Anonymous(30-35)+1 yNo, to the guys who consider themselves average, listen, put your big boy pants on, F what some idiotic/immature girls or women have told you, distance yourself from all these stupid terms like beta male, alpha male, etc. Look at yourself in the mirror, tell yourself, I am worthy enough, I will work hard, and work on myself, the door will open up where I find someone eventually. Have that mindset. Guys really have to support other guys on here and in general. Because fellas, if you allow this world to crush you, if you allow feminist extremists to devalue you and make you feel like garbage, you won't survive in this world. Don't allow those idiots get to you. I often see great guys just lose their self confidence and self respect over others. Majority of the time these bitter angry girls, these feminist extremists, these so-called alpha male douche bags have internal issues with themselves they have deep rooted issues where they hate themselves but they will attack others online or in person so that they feel better about themselves. That ship has sailed with this notion about feminism is female empowerment. A lot of girls and women are silent at Palestinian women and girls being killed in Gaza by the Zionist state of Israel. I don't see girls or women in the west joining forces creating some feminist army to protect women and girls facing tear gas, missiles, white phosphorus, bullets, sharp objects.
I've noticed feminists talk a lot online but they won't put their boots on the ground. I'm tired of the constant degradation of males. How does allll this tie to dating scene nowadays? It takes two to tango, unfortunately, a lot of western young women are brain washed and in the future they will realize their faults and mistakes but it will be too late, once an opportunity passes ladies, don't mope you chose that path. This has to be said, because far too many guys and men are dealing with and battling depression and women and girls don't care, some of them are happy and that's a sick, twisted satanic approach women/girls have. To the guys/men, there are great women and girls out there, you'll find the right one, you've only crossed paths with the one's who were not meant for you. It's not because you're not on her level, it's because she is not on your level with your kindness, loyalty, trust and hard work.
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+1 yAverage men can still have luck on the dating scene, yes even now a days, there's never a need to give up on something you really want to achieve in life.
With that said I Kinda would hate to say it like this but honestly in my experience, lonely, kinda depressed, women were a lot more sympathetic and understanding than some other women out there. If they like you, They don't go ghost, they listen to what you have to say, they don't play ridiculous games or complain about you not being enough of this or that
I hate that it took some women to become depressed to actually show more honesty, loyalty and care towards you and your relationship but especially when you help her come out from her dark space of depression she's has a higher chance of wanting to stay with you in one way or another, because of that bond is a bit stronger, and really I'm just guessing but I believe that would also make her value rhe relationship with you at least a little bit more.
But as with any game of chance each person you meet is very unique in every way you'll never know who you connect with really until you really get to know them, no need to take every rejection personally either, your destiny will open up to you a new and possibly better path00 Reply
+1 yNo, but they should be aware that other people are allowed to reject them. They also should know how to take rejection instead of just going “well you’re ugly anyways” or worse. Also they shouldn’t expect anything in return just because they’re being nice to someone or paid for something for the other person.
I’ve met way too many women who have had experiences with men like that for comfort. I mean, I know that not all men act that way, but, and as much as I hate it, at some point you just gotta start assuming to keep yourself safe. I mean, there’s been so many women who have been m*rdered just for rejecting a guy.
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@Shortcel who said anything about more rejections? Because I didn’t. What I said was that they should know that other people are ALLOWED to reject them and they should know how to react to being rejected. That doesn’t mean being average correlates to more rejections, and if that’s what you took from what I said, then you missed the point entirely.
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Asker+1 yNo some people e. g. athletes are immune to it.
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No they’re not. I promise you that even people who seem to never get rejected have been rejected by someone.
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They might have a million girls after them, but does that mean they’ve never been rejected? No. Everybody gets rejected at one point or another, it’s a natural part of life.
+1 y"average" is a statistical term... it means someone around 50% of measured thing.
there are no average people in the real life we are all unique with our set of traits, experiences and talents
only those who don't want to date should probably leave, why the rest should?
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Asker+1 yYou never met me then your statement would change drastically.
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you are an unique human being with unique genes, phenotype, skills, abilities and capabilities
Asker+1 yA modern day Women wants a copy + paste that her friends have & celebs idols have. They don't care for the uniqueness in the same way morals & personality don't matter to them.
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+1 ySome pink anon below very “bravely” (and so intelligently…cough) posted that Average men have the best odds when dating. She was so brave she didn’t allow anybody to leave comments on her post.
