that many of these girls want you to pay to play, a lot of guys are realizing the juice is not worth the squeeze.
"In addition, attractive men are willing to lie to women if it means they can get her to bed easy. This in turn creates a warp view in a woman's mind on what type of men she can actual get for relationship. So women who are 5/10 think they can snag a man who is a 7/10 for LTR. Women who are 7/10 think they deserve a 8-9/10 male."
This is a VERY significant fact that a lot of women simply do not understand.
Eh… I feel the biggest issue, from what I’ve experienced is that the younger generation of guys just don’t pursue women because 1. All the sexual harassment accusations, 2. Some guys have been with some batshit crazy women and been burned so bad they don’t want to go through that again, 3. Men will sext and do everything online since it’s all available…
Younger guys are just walking away from women.
Don’t think men are losing interest in sex. They’re losing interest in relationships. Dating isn’t dead but it’s so incredibly hard to find a genuine guy with good intentions.
Not our fault they keep picking the crazy ones though…
Well you are right about a few things. But it's not their fault either that they pick crazy women. People in general are very deceptive. And psychopaths are very intelligent with superficial charm and have cunning ways of hiding their intentions. It's like those batshit women have a sign on them that says "batshot crazy" you can't just read someone's mind. You have to pay attention to how they treat others or ask other people about them before you pick them.
Its because every woman is essentially bat shit crazy. For example do you expect a man to marry you? Are you a virgin? If you said yes to the first and no to the second you must be an absolutely flawless beauty or batshit crazy
@garykingg wut
@SaartjieJane You make some good point, however like most women you refuse to take accountability. I think the #2 part is 100% womens fault. Reality is most women are bat shit crazy partly because women handle relationships by committee. So even if the main women isn't crazy, she's still taking advice from a group of batshit crazy women. in my opinion the reason why guys dont want relationships is because there's litlle value in it. Why would a successful man that can attract women want to limit himself to 1?
@Vegasrunner this. Especially if that 1 comes sub par as 99% of women do.
Modern feminism is telling women that they are “free and strong” to indulge any selfish snd débase impulse they feel (including cheating). This disgusting conceit is turning lots of guys off.
However porn is another issue. It’s screwing up lots of men and women with unrealistic sexual expectations.
@bamesjond0069 True but I don't think thats the biggest factor aa much as the fact that guys adapt to how women react. Women have been very vocal about saying they want all these qualities in a man so if I get a women that I want that only leads me to believe that I must have all these qualities and if I have all these qualities then I can probably get other women so why would I limit myself w/ 1. Woman want to hear that that 1 is special and blah, blah, blah and they can't handle the fact that as men we dont think they're that special outside of their sexual access.
@Vegasrunner guys use logic and usually take what women “say” they want for face value. There is really no other undertaking in this world (works, sports, even politics) that doesn’t shit test men the way women do when it comes to what they really want.
The best analogy is trying to get a cat to like you. I bet if cats could talk they would tell their owners they “like” being pursued. But they don’t.
@globetrotter22 Thats a mistake. You should never take what a woman says at face value because a women will tell you how she feels in that moment and that feeling can chage instantly. I agree I use the woman are like cats anology as well, which is why you have to be willing to let them roam and wait until they need your attention. in my opinion most women do t like being pursued, they lile being pursued by theen they want, and a lot of women are struggling to figure out why they can't get those men to pursue or keep them once they have them.
Perfection. Just like how women need to be accountable for picking a shit-tier guy instead of blaming men as a whole, guys need to pick women better and not just assume we're all crazy.
You guys are kinda still trying to figure out women in general but as any human women do not all think a like.
If you keep going after the wrong kinda girl then it makes sense why you feel this way towards women.
If you do not mind answering this personal question, What were your mother's like?
@Vegasrunner @globetrotter22
@SkyCastle90 all women are crazy. I said above. You want an awesome hot successful sexy desirable intelligent man... then you come expecting to be a wife 10 dudes deep with a kid and 10 extra lbs wanting a man that can fuck a hundred plus women over the next year or two if he really tries and think he's going to commit. Thats a fucking crazy insano whack job of a woman. I see this all the time. Whack job women come at me wanting marriage. Are you a virgin? No fuck off. Are you model hot and 18 or 19 or 20? No? Fuck off. Anything else better be out looking for a sub par man who is not so desirable or give up on marriage and show me you're on point every fucking day or risk being tossed to the curb.
@Vegasrunner well sure. I've only ever really met hos so i react to hos. I act like a fuck boy to hos because im dealing with hos. Its that simple. The day i meet a non ho real woman with some value ill treat her vastly different. I just react to whats in front of me.
@Vegasrunner but I want to make it clear there are decent women out there. But the problem is that women tend to be more “culturally impressionable” then men so they are getting brainwashed with a lot of far left radical feminist bs. They need to realize that the benefits of modern feminism is very short lived. Most of these types are miserable when they get older.
I just wish more “former feminists” could speak out against this crap. Even Candace Owens is former feminist (that doesn’t mean I always agree with everything she says nowadays). But we need more women like her speaking up.
@bamesjond0069 well take me for instance, I’m 21, only dated once, a virgin. I’m sensitive, emotional, incredibly selfless, loving, forgiving, etc. Ever since I can remember I’ve wanted to be a wife and have kids and I’ve always been one to want to wait. I for some reason just get all you guys who have been hurt before and I get guys just wanting to use me. Like I was with a guy for two years and he treated me like utter shit. Got mentally abused for two years and I was absolutely nothing but loving to him. He turned around and said we were never a thing and just friends! With my guy friends, I’m always telling them when I think a girl is not it and I tell them why, they don’t listen and it’s clear as day (to me at least after my own experience) and two weeks later the girl turned out to be shit, no surprise there though!
You men really do know how to pick women though… the batshit crazy ones too.
@bamesjond0069
Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose though of finding a Valuable woman?
Shouldn't you reflect what you want in some points and values, especially sex and relationships?
Value women do not want to be with a fuckboy and do not entertain that idea because they want something just as real as themselves.
Someone who is imperfect but has values and morals. Someone who is respectful and treats others with respect because he himself is valuable. If you do not project that last one, a valuable woman would not be interested.
Which is why they do not go for a fuckboy.
I haven't met a virgin that also had her ducks in a row ever in my entire life and hardly even a virgin in general in years! And i have business at a local community college and am part of the community of two different churches. Id be thrilled if i had marriagable women to date. But i dont so im stuck with what i have which is unsuitable hos. I have a girlfriend who was a virgin but we just aren't a great match in some other ways unfortunately so were not going to get married but ofc ill hang on to her as long as she behaves and adds to my life.
As you said, you're 21. Hardly any 21 year old men want anything other than sex, let alone have the knowledge or resources to provide anything else. If you're looking for marriage, look for people 5-8 years older.
@bamesjond0069 so they must be perfect? Yes I get people don’t want to be with someone who is mucking around in life but some people, younger people, often don’t know what they want to do and it can take years to know and then who says you won’t change your mind down the line?
Personally I stuck to wanting to do one thing and have but recently made a change in my life about my career.
If a man wants a virgin to marry then he should be a virgin too. If a man wants a woman who “has her ducks in a row” he must have that too.
Personally I’m happy to take a man as he is, just want him to be soft spoken, kind, selfless, have goals and hard working, respectful… literally the basics. Hard to find that nowadays when men all just want to fuck especially knowing you’re a virgin.
@bamesjond0069
I get what you're saying but being a virgin does not mean your valuable as a woman. Being a virgin just means your inexperienced in sex and a lot of the time also inexperienced in relationships.
@SaartjieJane
Seems to be an emotionally experienced virgin, which means she knows not to give herself away until she knows she has found the right guy.
That is the kinda girl you want to shoot for virgin or not.
I knew plenty of virgins who just give it away because they are inexperienced.
I was almost one myself but learned to be smarter and listen to my body.
When I found my husband he was not perfect and I didn't expect him to be, surprisingly he was a virgin too.
If your not fit for a girl why stay instead of working on yourself?
@SaartjieJane "so they must be perfect?" Essentially yes. I mean think of what the girl who wants to lock me down is competing against. I have a girlfriend who was a virgin and 16 years younger. I have a friends with benefits who is almost that much younger. I also just got a tinder match last night and hit it. My girlfriend cooks amazing and keeps my house clean and is obedient. So what one girl can offer me something better than my current situation? Yes she has to be perfect basically. Or she should go for shittier lame dudes girls dont like so much.
You do not sound like a guy a girl would want to take home to meet the family, or at least not to me. It’s men like you I stay far away from. Imagine bragging about getting with people or having women want you😭🤚🏼 not something to brag about.
Well as i said I've given up. I never meet any girls even close. Nobody i know has ever met any girls even close. I dont think they realistically exist. Parents dont teach their daughters how to be marriagable and thus basically none are.
Buying?
Men are window shopping and if you can not afford it, then you will never get it.
Money is also not a contender to Real women, the cost value is dependent on your value.
Your looking for a girl who is submissive and dependent. There is plenty out there, and yes many are virgins.
At some point these girls will grow up, but luckily for you that seems to come slower these days.
@JustAnj "I get what you're saying but being a virgin does not mean your valuable as a woman." Well its like step one. If you aren't a virgin there isn't one thing you could do to differentiate yourself from the pack of other women out there. Name one thing a woman could give me that nobody else has to give me? Nothing. Just virginity. Marriage makes no sense for a desirable man if the girl doesn't bring virginity to the table.
@SaartjieJane "You do not sound like a guy a girl would want to take home to meet the family, or at least not to me." And maybe it seems that way but im actually ultra family oriented traditional and conservative with my values. I've had parents scream at daughters who werent sure about if they should date me saying "how dare you not give this man a chance" lol.
@bamesjond0069
What does not make sense to me is why you would be with one that gives away thier virginity to you if you want her to be a virgin and are waiting for the right girl.
Doesn't that kinda mean the girl was not valuable at all for making sure you two were right for each other first.
This is why some people wait until marriage.
It honestly sounds really mixed up to me.
And have you found a girl that challenges you to be better, make you think, does not quit on you, or actually cares about you?
@bamesjond0069 not to be that guy. But I'm highly experienced and I don't value a virgin girl very high. Not that I wouldn't take her or that she's not a win.
