Who’s the prize in a relationship: men or women?

[desperatelyhungry]

Women 🎀

Men 🧟‍♂️

[Anonymous]

There should be an option for both, this is how division and hate happens. I understand it's a simple post. But if girls are all about a big tall guy or tall and muscular it equates and connects to protection and security. Last time I checked, that's not some minute matter. I'm tired of the whole concept of women believing feminism is about women's rights when females bash each other. There is genocide going in Israel to Palestinians, a lot of girls care more about looking pretty online than even to bother posting a girl who just got legs blown off by the IDF and lost her parents that the holocaust Israel is committing. When women can't even support each other, how can we categorize and think who is the better one in a relationship? Women go through pregnancy, they have nurturing qualities, she helps lift up her man and other good attributes. Men want to be the providers, to lift her up, and support her when she feels emotional. Women nowadays try too hard to be powerful, strong, rude with men and guys. That's why guys don't want to be in relationships. I want women and girls to read this. Stop trying to be the dominant in a relationship 24/7. It's controlling, its annoying, its emasculating. If guys are called simps for showing love or incels for showing anger from his past with women. Then I will put a woman in her place and say she's a femcel for hating on men. While young women read stories of the past of gender wars and dissecting the current literature of feminism, women are trying to mould themselves into something they are not. This is why even in male combat sports like MMA or Boxing, there are different weight classes. You can't put Brock Lesnar (6ft3, 286 pnds) vs Floyd Mayweather (5'7, 150 pnds). This post is not to bash women. I will respect women to pursue their dreams and back them up. But I have a spine and I can't stand up if others insult me regardless of gender. The beauty of a good relationship is being on the same page. What's the problem is a guy wants to make his wife happy by cooking a delicious dinner, normalized by today's standards. But if a woman cooks for a man... that's considered oppression by modern day feminist standards. I'm not in a relationship right now because I am truly focusing on myself, 2023 sucked for me in terms of pursing women. The whole focus on myself is cliche but I truly mean it. Relationship is all about dynamics and men are usually the one's to lead the way. Of course, women want to be powerful and leaders. But from my experiences women in the work place as managers, teachers and taking on other roles of leaders tend to be the one's who were the rudest, most irrational and emotional. When you have a leader on the battle field you can't kill the enemy based on emotion.

Women will exhaust themselves out with trying to be a boss babe, posting for the gram, trying maintain fake friendships, being soo opinionated online about her confusing drivel. Heck, even the greatest male athletes had a breaking point with constant scrutiny, backlash, hate, different elements of life. It is not easy being a Michael Jordan, being a Derek Jeter, being a Tom Brady. I know some girl is going to read this and think I'm so sexist. I'm a believer in God, I don't care what people think online. If there are nights I have to clean up the house and cook for my wife I will do it because I love her. But some twisted women out there think a guy doing cooking/cleaning is him being a bitch and those same twisted women seek pleasure in being that dominant, that's unhealthy and women like that will never find true love.

[Opinion Owner]

I know, I've studied psychology, I've watched interviews of female dominatrixes and other girls who want to be dominant and humiliate a guy in a sense. It's because her past and trauma is soo bad that it can't be fixed unless she fixes herself, she takes accountability herself. I feel bad for women or girls who did not have a proper father figure or got raped or abused or manipulated by past guys. But women get way more emotional support eventually then men/guys do. God knows the deep wounds and scars guys keep quiet about where even women don't understand. If a girl was placed in a guy's body for 1 day and dealt with that pain and one gave a crap about her, while doing strenuous labour work at a job, she will realize the difficulties being a guy.

[desperatelyhungry]

I can say I overall agree with what you said and think it’s fair. I appreciate you being unbiased with both genders. I don’t look down on a man who cooks or cleans, that’s a good man. I think it should be both parties that take care of the house, at least when it’s both that work.

[Asad1ONE1]

Well you can clearly notice the all too obvious misandry in the polls and so women wonder why most men avoid them lol.

[Anonymous]

Nothing in the world like a really good woman. Never let her go if you find one.

[desperatelyhungry]

Amen and same for a good man

[Opinion Owner]

Agreed.

[Asad1ONE1]

Polls disagree LOL

[Opinion Owner]

@Asad1ONE1 Disagree with what?