Statistically over 63% of men under 30 are single right now. But I guess the hard data must all be an illusion.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Tmo8geBTARkNot say that men bitching and copping out is a good thing. But that’s not really what’s happening. Let’s not kid ourselves. Women hold the real power in dating when all else is equal. I repeat women have a distinctive advantage over men in dating when all else is equal (looks, money, intelligence, etc).
It’s because women can expect to be treated special just for existing. Men are only “special” on what they are able to do (agency).
Most of these so called “incels” you see complaining would of most likely been happily married 50 years ago. But our modern society has brought out the worst in women.
But women changed first in the western world and not for the better. Men changed in reaction to women (and not for the better either).
But I do think there is nothing men can do until women finally come to a agonizing realization that they are self sabotaging themselves. So guys putting up exhaustive posts about how destructive modern feminism is for society isn’t going to do any good.
Sadly women will need to find out the hard way first that more often then not their misery is because of their own selfish decisions not the fault of “patriarchy”.
20 Reply 2.6K opinions shared on Dating topic. Only those who don't know how to interact socially or how to treat women. The scaredy cats, those who limit themselves to social media, and those who refuse to "settle" for cute, nice, average girls.
I, personally, always preferred average girls - cute, true-blue, girl-next-door types with nice figures instead of stuck up mean girls, prom queens and Beckies."Among those 18 to 29 years of age, 63% of men versus 34% of women considered themselves single. This dropped to 25% of men and 17% of women for those 30 to 49 years of age."
How many of those people are actually seeking relationships? For that matter, how many of those people are part of the LGBTQI+ community?"57% were “Not currently looking for a relationship or casual dates”, 7% were looking for “Casual dates only”, 22% were interested in “Either a committed romantic relationship or casual dates”, and only 13% were interested in “A committed romantic relationship only.”
"The percentage of single Americans who are looking for a relationship or casual dates is lower than in 2019, especially among men. This number dropped from 49% in 2019 to 42% in 2022, 61% to 50% among single men and 38% to 35% among single women."
"The type of relationship single Americans are looking for varies by gender. While 19% of men were looking for “Casual dates only,” fewer single women (15%) said the same. A greater percentage of single women (41% vs. 25%) were looking for “A committed romantic relationship only.”
So 41% of single women are looking for committed relationships. And I guarantee that, contrary to claims by Manosphere influencers, those women aren't holding out for "Chads" and "Alpha men".
So if guys want go give up and huddle in their basements, that's fine. It means all the more dating options for the rest.
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+1 yNo. Just quit the apps.
Apps come with weird criterias like texting-rizz and profile-framing that has little to no baring once you meet face to face.
Why the hassle of being filtered away online when you can make a real impression irl, and feel good about it, instead of ghosted behind a screen.
- Take dancing-lessons then go social-dancing.
I recommend Fox and Westcoast swing, they offer good variation on music-types, dynamic pair-dancing, is fast&Slow, offer plenty of opporotunity to talk and express creativity.
- Go out on clubs, festivals or pubs.
- Look around in the area, what types of courses and events are there out there that would offer places to meet new people?
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+1 yI think if you find a woman attractive, and are available, then you should give her a chance to date you. If she says "no thanks", you should respect that. There is a virtually endless supply of women in the world, so you can keep trying for as long as your ego can take it.
But if you feel like it isn't worth the effort, no one is forcing you.
And just as you would want women to be the best person they can be (because that ultimately benefits you), you should strive to be the best person you can be.
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+1 yThey absolutely should.
Instead of looking for a relationship, go off and do your own thing and maybe someday one will just like fall in your lap or something.
A few times I ended up in a relationship due to an argument. We’d get into argument about whether but then it would somehow devolve into flirtation and eventually a relationship.
Anyways, the point I’m making is that you shouldn’t pursue a relationship because they’re just bound to happen anyways and the effort you put into looking For a relationship could instead go to your hobbies, work and random projects.10 Reply
+1 yI quit at 30, or a few days after 30, lol, I haven't been on Bumble for a few days now lol 😁😆 and counting. Look I happily don't mind be retired from the dating scene. If I didn't score in my 20s, I'm not fussed that I wouldn't score now in my 30s. So instead I stick to my other life's pursuits like working, making money, family, food, friends, money, lol, and enjoying the finer things in life, thankfully without screaming offspring or a nagging wife/girlfriend with a bad personality ahahahaha 😁😁👀
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yNo. But they should give women the attention they EARN. Too many guys look at all women as they were created equal. They're not! Too many guys waste time on women who would never even consider them. Too many guys treat women as though they are some sort of prize that needs to be won.