But if the only difference between her and another girl is that she's a virgin and the other girl has been with 3-5 guys in her life. To me there's virtually no difference
I don't look at virginity like that. Every man has his line of how much it matters. Guys en mass in my opinion, if they are experienced don't actually care of a girl is a virgin.
They would like it, but it's not the goal for most. They just don't want a girl who has slept around "too much" and that varies guy to guy.
Yes, one is enough to be too much for some guys, but I don't think that's most. Not if we're talking about guys who are actually experienced
Look at this BamesJond guy. He has a girlfriend (who gave him her virginity) and yet he's keeping this other girl as a friends with benefits, and he's also on Tinder doing ONS's on the side! SMH!!
And you talk about being involved in 2 churches...
No wonder no one takes you seriously, dude.
Come on, man. You're a trainwreck.
"family oriented and conservative" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@JustAnj "This is why some people wait until marriage." Never met one who didn't also have some other serious undatable flaw.
"It honestly sounds really mixed up to me." Sure but as a man i have no power im making girls wait till marriage. I only get whats available.
"And have you found a girl that challenges you to be better, make you think, does not quit on you, or actually cares about you?" Sure. Multiple. As i said above, wheres even one that stands out from the crowd?
"And you talk about being involved in 2 churches..." maybe you never read the Bible but multiple wives the importance of virgin wives and concept of concubinage are all biblical practices with even Jesus directly giving evidence for. But like most Christians you probably never read it short of what blurbs a pastor puts on the screen Sunday. And if you did just glossed over it like a zombie.
@bamesjond0069
If that were true you'd be married, not to be mean but a woman like that has not entered your life.
Also I am a woman of God but do not need to preach it, you should know very well what the Bible says if you are a man of God yourself. This has no context for what you are doing would be considered an abomination.
@JustAnj if what were true?
And having multiple women is not an abomination. Both the OT and NT give proof its allowed.
And like i said a woman must be a virgin, attractive and have the skills and demeanor of a wife to be a suitable wife. I've never met one nor has any man i know met one nor has really an married man i know met one yet they marries sub par women and many regret it.
@bamesjond0069
Have you made these women your wives?
@bsmesjond0069
The women you speak of are more than likely married.
The women out in the world are still growing and learning to be valuable.
The women you hold onto are staying by you and not honored with love and respect because they see no value in themselves.
Better who you are. You can do better then you are.
I only hope you can see that one day. ♥️
@bamesjond0069 you sound like andrew tate
No, its because men want the prize without the work. Younger generations of men are used to instant gratification and the art of courting, valuing a woman to have as a partner, and not just as a hole for a dick plug, is long gone...
@RandomGuy1030 no idea who that is. I just talk from my own experience.
@bamesjond0069 You are such a catch aren't you?
@Friendlybro79 clearly since i can trip and fall into hot girls pants faster than most guys can even get a phone number. And when i have a relationship im treated very well dont have all these problems men talk about. So i must be.
@bamesjond0069 good for you
I don't know but men are not at fault and the women are not fault. Both of their attitudes and actions are the product of our culture and the laws they have no control over and may not agree with.
How is this 13 year old girl making more sense than grown ups twice her age?
Because she’s here to learn and think for herself while these other fools are here to troll and act a fool.
She’s being homeschooled and is avoiding all the feminist indoctrination bs.
But honestly I’ve noticed that other teen girls (ages 16 to 19) often have better attitudes and insights then women twice their age on here. Something happens to women when they get in their 20s. It’s combination of hardcore feminist bs in college, holding grudges about having a few bad experiences in dating (happens to everyone) and last but not least realizing the power of their sexuality and abusing it.
Any combination of the two above leads to crap none of us can stand nowadays.
People rely too much on too much. Society to tell them how to behave, government to tell them their rights, police to keep them safe, gag to tell them what it means when said person acts this way… they lack the ability to think for themselves and consider the consequences of their choices. We can’t foresee every possibility but it don’t take a genius to understand what happens when women become less feminine. When men become less masculine. Have you ever considered what rights are? Rights are the people or organizations in power telling you you can do something… it’s permission. Allowance. What about choices we’re not punished for or we’re allowed to make? There’s still consequences. So you wanna be “equal”? Well equal means equal… it means your shoveling shit and in the trenches during war. You can’t do that or don’t want to? Then we’re not equal. People like pretty words like equality but we’re not equal. Im not Michael fucking Jordan. And some girl on the street isn’t Sandra Bullock… only female actor I can think of lol.
I think we need to teach people HOW to think rather then what to think.
@VanillaSalt I certainly agree with that.
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No, men still want sex. What's happening is that a lot of today’s generation of men, in the U. S. anyway, are getting in their feelings about all the hoes they know or have had experience with, so feel discouraged and turn to MGTOW and RedPill, vowing to not date or pursue women anymore. But none of this is the answer either.
I too have been hurt and disappointed by women from time to time in my own past, but I'm not out here talking about how women aren't worth it and spouting all that sad "hoes ain't loyal" talk you see from these sad pages on social media. I just became wiser and started paying more attention to what women are doing, and I also handle them face to face about their bullshit or inconsistency. If more men would do this with women, women would start realizing they have to change and show men more respect.
You don't have to be a sad, emo, MGTOWer or RedPiller in your life. There are ways to handle bad women, and there are still good women out there too.
When all there is is hos best to be the pimp
@bamesjond0069 Ha ha.
"Getting in their feelings?" Lol
You don't think maybe the divorce & child custody data has something to do with it? The Duluth Model, et cetera?
I’m not American but I can partially confirm that trend, since I’m general there’s less impulse in dating than before. I also speak for myself, I lost all interest in dating now, since I’m fed up by all rejection and disinterest, there’s no way the phrase “one day you’ll find the right one” is becoming true since as the time passes, it seems harder to find a single person that accepts you as you are. Also the most spoken sentence “be yourself and the other one will love you for what you are” is probably one of the biggest lies, since guys that are appreciated by the most seem to be made by copy-pasting: same attitude, same way of thinking, same rudeness and same arrogance.
So I gave up on dating, since it’s better to be single and alone than to suffer and to harm myself, there’s a lot of things to do alone or with friends and dating or sexual life isn’t everything.
I’m not a fan of red pill, I think they’re dangerous and misogynist and have a distorted vision of reality but I think honestly there are some things they say that are true.
Dutch guy here!
It is not that men become disinterested in sex/dating. It is that men are becoming AWARE and tired of jumping through hoops to get it within a society (and from women) who do not give a rat's ass about them.
The red pill is manifesting itself outside of American culture as well. And for good reason. It is a response to the deregulated sexual market we are dealing with here in the west. The red pill is a response to (modern) feminism which is hell-bent on targeting men and devalueing them. This is why especially feminists are defaming the red pill.
The only reason why the red pill is spreading RAPIDLY is because men can confine in it. It stands up for men and teaches them how to navigate through life including how to date. My success in dating I can thank the red pill for. It sheds lights on topics that men were indoctrinated since childhood to believe in. Like being the white knight nice guy eventually winning the heart of a girl by just being nice. When in reality, these same goes always get confused and ask themselves why men who aren't nice tend to be more successful. The red pill teaches what is attracted to women.
There are two types of "red pilled" men. The ones who distance themselves completely as they saw the truth and decided for themselves that it is all not worth it. And the ones (like myself) who actually make use of the knowledge in real life (taking action) and become successful.
There are many reasons why it seems this way. Big picture: Our managerial elites want it this way. They are intentionally creating a low-trust society without real community, with virtual experience substituting for real life interactions. They desire atomized, isolated individuals who consume, are mobile, and do not form families and communities who will compete with the state. This doesn’t end until the current oligarchy is cleared out. Details:
Average testosterone levels in young American men are abnormally low. It is not all men, but our heavily medicated and processed food dependent society is feeding a diet to men that is full of xenoestrogens and soy. Basically might as well lace their water with birth control pills.
There is growing cynicism among men due to radical feminism and divorce laws that are stacked against men.
The economy is deteriorating for men at a much more severe rate than it is for women, so fewer men are able to support a family.
Monogamy is no longer a universally held value especially among young people. This results in a reversion to the most attractive men playing a field of promiscuous women. At some point, many men give up out of frustration.
I was gonna write a comment similar to yours, detailing all of the very real, data-based reasons why male engagement with women is decreasing. But I have concluded that it would only fall on deaf ears.
The truth is, nobody gives a fuck about our social, sexual, or demographic dysfunction. And nobody will give a fuck about it until the power grid starts failing and people can't get enough food. There is no collective awareness of any of these very complex social problems, let alone a collective will to solve them.
War is God's Filter for Unfit Programming.
@OldWorldOrder I’ve given a similar answer to similar questions several times now. I think some people actually listen. If it helps just one person think twice about eating the kibble, being a rootless nomad, wasting their 20s on Tinder,, and getting on the hamster wheel for the elite, then mission accomplished. Anyway, we might not have to wait long for power and food shortages. Uncle Joe has said both will happen this year. Who knows? Maybe they’ll manage to kick the can down the road again. But the supply chain was incredibly complex, designed by incredibly competent people who have been replaced by affirmative action hires, the USG is doing its best to interfere, and it seems they’re having trouble making it run again.
This is where the women need to listen, and learn.
No, sex is no longer a hot commodity, and I aswell as others, make efforts to remind men not to chase it when temptation is in the air. With things like porn on demand, and OF where you can buy access to a digital prostitute for 5 bucks, and an endless stream of self objectification on social media, music and popculture women have ran that well dry. When I meet someone new, I take extra attention to learn about them and what they can offer in a relationship. It rarely comes down to anything other than the hole in their legs first and foremost, and cooking as a distant 2nd.
Women the past decade or so have failed to show men theyre anything but sexual objects. Studys have already shown that about 30% of young men under 30 are virgins. Women under 30 are only reported at 8%. (Source: WaPo). Considering how women control access to sex, not men, its very obvious that the women are having more sex with less guys and are becoming Eskimo Sisters. While the majority of men are passed over for the guy that gives them butterflies, but isn't relationship material.
For anyone wondering, save your "who hurt you" esque comments. Im on the winning end of this divide, but that doesn't mean i don't see it as fucked up for feel for my fellow bro.