[Asad1ONE1]

Women lying on poles

[Avicenna]

TBH, the question is really irrelevant, and not only because it's such a generalization. Both men and women are in a relationship because they want to be and get something out of it. Therefore, my answer is "both".

[coachTanthony]

I am the prize always. For others could be the woman lol

[dynamicyandere]

Both should be grateful to have found each other.


Thinking any other way can lead to taking your partner for granted.


Both should feel loved and appreciated.

[Anonymous]

Women are the prize. Women are kinder and more compassionate than men. Men are the same gender as all the greedy evil dictators like Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Vladimir Putin, Viktor Orbán, Kim Jung Un, Joseph Stalin and soon to be dictator in 2024 Donald Trump.

I know there's that "How often do you think about the Roman empire" nonsense meme on Tik Tok and Tim Pool said men think about it more because men worry about societal collapse and women are causing the collapse of western society and that's why women don't care as much about the roman empire. The Roman Empire was filled with disgusting misogynistic greedy emperors like Caligula who abused his sisters and had incestuous relations with Drusilla and Agrippina. Nero kidnapped a boy from their family and mutilate him and forced to wear a dress because he feel in love with the boy and looked at him like a woman. Tiberius masturbated to people getting tortured.

It's very common for misogynistic men to blame all the problems of the world on women. Back when men out preformed women in education they said it was because women are "stupid", "less logical", "more emotional" and "bad at math's". Now that women are outperforming men and they are allowed to have careers and don't need to marry a man to maintain a career the insecure misogynist like Tim Pool feel threaten and can't accept women are graduating more than men. They claim that it's due to western standard falling apart and feminism. But before they would just chalk it up to women being "stupid" when women were the ones who were less successful. When an intelligent woman talks about to a man she is called "bossy" "bitchy" and "badgering"

Women are doing better in life romantically and financially and it makes a lot of men feel insecure because they know they are not the prize. So I think women are the prize. They don't turn 30 years and old and lonely like men. There are still women who are beautiful and can still attract a man in there 30s. It's the men who hold to these misogynistic gender norms that end up falling because they promote people like Andrew Tate who is anti-intellectual and tells men not to go to college and not to improve themselves intellectual, so those men up becoming stagnant and bitter and lonely incel and they're mad at guys who can get laid and women because women are in a happy relationship and successful.

[desperatelyhungry]

I was alarmed how much sexism, especially in my what sucks about being a man thread, was being spewed. I can’t say I’m surprised, and I know there’s no point arguing with the brainwashed men that believe what they believe. But let me tell
You, your answer is a breath of fresh air

[Opinion Owner]

It's not anti-male, though, but a lot of red-pill men would look at it like that. There are some men like Richard Reeves who want to improve men's education and teach them to be more emotional, but they get overshadowed by people like Andrew Tate, who exploit men and women. He promotes all these gender stereotypes that ultimately cause harm to men and women. He promotes women staying at home and being fully depended on him because he believes women are only good for taking care of kids and that's it. And that's the reason why so many father walk out on their kids because they believe it's the woman's job and they shouldn't be responsible for their child emotional well being that the man is only supposed to make money have nothing to do with the child.

And then the same red-pill guys who promote the idea that women are "less capable" complain when it effects their social class. For example they complain about men getting longer sentences than women, but they state that women are less capable of causing harm and are more nurturing and less logical, so the judge gives them a shorter sentences. And in family court they give the woman the child. And women don't feel comfortable approaching them because women are told men are the ones who are supposed to lead socially. The traditional gander norms cause more harm than good for both genders.

But again they are brained washed by people like Andrew Tate and women haters. So they can't see how women's rights can benefit them. So instead the Incel guys want to promote state mandated girlfriends for men which sick and wrong. They want to control women and force them to be with them which is bad. If we can teach men to be more emotional they would more friends and be less lonely.

[Opinion Owner]

As you can see the gender norms effect men negatively and it effects women too. Like when a guy says to his male friend he looks good they take as flirting because the male compliments are seen as flirting. But when a woman compliments another woman and calls her pretty it's seen as normal. Women being more social and having diverse roles is promoted and that's why more women have a better quality of life than men. Only guys like Richard Reeves are trying to deradicalize them, but people like that get overshadow for the more popular women haters like Andrew Tate, sadly.