It's up to a woman to show interest in YOU. Then it's your job to pursue her if interested. But her job is not over. She must continue to show interest. If not, he needs to pull up stakes and move on. Too many guys fall for one interaction with a woman. Too many guys today do not have enough value in themselves to tell a woman to hit the bricks.
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+1 yNot all men 🤡
But who wants to date should understand that woman doesn't owe sex just because she was offered to go on a date or got dinner or flowers.
Most men feel used after dated because they are paying or stuff and in the end of the date woman refuses to go at their place20 Reply- 1.6K opinions shared on Dating topic.
+1 yAs for the dating pool it’s a cesspool nowadays & as for average guys they shouldn’t quit the dating scene however maybe they should take a break & continue looking until they find someone worth dating or find a boom boom buddy to satisfy their needs in the meantime.
10 Reply 1K opinions shared on Dating topic. From what I've observed, they already are quiting.
Mgtow is growing, millions of passport bros, gaming is the biggest entertainment industry at the moment.
If men would rather spend their time on a plastic box than try and find a woman, i think its pretty clear they can't be bothered with dating
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+1 yAbsolutely not. Quit the self pity and do some self reflection. Too many men are looking for their future wives in bars, clubs, tinder and Instagram... There are other places, there are average good women and we all crave companionship it's genetic.
Also it doesn't take much to separate yourself from the "average" outside of looks and financial status. Becoming interesting is not as hard as it seems and that's attractive
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Asker+1 yNot in England it isn't.
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Self pity isn't attractive... Learn another language, join the Peace Corp, join the military, go to another country... The self pity won't help you
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yAverage men have the best odds when dating so no they shouldn’t. It’s the ones who have character flaws and feminine qualities (IE the men on this site) who should quit dating. They are not average men because the average man doesn’t complain like women do.
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Asker+1 yWrong century 20th century yes best odd, this century definitely not.
First youd have to describe "your view" of an average man...
Remember there is always somebody for somebody else out there and what one may call average the next person things they are a 15/10.
I always liked the quote "I may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I'm somebody's shot of whiskey"
So my own opinion is no, everyone has the right to find their someone and even some of the hottest guys and gals are still somebody's view of "average" especially if they don't have the personality to boot. This is the case for me as I've definitely turned down a few thay are probably considered models by many but they just lacked a personality of substance.00 ReplyAverage men should be putting their efforts into being above average instead of trying to impress women. It’s not that hard to be above average these days. Work hard at uni, build a physique, and put more hours into your career than your peers. Women tend to just make themselves available with little effort from your end when you start succeeding. Women are a byproduct of your competency and success. Chase that. Most younger men do it backwards and wonder why they have no luck.
10 Reply2.1K opinions shared on Dating topic. Nah but the problem with average men is they have very high standards and want a perfect 10/10 woman. They need to bring themselves back down to earth and date for love and put their high standards aside.
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@Apple1996
Always give best advice ❤️ - +1 y
Come on man, average women and girls who are like 5/10 listen to other women and say nahhhh girl you're a 9, slayyyy it queen. Girls who are friends won't say, you know Jessica you shouldn't be sleeping around with 12 other dudes. Rather a female friend should say, listen cut the bullshit, stop sleeping around and get your act together do you want to be viewed as a whore or get some STD. But what do girls usually do, yaaa fuck as many guys as you can, if they are hot and some of them buy you shit, you deserve it queen! Guys on the other hand will be blunt and say, dude your fat, go to the gym and lose 30 pounds and gain muscle. There's a difference with how girls/women talk compared to how guys/men talk.
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@pass_the_celery98 You know all this from personal experience?
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@LazyDork personal experience for myself, through friends, through the news, through books, if people don't know this then guys are clearly asleep. I question how many guys have the balls to stand up and be honest because I see a lot of guys who are so timid and shy to state the truth about this. Im not saying anything beyond this because if you don't see it that way then you clearly support feminism and feminism to me of what it has become is toxic in my opinion. There's a reason why more guys in the west are electing to marry non-western girls.
m +1 yThe more that quit, the more fun it is for those that don’t. Go for it.