Now, most women would say something along the lines of "the men need to be better", and while that may have some truth (ie, stop jerking off to porn and hit the gym, you nerd) its a deflection of personal responsibility. The deck is currently stacked against men for relationships, and for a woman to just say that the men need to better is incredibly vapid and lacking in self awareness.
That said, that doesn't mean I or men don't like sex, but in the vast majority of cases where if you sell yourself as a hole, you'll ne used as a hole and then discard when bored. If you dont want to be more than a milk receptacle, thats on you, not men.
All excellent points, but the ultimate purpose of sex is procreation, and the social demand for procreation has fallen drastically in the past couple decades. Women don't want kids, and even when they do, men can't trust them to allow him to properly father the kid (s).
The entire foundation of inter-sexual relations in the modern world is broken.
Men aren’t losing interest in sex so much as we are no longer tolerating feminists or woke bullshit. Over the last 10 years we have watched as liberals have weaponized fear against men to mobilize women to make false claims and vote in ways that help nobody. They have convinced women that complete statistical anomalies are normal and should be their main priority rather than meeting a man and having kids. They were then mobilized with the “me too” movement that blatantly told everyone that we have to always believe women. This backfired harder than any liberal could have ever imagined. It created movements like men going their own way and a ton of dudes just stopped giving women even the most meaningless time of day. Men won’t be in a room alone with a woman at work anymore and many men have learned to assume that whether actively or pathologically, virtually all women are liars when it comes to me too allegations. It has become relative commonplace for men to realize that women are collectivists and are only as good as their worst friends and the more the average man sees the average woman acting badly the more he realizes there is no benefit to dealing with these never never land girls. They’re never going to grow up, and when they do it will be way too late and we aren’t going to be around to pick them up after their fun is over.
Women, specifically in the millennial and gen z, generations are a lost cause. If you’re lucky enough to get a good one just realize that she’ll probably be corrupted too.
I feel like both men and women are kinda losing reality based off of the minority of people. But then again guys who feel like this could also be the minority.
I see plenty of marriages still going nicely though. So begs to question where are the majority. Most probably do not care about all this online stuff.
I do because I am here to observe why others are having difficulty finding a partners.
I know a lot of single people as much as married.
Also not all women lie. I am prime example of that but I am also taken so. 🤷
@JustAnj when we talk about women in a general context, we are almost always talking about single women when we refer to what is wrong with women. Taken women are on the right path; single women are working to ruin the chances of everyone around them out of spite. If you are in a relationship you should distance yourself from your single friends.
@DeltaCharlieEcho
I see, I am Married.
Me and my husband do wish we knew more married folk around our age. We got married when I was 23 him 24.
What have you seen happen in your own life that make you feel single women are out to destroy others?
Biologically healthy men will never lose interest in sex. It’s hard wired into us to want to reproduce (even if we don’t realize it). And that is a GOOD thing when it’s controlled appropriately.
But men are pragmatic. We are risk takers but we will shy away from taking gambled if the downsides keep outweighing the upsides.
Take for example who has never (or maybe once or twice) been insulted or publicly humiliated for approaching a woman. This doesn’t mean he always got what he wanted. But let’s say he’s attractive and/or charming enough to put women at ease. He also did it in a time era (10+ years ago) where he didn’t worry about metoo repercussions. This guy would likely approach any woman he liked upon first seeing her. Chances are he would get her number and mostly likely a date. The woman might of been a complete liberal but she would politely chat with him. When it came to game time he would make a move. Some women would accept but others would reject. When they did reject he was chill about it. He was interested but not pushy. That guy was me 10 years ago.
Take me nowadays. Yes I’m older and i know i do not look as good as I did at 30. But I haven't fallen off a cliff. I still got all my hair and I’m in excellent shape. I also have gotten better at picking up on s woman’s body language. I’m not perfect but got better radar. However I have had some of the worst dating experiences of my life in the last 5 years. Nowadays I have to be extremely careful and it sucks.
@JustAnj well I actually have a date planned on Thursday (it’s been months) so I rather keep optimistic. Dredging up those past experiences isn’t going to put me in a good state of mind.
However I will say this. A woman over 30 should f’ing know better than to confidently shove a man into the friéndzone.
It’s one thing when naive and immature young girls (late teens and early 20s) do that crap. But grown women should know better. I didn’t let them get away with it but the fact they even attempted that bs was both very insulting and depressing.
@JustAnj thanks :)
Usually 99.9% of the time these are the comments I get on GAG
- she’s not into you
- you lack confidence and you suck
- men are all awful and scum
- you’re wrong
- women and girls don’t want to be approached
- females mindset (we will pinpoint every guy as terrible because of our past experience with 1 or 2 guys we dated)
sooo if this what I’m used to reading for the past few years on GAG. People’s stupid/negative comments made me believe I was worthless, I was wrong and women and girls never ever ever ever ever want to be approached. I realized fuck what people say online. I take the responses of others on this site with a grain of salt. I said F-it to online dating and have a pair of balls and talk to girls in person, win or lose at least I can say I tried, rather then being some keyboard warrior online trying to be have my feelings validated by strangers behind a screen.
I’m not creepy, I know how to give people space, I don’t drink, I don’t do drugs, I’m in grad school pursuing my masters, I’m saving for my own place, I’m healthy, I’m trying to build my faith, im decent looking, I want to be positive, caring, passionate and etc. what’s the issue? Then it dawned on me, what right does anyone have online such as GAG for people to judge you when they don’t truly know you? I’ll leave it at that.
Going to get really personal
I can only speak from my own experience and it’s not been good lately but I’m just tired of doing all the work taking responsibility for the romance foreplay etc. and it not getting Reciprocated. We still have sex but it horrible.
A lazy lover is a lazy lover. So know I give what I receive and it’s not going well.
I got a impromptu group for self and life improvement going on mostly veterans I’m finding I’m not the only one. It’s happening at all stages of dating and relationships/ marriage.
Women acting entitled is a real thing and driving men to opt out of any tangible relationships. Even men like myself in long term relationships/marriage. I’m not willing to put in anymore effort because in the end I still don’t get my needs meet.
This is bad on so many levels and worst yet when a real women that knows how to put effort into a relationship comes along good men have already been ruined. Or have no Idea how to handle it and ruin the hole relationship.
We have been together for 18 years and yes it has always existed at some degree.
We have had discussions about this But like I said it’s not just me.
Men want to be romanced intellectually and physically it’s just different than what a woman thinks of romance, it’s really different for everyone.
Sex is very important some say just be submissive
I’d say just be more interactive.
Long walks trail runs snorkeling, over night bike rides
Cooking together over a open fire or in the kitchen
stormy nights in a hammock
Not that much out of this world
Just do something
Shit I’d be happy coming home to a steak dinner
You want to but courted in a physical way, totally makes sense.
She wants the emotional connection and your emotional connection is through physical experience which amps you up to sexual desire towards your partner.
Has this been difficult for her to be apart of due to prioritizing other things like a job, kids, or is she just 100% uninterested in doing these things with you?
Yes that’s kinda what I mean by reciprocation.
Also if it’s difficult Does it matter.
No kids jobs not stressful, money is good
She 💯 not interested.
The reason I ask is because women in general have certain stressors and kids can make things very difficult if you have many but also can cause mother to develop depression. This is not your situation.
I going to guess she has expressed to you why she doesn't want to or has said she would but has not fulfilled her side. I am also gonna guess you have expressed to her clearly what you want and how she could reciprocate.
If I am incorrect please correct me.
Have you considered going on your own adventures without her?
I know that sucks but it may help ease some of your own feelings about this and since she seems reluctant you both could provide yourselves your own adventures separately to feel some fulfillment in your life.
If there are things you both enjoy doing together after these adventures you can do them together and avoid the feelings of bitterness. If there is certain things you both do that you appreciate and love intimately like holding her hand and small gestures let this bring you closer.
You have been together 18 years that's a long time and I assume it couldn't have always been so bad.
Why be there for a whole 18 if it was?
Is there anything she is willing to do?
You are correct. No kids no stressors to cause such none action.
And yes I do everything without her. Even vacations at this point.
Might be headed to South America for a bit Peru Chile Argentine this December. Unsure but have to finalize plans soon or I’ll need to put it off again Covid kinda got in the way for a bit. Not sure if you heard about the pandemic or not but was pretty intrusive to daily life for a couple of months.
It’s not been bad just not fulfilling as it should be.
In a way, men are becoming more cynical when it comes to dating women.
Red pill ideology is spreading on the internet, and although I don’t agree with all of it, there are some good points they have.
Basically, they point out that women are capable of being manipulative, shallow, and disloyal.
Which is true, but the same could be said of men. People in general, are capable of horrible things.
Red pill guys seem to want to generalize that to apply to all women, and then become wary of trusting women.
It’s a cynical view that I don’t agree with because I think there are still good women out there.
Good men and women in general are just hard to come by nowadays.
The problem is that we live in a society where a woman being manipulative, shallow or disloyal is protected by society while males are called out for those behavior traits.
For example, a woman who feigns interest in a male so she can use him for his resources, attention and services.
In terms of disloyal, where if a woman cheats we often make excuses for what drove her to cheating such as the man being "abusive".
In terms of shallow. Women often try to hide their shallowness and pretend they care about personality more.
Maybe the society/word we live is not very healthy on many levels, and it has an impact on the libido of men, and it probably also impact women too. Women are less likely to want to build a family and have kids. Everyone is more disconnected and live in their head and pursue money and ‘happiness’… major events affect us all also, depressing news, working from home etc. But wars for example result in an increase in sex drive and births afterward, like a general impulse for life once a disaster is over
The sexual marketplace has been completely deregulated meaning any woman is free to have sex with any man. Now that sounds good on paper for all parties involved but what it means is that most women are after only the top 10 % of men. This has been facilitated via social media and dating apps.
The losers here are most men who are losing out on a game where the rules are stacked against them. Now what MGTOW and RedPill content is doing is making these men realize how they're getting exploited and what they can do to protect their own interests.
So they're not really disinterested in sex but they are focusing their energy elsewhere or soliciting the help of professionals to meet their sexual needs.
Yup and the men who do get the women have zero need to commit to any since they line up for them. I literally have a girlfriend 16 years younger, a friends with benefits who is 12 years younger and also just fucked a rando from tinder last night and have a date with another new girl tonight. Girls will do anything for a night or a shot at a relationship with me. And im no simp im not marrying a damn any one of them. They behave they stay. Period.