[Joshydavid25]

You should look up something called the "Women-are-wonderful effect".. It seems to be hitting hard in this answer..

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Joshydavid25

And then they are shocked at the sudden growth of movements like the MGTOW. Be more anti-male, I say, that will help, for sure.

Oh, and just to make a point... Please allow me to mention a certain Amber lots of people have Heard about recently. She's downright evil, in a truly devilish fashion. That would be it for women being kinder and more compassionate than men.

[aceleon]

@CalmUntilAbused don't take him seriously guys i see him before, he is always anonymous and always goes with education bullshit and believes man should become housewives instead of woman, the reason of his anonymousness is much likely because he knows he says some dumb shit and will get treated accordingly.

[musclesimp]

There is a conspiracy theory about all evil dictators being secretly transgenders.
That Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Vladimir Putin, Viktor Orbán, Kim Jung Un, Joseph Stalin and soon to be dictator in 2024 Donald Trump are all hiding their vaginas and their wifebands are men with wigs.

[MysteriousDarkness]

@musclesimp I never ablut this so called conspiracy theory.

[aceleon]

this generation who is full of weaklings and pathetic excuses for mens are the result of the guys who saw womans as prize and ignoring their own value out of desperation.

if you see woman as a prize you are doomed to fail, either be dumped, cheated or live with a burden who also constantly nags or complains, has little to no respect towards you and most likely thinks herself higher then you let alone equal.

man are the prize but this generations idiots are too weak to see that, they are either brainwashed with all the feminism crap or they are too horny to put themselves any real value.

[CalmUntilAbused]

Oh... If only it was this simple.

First, if they are brainwashed... It only means they were not strong enough, but few are strong enough to resist this kind of brainwashing as a child. It's not that they are weaklings or pathetic excuses for men, it's that they've been damaged beyond repair in their most vulnerable times. It works both ways. Brainwash a young girl into believing that she was born to be subservient to men (and add a few demeaning remarks about her appearance, for a good measure) and she will grow up to be such a sorry doormat that You will take pity on her Yourself. To break free from this sorry state in adulthood means going one's own way... and that is hurtful in its own way.

The way I see it, either none are the prize (as neither are objects to be taken) or both are the prize (as they both hold their own value - if a given person holds any value at all). I am more inclined to see the woman I could marry as a partner, though. Not a doormat, not an object. We shall have differing duties to fulfill for our own, each other's and humanity's sake.

[blueonblack22]

@aceleon I agree with what you said. But @CalmUntilAbused is right as well. But to be fair a lot do these guys are getting brainwashed from a young age.

It’s not easy for a guy to immediately change his behavior when blue pill bullshit has been pounded into his head since child hood. Just telling him to “man up” and “grow a pair” like it will magically make him change everything is a bullshit mental shortcut.

You need to give guys STEPS and meaningful advice on how to improve. Also it’s not nor ever will be an overnight process.

I am also seeing guys going to far in the opposite direction now. Being bitter and paranoid. It’s understandable to a certain extent given the times we are living in. But still getting a constant bad attitude towards women isn’t going to make things better either. Men need to be CAUTIOUSLY optimistic.

All in all I think it’s more on women nowadays to come to a brutal realization that modern feminism is ultimately making them very unhappy. It sucks because guys are the first to suffer during this process. But we got to be tough without growing callous. Not easy.

[aceleon]

@blueonblack22 well even if i agree with you and him the problem is i'm not a patient person, i never was and probably will never be, i do understand this is the result of blue-pill grooming from young age but my problem here is not their wrong grooming but just like they don't realize the world around him they also live in a denial and tries to demean you by treating you like a monster or a disease, it just like a mouse trying to roar at a lion, i can't even handle a normal guy challenging me or talking down to me and when a pathetic loser like this tries to do the same i start seeing red.
i meet woman here and there who thinks like me and agrees with my points, but i became too jaded that even when womans agree with me let alone other dudes, it leaves me with a weird feeling cuz i'm too used to arguing and being on the opposite things with people, i'm used to fighting people who are against me too much that when they agree with me and stand by me, my brain can't compherend this
(having ocd doesn't help either)(not about this but ocd stucks to everything it can find even when you are eating a burger and it stucks to it like ''would it be better if i had pizza'' and then you are stuck)

[blueonblack22]

@aceleon you know I have severe ADHD myself. I sometimes act weird or unpredictable. But I can look back and recognize that I was acting out of line. I don’t let me mental condition dictate my behavior or justify it. I know I’m still accountable one way or another for my actions/words.