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Asker+1 ySeems like the above average and those that believe they're entitled to that type want more average & below to do so.
881 opinions shared on Dating topic. no... like litterally every average dude ever is and has been getting some since high school. the only ones who aren't are the socially inept ones
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Not this dude, I’m 30 and never gotten any. I’m not the only one either.
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Not quite.
I was actually popular in high school for reasons I still don’t fully understand and I definitely had some advances and not just from the girls either unfortunately.
That said I ignored all the advances i got in favor of my own personal entertainment which I found to be a better use of my time. - +1 y
794 opinions shared on Dating topic. Women rate 80% of men below average.
That said the average American man should fix his diet and workout regularly.
However societally this whole The age of the familyman is over. The age of fuckboys is now. is less than ideal.
00 Reply2.2K opinions shared on Dating topic. Most of them, yes. At least in the US, if you're willing to look at girls outside the country, still strong odds of success
30 Reply1.1K opinions shared on Dating topic. Not necessarily. Most average men can find a nice, equally average woman if they put forth the effort.
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Since when has a woman ever considered herself average and hell would freeze over the day an 'average' women settles for a man she doesn't look up to, admire, respect and worship
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great diss unfortunately never had a tiktok vine or periscope
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Most women you see day to day are average with a few 6-8s. But everyone acts as if they are Gods gift to humanity. Make a male dating profile of a average man and only match with people you see as equal or slightly prettier. You will notice no women wants to date in their ecosystem because theyre hoping to get a relationship from the hot guys who dont have to settle to get sex
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If most women aren't average then I don't know what to tell you. Beautiful and ugly people are the faces that stand out in a crowded setting
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possibly and thats a world i dont care to understand
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Im not relationship material lol.
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981 opinions shared on Dating topic. Yes, especially when you're young and you're not having success. When you're 30 and your life is starting to go well then you can give it another try but before that you're just wasting time and making yourself feel worse.
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+1 yIf they do, they shouldn’t complain about not meeting women.
30 Reply4.5K opinions shared on Dating topic. Just online dating, that's where the worst women are anyway, just keep trying and take every opportunity that comes your way, put yourself out there, it took a lot of trying but if I can get dates/laid/relationships anyone can if they stop focusing on all the women who reject them and go for the ones not egotistical and hive minded, and maybe take your standards a couple notches back and focus on a good personality
00 Reply3.2K opinions shared on Dating topic. Might as well. Most men are invisible to women anyways except in places like Thailand. Passport bros is not just some random fad.
10 ReplyFor the average man (5’10, 5/10, avg build, $60k/yr) dating is incredibly difficult. If on top of that you happen to non white it’s even harder. Never been a worse time to be alive in dating as avg joe
10 ReplyIt's sad as im sure most people want to find someone and be happy together. but the dating scene just seems like most people are out for a free feed etc. and so i can't be f'd. wasting my time on people. who don't value me as a person.
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+1 yThey should stop being average and and level up so they could date
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Asker+1 yNot realistic at all not everyone can afford the resources.
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Improving yourself isn't expensive. It takes effort
Asker+1 ySounds like you take money for granted.
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You couldn't be more wrong
+1 yYou'll never know until you know. Try dating and if it doesn't work out then it doesn't work out
11 ReplyWell not to be tooo big of a D but to be fair one wipe and that perfect 10 goes to an 8 and on a bad day with no makeup maybe 7 6 which is average.
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+1 yAbsolutely. Quit. Average guys don't stand a chance of getting a date. If you're not 10/10 with 6 pack abs and a bulging wallet women don't want anything to do with you. I use to see it all the time.
00 ReplyNever quit, this world is surprising, you just have to be right place at right time and you will say right thing, it just clicks.
I just never tried and realized this too late
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+1 yNo, and I don't wanna put the ''average'' label on anyone. Just because some people think they are average, doesn't mean it's true. There's a number of women who will say we're hot, or sexy.
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+1 yNo. If you want to find a partner, be in the dating scene. If you don’t, then don’t.
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+1 yjust the average ones? why not the less than average?
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+1 yIf they don't want a relationship, they should quit. If they want, they should date.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yWinners will always win, losers will always lose. Pick your lane.