A growing number of men don't get any sex, while a minority get a lot of sex. Nearly all women are having sex with a minority of guys; so, it only stands to reason that many men will begin checking out of this game entirely.
Couple this with the testosterone affect of a sedentary/ lonely life, and the interest in sex at all will decrease.
There was a time in my early life where I didn't get any attention, and it was frustrating- now I'm on the other side of the spectrum (I turn down sex on average 1-2 times a week, with different women), but I still can empathize with a guy (s) who seem like they don't have anything that women want.
First off western culture not American. It’s happening across the world.
Second… no I do t think their so much losing interest in it as they are losing interest in long term connections. To be fair is there a point to marriage? I mean women put out first date if you can get a date if you can’t then not your problem. You can easily have a kid if you have lots of unprotected sex specially with the abortion laws changing. With how women are today portrayed who needs a wife when you can have friends and family who can’t take you for everything you own?
The quality of men and women is dropping for sure. Wanting a relationship and being the best you can isn’t enough as a man anymore.
I don't think men are any less interested in sex, just being locked into a relationship. After my first marriage I felt the same way for a long time. That there is zero point to making any commitment, you're only setting yourself up to get knocked down, rather burn through the numbers strictly ONS and NSA, try to aim for more than one woman a week, you can't feel lonely if you're never alone and the scenery changes too swiftly to pay attention to.
It got old though, I looked for a relationship again, and found that women didn't want them, so I played the field for another year until I met my wife.
If it was just men who were rejecting relationships, that would mean men who want relationships would be snatched up like crab cakes in a famine. Women are rejecting them due to "infinite choice" as well.
Online dating is dead, meet people in different activities and get with them, your chances will be better.
Online dating is not dead. Its amazing for hookups. But the trick to relationships is to have a limiting profile. For example : my goal is to live on a sailboat by next year if you dont have a passport and can't tie knots you need not apply.
I dont think that men will never lose interest in sex, if anything it's becoming more scarce for many men. I would say that dating is dead. In general, amongst young people, there is a hookup culture (which there has always been one but not as active/open as it is now). When it comes to older men in their mid 20's and up, they realize that dating nowadays does not really benefit them and that they are at a disadvantage, so many of them are walking away. I've also heard that many people are starting to go overseas to meet women, I dont entirely agree with this but I dont disagree either.
If they are, they do not know what their choices are. Let the Karens of the world die alone cuddling their rabbit vibrators. They just want to destroy you, anyway. Young men: A billion East Asian and Latina girls are waiting for your call. Shut off your porn and grand theft auto and get to work recruiting a life long lover. I did and I feel like I am "cheating" fate every day. And guess what? I'm not. The Epicureans and Sarah Conner said "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves." I did. So get to work before your balls dry up.
What if we actually value our own people & heritage and want to produce more white people? Lol
The fuck kinda question is this? Men and women will never lose interest in sex. It is hard-wired in to us to reproduce. Not only that, humans are thirsty as hell. If you're asking if sex is no longer hard to come by, maybe. But I don't think that this is a new concept. Dating apps like Grindr and Tinder might make it easier to arrange casual hookups, but sex has always been available to those who go looking for it.
@Texaskid1 I think this is true for both women and men. It just depends how flexible their standards are.
@Texaskid1 I'm not so sure, maybe from what you've seen? But where I'm from I've seen men easily cop on to women and take them home with them, and vice versa. They just aren't too fussy about the looks side of things.
@Texaskid1
I agree with you that "free sex" is easier to come by for women. But if a man has money sex is readily available. There are lots of escort services online as well as Asian massage parlors.
@Beatrix7 I care not if you are offended.
I speak the truth. A woman will always have an easier time getting laid than a man. All a women has to do is look pretty and nothing else. A man on the other hand must demonstrate skill , resources , ambition, confidence , experience, be stoic , and demonstrate that he has some kind of future. A man is , biologically speaking , capable of impregnating hundred of women since we will produce billions of sperm cells in our life time. A man's window for having children lasts most of his life. A women's window is much shorter - she has to say no more often because every man around her is thinking of sex while she is thinking of children and how much time and energy will it cost to raise children. A man's prerogative is to spread his DNA to the greatest degree possible ; a woman's is to secure resources for her offspring. If a woman makes a call for sex she can have it in minutes. On the other hand a man can go years with out having sex because he lacks the resources or the charm needed to find a woman.
With some rare exceptions (such as for very rich and famous men : women are naturally attracted to wealth and power) it will always be harder for a man to get laid.
@WhereIsMyMind
Sex is always available for women. If sex was always available for men, then incels literally wouldn't be a thing. Most incels can't even get access to escorts where they live. Assuming men are only looking to bang 9s and 10s is such a female response, cause that's how women think. Texaskid speaks the truth.
It's all the masterbating to images and videos. Guys are basically hiding away in this anxiety bubble.
Plus internet also depletes face to face socializing that is important to create bonds with new people. And in general public social skills.
We are all kinda fading into a virtualized world. 😔
This is probably also causing depression in humans. We kinda exist to socialize even if it's at the minimum.
@grega239 Was the last time a public setting?
The reason I ask this is because most girls like to small talk and if they straight away like a guy they will laugh and flirt a little. You can tell by body language. A girl looks down smiles looks up, she stares intently and smiles while touching her hair or fidgets.
Also most women do not like to be asked out when they are out and about. They prefer to get to know you first. Best places to start convo are places a woman is enjoying herself and having fun.
Example: Concerts, Parties, hang outs, beach hang out, events, somewhere a woman frequents, mall.
These are a few examples.
Girls don't like getting randomly interrupted by strangers when they are focused or trying to relax. One of the biggest reasons why guys get turned down.
Online that's another battle field but it's easier to meet someone if your just trying to find friends or others to chat with.
Women want to blame porn because it’s and easy out but I’ve never heard women blame women. Men are attracted to women so what are women doing to dim their attractiveness. Femininity is fading out. Women are more concerned with trying to be men or do what a man can do than trying to be women.
@DrillBeats
It goes around in circles honestly, and technically I am blaming women too.
Most Porn is women and from what I read from a lot of men they don't actually like these women they simply use them for sexual arousal which if done enough can lower your libido cause it's real women just on a screen. It's unhealthy and will eventually cause ED or will cause you to lack in the sex department.
Men take that step towards porn so it goes both ways.
@DrillBeats
Also women are just as much starting to have porn issues themselves.
So really its a human issue.
@globetrotter22
Oh I completely agree, to me it seems like a lot of people in general come to the internet to vent or find a cause they can back into but kinda do it when they are already in a bad place.
This turns into making clubs of bitter folks and genders turning against each other.
It's no bueno.
Also women when they are in a bad place they project visually, hence the TikTok and IG, a lot of women forgot what it meant to respect themselves and thier future partner.
Though a lot of men themselves do not nurture the respectful woman either.
You can be free but know where that attention shifts, understand your value, and understand that full embrace is something you should want share with your partner not the world. The world has thier own intimate private lives to share too but it doesn't belong to us. It belongs to themselves and thier partner or ers.
People can be adults and talk about sex without being involved sexually with others.
People can share intimate pictures but it should not be the kind that should only be shared with your intimate partner. If you really want to take it stone age just be intimate with your partner and enjoy life without including any exterior objects like a sexual photo.
I think for girls too they feel if they do not put themselves out there no one will see thier beauty and love them.
I was reading through this thread and had to respond to these comments
"Also most women do not like to be asked out when they are out and about. They prefer to get to know you first" <---- how do they expect to get to know you if you don't ask them out?
"Best places to start convo are places a woman is enjoying herself and having fun.
Example: Concerts, Parties, hang outs, beach hang out, events, somewhere a woman frequents, mall." <---- these seem like places where a woman is "out and about".
"Girls don't like getting randomly interrupted by strangers when they are focused or trying to relax. One of the biggest reasons why guys get turned down." <----- this isn't really fair though, because a guy isn't in control of where he sees an attractive girl. Also, some of the places you mentioned above could very well be places where a woman goes to relax. It shouldn't really matter where a guy approaches because the where is out of his control. What should be more important is the how. I think woman's overall pickiness over guys approaching them is one of the reasons guys don't even want to try. It's too much of a minefield.
@JSmuve @Jamie05rhs
I understand, I was not being very clear.
When I mean out and about I mean she is busy and concentrated on what she has to do (Mentally). If it is somewhere she frequents and you have observed this then it's a higher chance of getting to know her and her being open.
Asking her out right away will deter her so the way to approach this is to start with small talk.
Example: If she is sitting down approach her politely and start small talk. Then ask her if "the seat was taken" or "If she would not mind you sitting there." Just talk to her like another person and she will warm up to you and get comfortable. You will know she is by her facial expressions and will be more relaxed, her body won't be stiff and raised.
It's really important you understand that just like yourself these women want to be respected and approached in a manner where you understand your in there personal space now. These women would be strangers.
The women who are your friends, well it would be best to approach this with feelings and not asking her out but leaving it on the table for her to choose. Why? Because it shows you are not forcing yourself onto her but allowing her room to decide if she would be interested making it less pressuring.
If you want more perspective think about a girl you do not like approaching you and how it makes you feel when she is persistently pushing herself to be with you. What could she have done better?
@JSmuve @Jamie05rhs
In the case of fairness about where you find a girl attractive, I guess you could try this. Attempt to make interaction and make it a short conversation, tell her you know she is busy and want to respect her valuable space and time but wanted to get to know her better and you wanted to reach out to her some time if that was okay with her.
She will give you an answer and either she will say sorry or will give you a way to contact her.
If you view it as picky your missing a valuable point that she is a person and a stranger. I know guys might be okay with girls going to them but those girls don't always have the best intentions and also some might not be women you are interested in and can become persistently annoying to you if she won't budge. Why? Because she is not respecting you as a person.
@JustAnj
"If you want more perspective think about a girl you do not like approaching you and how it makes you feel when she is persistently pushing herself to be with you. What could she have done better?"
There's nothing that she could have done better.
We don't reject chicks because of their approach tactics.
We either like her, or we don't.
It's that simple.
Thanks for the tips, though. Those were good.
@Jamie05rhs
No problem, trust me I wish it was simple but most girls either like it straight but wouldn't mind a simple human conversation to help her get to know your intentions or personality.