Anyway if you don’t have patience given your condition/background fine just ignore guys who annoy you. Also I’m NOT letting incles, burnouts, etc off the hook. They DO need to get their shit together. But the problem is a lot of them have NO idea where to even start. And just telling them to quit being a pussy or something isn’t going to magically change their life. You wouldn’t be the first person to tell them that either. Rather it should be “that girl is ignoring you? Being flaky? Well that’s a HER problem not a you problem. Have self respect and just cut the bitch off and find someone else who does respect your time. Your time and effort is valuable so don’t waste it on someone who doesn’t deserve it.” You see the difference there? You motivated the guy by telling him he IS valuable and needs to respect himself vs. throwing out an insult/label which accomplishes nothing (probably make it’s worse)

But if you don’t know what to say or have no patience then it’s best not to say anything at all. But you got to accept some guys have different upbringings and it’s fucked them up. Doesn’t mean they should stay that way. Hell no. But most people take mental short cuts i. e. tell them it’s okay (wrong) or tell them to quit being a pussy (also wrong).

[aceleon]

@blueonblack22 do you think i didn't do the things you say? i always tell them value yourself and respect yourself more and don't fuck yourself over a dumb bitch but this guys are either too emotionally gone or too desperate or too coward, so i gave up on them.
also i don't hold my ocd accountable for anything i say or do, it is still me, i just accept what i am, i am an impatient asshole with a short temper and can't handle incompetency or lack of awareness from other people, this is me not my ocd and i know and OWN that, i'm probably one of the most blunt and self aware and acceptant person you will ever meet ican give at least that much to me, i never make excuses for my behavior or hide behind anything i straight up own who i am and what i did, hell if i'm the guy who will admit cheating without a care instead of trying to hide it, i'm the guy who will say i hate your useless friends or family or your shitty attitude, i live with low to zero tolerance even to myself.

[blueonblack22]

@aceleon congrats man. I dunno if you were born that way and/or it was genetics congrats. Tbh I’m envious.

But just don’t be the type that can dish it out and can’t take it. You will have people be the same way to you.

I’ve met some self avowed “assholes” who act all tough but turn into crybabies/victims when the gun gets turned on them. Not saying you are like that all. Maybe you can take it just fine. But just saying what you put out there will come back at you at some point. You better be ready to be on the receiving end of that.

[blueonblack22]

Also just FYI some people will grow tone deaf to assholes. They conclude that the other guy/girl is just a bully and gets off at being mean to them (even if the asshole is really trying to help them).

However when a other patient/decent person loses their temper or harshly criticized me I usually listen to them much more intently. Because i know they aren’t acting that way because they enjoy it and their criticism is likely very true. I will take that more seriously.

Just be aware that some people will tune you out and not listen once they conclude you are truly an asshole. Including in instances were you are totally right and trying to help them. You got to consider that.

[aceleon]

@blueonblack22 i was, several times, how come do you think i became this jaded that i forgot feeling good and comfortable when people arenot against me and instead with me?

[blueonblack22]

I can relate to how you feel. I’ve had to draw the line with a lot of people in the last few years. I’m typically a peace maker and just want everybody to get a long. But when people cross a certain line me I am completely finished with them. No going back. I will cut them off and not look back. That’s not how I used to be years ago but it’s how I am now.

So I can relate on that.

[Asad1ONE1]

Well you can't only blame men. Just look at the poll results from narcissistic women.

[aceleon]

@Asad1ONE1 oh no i don't blame man, i blame woman who grooms them to be this way.

[1ash-Silver]

I don't like viewing people as prizes. I think it can be disrespectful just to hear it coming from someone , if I was told that I am a prize it would make me assume that whoever said it thinks that they got me and that I am something that you can just get like that. I have a lot of wonderful women in my life but calling them a prize wouldn't sit right with me. Men that are good should not be compared to Women that are good.