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I don't understand what you mean
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No choice its by design. You have to have losers in order for a few to be winners. In a 9 man race you have 1 winner and 8 losers so it is in life on varying criteria ie ugly and hot , gay and straight , rich and poor etc
7 moI say exit. The dating world for men is so miserable, condescending, toxic, and gynocentric. It is a win-lose transaction for men today. Save your money and time, and call the guys. Peace is better.
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+1 yI quit dating and relationships altogether 9 years ago. 🤷🏻♂️ before it was cool.
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I never partook before you even decided to quit
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+1 yDuh, yes. You should quite and spen your time making yourself better. Once you do that you'll never have to worry about getting a woman.
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+1 yYes! Average me will stay behind and take one for the team, reporting back if things improve.
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+1 yBiologically it's impossible. Men and women are naturally going to date.
The losers will be home masturbating to porn like they do everyday.00 Reply
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yNo, work on not being average. So many dudes are so pathetic now, what used to be an "average man" is probably an above average now.
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+1 yyeah... world is power hunger. average or weak men have no place. might as well just hang out. who knows? destiny will call you. every dog has its day
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@JHAYES317 Ask stupid questions, get stupid answers 🤷♀️
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+1 yNo. LOTS of non-studs have even hot girls. It depends on your personality, and yes, to some extent, bank account.
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+1 yWhy? There is so much easy pussy in the dating scene!!
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No there isn’t
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Is. And no I'm not tall I'm 5'5"
+1 yThey shouldve been glad to see the world becoming a reflection of my life
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yAll men should quit dating. Women have made it not worth the trouble.
if you need sex, get it and go.
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Opinion Owner+1 y@Peridot25 a lot of men are waiting for that.
But for us who like real vagina… use them and lose them.
You all made the society we now live in. Even if you weren’t the assholes who falsely accused men of bullshit, or used the gynocentric system to destroy a man or take his stuff/money… you have done nothing to stop it, you still benefit from it. The insane expectations and double standards are poison. The shit tests and games are trash.
Men are the ones who bring everything to the table, yet women act like they are the prize “because vagina”… men are now getting to the point where we know our worth and won’t put up with nonsense.
Opinion Owner+1 y@Peridot25 biology makes us want to touch you. Dopamine is the point. We don’t kill you off because unlike women, we don’t openly call for the genocide of the opposite sex.
Enjoy your piss.
You current personal actions do not remove the overall actions of the mass.
Opinion Owner+1 y@Peridot25 most men would never do to women what women do to men.
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yAbsolutely, we need to clear overpopulation so we all need to contribute to the cause
00 ReplyNo. Why should they?
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Asker+1 yThe least desired type of person romantically for most. I'm one of them.
Asker+1 yThey do now because women put average with them now so we experience what they feel.
13.2K opinions shared on Dating topic. No, they should date average women.
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Asker+1 yDo you still see average women giving average men opportunities?
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average women think theyre a 7 or at worst 6 but God forbid a 5 as truly average
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@Tomisworthless Here's an exercise for you. When you are in a public place with people passing by, count the total number of women close to your age, and the number you would consider dating. If you would consider dating half of them, then you are willing to date an average woman.
Consider the percentage you would date, and then estimate your desirability among men close to your age. Why do you consider yourself average?
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What if I can't tell their age nor ever thought of dating ever either male or female? Im well below average so I dont concern myself with typical things most us humans do
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Also i dont know any women and women dont care to know me either to them im just a f***** or a ugly beast from the deepest pit of hell. Believe me I haven't had a female friend since possibly 4th or 5th grade circa 2004. Nor have I had male friends I've always been me myself and I
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Now you're going to shame me? lol
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I feel fine, im just describing the world as I see it from the outside
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+1 yIt seems most already have.
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The dating apps are designed to extract revenue from average men while never showing their profiles to female app users. I think it was Bumble that admitted 88% of women filter out men under six feet tall, which means the vast majority of male profiles will never be seen. Let's add that the apps have bots (which should be unlawful IMHO) that are designed to give the bottom 88% of men enough attention to keep them paying the monthly fees. Apps are not the way for men.
Sure, why not? 🤷♀️ Your choice
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+1 yI already quit
00 Reply That depends if they like having sex.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yOnly if you’re a bitch
00 ReplyYes.
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