Or
Girls prefer knowing you first because she doesn't want to waste your or her time.
Overall it's better to play it safe, the weird part is all this was very common social skills in the past wanting to get a girl or not. I am unsure what happened that it became to direct and casual respectful conversation was not held high anymore.
Back then though people would be able to tell the difference by a man starting convo and then begin wooing a woman so she knew he was interested. Then players came and ruined the beautiful dance of woo.
I hope it helps!
@JustAnj when girls say they “like to get to know a guy first” they really mean “we need to test him first”. They are looking for reasons to reject him and it’s usually subconscious.
To a certain extent it’s understandable. But more often then not they reject for shallow and fickle reasons. Their rejection mechanism of choice is the friéndzone in these scenarios. So the guy just wasted all him time, energy and heart to have the worst possible outcome. He wasn’t just “looking for sex” but to date too. I do not think most women realize how deeply insulting that is.
On the flip side women do fall in love with guys who have sort of “emotional angle” on them and they over look the same flaws (and even red flags) they used to reject other guys who don’t have that leverage.
There is also the factor of a strong subconscious connection to others that are like our father and mother figures. Which would also add to a woman's interest and a mans leverage. This is the same for men though some men try to weed out these issues.
The thing that can be bad about this is if you did not learn proper mental tools to handle any unhealthy habits from growing up it can lead you to a unfit partner or one you may not have wanted. Also if a person does not work through thier childhood trauma they may be drawn to those unknowingly unhealthy traits.
I bring all this up because you mentioned the subconscious mind and leverage.
I can not say that women in general are testing men or simply trying to feel them out. But I am sure many have done these things even knowingly but do you really want to date someone like that anyways?
People in general are growing and learning and giving it a chance does not hurt if you luck out of dealing with bad incompatible dates anyway.
That's why looks aren't everything. 🤷
Men test too but we don’t do it out of reflex. Not to the extent women do. It’s only when we feel specifically wary or suspicious about something.
The bottom line is that positive or negative “feeling” women get can be misleading. It causes them to make a lot of bad choices. And it’s usually up to women to accept or reject the first date, first kiss, sex, etc.
Okay I understand, it is something people need to try and consider to be more open about but that just depends from person to person and how others learn to welcome others. New generations or dating influencers may be able to help with that for a chance at change.
That doesn't always have to be the case, what if a guy wanted to wait for all that too? Take it slow and really feel out a girl, give her a chance to try something different if she moves to fast.
@globetrotter22
Okay I understand, it is something people need to try and consider to be more open about but that just depends from person to person and how others learn to welcome others. New generations or dating influencers may be able to help with that for a chance at change.
That doesn't always have to be the case for guys with sex etc. What if a guy wanted to wait for all that too?
Take it slow and really feel out a girl, give her a chance to try something different if she moves to fast.
@JustAnj there are plenty of things guys can improve upon. However one major thing women need to improve upon is no straight guy is going to approach them, get their number and hang out “just to be friends”. He might be just curious or it could be a huge crush. Either way he is interested in dating.
It just amazes me (to an excruciating extent) just how many women still believe it’s okay to play dumb and friendzone in those scenarios because they like the attention. The bullshit needs to STOP. Really.
@globetrotter22
I feel like hugging all of you but I know that won't resolve the issue. Lol
So essentially you would prefer the chance being given and compatibility be determined after a date?
What if a girl just knows 💯 she does not feel it for a guy and knows she won't even if she got to know him?
@JustAnj your pic looks familiar. Your points similar to how I feel. That being said I don’t interact with women in person all that often. I work a lot so spending time out isn’t possible. I’m changing jobs now so that might change in the future but for now I’ve limited myself to dating apps for convenience. Well I did when I dated. The point is I can only speak on the app aspect of dating. As a guy it’s hard to get noticed. You make it seem so easy the way you speak but standing out in a sea of guys is quite difficult with women’s standards being what they are today.
A real question I wanna ask… Should men even care about commitment and marriage? I mean there’s an argument to be made for commitment but marriage seems one sided and risky. Even if you vet someone the odds of divorce being what they are is astounding. Why should men pursue women for anything but sex? It don’t seem worth it to expect more than a hookup.
Hello again @VanillaSalt ☺️ we meet again.
We have! The last convo we had was on the subject of MGTOW.
On the subject of Marriage it's honestly a couples choice. If you would want more control over the chance of divorce a prenup would be beneficial for both people to agree on so it is fair and done in a time when both people care about each other equally.
Well is there anything you feel is enjoyable other than sex that you could not have with someone you simply know?
Oh @JustAnj just one thing about when a woman feels 💯 percent about not liking the guy. In those situations this is what you say: “Hey so so. I just want you to know I respect you approaching me so out of respect I need to be honest. Truth is I’m really not interested. You didn’t do anything wrong but I felt like it’s only fair for you to know where I stand.”
While nobody likes rejection people especially men need to feel respected. However many women have a hard time understanding what is respect is vs. likeability. While they are seemingly related they are not the same thing.
However if a man feels like a woman respects him he will be able to accept rejection much more gracefully. Even the weirdos and hot heads will likely be able to handle the rejection better if they know woman is being respectful.
If you follow that approach you will eliminate the vast majority of bad reactions from guys. We actually desire to be respected even more then we desire sex/intimacy. This is a major issue that too many women drop the ball on.
No worries. 👍
Ew no. I can’t. Saying such sappy things makes me shiver. I don’t like posing for photos… I can’t stand embarrassing humor in movies… I can’t see myself wearing the crazy shit that men of the city consider fashion… stuff like that just seems… unnatural to me.
I can throw around personal information about myself with ease but saying sappy stuff like that embarrassed me to no end lol.
What can I say I’m a blue collar middle class worker. Not saying I’m poor I’ve been in the top 50 percentile for earners in the us for a while but that stuff seems a class above and odd to me. Then again I’m well aware I’m “emotional damage”… Steven He is hilarious.
@JustAnj
"the weird part is all this was very common social skills in the past wanting to get a girl or not. I am unsure what happened that it became [too] direct and casual respectful conversation was not held high anymore."
Interesting. I've never really considered social skills to be anything pertaining to romance. I just always thought that term was referring to how you treat other humans platonically.
And when people say "a social life," I always think of hanging out with friends. Not dating.
Also, casual conversation has generally been frowned upon for as long as I can remember. I was taught that you don't talk to strangers not only for safety reasons but also because people want to have their personal space and you shouldn't invade that. In other words, when you're in "public," we're all still private individuals on autonomous routes, and those paths shouldn't "cross."
"Back then though people would be able to tell the difference by a man starting convo and then begin wooing a woman so she knew he was interested. Then players came and ruined the beautiful dance of woo."
I totally agree with this. I think this is a very important point. You may even consider writing a MyTake about it sometime.
I firmly believe that knaves used to be the minority. I don't know when this changed. Maybe around 1915? Who knows.
@JustAnj
But I agree with what @globetrotter22 said directly after your message to me. I think he made a really important point.
Getting to know girls as friends first is a huge waste of time for us. If I wanted a friend, I could have just made friends with a dude. They're less maintenance and much more loyal. (No offense!)
(I'm not talking about you personally, by the way. You seem to be a wonderful individual.)
Oh- what @globetrotter22 said.
(The rejection speech.). That was really good.
I agree I would prefer that every risk taken is taken seriously. If a man takes the time to ask you out it seems giving him the chance to show who he is isn’t too much to ask. A single date is good enough. Not that this will happen. If a woman whom don’t like a man gives him a chance she’ll still harbor negative feelings and it will impact her decision.
Cruel truth is this. Always men have died alone. Their unable to garner affection from anyone and they leave nothing behind. In the past men and women were basically even in numbers so when one man didn’t marry that’s one woman that didn’t as well… today however it’s not just a man here and there it’s men everywhere and divorces and failed relationships… so many people will suffer and die alone. You think being forced to live with someone you don’t love is bad? Remember that school shooting a few weeks back here in Texas? Uvalde Texas shooting. One of the teachers that died trying to shield a child from the gunman… her husband just died. He was diagnosed with broken heart syndrome. He lost his reason to live.
Every time you reject the possibility of a man or woman you lose one opportunity to care for someone and be cared for this deeply. People arnt meant to be alone. It’s no wonder we’re such a broken, violent, and depressed people these days. Nobody’s worthy of anybody and everyone overvalued themselves to the point their going to die alone.
Men pretend to be okay with this but their not. Violence and suicides much higher in males due to this complete disconnection from everyone else.
As for women… it irritates me to hear a woman say I don’t want kids and never will. I don’t need a husband or family. Ok well when you do and you don’t have one what then? Your making decisions to go against your nature for selfish reasons bringing yourselves and society down with you. Part of living in a society is sacrificing for the good of everyone else and you selfish women that want all the comfort of society without making the necessary sacrifices… you don’t deserve the easy life, the rights, the safety that comes with a society that MEN built.
Unfortunately I don’t see a fix or a way only the guilty get punished for this. Humanity will of course survive even if just a few hundred million but society… your safety and lifestyle will disappear. How will you keep the power on with significantly less manpower? Plumbing. Housing. Protection. The ability to have running water in your homes is provided by the society we’re actively trying to tear down. The safety from complete anarchy and other governments taking you as slaves will disappear.
Having children is a woman’s DUTY. Protecting, building, and maintaining society’s a man’s DUTY. It’s selfish to refuse to perform this role. You risk damning everyone else for your own selfish desires.
I haven't had an interest in sex or really women since middleschool because of tremendous abuse I suffered from my father. I mentioned a crush I had and he beat the shit out of for months over it. He thought I was going around having sex. Even when I was home all day every day. I am in therapy because if I develop a crush or think about sex I start to get sick. Headaches, cramps, nausea, dizziness. I'm 27 later this year and haven't talked to a woman aside from a cashier or waitress for my normal business since middleschool. I don't even feel human when I see people dating and such because I don't understand how people can do that. My father pretty much ruined my life.
Women see sex as transactional and men who've dated and have self respect simply refuse to date wester women. Travel to any non westernized culture and find out what real femininity is like. Where it's popular for women to take care of herself and be hygienic and actually desire a loving relationship and family. They haven't been sold the bigoted lies of new wave feminism that says being a family woman and properly raising a family is somehow degrading. The best part of women is completely dead in America.