I believe that men and women play vital roles in this world. We need each other or else we'll be miserable at best.

[desperatelyhungry]

I see people talk about this topic a lot on tiktik. When the guys say how they think girls/ the girl they’re with is a prize so he would do his best to get her to be with him and stay with him, I think that is so sweet. I never viewed it as derogatory or bad, but to each their Jen

[1ash-Silver]

I would do everything in my power to secure my future woman when I meet her, in truth I speak a lot about it to my sister. I understand why it can be tough for some men to go so far for women. I loved a girl once , 2019 , I fell deeper and deeper for her each time I saw her but she basically loved how it boosted her image because of how much more popular I am than her and when she got enough from me she treated me like trash then meanwhile she did the same to my friend, I never dated her tho. I never approached a girl after that, I attract a lot of women but I think I don't trust that they love me. I don't think it's derogatory in general , I just think as a man it would not sit right with me for a woman to say it to me. I don't think Adam would've disobeyed God if Eve didn't feel like his greatest blessing to him, Adam loved Eve so much that realizing she was going to die he ate of the forbidden fruit knowing that he would not see a life without his wonderwall 🙃, so he decided might as well die and that is exactly how wonderful women are in the eyes of good men. He did not die that time though 😂😂😂 anyway I will end telling the whole story so I'll just stop.

[hahahmm]

The one who stands to lose the most in divorce. 90% of divorces are started by the woman. It's simple math although some of you try to complicate things by claiming objectivity doesn't have a role (unless it benefits women, of course). But going back to my first statement, it also follows that the more traditional the man, and the more traditional the relationship: the more valuable the man is.

Women have value too but that value is all in a man's head. While most of a man's value is actually in the real world. So they both have value but for very different reasons.

[getwiththepg]

Cool Dr. Manhattan avi by the way but yeah I’ll never rush myself into getting married & having kids the way society has tricked men into believing that they have to.

[hahahmm]

@getwiththepg Marrying the wrong woman would be worse than death.. so if there aren't any good women available to you then you would be wise to ignore/avoid them. I've also told guys to focus on building their life up first before even thinking of women. Only when a guy has built up his own confidence based on struggles/achievements should he approach women. Otherwise he'd be too likely to "give away the farm" for nothing. When he really understands his value he makes better decisions. In your case, you already understand your value better so you see the danger.

[wolfcat87]

There would be no men of value without women birthing and raising them. So, men are nothing without women.

[hahahmm]

Actually... a woman gives birth to a baby. And women do not raise men, generally speaking which is why 80% of the guys in prison come from single mom homes. A boy can only be turned into a true man by a strong male leader type. May explain why so many soft feminine boys are running around today. And HA HA HA.. no women don't give value to men. if that were true then you women wouldn't be so hooked on marrying & dating up to gain more social status and finances. You would just behave the same way a Madonna, or Cher do.. or the ex wife of Jeff Bezos. You would buy loser guys who pretend to be into you. But you probably don't get what I'm saying if you bought into the lie that men & women are "equal".

[smne35]

You both are to each other, when you start to elevate one over the other, might as well start going your separate way, when two people come together in love it's equal, had to be for it to be successful, treat each other with mutual respect and realize that both of you together is twice as strong and not see yourselves or feel as, he or she is lucky to have a catch like me, that's self centered to think that way, instead consider yourself fortunate that you both found each other and think highly enough of each other to develop and build a loving relationship, you can't elevate yourself over your partner that's not love but kind of shallow in my view so your both the prize equally,

[Angelo75]

Regretfully, according to "the media" and "social media" which mainly is the thing that people blindly follows nowadays, a relationship is based on either "getting a status" nowadays.
This while it's supposed to be about just "giving to the one you love".
And ofcourse both parties should be focussed on "giving" to the one they love.

So in fact it's "the relationship" that is supposed to be the price.
"Being in something beautiful" is supposed to be the price.

Not what either party gets out of it.

[systemsareyo]

I said me (as a man) because the amount of women who have no courage to ask a man out or to flirt with a man, you know, I'm glad I've stayed single and even if a chick looks my way or stares at me, and it's happened countless times: if she ain't even going to be upfront, I don't bother and I don't make the first move, lol that's my attitude. Lol. It's worked for me so well, that's why I'm glad I'm single. I don't go hat in hand hard and fast to some woman saying "hey you wanna go out" or "hey you're xxx do you wanna exchange numbers" lol. 👀🫢🫠 So I just don't bother lol. The prize is me, a man 😀🥳

[sage2021]

I chose men.