I think that "playing games" is dying. Seriously, the little games that men and women have always played in whatever generation you've lived is... getting old!
There is just SO much information on sex out there that only the ostriches with head in sand will want to go through the rituals. On the other hand, sex is always so much better when you are first very interested in your mate. Taking time to know who your sleeping with would be my preceding course of action.
I'm not sure, I'm seeing guys want women...
I hear testosterone is dropping, so that may be the case... for that is the reason for the drive...
That helps because global population after 8 billion... don't want it going to 16 or 32 billion or 128 billion humans. that be a mess. So less mating means less offspring. That said, some countries may be declining into oblivion, so that an issue as well.
More and more men see the entitlement, narcissism, childishness, and false victim nonsense in most women.
They are starting to see that marriage only benefits women.
They are starting to realize the complete lack of responsibility women have towards their choices and actions and that they have an false inflated sense of worth and zero respect for what men do to make their entitled asses safe and comfortable.
So we fuck them and chuck them, or say fuck’em and give up chasing pussy all together.
The “magic” of women has died.
Sex is a waste of time.
If you need partnership then just get a tight knit freind group. If you need to wet your willy use a toy. If you want to fall in love then too bad.
The political climate is killing love and romance. It's time we either work things out as a species or just peacefully die out due to a lack of reproduction.
Natures selection. A group of men don’t know how to communicate. They don’t want to learn, they’d rather demand. Which doesn’t work. So those ones aren’t getting as much or any. The strong lines who are looking at this question like “Losing interest in sex, wtf?” will survive. The rest will whine until they die rather than change.
How do you come up with a question that speaks to the VAST population of men based on a "sprinkling feeling"? At best, I observe this a some fragmented "Western" thing. As a world traveler, I can assure you that dating is alive and well in all the parts of the world I've been to. So now, dating is not dead or even close to it by my personal observation, but it sure is a lot stranger than it used to be 15 years ago when I was heavy into dating.
I dont approach women due to sexual harassment and it comes off as creepy to even look at a woman.
Online dating sites are full of women that just want money or pay to meet.
I have approached women and it leads to trouble and with my career I would lose my job even if its a negative post about me on social media so I just refrain.
I still want a woman but I dont hold out hope.
Lost interest in marriage and super serious relationships. Girls are useless for that stuff for the most part unless you grab em young and unfucked up.
Basically just pump and dump hos is the best you can hope for and keep a half decent girl in the home for as long as she lasts.
Good. Sex is really something you shouldn't be sharing with just anyone. Aside from pregnancy and STDS, due to the chemical changes your body goes through with it, you may become really attached to your partner to the point where you were indifferent about them to wanting to become long term partners, if you were just doing a one night stand anyway.
In younger men I'd say its that porn let's them scratch the itch with none of the risk. But in older men like me it's definitely observing women's behavior. For instance what happened to Johnny Depp seems extream but honestly thats pretty much standard issue marriage these days.
Porn is a symptom of the root cause for why men are losing interest with actual sex with women.
Male makes multiple attempts to get women to like him ---> Gets played with, used or rejected
Male channels his energy else where and uses porn to release sexual tension
Female then returns mid to late 30's expect male to commit to her after she has had her fun with other men.
That's a good summary of the whole process. Also fun how women get confused about it, like what do you mean men don't want me when I'm walled out and stalled out in my late 30's early 40's
Only for certain types of men, maybe. It doesn't seem like it's slowed a bit for Christian conservative men. Most of my male friends under that category have already found a good match and gotten married.
@LazerBean They got lucky.
Lol
You're only 22. Give it time. Virtually all of them will end up divorced.
@OldWorldOrder whether or not you end up right isn't relevant to the question considering the topic is dating.
@Jamie05rhs got lucky doing what?
@Exterminatore HIS sovereignty. Not ours.
God obviously intends for modern Western marriage to be an unsuccessful institution. Christians are failing at it at the same rate as everybody else.
Well then what does that say about Christianity? 😄
Maybe there are some things we can learn from Islam. 🤷♂️
@old
Are these real Christians you speak of? Those whom would be aware that a husband is bound to his wife so long as they both live, baring unrepentant adultery or spousal abandonment.
Christians do sometimes sin. I find it hard to believe 50% of true, born again Christian’s are getting divorced. No true Christian can live a lifestyle of sin. No Christian can sin comfortably. If they can they don’t belong to Christ.
I think you have people who claim to be Christian but are Christian in name only getting the majority of these divorces.
@Lazer
Then they aren’t Christians.
“Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,”
1 John 2:4 ESV
No real Christian can make a habit of fornicating. The Holy Spirit will not allow it. They will be compelled to repent, probably sooner than later because God’s spirit would abide in them.
@old
Showing up to church does not mean one is a Christian. Saying some sinners prayer does not mean one is a Christian. A changed heart and changed life are some of the hallmarks of being a Christian. I think these people you speak of are Christian I’m that they acknowledge Jesus is Lord, but deny him by their deeds…repeatedly…often…. without the slightest provoking of the conscience. These are not Christians. They are false converts. One cannot have Jesus as savior only. They must also have him as Lord and one obeys their Lord. Not perfectly, but certainly more often than not. No real Christian can live in sin and be comfortable.
@LazerBean It's extremely relevant. If a couple gets divorced, then their marriage didn't count. They've proven it a sham. They're a joke.
And I meant that they got lucky finding a spouse.
@OldWorldOrder
"God obviously intends for modern Western marriage to be an unsuccessful institution. Christians are failing at it at the same rate as everybody else."
No, he DOESN'T intend that. We're just f*cking it up; that's all.
@OldWorldOrder Christianity and Islam are both getting it wrong. Muslim men abuse their wives.
Stop talking about God like he matters… in the end IF he’s real he left us to our own will to go through life how we choose. IF he don’t then oh well. Either way he don’t matter in this argument. The rate of divorce amongst Christian’s IS very high considering the teachings of the Bible. With society corrupting even the religions were seeing worse people from all sides. Less dateable less impressive less willing or worthy of sacrifice.
@Jamie05rhs
God knows the future. Everything that happens is necessarily His Will.
@OldWorldOrder Are you a preacher or something?
Setting aside the atheism, @VanillaSalt is right.
"So you're saying they weren't looking for spouses, they just accidentally dated and accidentally got married?"
@LazerBean They wanted a spouse. But they didn't look very far. Most of those people met their spouse within their peer group. Not a very difficult search, in my opinion.
"That's only because most "Christians" have the same dating habits and sleep around as much as everyone else."
@LazerBean Not necessarily. Some of them don't sleep around. Some of them just grab the first person they come to and marry them. They're impulsive. They don't think things through.
True, they may not be sinning. But they still have the same intelligence level of someone who acts like a whore.
I never claimed atheism. I simply said it don’t matter if gods real or not either way his existence don’t effect people choices. Their belief in him will but his existence in itself don’t matter.
That being said I’m more agnostic then atheist.
Okay; sorry, @VanillaSalt.
@LazerBean That wasn't the question you asked, though.
The question isn’t dating it’s sex… yes their interested in sex but datings not valuable anymore.
I mean I gave up on women years ago. Dating is more trouble than it’s worth. I usually have a bad experience and then feel like an idiot for wasting time and money on yet another woman who only went out with me because she had nothing better to do.
Besides, everyone I know who has been married has been divorced. The guys I know who are married still are very unhappy in their marriage are terrified of divorce and financial ruin.
Losers in the red pill community always want to think it's bigger, more mainstream and more important than it is.
People who can't get laid, decide getting laid isn't that desirable? A tale that's thousands of years old. Aesop's fables, "sour grapes".
Like kids who mistakenly think they've discovered a sex thing, incels discover no-nutting. And they know nothing.
Men are not losing interest in sex. I don't think men will ever lose interest in sex. But sperm quality and count has been declining. Its mainly due to pollution, and the food we are eating.
No. It's more about semen retention. Man realized that their semen has tons of nutriens, vitamins, and minerals. By retaining their semen on nofap they get more healthier, and they age slower. Losing semen can cause faster aging, and lack of energy.
Man should only have sex when they and their mate want to reproduce.
Ah do you have any scientific research to back this up?
Just type in benifits of semen in Google.
@cintiajones you have a few screws loose upstairs if you really believe that.
Semen retention can make men more likely to approach or chase women, unless they know how to channel that extra energy though. I find it takes a lot more mindfulness around attractive women.
I don't believe it, I know it.
@globetrotter22 She is actually 100% correct. She is tapped in to divine knowledge.
@OldWorldOrder source?
@globetrotter22
I am likewise tapped in to divine knowledge. You are required to believe me.
@OldWorldOrder @cintiajones such destiny I encountered you two wise sages
Its true. I have sex a lot but i do not masterbate because of this. And once in awhile purposely forgo sex for a few days. Drives my girlfriend nuts and she jumps all over me with desire. Also seems to help in athletics.
@globetrotter22 Mike Tyson and many other athletes retain for a reason.
Relationships take work. If I'm going to invest time and effort she has to be worth it. I'm sorry but so few women today want to give ANYTHING to a relationship. So it's not that I'm unwilling to date. I'm just fine with waiting for a woman worth my effort.
Women aren’t dateable anymore. They are delusional about how men work until they are so old that they are no longer emotionally attractive for a serious relationship. U can try and try and try but u have to have some very serious skills to make this work at this point and the red pill is ok but trying to be a player sucks it takes waaaay too much time and effort and it’s not like ur ever gonna get the girls u actually find attractive. U really are better off just giving up as a guy in my opinion
We still like getting pussy, but dealing with females has become too much of a hassle. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze. Women have made themselves into un-datable kryptonite. One night stands, Pump and dumps, and Escorts are the only ways to go.
Possibly. It seems the availability of porn is unlimited and free, women are also sexting and handing out phone sex like candy. Men probably get their fill and leave the house to do something else.
Alternative opinion: I think the women actually get more out of phone sex than the guys do.
@TrueConfection That’s definitely part of the problem. I completely agree about porn (it’s now impacting women as well)
But another issue is that radical feminism is scaring men away from taking initiative. Not every woman is a radical feminist of course but their ideologies have gone mainstream and bringing out the worst in some
women.
@globetrotter22 I can see that with some women I know. Their loss! That leaves the good guys for the rest of us. 😁
@TrueConfection thats true. But just like guys have to deal with women who are jaded from bad experiences now women have to deal with men who have endured bad experiences.
The original sin is radical feminism though. It is a organized indictment on all men (yes these idiot bitches really do throw all men under the bus)
@globetrotter22 The important part is to leave the baggage at home.
@TrueConfection not saying your like this. But honestly who is worse about this: men or women? Just saying.
@globetrotter22 ok
@TrueConfection didn’t mean to be a Debbie downer there. Anyway thanks for hearing me out.
Probably, you see the commodity market is actually a good metaphor for the current societal situation under discussion here
If a commodity becomes scarce, it is likely in high demand but if the demand is unsated then the market finds a workaround and leaves it behind causing the value to collapse with it
Not the guys I know. Especially not losing interest in sex, although it's common now to wait a bit longer nowadays before officially dating. But yeah lots of guys are still interested in that too, it's just that many people now take a bit longer
Can I ask you a question
Would you date a great man if he had a average size penis?
I’m 6.5 inches long and 4.7 inches girth. Is that small to you
Well I’m definitely not thick like pornstars
My girth is dead average
A woman I was talking to yesterday on here said I’m too small for most hot girls
No, I wish this were true! That would weed so many guys out, in the dating scene the ones that I’ve experienced are ONLY interested in sex. That’s why I’ve given up. Lol
@phenomenalqueen Hate to be the one to break it to you but thats going to be all men. Outside of sex is their something tangible women bring to the table?
I would say the same thing about those men, what do they have to offer besides dick? 🤔 But I’ve also noticed that they only do it to certain women. So I guess there’s that.
@Vegasrunner ummm a quality relationship? Sex is not the only thing someone can bring to a relationship
@phenomenalqueen So you're saying women bring nothing to the table?
@AmysQs5 Sex is the only tangible asset. I don't know what you mean by saying women bring a quality relationship to the table?
Most women bring way more to the table than men do… When a man asks this question, it’s because he’s OFFERING NOTHING besides sex..
I bring a career… I bring the ability to fix nearly anything from plumbing to electrical… I bring safety… and yes I bring sex that gives pleasure and children. Now what do you have to offer for my devotion? I can answer this question but you women get so offended when guys ask.
“You women” says a lot about you already. You’re one of those people who don’t see others as equal.. otherwise gender and gender roles wouldn’t matter.. there’s women who can do the exact same thing as you..
That question has zero relevance, I feel like men ask you that question so they can determine your value & the way they want to use you.. it’s not always what you say, but the confidence behind it first.. Next they will listen for what you say.
Your right I don’t see us as equal. Equals just a pretty word to make weak people feel better. I’m not Michael Jordan and your not Sandra Bullock. I have to sign the draft at 18 to vote where as you get that right free. I’m shoveling shit to maintain this country a job you neither could do nor would you do… if you wanna discuss equality let’s discuss family court… parental rights… I do not in any way other than we’re all alive and well all die think we’re equal… after all I’m just vanilla but your a queen right?
Also to your point of relevance… it matters to us. Not everything is done your way and not everything you think don’t matter don’t actually matter. The fact you put down our values and concerns says a lot about you…
You speak way too highly of yourself. You need to humble yourself, you speak from entitlement. You’re speaking that way because you’ve already discovered something about me, you’re one of those people who see me as beneath you. That’s a YOU problem.. If you really worked as hard as you claim to, that alone should’ve humbled you.. You would know what it’s like to live a certain way. Again, you need to be humbled. You have a huge ego.
That’s rich coming from someone talking down to me right now.
I’ve been humbled by life. I’ve been homeless and penniless. I’ve been without friends and family. I speak highly of myself because I came back from that better then ever. Because I AM valuable and no random “queen” on the internet can tell me otherwise.
@Vegasrunner I mean what I said - a quality relationship is self explanatory I think. A great friend, companion, someone who helps you through life. Plus many different women bring many different things. I have a good job and like to cook, so I would be have a lot to provide tangibly in that regard as well
Was it so hard to answer that question? Instead of spending the last 2 days being obstinate you could've have just said that and we’d get along. Instead you decide to get defensive and assume the question was asked with malice and return the same question you refused to answer back as though your priorities and beliefs were somehow more important.
When I say “you women” I do not mean all women because I recognize not all women are like this and many are well worth the fight… but YOU are like this. YOU are a man hater assuming the worst throwing around attitude as though your shit don’t stink.
Your just gonna come back with attitude rather then apologizing for acting like… nvm have a good day.
@amysqs5 I apologize my notifications told me queen responded but it was you instead.
In regards to what you said I do have something to add. A quality relationship isn't why you ask a woman what she brings to the table. Some women like to cook some refuse. Asking what they bring is the same as asking do you cook? Do you clean? Do you work? Just touching on all the points at once. And when you say you got a good job… that’s nice but does that mean your going to have to work rather then spend time with me and my kids? The jobs nice by I make far more then we need to live comfortably so at that point your sacrificing time with me and the family for money I don’t feel we need. It’s a valid concern. Either way thanks for the explanation.
@VanillaSalt that makes sense. Vegasrunner was basically saying women only bring sex to the table, which is pretty disrespectful and the truth is that a lot of people can bring a lot of things to the table and should be valued for their individuality. It's fair that you wouldn't want to marry someone with a busy job, but I also make more than most men, so for me a criteria is that any man I'm with needs to be ok with me pursuing my career just like he pursues his. Nothing wrong with a different approach, but for mine, I would consider that I bring a stable income and intellectual prowess from my job to the table
A different kinda woman lol. I used to be okay flipping roles but after working 60+ hours the last 10 years averaging 70+/week I can’t go back to not working. I’ve been off for 2 weeks switching jobs and it’s freaking killing me. Took advantage of the fact almost everywhere was willing to pay more then my pre-covid rate. Everywhere near here went up like $5+/hr entry…
I gotta say though the only thing women bring that’s unique to them is sex and children. There’s many qualities men will value them for intelligence, career, looks, personality, and so much more but women uniquely bring kids. I can get all these other things from other sources. So I feel a woman’s best bets to leverage her sexuality while showing her better qualities the same as a man must first get a woman’s interest. It’s a game. A dance. You want me and I want you but what do you have that’s going to make you worth my commitment? Is your value equal to my sacrifice? There’s a lot we’re considering from that single question when it’s asked. It’s not to be rude even if it seems that way or it might even be that way but you disarm most men by staying calm and answering what you consider a rude question honestly.
Personally if I ask that question and she gets defensive I’m already done. If she remains calm and answers I’ll judge her for her answer to decide if she’s what I’m looking for but she’ll immediately get more respect from me just for staying calm. Stoicism is in such short supply these days.
@VanillaSalt I agree, much better to discuss than to argue. I see what you mean by the unique things - I would say that sex and the ability to have children with me are the only unique things that a man necessarily brings as well. But for me that's why I have interests in so many other things about a man that would make him a good relationship partner. I think a lot of men on here say things like women are only good for sex, because they do not have much respect for us and don't think to look for other qualities that they care about. Like being funny, or outdoorsy, or good at cooking, or smart.
PEOPLE are rarely at their best online and gags no different. Hell my person to person interactions with women don’t exist anymore. I was working so many hours on a graveyard shift that I was stuck using dating apps. Between dating apps and social media and what few women were in my life as well as statistics I don’t have a high opinion of most women. But about 2 years ago I got involved heavily with my brothers family. This familial interaction has me thinking differently. I need to care about the future for my niece and my brothers wife’s a very hard working, intelligent, capable woman. All the women in her family (except that one we all have) are amazing. They made me abandon MGTOW and consider the future. That being said statistics are still a concern and the law is still against men. Commitment I wanna give but marriage… I can’t. I won’t it’s not an equal agreement.
Men that throw around their attitude and treat women badly are only misguided and only women can guide these men through their own actions.
Women are mad men ain’t stepping up? What is there to step up for if they believe women will screw them the first chance they get? Same thing for men how can you expect women to behave when you support bad behavior like promiscuity?
I’ve never been homeless but I’ve experienced things that would’ve fit the criteria, I’ve went through a lot of things in life and they HUMBLED ME. No, I’m not in the same situation, I’ve grown, I overcame things. IM STILL HUMBLED. The way you speak is downright horrible, and again, you and I both know why you’re feeling that way and why you keep calling me “Queen”. Your words are going to come back to you some day, you’re in no way better than anybody. You’re just an ordinary male, nothing about you is special. Just like most of us. Nothing of what you typed nor stated says anything… You are exactly what I described, a person who doesn’t bring ANYTHING to the table besides dick… that and entitlement, lol.
@AmysQs5 You're making the mistake of thinking that a man wants the same thing you want. A man doesn't need a companion or friendship from a women and her job is irrelevant. Cooking is something tangible but their are plenty of women that can cook. If you want to keep a qualitu man you have to think about what he's looking for not just telling people what you do.
@Vegasrunner My job is definitely relevant, and any man who I find worthwhile wants companionship. There are plenty of men looking for those things
@AmysQs5 It's relevant to you but not to a man. No man of value cares what a woman does for work it's completely irrelevant. Guys just probably haven't said that to you because most guts can't be honest w/ women.
I care greatly what she does. It can’t take up to much of her time or I’m not interested. Amy is thinking any man she is interested in will be interested in her job but the truth is @amysqs5 most guys are against women being career driven for several ways. People have a hard time hiding things. Career driven women have to have masculine qualities to be as successful as a man in their job. Disagreeable, long hours, direct… these are not the qualities most men look for in women. It would be fine if your masculine at work and feminine at home but… lol most people can’t do that…
Also Vegas idea of companionship is the same as friends or family. Your ideas of intimacy. For guys we consider companionship another warm body in the room while we interact or not at our discretion.
@AmysQs5 I think its important that men read statements like yours. While your job may be important to you it in no way bringa any sort of benifit or value to a man. Woman make the mistake all the time of thinking that what attracts them to men is the same thing thay attracts men to women.
@Vegasrunner I don't think every man wants exactly the same thing. And there are lots of jobs where feminine traits are great. Many men care about what a woman enjoys doing, whether it's for work or what she does in her free time. I've gotten plenty of guy's attention with the things I enjoy doing. Have you seen how popular an attractive woman is at the gym? Plenty of guys are all over a woman who likes the same things as them. And I'm going after that kind of guy, not the kind who doesn't care what I like and just wants to have sex with me.