I love to see a man doing manly things around the house or with a car. Like how they can do plumbing under the sinks, fix things, all the stuff I cannot do.
And I love how they love me, that is the one's that stick around long enough to get to know me.
.

[Asad1ONE1]

Lol found the femcel 🤡

[sage2021]

@Asad1ONE1
Please explain what you are trying to say I am.
You see, I don't go on social media like you must and grab onto all of the latest categories are put in.
Just because I like men I am an femcel? Duh! No, I don't hate men and I am not a lesbian.
I'd like to know what category you put yourself in! Since you are trying to demonize human beings and give them a category instead.
I guess you took offense because you don't know how to do the manly things a man should learn to do.

[sage2021]

Looking at your profile you don't look like you want to be human and you're supposed be 40?

[Asad1ONE1]

No you sound like you're exploiting men.

[Asad1ONE1]

Those aren't "manly" things those are human things lol you just insulted yourself

[HiveBee]

I think there are only certain individuals who are "prizes" and everyone else is just being settled for.

The "prizes" among men are much more rare than among women. I think most men are satisfied to settle with their average woman.

But I think women are not happy when they settle, and most are settling.

So the men who are the prize are much more rare so in that sense I think the ideal man is much more valuable than the ideal woman.

[Biancam13]

Both parties are always the prize. Both are equal in value and worth. In fact, I find this notion of "the prize" in any relationship to be about ego and stupid mind games. Like we want to have the upper hand so that we don't get hurt by the other person. But it shouldn't be about that. We don't have the concept of "the prize" in friendships, so why should we have it in romantic relationships?

[Asad1ONE1]

Unfortunately members of your gender make it hard to trust any of your kind, all to evident by the polls LOL

🤡🤡

[Lionman95]

I think everybody should see themselves as the prize to gain and ask themselves the question. Would I be happy if I got that prize? Live life depending on your answer is the yes than things are great is it no then work for it to be a yes.
I don´t see much of a benefit to say one sex is the prize since it only develops entitlement and leads to the problems being overlooked or a wrong view on the process of finding a partner.

[RingOfFire]

Women are the prize. For women, men are a dime a dozen. They can have one any time they want (maybe not the one they really want, but some man).

Men, on the other hand need to work at it if they want a women because women (especially the more desirable ones) are a lot less desperate.

[PeachyPie93]

Neither is the prize.
Both could be a prize if they are great people and know how to treat one and other. But more often than not people are crap and not worth the time or effort.

[MysteriousDarkness]

Both are the prize or neither are the prize. If person A is the prize then person B has to do the work to try to win them like they are a medal, trophy, plaque etc. We are different from other animals and for that the guy shounot do all the work.

[Altheavas]

Both can be the Prize,


However Behold and bow down to your Queen, in my World I am the Mtfkg PRIZE! 🏆

[JHAYES317]

As long as your world is confined to your imagination lol

[Altheavas]

😂😂😂
I better be his 🏆.

[JHAYES317]

Better find a sugar daddy then lol

[Altheavas]

My type of sugar daddy…! well is a little hard to find. He needs to own his private jets…! Cough (2x).
I need to have properties paid in full as gifts for every celebration. I need to be pampered, a lot. He doesn’t have to be there 24/7, 365 days a year, just 3 to 5 out of the year, I understand he is busy 🫣!

[JHAYES317]

Good luck with that lol 👍

[Altheavas]

Thanks I need all good luck possible coming my way. Please multiply that by a couple millions. 😂😂😎

[JHAYES317]

Just be really pretty and have a banging bod, and be under 25 and then Leo DiCaprio will snatch you up lol

[Altheavas]

😭😭😭

[Kelly6]

@Altheavas I can understand that hehe

[sawno]

Voted men in the poll just because in society its easier to get a man to have sex with you than it is to get him to be loyal. But in reality if the relationship is well balanced both partners consider their partner to be the prize.

[LazerBean]

A husband and wife should prize eachother. If they don't, the relationship is an inevitable failure.