I think a distinction needs to be made between what people do cause they like it like hobbies and things they do because they have to or it’s good for them. Also men don’t see things the same way although the process is similar.
First there’s attraction which for men involves physical connection more so then women. Women look at a man’s substance but men see a woman’s beauty. Not everyone but most. So if your at the gym sure your gonna be noticed. Won’t be as noticed as if your at the shopping mart, at work, out eating, ignoring he world… Do you think a man’s approaching you after a fresh set of squats because he likes how much you like the gym?
Men like many things but MOST men prefer a specific set of things. Your odds arnt 0 if you arnt these sets of things but their not as high either. And if your gonna answer a question like what quality YOU bring… ah I guess it makes sense for you to think that way… after all women don’t have to win over the opposite sex like men do. When we show what we bring it’s necessary to show what SHE wants… enlightening to follow this thought out all the way for once I guess I can finally understand why women answer like that when they answer.
@VanillaSalt I think men approach me at the gym because I'm attractive and because I do something that they like. You know how women who play video games or do other traditionally male activities get plenty of attention? Maybe you're right that most men just like how we look. That's why dating is hard. But there is enough men who aren't that way that many men pay attention to a women especially for her hobbies and what she loves
I think you misunderstood a little. Any men looking for a relationship will care about a woman’s hobbies and personality BUT… Initially what draws mens interest is the physical aspect.
There must be that attraction, usually physical, before we give women a second deeper dive look into who they are and if their relationship material.
@VanillaSalt Oh of course. Well the appearance obviously helps a lot. But unlike the other responder is saying, I do think a large portion of men care about our job, interests, how we spend our time. And not just expecting us to provide sexual value. A woman who is just attractive and nothing else isn't enough for lots of guys. So that's why my job and interests absolutely bring value to guys. Not to mention, I make more than most guys my age. And having a little extra money is never a problem.
The leading cause of divorce is financial. Usually men don’t feel confident in themselves as men if their not the primary breadwinners. Also women tend to look down on men they out earn for long periods of time. Women tend to want confident, capable, stable men with ambition… A man cannot remain confident if everyone in society looks down on him including his wife. He’s unlikely to remain capable of he’s unconfident. Unconfident incapable men are not stable. And any man with ambition strives to be the best. Men struggle with being second in every aspect so dealing with it at home.
“I make more than most guys my age.” To me this don’t seem like a benefit. Most women actually god for slightly older men cause their more equal in maturity and the men are more well made. We’re looking at generalizations here though. There’s many out there compatible with what you want… just makes it harder to get.
@AmysQs5 I had to re-read my original statement to even understand what you're yalking about. It doesn't mention anything about "every man" or feminine job traits. Also attention and relationships are two completely different things and you're going to either learn that the easy or the hard way. Attractive women are popular in gyms because they are attractive women wearing tight clothes. Why do you think they're popular. Feel free to "go after" any type of guy you want, what is the relevance of that comment.
@phenomenalqueen If that were true. Then you would have provided something that they bring to the table. Fact is women require way more things from men. Men only require a couple things from women. So reality doesn't align w/ your belief.
I think that some people male and female are not meant to be with one person. hence why serial cheaters exist, but dating is not what it use to be when are parents had dated. we as people need to find love in other ways and not let sex be the reason we stay or leave someone too. dating and marriage is not just about sex it is about the whole person too.
Did you know sex and dating are two whole other things? There is more to a relationship then sex and if that is all someone cares about maybe they figure out later on that there is
I'm not one of these people who like to generalise, or speak for others.. but if I lost my appetite for sex? My g/f would disappear quicker than an alcoholic's wine cellar.
Definitely not losing interest in sex, look at all the desperate men online, but I'd say a lot have given up on dating because women have gotten shittier, not to say the men haven't either, but some guys just have bad luck that are genuinely good guys and they can't help but feel defeated that they can't find a good woman because it's tough to nowadays so they give up either that or they completely turn against women
Lmao
It's an echo chamber. If that's what you see that's because that's where your focus is going to. No men are not losing interest in sex en mass
Hmmm maybe I’m getting too old, but when I was in my 20’s sex and dating were still a thing.
i do think the younger generation relies on virtual way more than I did... maybe that’s part of it
I would say men more cautious about it, they not trying to get destroyed by disgruntled woman who will call for sexual harassment or whatever after they realize the man ain’t into them. Not saying that is the majority of claims or even half but it happens more often than people think. So yeah, men have to protect themselves now
There is a major depopulation effort happening. Removal of meat lowering testosterone. Gay sex being glorified. Marriages being discouraged. High stress causing sexual disfunction.
As generations fly, society takes turns and no one knows how sharp the turns will be and how effective it will be, nor do we know if it will change in a good or bad way
Most men are horribly insecure or just socially awkward these days.
Cruel words but we can’t deny there’s truth in them. Just looking at the men on social media today you can argue insecurity is a common problem. And social awkwardness after the lockdowns kinda expected. Social medias caused people to act irl how they do behind a phone and that’s not a good thing. When we’re anonymous we’re at our worst.
No, I think you're mistaken. Men never lose interest in sex, unless they are asexual.
@Friendlybro79 Well, people who are asexual have no sexual feelings, so those don't. I didn't see where that was funny thou? Or do you mean I sounded funny?
If all men never lose interest except... the ones that do then it just sounded funny to me. I understood what you meant. Sounded like a Yogi Bera ism if you remember those funny one liners he had. Laughing with you moment. I say things like this all the time. Just my sense of humor.
@Friendlybro79 I see. Yes some people laugh at the things I say. Sometimes I come off as too blunt. But at least I’m truthful. 😃
As a man you’re wrong… I’ve lost interest many times during the act itself. When she’s a dead fish you lose interest. When you expect a dead fish or a bad attitude your just done.
@VanillaSalt That's understandable, what you go though. However, that is not what an asexual person is about. They have NO sexual feelings ever, or very little interest in sex.
Idc what asexual men are like… your example was of a non-asexual male based off the “unless they are asexual”.
“Men never lose interest in sex, unless they are asexual.” I’m telling you your wrong. I’ve lost interest many times. I’m not asexual.
@VanillaSalt The question was - Do men ever lose interest in sex? - and there are men who are NOT interested in sex at all. The fact that you LOST your interest in sex implies that you were once interested in it. Now, the fact that you no longer are, might be for many different reasons (illness, depression, fatigue). So you yourself know what those reasons are. I am not wrong, I am assuming this is what most men are like. And, it's "you're", not" your".
You don’t think losing interest, even in the moment, doesn’t show interest for sex waning?
I haven’t gotten any hard numbers but you have to assume that with obesity on the rise men are less interested then if everyone was good looking. With women being what they are today less men are willing to deal with them. From experience dry spells. It’s much like a chain smoker that stops smoking for a few months. Maybe a twinge here and there but the desire to smoke is lessened. You don’t think sex with its release of addictive drugs like dopamine is treated by the body the same?
Your and you’re… I really don’t give a shit.
@VanillaSalt You're turning my point into something totally different. I am answering that question--not yours.
I don't care if you don't give a shit, actually.
This is not true of the boys in my high school. They talk about girls all the time.
Better ask them out now while they still gaf. Lol
What @Shamalien said!
Yeah. Too many of us have become fed up with all the BS.
It's not that men are "losing interest in sex." It's that too many of us have said "f*ck this sh*t" cause it's no longer worth all the trouble and hoops women will have men jump through, in order to get it. Outside of men being wealthy enough to afford escorts regularly, or simply being a Chad who can get laid anytime, more and more men are just done being crapped on, or simping to a woman, just to get laid.
I’ve only known men with CRAYONS 🖍 for Ducks loose interest in sex.
Not someone who had a full blown BANANA 🍌.
But that’s my experience.
“CRAYONS 🖍 FOR DICKS”
@userxvi
WTH are you talking about lol.
That’s just my experience.
Do you have a crayon 🖍 for a d! ck?
@userxvi
AWWWWWWWWW
You gonna wre-port me…?
Booo Boooo
Gaaa gaaa
You jumped into that… should know better then to feed the trolls. Best to ignore the mentally unbalanced idiots. Their pretty easy to discern.
@VanillaSalt
He started it………………….
And I ended it…..
@userxvi
I didn’t do anything. I told you my experience. I said “guys who have 🖍 crayon for D! CKS loose interest in sex, unlike someone who had a full-blown banana 🍌 for a D! CK”, which is true. Then you got offended cause clearly you have a crayon 🖍 . LMAOOOOO
AND then he went and said about how
“I MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ABOUT BODY POSITIVITY”
Cause he got offended.
Someone with a full blown banana 🍌
Wouldn’t
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@emyywolf Have you been w/ a lot of men w/ "crayons for dicks"?
@Vegasrunner
No but some
@emyywolf And they lost interest in having sex w/ you?
@Vegasrunner
Yeah , because of their PENCIL D*CK.
But they would immediately use their fingers as a pleasure tool, and I personally couldn’t stand it.
Finger Sh*T is G4Y AF!!
And it almost always hurts!!
It’s unnatural!
Men like that need to find themselves some A$IAN B*CHES.
I ain’t even playing 😒
@emyywolf Why do you think you attract so many pencil dick men?
@Vegasrunner
I don’t lol. I said SOME.
It only happened when I was using TINDER too.
I don’t use that anymore, I hate it!
I meet dudes at work and F*K THEM.
And usually they’re AFRO , sooo.
They don’t really disappoint.
When it’s a Latino it’s also a good chance he won’t disappoint.
With WHITE I already know what I’m getting into.
Some Latino from Puerto Rico also kinda disappointing.
I don't know what else to tell you
@emyywolf Obviously you've attracted enough that you felt the need to share an unsolicited opinion. What is it about you that attracts pencil dick men?
Jesus fuck let the troll starve you annoying fuckers.
No.
Less interest in marriage and long term relationships.
Not in sex, but in marriages that don’t bring them anything
I guess I can't speak for other men, but my husband is sometimes a little too interested in sex. Haha
Good thing he has you then.
@Anonymous That's a good thing!
And I agree with @Xoirwinkan.
That’s a better problem to have than the opposite OP. Especially as you two get older.
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